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Bill Maher on obesity (3 Viewers)
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GoBirds
Footballguy
Sand
Footballguy
Its almost the exact make makeup of sucrose and fructose, so the answer it it isn't any different.
Sand
Footballguy
sho nuff
Footballguy
Caveman33
Footballguy
Agreed. I grew up on healthy food and while I still had a sweet tooth, that seems to have faded in adulthood. It's not weight concerns that make me prefer healthy food. I just don't find fast food to taste good. I enjoy real burgers but not whatever is currently being served at McDonalds. And I have the opposite problem of most overweight people. I have been counting calories these last few months and was hitting 5,000 most days. Gained a little muscle and some belly fat but that's quickly burning away now that my food source has become restricted and I'm only getting 3,500 a day. I can sympathize with the slow metabolism people but I would still prefer that over a fast metabolism.
Caveman33
Footballguy
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angus_Barbieri's_fast
The story of Angus Barbieri is interesting.
The story of Angus Barbieri is interesting.
Apparently, he went from 465 pounds to 185. I've read that complete fasting can be better for the body than restricting calories. The idea was something like when you cut calories, your body will continue to consume glucose and muscle, whereas after a couple days of 0 calories you will enter ketosis and burn fat.
AAABatteries
Footballguy
AAABatteries
Footballguy
As the ***Official 2017 FatGuys Weight Loss Winner*** I feel qualified to answer this. He’s right.
Terminalxylem
Footballguy
While I agree we’ve collectively embraced comfort (and convenience) too much, it’s easy to adapt to suffering. The tougher part is avoiding excess unhealthy food and drink, and social pressure to indulge.
Terminalxylem
Footballguy
This 100%. But people wanna dig their heels in, and insist they can’t do without all the unhealthy stuff, before they even try the alternatives.
Terminalxylem
Footballguy
There is definitely something wrong with salt. It won’t make you fat, but it’s a big contributor to high blood pressure.
Terminalxylem
Footballguy
Terminalxylem
Footballguy
I bet if you asked FBG what constitutes a healthy diet, you’d get a bunch of different answers. While everybody knows fruits/veggies are good and heavily processed foods are bad, nutrition advice is all over the map for most everything else.
BladeRunner
Footballguy
If there is one thing we can all agree on, it's that Twinkies fulfill all FIVE food groups at once.
We know this because in 5000 years when archeologist unearth our current civilization, the box of Twinkies form today will still be there to tell them the story.
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The Z Machine
Footballguy
Not sure or was mentioned later (haven't read the rest of the thread) but tobacco use was way higher back then. The nicotine can curb hunger, raise metabolism, and gives people something to put in their mouths besides food.
I'm not saying that tobacco use is good for you or that the overall health outcomes were better, but I bet it was a contributing factor to people being thinner.
I talked to a (former) professional ballerina a while back and she said that they had to stay soooo skinny to remain in the company. They did it with "the three Cs: diet coke, cigarettes, and cocaine." None of those contain calories and they can take your mind off of food.
We'll disagree there.
I wrote, "In other words, he was uncomfortable a good bit of the time. And we don't do that well."
I stand by that completely.
Some folks obviously adapt to suffering. But I'd never call adapting to suffering "easy".
Especially when it's self induced without immediate payback. And when it's super easy to stop the uncomfortableness.
I advocate taking a mindfulness approach to eating. That starts with deciding what to buy in the grocery store and in restaurants, and ends with deciding what to put in your mouth. After coming home from a hard days work, I enjoy the food prep, like cutting onions, zucchini, garlic, mushrooms, chinese eggplant, etc, and mixing in some protein. Add some hotsauce ( @Hot Sauce Guy has some great ones) or condiments or sauce to your taste. Carbs could include a slice of bread, right portions of pasta, rice, gnocchi. In this approach, you need to slow down, think, make a decision. Easier said than done, and no magic bullet.
Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
6-0 210 is a good weight if is it muscle. I am 6-1 212, but my pant size is 32-34. In my 20s I was lifting 6 days a week I weighed 225 and my pant size was 36-34. I was still eating good food just too much. I could eat 2-3 big chicken breasts at a sitting, now I have one.
Used to eat a 16oz steak, now if I eat steak it will be a 6oz sirloin with extra veggies instead of a loaded baked. Most of the time my wife and I split meals now with an extra salad when we go out to eat.
I like beer but only any kind of Lite beer now, no more 160-180 calorie craft beers.
Also little things add up, I used to use cream in my coffee everyday that added up to almost 100 calories a day. Does not seem like much but that is 3000 a month. Cut that out alone and that is a LB a month, 12 lbs a year in caloric intake.
