Blueprint Juice Diet (6 Viewers)

[Random]

Why in the world would you try to quit all of this at once? And why are you quitting coffee? Probably 90% of the reason you feel like crap.

 

[Tony Jabroni]

Cut out the late night eating, snacks and start eating breakfast like a king, lunch like a prince and dinner like a pauper.. the weight will come off a whole lot more naturally.

This is a very good analogy.

 

[proninja]

Thanks for the support friends!!!!1I feel awful. I think the combination of quitting booze, coffee, and cutting calories way down all at once are destroying me here. I went to bed before 9 Slept a lot. Still feel like the walking dead I'm so exhausted. And a crushing headache. Almost feel like I've got the flu or something. Hopefully it gets better from here.

You quit coffee at the same time? What for?

 

[eaganwildcats]

Thanks for the support friends!!!!1I feel awful. I think the combination of quitting booze, coffee, and cutting calories way down all at once are destroying me here. I went to bed before 9 Slept a lot. Still feel like the walking dead I'm so exhausted. And a crushing headache. Almost feel like I've got the flu or something. Hopefully it gets better from here.

 

[bushdocda]

Thanks for the support friends!!!!1I feel awful. I think the combination of quitting booze, coffee, and cutting calories way down all at once are destroying me here. I went to bed before 9 Slept a lot. Still feel like the walking dead I'm so exhausted. And a crushing headache. Almost feel like I've got the flu or something. Hopefully it gets better from here.

I've done this but with a few weeks prior weaning off the caffeine through decaf, tea and Yerba mate. That was helpful. Doing it all at once will make you feel like #### for sure but if that is how you're doing it then it will lessen over the next days.

 

[Otis]

Thanks for the support friends!!!!1I feel awful. I think the combination of quitting booze, coffee, and cutting calories way down all at once are destroying me here. I went to bed before 9 Slept a lot. Still feel like the walking dead I'm so exhausted. And a crushing headache. Almost feel like I've got the flu or something. Hopefully it gets better from here.

You quit coffee at the same time? What for?

This stupid "cleanse" suggests it, figured I'd give it a shot. Man to I feel awful. Addiction is a girl dog.

 

[DrJ]

I don't know which of us constitute the you guys, but seeing as how otis has reportedly shown zero results to date, I'd say it's somewhat likely that everything he does to lose weight is wrong.

You seem very reasonable. Not directed toward you. Look, he's done a lot wrong. I'm talking to the crowd who, after a day of eating nothing but natural, healthy food and controlling his portions, has to chime in about how he's doing it all wrong and he can't live on that amount of food forever. Otis may not be perfect, but hell, he did the right thing today. Sustainable or not, he ate good food, and that's going to be the biggest issue of his for the rest of his life. Hard to gorge yourself on natural, fibrous foods.

He's suggesting fatties are all weak willed and have no self control, and you're calling this reasonable. It's all good that you dislike me, lots of people do, but don't let that cloud your judgement. I've achieved a healthy BMI off of nothing but junk food, a professor submitted himself to an all junk food diet with the same results, there's nothing unreasonable about what I'm proposing.

BMI is useless and does not tell you if you are Healthy.

You wanna race?

 

[Angry Beavers]

Cutting Caffeine at the same time is what is more than likely giving you the killer headache. How bout taking a NoDoz just to get the caffeine in your system?

 

[Otis]

Cutting Caffeine at the same time is what is more than likely giving you the killer headache. How bout taking a NoDoz just to get the caffeine in your system?

I may relent and do some black coffee. I'm not doing this for the "cleanse" part, more just to jumpstart a diet. So why torture myself? I guess I was curious to see if I could give up coffee. Then again this is brutal, and I like coffee, and there's probably no good reason to give it up.Juice #2 is pretty solid. Pineapple, Apple and Mint. Much better than #1. Maybe I'll have a little coffee after this...

 

[Statcruncher]

CRASH THIS, RIGHETTI

I may relent and do some black coffee. I'm not doing this for the "cleanse" part, more just to jumpstart a diet. So why torture myself? I guess I was curious to see if I could give up coffee. Then again this is brutal, and I like coffee, and there's probably no good reason to give it up.Juice #2 is pretty solid. Pineapple, Apple and Mint. Much better than #1. Maybe I'll have a little coffee after this...

