I'm betting on Oats weighing in at a svelte 210 come memorial day. I may join you in this nutrition adventure!
My wife and I have a Miami beach vacation planned just the two of us in the end of March. She's already looking fantastic, and will continue to work on it so I don't feel so alone in this quest. Me? Well, I have a lot of work to do in about 7 weeks. 
This stuff any good? Looks terrible.mix in some shots of wheatgrass and you should be good to go.
I clocked about a thousand calories today. I don't need to track much of anything if I keep this up.give up on my fitness pal already?
The juice costs $75 a day? For organic juice with agave nectar?Kinda pricey

wheatgrass is absolutely disgusting.next time you mow the lawn eat those trimmings and you'll know what it tastes like.This stuff any good? Looks terrible.mix in some shots of wheatgrass and you should be good to go.
Mooooooooowheatgrass is absolutely disgusting.next time you mow the lawn eat those trimmings and you'll know what it tastes like.This stuff any good? Looks terrible.mix in some shots of wheatgrass and you should be good to go.
Studs will give Oatis teh juice for less than that.can you do this juice thing with random juice from the supermarket, or does it only work with the $75 juice?
I've watched this. Seems like it would take a ton of discipline to get past the first week or so. But definitely won't hurt him. Go for it O. Maybe go for a week instead of just 3 days.I recommend watching the movie Fat, Sick, and Nearly Dead. It chronicles some people who do juice fasts and get pretty amazing results.
It's obviously not meant to be a long-term solution. But in the short term, if it works, it works.
Hard to answer. Since my lowest weight, when I was 22 and really lean, 50 lbs.Since my more normal "adult" weight, more like 30 lbs.I'd love to drop 40 and end up right in the middle, but that's a long ways off.And yes, I've bought new suits and clothes. This past weekend I had to buy a new suit for a wedding. It was a size bigger than all my others. I hope to never wear it again.How much weight have you put on all together? Is it 20 lbs? 40 lbs?Serious question...Did you have to buy new pants?
I will likely head over that way and get reactivated on it next week. I used it with some good results last year, but honestly just searching for and inputting all the food all the time got really tedious. I wish there were an easier way.We have a thread with people using MyFitnessPal with an enormous amount of success stories doing it the old fashioned way, "eat less, exercise more". Why do a fad diet instead of doing what works?
That's absurd sounds like a horrible waste of $It is slightly tedious in the beginning but unless you eat a 1000 different meals, you will find that eventually you rarely have to enter anything outside of choosing a meal you have already entered previously. With in a month I would think you would have 95% of what you typically eat already entered and never have to worry about it.I will likely head over that way and get reactivated on it next week. I used it with some good results last year, but honestly just searching for and inputting all the food all the time got really tedious. I wish there were an easier way.We have a thread with people using MyFitnessPal with an enormous amount of success stories doing it the old fashioned way, "eat less, exercise more". Why do a fad diet instead of doing what works?
Considering that this is a fad diet and not a lifestyle change it really is money thrown down the drain. I am not saying he won't lose weight, he very well might, but the likelihood of it staying off is pretty much nil, IMOTo lose weight and then maintain it, you can't use a diet, you need to have a lifestyle change. It does not have to be dramatic, and just using the simplistic "eat less, exercise more" theory and track what you do is usually enough.$75 a dayThat's absurd sounds like a horrible waste of $
live a little, lady! go with an apple-tini, cosmo or a wine spritzer!My juices get delivered this afternoon.Only hiccup is that I have a client dinner on Thurs night. I can't seriously sit at the table there with a bottle of juice. So I'll need a cheat meal. I'm thinking I can just order a soup for the starter and then have a salad or piece of salmon as the main course, and I'll drink water.
Disagree, if it's weight loss he's after it's simply about calories regardless of source. I drink more High Fructose Corn Syrup every day than many small nations. And I'm 5'11" and 175.6 lbs according to the scale this morning. My wife who has to make actual effort to stay below 130 absolutely detests this.A diet of meats and vegetables isn't space food. If you want to consume that much sugar, you're going to have a bad time regardless of its source.Look, if I can't trust that mashed up fruits and vegetables will get the job done, then I just give up. I'm not eating any of that weird space food you people eat.Looks like these things range from 21g to 45g of sugar per serving, this isn't going to help you much. May as well go on a Coca-Cola diet.