Took a couple weeks to adjust but have not used anything in my coffee for 10 years now.
The biggest key though is prep. Every Sunday I go to the produce store and buy enough for the week. Take 30 minutes when I get home to wash everything. Cut up what is needed, and have everything ready to eat. When it sits in a plastic bag not ready to eat, I don`t eat it and end up throwing it away.
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Sand
Footballguy
Terminalxylem
Footballguy
supermike80
Footballguy
Hard to weigh in here because I consider myself pretty lucky. I can eat what I want when I want and have generally stayed in decent shape. I feel for those that can't.
I also agree completely with the concept that controlling portion size is a good first step.
I also agree completely with the concept that controlling portion size is a good first step.
Terminalxylem
Footballguy
And while there certainly are musclebound 6 foot guys who weight 210, that doesn’t describe most of the population, especially middle aged dudes in the FBG demographic. The upper end of a healthy weight for them is more like ~180. If you go by BMI, the range is 137-183.
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BladeRunner
Footballguy
^^^ THIS ^^^
I was shoveling so much crap down my gullet that just going to NORMAL eating for my size has caused me to lose 20lbs in the last couple months. I'm talking eating damn near every chance I could get - I bet I was pounding down about 2100-3100 calories a day and I don't work out. Once I started examine my relationship with food I realized that I was eating way oversized portions and ALL of the time (morning, noon and night). Just doing that alone has caused me to drop this weight. I'm sticking to around 1400-1700 calories a day. If you sat and did nothing all day, your body will burn about 1800 calories alone so I figured if I stick under that for starters I would be on a path to better weight and health.
Is it easy for me to do that? No and some days I stumble but it's getting a bit easier every day to stick to a normal intake. Of course, being 6'3" I'm able to distribute the weight easier than you shorter guys so I don't necessarily look morbidly obese, but I'm definitely not at my fighting weight of 200lb that I used to be at. 40lbs to go and then I'll be able to fight every single one of ya'!
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Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
The BMI takes the average person who has very little muscle mass. I am 6-1 212 and have visible abs. There is no way I could lose 20lbs.
Basically every pro athlete would be obese by BMI index.
IvanKaramazov
Footballguy
Yep. All it takes is a single trip to a grocery store, movie theater, bar, or anyplace else where people gather to see that the modal US adult is not carved out of granite like a middle linebacker. Most guys who are 6' flat and 200+ are probably carrying around some extra weight that they could do without.
I mean, of course Joe is probably carved out granite. He's an FBG after all.
Drunken Cowboy
Footballguy
Eating less food is not a path to successful dieting. It can bo done, but if you are constantly hungry, most people are not going to stick with it. Eat more vegetables is really the way to go.
Juxtatarot
Footballguy
I’m slowly shifting to a more legume heavy diet. I think people would have a lot of success that way too.
https://www.myhealthblog.org/2008/08/21/slankers-grass-fed-meats-the-real-diet-of-man-is-very-simple/
The true diet of man is incredibly simple. It does not involve calorie counting, fat measuring, and portion control. There is no such thing as different foods for young people, pregnant women, middle aged people, and old people. There’s absolutely no variation for blood type, sex, skin color, hair color, tall people, short people, hard working people, couch potatoes, or one’s location. And the diet is the same for healthy people as it is for people burdened with chronic diseases such as cancer, heart disease, diabetes, arthritis, lupus, asthma, allergies, obesity, mental disorders, and on and on.
Anthropologists tell us that about 60% of early man’s food was meat – and it was only grass-fed meat (meat from animals never fed grain). Meat was followed by vegetables (for instance spinach, kale, collards, beet greens, romaine lettuce, etc. followed by broccoli, brussel sprouts, cabbage, etc.). Then, since they were seasonal, in very minor amounts there were some nuts and tart fruits (such as tomatoes, squash, berries, small apples, and the tiny wild fruits such as persimmons and wild plums we sometimes find when hiking in the woods). Sure, at times man also lucked out and had some honey.
As for dairy, well modern man is the only beast on earth that figures he needs milk past weaning. In fact, dairy is one of man’s most recent agricultural inventions. So all of this nonsense about drinking milk for strong bones and teeth is mythology. It really doesn’t matter if milk is raw or not. It’s flat out unnecessary post weaning. To make matters worse, nearly all diary products available today are from grain-fed cows and goats.
Stealthycat
Footballguy
obesity is a massive problem in the USA
IMO HFCS should be banned first off and certain colorings too maybe
did you know
Two hundred years ago, the average American ate only 2 pounds of sugar a year. In 1970, we ate 123 pounds of sugar per year. Today, the average American consumes almost 152 pounds of sugar in one year. This is equal to 3 pounds (or 6 cups) of sugar consumed in one week!