You've made it almost 4 hours before convincing yourself to cave on part of your resolution. Honestly you lasted longer than I thought you would.

 

[Otis]

CRASH THIS, RIGHETTI

I may relent and do some black coffee. I'm not doing this for the "cleanse" part, more just to jumpstart a diet. So why torture myself? I guess I was curious to see if I could give up coffee. Then again this is brutal, and I like coffee, and there's probably no good reason to give it up.Juice #2 is pretty solid. Pineapple, Apple and Mint. Much better than #1. Maybe I'll have a little coffee after this...

You've made it almost 4 hours before convincing yourself to cave on part of your resolution. Honestly you lasted longer than I thought you would.

I never wanted to give up coffee. It's what these juice nerds recommend to get cleansed and holy and stuff.

 

[Statcruncher]

Atta boy Otis, there is always a way to justify your lack of willpower.

 

[Random]

I don't know which of us constitute the you guys, but seeing as how otis has reportedly shown zero results to date, I'd say it's somewhat likely that everything he does to lose weight is wrong.

You seem very reasonable. Not directed toward you. Look, he's done a lot wrong. I'm talking to the crowd who, after a day of eating nothing but natural, healthy food and controlling his portions, has to chime in about how he's doing it all wrong and he can't live on that amount of food forever. Otis may not be perfect, but hell, he did the right thing today. Sustainable or not, he ate good food, and that's going to be the biggest issue of his for the rest of his life. Hard to gorge yourself on natural, fibrous foods.

He's suggesting fatties are all weak willed and have no self control, and you're calling this reasonable. It's all good that you dislike me, lots of people do, but don't let that cloud your judgement. I've achieved a healthy BMI off of nothing but junk food, a professor submitted himself to an all junk food diet with the same results, there's nothing unreasonable about what I'm proposing.

BMI is useless and does not tell you if you are Healthy.

You wanna race?

Ok, I'll bite. How old are you? I'd guess 20's/early 30s. If you are, it will catch up with you. If you are older than that, congrats on the good genes. Just imagine how fit you'd be if you did eat healthy.And FWIW I agree with what you said earlier, that the medical community really doesn't know all tat much about what healthy actually is. Just look up the obesity paradox.

 

[DrJ]

I don't know which of us constitute the you guys, but seeing as how otis has reportedly shown zero results to date, I'd say it's somewhat likely that everything he does to lose weight is wrong.

You seem very reasonable. Not directed toward you. Look, he's done a lot wrong. I'm talking to the crowd who, after a day of eating nothing but natural, healthy food and controlling his portions, has to chime in about how he's doing it all wrong and he can't live on that amount of food forever. Otis may not be perfect, but hell, he did the right thing today. Sustainable or not, he ate good food, and that's going to be the biggest issue of his for the rest of his life. Hard to gorge yourself on natural, fibrous foods.

He's suggesting fatties are all weak willed and have no self control, and you're calling this reasonable. It's all good that you dislike me, lots of people do, but don't let that cloud your judgement. I've achieved a healthy BMI off of nothing but junk food, a professor submitted himself to an all junk food diet with the same results, there's nothing unreasonable about what I'm proposing.

BMI is useless and does not tell you if you are Healthy.

You wanna race?

Ok, I'll bite. How old are you? I'd guess 20's/early 30s. If you are, it will catch up with you. If you are older than that, congrats on the good genes. Just imagine how fit you'd be if you did eat healthy.

Closing in on 40. The way I look at it, sure I'd be healthier if I changed my lifestyle some. But the question is, is there more value in that or doing the things I enjoy? Let's say you have 2 hypothetical options - be all healthy, deprive yourself of the things you enjoy, and live to 80. Or enjoy whatever you like (at some level of moderation - there are aspects of moderation in what I've laid out) and live to 70? Option 2 seems superior to me. And really, no one can even say if this will cost me any years in the end.

It has nothing to do with genes. I've been 25 lbs heavier than I am, that actually was in my late 20's, so it's not like I magically digest calories unlike anyone else. I've learned how to properly control it.