Agreed. You can get a pretty good juicer for like $150 or something. I've often contemplated this when I sometimes think "man, I really should probably add some fruits and vegetables to my diet, how can I do this without actually eating them?"$75 a dayThat's absurd sounds like a horrible waste of $
Salad without dressing should be fine, but in reality a little bit of dressing can go a long way to make it more palatable, and thus more sustainable. I make my own so I know exactly what's in it. Highly recommend doing this.Yesterday:Banana and coffee for breakfastMixed greens and veggies salad (no dressing) and a greek yogurt for lunchpiece of salmon and a bowl of broccoli and almonds for dinner.I was exhausted, and I feel like I am coming down with some kind of cold (likely the result of the past few weeks which involved insane travel and work and left my body really beat up), but I'm sticking it out no matter what.
Of course, and I think O knows this. I have no problem with doing something that's not sustainable for a short period of time to kick things off, help him see some results, and get him even more motivated and fired up. Plus, after eating nothing but juice for a while, salmon and broccoli will look delicious. Fasting isn't sustainable either, but lots of people swear by intermittent fasting. Just because you can't do it forever doesn't mean that it's bad imo.Considering that this is a fad diet and not a lifestyle change it really is money thrown down the drain. I am not saying he won't lose weight, he very well might, but the likelihood of it staying off is pretty much nil, IMOTo lose weight and then maintain it, you can't use a diet, you need to have a lifestyle change. It does not have to be dramatic, and just using the simplistic "eat less, exercise more" theory and track what you do is usually enough.$75 a dayThat's absurd sounds like a horrible waste of $
If this was his first attempt at losing weight I would thoroughly agree with you but he has tried various ways to diet to get around the lifestyle change and as been unhappy with the results. I don't see this being any different IMO. Hopefully I will be wrong.Of course, and I think O knows this. I have no problem with doing something that's not sustainable for a short period of time to kick things off, help him see some results, and get him even more motivated and fired up. Plus, after eating nothing but juice for a while, salmon and broccoli will look delicious. Fasting isn't sustainable either, but lots of people swear by intermittent fasting. Just because you can't do it forever doesn't mean that it's bad imo.Considering that this is a fad diet and not a lifestyle change it really is money thrown down the drain. I am not saying he won't lose weight, he very well might, but the likelihood of it staying off is pretty much nil, IMOTo lose weight and then maintain it, you can't use a diet, you need to have a lifestyle change. It does not have to be dramatic, and just using the simplistic "eat less, exercise more" theory and track what you do is usually enough.$75 a dayThat's absurd sounds like a horrible waste of $
Like he said, Otis is well aware of this. Our goal (and his goal in sharing) is to be entertained by this. My in laws are on some weird diet where they eat like 1200 calories a day or some ridiculous nonsense. Of course it's not going to work long term, but it's funny.If this was his first attempt at losing weight I would thoroughly agree with you but he has tried various ways to diet to get around the lifestyle change and as been unhappy with the results. I don't see this being any different IMO. Hopefully I will be wrong.Of course, and I think O knows this. I have no problem with doing something that's not sustainable for a short period of time to kick things off, help him see some results, and get him even more motivated and fired up. Plus, after eating nothing but juice for a while, salmon and broccoli will look delicious. Fasting isn't sustainable either, but lots of people swear by intermittent fasting. Just because you can't do it forever doesn't mean that it's bad imo.Considering that this is a fad diet and not a lifestyle change it really is money thrown down the drain. I am not saying he won't lose weight, he very well might, but the likelihood of it staying off is pretty much nil, IMOTo lose weight and then maintain it, you can't use a diet, you need to have a lifestyle change. It does not have to be dramatic, and just using the simplistic "eat less, exercise more" theory and track what you do is usually enough.$75 a dayThat's absurd sounds like a horrible waste of $