National Estimated Costs of Obesity
Annual nationwide productivity costs of obesity-related absenteeism range between $3.38 billion ($79 per obese individual) and $6.38 billion ($132 per individual with obesity).Mar 22, 2021
Conclusions The estimated number of annual deaths attributable to obesity among US adults is approximately 280,000 based on HRs from all subjects and 325,000 based on HRs from only nonsmokers and never-smokers.
IMO HFCS should be banned first off and certain colorings too maybe
did you know
Two hundred years ago, the average American ate only 2 pounds of sugar a year. In 1970, we ate 123 pounds of sugar per year. Today, the average American consumes almost 152 pounds of sugar in one year. This is equal to 3 pounds (or 6 cups) of sugar consumed in one week!
National Estimated Costs of Obesity
Annual nationwide productivity costs of obesity-related absenteeism range between $3.38 billion ($79 per obese individual) and $6.38 billion ($132 per individual with obesity).Mar 22, 2021
Conclusions The estimated number of annual deaths attributable to obesity among US adults is approximately 280,000 based on HRs from all subjects and 325,000 based on HRs from only nonsmokers and never-smokers.
Stealthycat
Footballguy
Sand
Footballguy
sychiatrist voice: It's OK to be wrong : /psychiatrist voice:. 
Seriously, in our 24/7 on-duty all the time world the persistent stress levels are not what humans are built for - and I do think it's a modern phenomena.
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the moops
Footballguy
Yea, we are talking about the average person. Not you or professional athletes. The average person who is 6-1 and 210 is overweight.
Jayrod
Footballguy
I'm a little late to the party here, but physical health is a complex concept. What makes someone healthy includes a myriad of factors like body fat, muscle mass, genetics, hormones, cholesterol levels, hydration, activity levels, etc. Diet is a major factor as is exercise, but other things like sleep patterns, hydration and stress levels effect us more than we realize.
My wife is one of the biggest "health nuts" I know. She was a cross-country runner in college and injured her knees to the point that she has had 4 knee surgeries (3 on one, 1 on the other). Her ability to continue to do what she loves (run) at 44 yrs old requires her to be in near perfect condition or her knees hurt too much. At the same time, I have been climbing the ladder in college football officiating, where fitness is a major factor in evaluations and opportunities and our children are teenagers and active in competitive sports. Long story short, our lives are inundated with motivational factors for us to focus on health and fitness as a family so it is a big part of what we do and I've learned a ton over the last 5+ years.
Here are the biggest benefits to our health that I've found in that time and some things that are universally beneficial:
On the flip side, one thing I think has been a mistake in health circles is the Keto or other meat heavy diets. They are a short-term solution with long-term negative effects. Had a friend with diabetes that had been eating this way for years and it nearly killed him. He has gone to a plant based diet and seen a dramatic recovery in a few months. I don't want to go full plant based (my wife basically has) and don't need to for any reason, but for certain people needing extreme help, it is life changing/saving.
My wife is one of the biggest "health nuts" I know. She was a cross-country runner in college and injured her knees to the point that she has had 4 knee surgeries (3 on one, 1 on the other). Her ability to continue to do what she loves (run) at 44 yrs old requires her to be in near perfect condition or her knees hurt too much. At the same time, I have been climbing the ladder in college football officiating, where fitness is a major factor in evaluations and opportunities and our children are teenagers and active in competitive sports. Long story short, our lives are inundated with motivational factors for us to focus on health and fitness as a family so it is a big part of what we do and I've learned a ton over the last 5+ years.
Here are the biggest benefits to our health that I've found in that time and some things that are universally beneficial:
- Vegetables, vegetables, vegetables. You want to get healthier overall? Eat more of them and less of everything else. Season with light salt, pepper, garlic, onion, etc. so you can eat handle the flavor. I still use Italian dressing and cheese on salads and still add a bit of butter when cooking, but the more veggies you consume the healthier you will be across the board. Even starchy vegetables like corn and potatoes (in moderation) can be better than loading up on bread. Some great ones that are still good are spinach, peppers, onion, broccoli, sweet potatoes and carrots. Lettuce is OK, but just basically a filler. Frying them in oil or butter (especially breaded) is fine on occasion, but shouldn't be a regular thing.
- Drink more water. A gallon a day is a lot, but a worthy and doable target. Good rule of thumb is half your body weight in ounces. It will help every single system in your body work better and will keep you from eating as many snacks. You will feel better and have fewer headaches, body aches and joint and muscle pain across the board. Naturally as you drink more water, you will drink less of other less-healthy things.