 

[Deepster]

If you aren't losing weight, make those "normal sized portions" smaller. He can eat that entire beef sandwich if he likes, but if that doesn't help him lose weight and he's still maintaining status quo then he simply needs to eat 2/3 of it or something. Voila. Weight starts falling off. Once that levels, if you aren't happy still, cut back to 1/2 of the sandwich. I have topped the 200 lb mark once in my life, my answer? Eat a single cheeseburger and small fries rather than the bacon double and large fries. Voila. Weight problem solved.

This is some of the worst, most uninformed advice I've ever read on this board. I don't even know where to start poking holes in it.

 

[DrJ]

If you aren't losing weight, make those "normal sized portions" smaller. He can eat that entire beef sandwich if he likes, but if that doesn't help him lose weight and he's still maintaining status quo then he simply needs to eat 2/3 of it or something. Voila. Weight starts falling off. Once that levels, if you aren't happy still, cut back to 1/2 of the sandwich. I have topped the 200 lb mark once in my life, my answer? Eat a single cheeseburger and small fries rather than the bacon double and large fries. Voila. Weight problem solved.

This is some of the worst, most uninformed advice I've ever read on this board. I don't even know where to start poking holes in it.

Because there are none. It's been certified to work using an even junkier diet than I eat.

 

[DrJ]

And remember - Otis is looking to lose weight. Ingesting nothing but a packet of juice each day isn't healthy either, so that clearly isn't his goal here. Despite what all you diet nerds want to suggest, the formula for gaining and losing weight is pretty simple and comes down to one set of figures - the number of calories ingested vs the number of calories burned. It is irrelevant where these calories come from, from a weight standpoint every single one of them is equal.

 

[zDragon]

I don't know which of us constitute the you guys, but seeing as how otis has reportedly shown zero results to date, I'd say it's somewhat likely that everything he does to lose weight is wrong.

You seem very reasonable. Not directed toward you. Look, he's done a lot wrong. I'm talking to the crowd who, after a day of eating nothing but natural, healthy food and controlling his portions, has to chime in about how he's doing it all wrong and he can't live on that amount of food forever. Otis may not be perfect, but hell, he did the right thing today. Sustainable or not, he ate good food, and that's going to be the biggest issue of his for the rest of his life. Hard to gorge yourself on natural, fibrous foods.

He's suggesting fatties are all weak willed and have no self control, and you're calling this reasonable. It's all good that you dislike me, lots of people do, but don't let that cloud your judgement. I've achieved a healthy BMI off of nothing but junk food, a professor submitted himself to an all junk food diet with the same results, there's nothing unreasonable about what I'm proposing.

BMI is useless and does not tell you if you are Healthy.

You wanna race?

What does that have to do with BMI telling you if your healthy or not? I guess you could always race the obese Adrian Peterson if it made you feel better. In fact it's better for a RB to be on the overweight obese line if they want any chance of being a top 10 rusher. BMI tells you exactly nothing about your fitness level. If you want to see if your fit check BF%, LBM, and get blood work done.

 

[DrJ]

I don't know which of us constitute the you guys, but seeing as how otis has reportedly shown zero results to date, I'd say it's somewhat likely that everything he does to lose weight is wrong.

You seem very reasonable. Not directed toward you. Look, he's done a lot wrong. I'm talking to the crowd who, after a day of eating nothing but natural, healthy food and controlling his portions, has to chime in about how he's doing it all wrong and he can't live on that amount of food forever. Otis may not be perfect, but hell, he did the right thing today. Sustainable or not, he ate good food, and that's going to be the biggest issue of his for the rest of his life. Hard to gorge yourself on natural, fibrous foods.

He's suggesting fatties are all weak willed and have no self control, and you're calling this reasonable. It's all good that you dislike me, lots of people do, but don't let that cloud your judgement. I've achieved a healthy BMI off of nothing but junk food, a professor submitted himself to an all junk food diet with the same results, there's nothing unreasonable about what I'm proposing.

BMI is useless and does not tell you if you are Healthy.

You wanna race?

What does that have to do with BMI telling you if your healthy or not? I guess you could always race the obese Adrian Peterson if it made you feel better. In fact it's better for a RB to be on the overweight obese line if they want any chance of being a top 10 rusher. BMI tells you exactly nothing about your fitness level. If you want to see if your fit check BF%, LBM, and get blood work done.