What are you trying to accomplish by pointing out his past failures? That he should stop trying? I'm pretty sure O knows that a lifestyle change is the only way to un-fat himself, and I'm pretty sure he's just using this as a kickstart. I hope it helps.If this was his first attempt at losing weight I would thoroughly agree with you but he has tried various ways to diet to get around the lifestyle change and as been unhappy with the results. I don't see this being any different IMO. Hopefully I will be wrong.Of course, and I think O knows this. I have no problem with doing something that's not sustainable for a short period of time to kick things off, help him see some results, and get him even more motivated and fired up. Plus, after eating nothing but juice for a while, salmon and broccoli will look delicious. Fasting isn't sustainable either, but lots of people swear by intermittent fasting. Just because you can't do it forever doesn't mean that it's bad imo.Considering that this is a fad diet and not a lifestyle change it really is money thrown down the drain. I am not saying he won't lose weight, he very well might, but the likelihood of it staying off is pretty much nil, IMOTo lose weight and then maintain it, you can't use a diet, you need to have a lifestyle change. It does not have to be dramatic, and just using the simplistic "eat less, exercise more" theory and track what you do is usually enough.$75 a dayThat's absurd sounds like a horrible waste of $

If you mean "how can I add them so I don't really get anything out of these fruits and vegetables but a liquid mess?" Then certainly buy a juicer. The reality is you just don't get the benefit that you would eating them normally.Agreed. You can get a pretty good juicer for like $150 or something. I've often contemplated this when I sometimes think "man, I really should probably add some fruits and vegetables to my diet, how can I do this without actually eating them?"$75 a dayThat's absurd sounds like a horrible waste of $
Interesting. I think the source matters quite a bit in weight loss/gain, at least for me it does. You must not be very insulin resistant. How many grams of sugar do you take in a day?Disagree, if it's weight loss he's after it's simply about calories regardless of source. I drink more High Fructose Corn Syrup every day than many small nations. And I'm 5'11" and 175.6 lbs according to the scale this morning. My wife who has to make actual effort to stay below 130 absolutely detests this.A diet of meats and vegetables isn't space food. If you want to consume that much sugar, you're going to have a bad time regardless of its source.Look, if I can't trust that mashed up fruits and vegetables will get the job done, then I just give up. I'm not eating any of that weird space food you people eat.Looks like these things range from 21g to 45g of sugar per serving, this isn't going to help you much. May as well go on a Coca-Cola diet.
that he should stop trying fad diets is all. I think they just lead to a continual string of disappointments to the point where a person thinks he can never do it and just gives up.A lot of people "know" the right things to do whether it be how to eat, how to exercise, how to manage money etc but sometimes they never follow through.I certainly "knew" that I needed a lifestyle change to lose weight but until I finally landed on the MyFitnessPal thread, I never made the leap."Knowing" and "doing" are two totally separate items IMO.I certainly wish him the best of luck with what ever he does of course.What are you trying to accomplish by pointing out his past failures? That he should stop trying? I'm pretty sure O knows that a lifestyle change is the only way to un-fat himselfIf this was his first attempt at losing weight I would thoroughly agree with you but he has tried various ways to diet to get around the lifestyle change and as been unhappy with the results. I don't see this being any different IMO. Hopefully I will be wrong.Of course, and I think O knows this. I have no problem with doing something that's not sustainable for a short period of time to kick things off, help him see some results, and get him even more motivated and fired up. Plus, after eating nothing but juice for a while, salmon and broccoli will look delicious. Fasting isn't sustainable either, but lots of people swear by intermittent fasting. Just because you can't do it forever doesn't mean that it's bad imo.Considering that this is a fad diet and not a lifestyle change it really is money thrown down the drain. I am not saying he won't lose weight, he very well might, but the likelihood of it staying off is pretty much nil, IMOTo lose weight and then maintain it, you can't use a diet, you need to have a lifestyle change. It does not have to be dramatic, and just using the simplistic "eat less, exercise more" theory and track what you do is usually enough.$75 a dayThat's absurd sounds like a horrible waste of $