- Strength training. Not just exercise, but build muscle as muscle burns more calories and has a cumulative and longer lasting effect than cardio alone (plus it looks better than just being thin). Obviously, weight lifting is the best way to do this, but even body weight exercises like squats, lunges, push ups and sit ups can do wonders beyond simple walking or biking cardio-type exercises. As you get older, lower weight and higher rep work is probably better (as joints can be a problem from 40+). Honestly, you can spend less time at the gym and get greater results than just doing cardio and way too many people ignore it completely in their exercise routine.
- Fasting. This is something my wife and I have recently discovered and while I've always done fasting for religious reasons, the health benefits are undeniable. The Middle East is as obese as the US, but has far lower heart attack and diabetes numbers. The reason? Ramadan fasting. Intermittent fasting is a "new" health phase that is as old as time and harkens back to our hunter gatherer days when we just simply didn't have food available all the time until it was picked or killed. In the last few years, any time I feel like I'm in a rut or having some sort of health issue, I will do a 24-72 hour fast of water only and it clears my issues up more often than not. The vast majority of us can benefit a great deal from limiting our food intake completely for longer periods of time. I'd recommend reading up on it, but the benefits of intermittent fasting are enormous and the downside is almost nil (outside of short-term discomfort during detox and general mood swings during the fast).
On the flip side, one thing I think has been a mistake in health circles is the Keto or other meat heavy diets. They are a short-term solution with long-term negative effects. Had a friend with diabetes that had been eating this way for years and it nearly killed him. He has gone to a plant based diet and seen a dramatic recovery in a few months. I don't want to go full plant based (my wife basically has) and don't need to for any reason, but for certain people needing extreme help, it is life changing/saving.
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Lehigh98
Footballguy
I agree with this. When I get into a habit of restricting calories and eating the right things its alot easier when its actually a habit, doing the same or similar things each week. Then I can take sucking it up and grinding it out. What gets me into trouble is when I go off plan, usually with work travel, and indulge because I'm travelling with someone and have a few beers or feel like I have to try out new places and foods everywhere I go.
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shader
Footballguy
Not at all. Diet soda has zero calories and it doesn't raise blood sugar. There are countless examples of people that drink diet sodas and lose weight.
I personally chugged them when I was in the middle of my journey to lose 50.
Do they increase cravings? I mean, who the heck knows. But cravings don't cause you to gain weight either. Diet soda doesn't make me hungry or make me want to snack. Many times, it's the "vice" that gets me through a couple hours.
Of course maybe they cause alzheimers/cancer or a host of other issues - but they don't contribute to the obesity issue. Regular soda does, however (obviously)
shader
Footballguy
This is true because it's about calories in v calories out. To lose weight at 1200-1500 calories a day is an awful and unsustainable thing for many people. Especially in our culture with so many temptations.
The key for me was walking. I walked so much that I could eat 2000-2500 calories a day and still shed weight. That allowed me to eat enough to not feel like I was starving, and even to cheat from time to time.
Lehigh98
Footballguy
Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
I understand, when I went to the doctor he is a little guy and he said I should weigh 185 tops.
Even though I weigh 212 I look much lighter. They need to take into account body fat % and muscle mass % for it to be more accurate. Not just look at a chart.
Jayrod
Footballguy
It's not easy (hence the name). Actually took me around 90-days as I got sick 2-weeks in the first time and couldn't do 2 workouts a day. Lost like 25 lbs in that time and was in tremendous shape afterwards, but it is unsustainable for the long-term.
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Drunken Cowboy
Footballguy
What prehistoric man ate has no relevance to the most healthy diet.
Grass ded beef is not significantly different chemically to grain fed.
your point #2 is ignorant
there is no hope for you if you think grass fed beef is the sane as grain fed, chemically enhanced, anitbiotic infused "meat"
Jayrod
Footballguy
Stealthycat
Footballguy
think of how many diet soda drinkers you see ... how many are obese ? almost all of them ?
its not a coincidence IMO, artificial sugar isn't good for a body
Caveman33
Footballguy
Objectively, I can't imagine life is more stressful today. But our coping skills (definitely mine) are likely worse than our ancestors, which could lead us to experience more stress. Also, an overall easier life with more safety nets has lead to less selective breeding. It's no longer survival of the fittest.
Captain Cranks
Footballguy
This study only goes back 30 years, but indicates our stress levels are indeed increasing.
ETA - life is so fast paced and full of attention grabbers nowadays that if we went back in time things would seem very slow and boring.
ETA - life is so fast paced and full of attention grabbers nowadays that if we went back in time things would seem very slow and boring.
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Juxtatarot
Footballguy
Nobody is arguing that cravings cause weight gain on their own. It what cravings can lead to. It’s indirect.