How many grams are in a pop? Like 40? If I'm in the mood, I can go through a case in 2 days. So like 480 there? I bring 2 liters into the office and drink the entire thing in a single work shift, then drink more pop when I get home. And I often have other sources of sugar as well. Candy, cookies, all sorts of sugary stuff. I'm actually laying off the pop right now though because I think the caffeine is a problem for me lately. Last time I layed off of pop I settled in about 7 lbs lighter, so 168 is probably more my natural weight. Big thing that works for me I think is that I follow the DrJ diet outlined above. I eat when I'm hungry. Some days that may be as little as once. Other days it might be 4-5 times. I've gone entire days without being hungry if I keep my mind engaged enough.I know this isn't healthy and I'm not prescribing someone to drink obnoxious amounts of pop. Point is, you can lose weight no matter what you eat, it's all about calories. Twinkie diet guy is an excellent example. http://www.cnn.com/2010/HEALTH/11/08/twinkie.diet.professor/index.htmlInteresting. I think the source matters quite a bit in weight loss/gain, at least for me it does. You must not be very insulin resistant. How many grams of sugar do you take in a day?Disagree, if it's weight loss he's after it's simply about calories regardless of source. I drink more High Fructose Corn Syrup every day than many small nations. And I'm 5'11" and 175.6 lbs according to the scale this morning. My wife who has to make actual effort to stay below 130 absolutely detests this.A diet of meats and vegetables isn't space food. If you want to consume that much sugar, you're going to have a bad time regardless of its source.Look, if I can't trust that mashed up fruits and vegetables will get the job done, then I just give up. I'm not eating any of that weird space food you people eat.Looks like these things range from 21g to 45g of sugar per serving, this isn't going to help you much. May as well go on a Coca-Cola diet.
His premise: That in weight loss, pure calorie counting is what matters most -- not the nutritional value of the food.The premise held up: On his "convenience store diet," he shed 27 pounds in two months.For a class project, Haub limited himself to less than 1,800 calories a day. A man of Haub's pre-dieting size usually consumes about 2,600 calories daily. So he followed a basic principle of weight loss: He consumed significantly fewer calories than he burned.His body mass index went from 28.8, considered overweight, to 24.9, which is normal. He now weighs 174 pounds.But you might expect other indicators of health would have suffered. Not so.Haub's "bad" cholesterol, or LDL, dropped 20 percent and his "good" cholesterol, or HDL, increased by 20 percent. He reduced the level of triglycerides, which are a form of fat, by 39 percent."That's where the head scratching comes," Haub said. "What does that mean? Does that mean I'm healthier? Or does it mean how we define health from a biology standpoint, that we're missing something?"
The only eating when your hungry thing is solid advice, I often skip breakfast and lunch because of it. That is an incredible amount of sugar though. Curious of what you think of things like this that suggest the negative health effects of sugar beyond weight:How many grams are in a pop? Like 40? If I'm in the mood, I can go through a case in 2 days. So like 480 there? I bring 2 liters into the office and drink the entire thing in a single work shift, then drink more pop when I get home. And I often have other sources of sugar as well. Candy, cookies, all sorts of sugary stuff. I'm actually laying off the pop right now though because I think the caffeine is a problem for me lately. Last time I layed off of pop I settled in about 7 lbs lighter, so 168 is probably more my natural weight. Big thing that works for me I think is that I follow the DrJ diet outlined above. I eat when I'm hungry. Some days that may be as little as once. Other days it might be 4-5 times. I've gone entire days without being hungry if I keep my mind engaged enough.Interesting. I think the source matters quite a bit in weight loss/gain, at least for me it does. You must not be very insulin resistant. How many grams of sugar do you take in a day?Disagree, if it's weight loss he's after it's simply about calories regardless of source. I drink more High Fructose Corn Syrup every day than many small nations. And I'm 5'11" and 175.6 lbs according to the scale this morning. My wife who has to make actual effort to stay below 130 absolutely detests this.A diet of meats and vegetables isn't space food. If you want to consume that much sugar, you're going to have a bad time regardless of its source.Look, if I can't trust that mashed up fruits and vegetables will get the job done, then I just give up. I'm not eating any of that weird space food you people eat.Looks like these things range from 21g to 45g of sugar per serving, this isn't going to help you much. May as well go on a Coca-Cola diet.
I have no delusions this is healthy. I definitely feel better and have more energy when I switch to water and healthier foods. Is it more unhealthy than a person that is carrying 40-50 extra lbs because they've over consumed "healthy foods"? I don't think anyone actually has the answer to that one. Using the metrics that doctors use, it's very possible I still come out ahead, like Twinkie guy. Does that mean the diet is healthy though, or does it mean their metrics suck? Who knows...The only eating when your hungry thing is solid advice, I often skip breakfast and lunch because of it. That is an incredible amount of sugar though. Curious of what you think of things like this that suggest the negative health effects of sugar beyond weight:How many grams are in a pop? Like 40? If I'm in the mood, I can go through a case in 2 days. So like 480 there? I bring 2 liters into the office and drink the entire thing in a single work shift, then drink more pop when I get home. And I often have other sources of sugar as well. Candy, cookies, all sorts of sugary stuff. I'm actually laying off the pop right now though because I think the caffeine is a problem for me lately. Last time I layed off of pop I settled in about 7 lbs lighter, so 168 is probably more my natural weight. Big thing that works for me I think is that I follow the DrJ diet outlined above. I eat when I'm hungry. Some days that may be as little as once. Other days it might be 4-5 times. I've gone entire days without being hungry if I keep my mind engaged enough.Interesting. I think the source matters quite a bit in weight loss/gain, at least for me it does. You must not be very insulin resistant. How many grams of sugar do you take in a day?Disagree, if it's weight loss he's after it's simply about calories regardless of source. I drink more High Fructose Corn Syrup every day than many small nations. And I'm 5'11" and 175.6 lbs according to the scale this morning. My wife who has to make actual effort to stay below 130 absolutely detests this.A diet of meats and vegetables isn't space food. If you want to consume that much sugar, you're going to have a bad time regardless of its source.Look, if I can't trust that mashed up fruits and vegetables will get the job done, then I just give up. I'm not eating any of that weird space food you people eat.Looks like these things range from 21g to 45g of sugar per serving, this isn't going to help you much. May as well go on a Coca-Cola diet.
Fat Head is a movie that has a similar concept. So many different factors go into health it is hard to say things definitively. That is why I have always liked the more holistic Primal Blueprint approach although my favorite hobbies often get me into trouble with it.The only eating when your hungry thing is solid advice, I often skip breakfast and lunch because of it. That is an incredible amount of sugar though. Curious of what you think of things like this that suggest the negative health effects of sugar beyond weight:How many grams are in a pop? Like 40? If I'm in the mood, I can go through a case in 2 days. So like 480 there? I bring 2 liters into the office and drink the entire thing in a single work shift, then drink more pop when I get home. And I often have other sources of sugar as well. Candy, cookies, all sorts of sugary stuff. I'm actually laying off the pop right now though because I think the caffeine is a problem for me lately. Last time I layed off of pop I settled in about 7 lbs lighter, so 168 is probably more my natural weight. Big thing that works for me I think is that I follow the DrJ diet outlined above. I eat when I'm hungry. Some days that may be as little as once. Other days it might be 4-5 times. I've gone entire days without being hungry if I keep my mind engaged enough.Interesting. I think the source matters quite a bit in weight loss/gain, at least for me it does. You must not be very insulin resistant. How many grams of sugar do you take in a day?Disagree, if it's weight loss he's after it's simply about calories regardless of source. I drink more High Fructose Corn Syrup every day than many small nations. And I'm 5'11" and 175.6 lbs according to the scale this morning. My wife who has to make actual effort to stay below 130 absolutely detests this.A diet of meats and vegetables isn't space food. If you want to consume that much sugar, you're going to have a bad time regardless of its source.Look, if I can't trust that mashed up fruits and vegetables will get the job done, then I just give up. I'm not eating any of that weird space food you people eat.Looks like these things range from 21g to 45g of sugar per serving, this isn't going to help you much. May as well go on a Coca-Cola diet.
Bump.Oh, and I'll take the over.And how heavy these days?6'4"How tall are you again? Notebook says 6'3"ish?It's a jump start on a diet thing. Also, you have a couple prep days where you basically cut all the crap out before you start it. So my juice gets delivered tomorrow afternoon, I start the next day. Today I ate a banana, a salad with no meat and no dressing (it looked like what you empty out of a lawnmower), and one of those greek yogurts. I've got some almonds to let loose in a bit and get really wild.So at the end of the week is it possible I lost 10lbs? I bet maybe.It looks more like a colon-blow thing than a diet thing. You can't lose that much weight in 3 days without doing anything. And if you want low calories, I've read you should read the fruits/vegetables rather than drinking the juice. You fill up much more for the same calories.But.... you should do it. What could go wrong?I mean, you drink vegetables and ingest nothing else. I sure as hell hope so.This is a weight-loss thing?
There's a link to a scale photo earlier in the thread. TREASURE HUNTBump.Oh, and I'll take the over.And how heavy these days?6'4"How tall are you again? Notebook says 6'3"ish?It's a jump start on a diet thing. Also, you have a couple prep days where you basically cut all the crap out before you start it. So my juice gets delivered tomorrow afternoon, I start the next day. Today I ate a banana, a salad with no meat and no dressing (it looked like what you empty out of a lawnmower), and one of those greek yogurts. I've got some almonds to let loose in a bit and get really wild.So at the end of the week is it possible I lost 10lbs? I bet maybe.It looks more like a colon-blow thing than a diet thing. You can't lose that much weight in 3 days without doing anything. And if you want low calories, I've read you should read the fruits/vegetables rather than drinking the juice. You fill up much more for the same calories.But.... you should do it. What could go wrong?I mean, you drink vegetables and ingest nothing else. I sure as hell hope so.This is a weight-loss thing?
Today's the 5th?I'll set the O/U at the morning of the 9th.
I definitely like the Primal Blueprint as a whole myself, but not because I think it's conclusive that it's incredibly healthy. Mainly because I can actually switch to something that resembles it with little modification outside of dropping the pop and a few other minor changes, and there's actually people that would suggest it is healthy unlike my current diet. It's pretty solid for anyone trying to lose weight IMO because it's nearly impossible to consume high levels of calories off of it. Yesterday I had a gyros sandwich and just ate the meat for lunch, no fries, no pop.The only eating when your hungry thing is solid advice, I often skip breakfast and lunch because of it. That is an incredible amount of sugar though. Curious of what you think of things like this that suggest the negative health effects of sugar beyond weight:How many grams are in a pop? Like 40? If I'm in the mood, I can go through a case in 2 days. So like 480 there? I bring 2 liters into the office and drink the entire thing in a single work shift, then drink more pop when I get home. And I often have other sources of sugar as well. Candy, cookies, all sorts of sugary stuff. I'm actually laying off the pop right now though because I think the caffeine is a problem for me lately. Last time I layed off of pop I settled in about 7 lbs lighter, so 168 is probably more my natural weight. Big thing that works for me I think is that I follow the DrJ diet outlined above. I eat when I'm hungry. Some days that may be as little as once. Other days it might be 4-5 times. I've gone entire days without being hungry if I keep my mind engaged enough.Interesting. I think the source matters quite a bit in weight loss/gain, at least for me it does. You must not be very insulin resistant. How many grams of sugar do you take in a day?Disagree, if it's weight loss he's after it's simply about calories regardless of source. I drink more High Fructose Corn Syrup every day than many small nations. And I'm 5'11" and 175.6 lbs according to the scale this morning. My wife who has to make actual effort to stay below 130 absolutely detests this.A diet of meats and vegetables isn't space food. If you want to consume that much sugar, you're going to have a bad time regardless of its source.Look, if I can't trust that mashed up fruits and vegetables will get the job done, then I just give up. I'm not eating any of that weird space food you people eat.Looks like these things range from 21g to 45g of sugar per serving, this isn't going to help you much. May as well go on a Coca-Cola diet.
I can eat steaks endlessly and never get tired of them. Where it really loses me though is the vegetable intake required. There are few vegetables I like so I have to head down the juicing path if I'm going to try and adhere to that strictly. Or just substitute with fruits (especially berries, since those rank high on Sisson's list due to the antioxidants and all) and accept that I'm not entirely within the spirit of what he's trying to preach. Maybe I'll give that another half-hearted go since I'm switching off pop at this point.