BF% is good - I don't know the exact percentage but I've already pointed out you can see my abs some days. I certainly have a lower bodyfat than a lot of you fatties. Ya see, when you pile on the "healthy food" and your body can't burn it fast enough it all gets converted to fat anyways. My calories actually get used to create energy.I've also pointed out that my CBC numbers are good. I've had them run relatively recently.

Twinkie diet guy's blood numbers improved on his junk diet: http://www.cnn.com/2010/HEALTH/11/08/twinkie.diet.professor/index.html

His premise: That in weight loss, pure calorie counting is what matters most -- not the nutritional value of the food.

The premise held up: On his "convenience store diet," he shed 27 pounds in two months.

For a class project, Haub limited himself to less than 1,800 calories a day. A man of Haub's pre-dieting size usually consumes about 2,600 calories daily. So he followed a basic principle of weight loss: He consumed significantly fewer calories than he burned.

His body mass index went from 28.8, considered overweight, to 24.9, which is normal. He now weighs 174 pounds.

But you might expect other indicators of health would have suffered. Not so.

Haub's "bad" cholesterol, or LDL, dropped 20 percent and his "good" cholesterol, or HDL, increased by 20 percent. He reduced the level of triglycerides, which are a form of fat, by 39 percent.

Explain that, diet nerds.

 

[Otis]

Where's that stupid hangover smiley. I feel awful.

 

[Random]

Where's that stupid hangover smiley. I feel awful.

This thread isn't about you anymore. Its about how everyone can lose weight by eating 10 twinkies a day.

 

[DrJ]

Where's that stupid hangover smiley. I feel awful.

Some of this has to be mental. You could not eat for an entire day and you're going to be just fine with 40 lbs of reserve energy around your waist.

 

[DrJ]

Where's that stupid hangover smiley. I feel awful.

This thread isn't about you anymore. Its about how everyone can lose weight by eating 10 twinkies a day.

It's scientifically proven. Unlike man made global warming which most of you buy into.

 

[Random]

Where's that stupid hangover smiley. I feel awful.

This thread isn't about you anymore. Its about how everyone can lose weight by eating 10 twinkies a day.

It's scientifically proven. Unlike man made global warming which most of you buy into.

I honestly cant tell if you're being serious. On the off chance you are, where has it been scientifically proven?

 

[urbanhack]

Thanks for the support friends!!!!1I feel awful. I think the combination of quitting booze, coffee, and cutting calories way down all at once are destroying me here. I went to bed before 9 Slept a lot. Still feel like the walking dead I'm so exhausted. And a crushing headache. Almost feel like I've got the flu or something. Hopefully it gets better from here.

You quit coffee at the same time? What for?

This stupid "cleanse" suggests it, figured I'd give it a shot. Man to I feel awful. Addiction is a girl dog.

Get through the first few days and you will feel better.Good luck!

 

[DrJ]

Where's that stupid hangover smiley. I feel awful.

This thread isn't about you anymore. Its about how everyone can lose weight by eating 10 twinkies a day.

It's scientifically proven. Unlike man made global warming which most of you buy into.

I honestly cant tell if you're being serious. On the off chance you are, where has it been scientifically proven?

Twinkie diet guy's experiment. This has been done, and the results absolutely demonstrated that calories are what matters. We can use Otis as an experiment too, it will show the same thing.

 

[Deepster]

If you aren't losing weight, make those "normal sized portions" smaller. He can eat that entire beef sandwich if he likes, but if that doesn't help him lose weight and he's still maintaining status quo then he simply needs to eat 2/3 of it or something. Voila. Weight starts falling off. Once that levels, if you aren't happy still, cut back to 1/2 of the sandwich. I have topped the 200 lb mark once in my life, my answer? Eat a single cheeseburger and small fries rather than the bacon double and large fries. Voila. Weight problem solved.

This is some of the worst, most uninformed advice I've ever read on this board. I don't even know where to start poking holes in it.

Because there are none. It's been certified to work using an even junkier diet than I eat.

Right. And it's certified I'll lose weight if I cut off my arm too. You're a donkey.

 

[DrJ]

If you aren't losing weight, make those "normal sized portions" smaller. He can eat that entire beef sandwich if he likes, but if that doesn't help him lose weight and he's still maintaining status quo then he simply needs to eat 2/3 of it or something. Voila. Weight starts falling off. Once that levels, if you aren't happy still, cut back to 1/2 of the sandwich. I have topped the 200 lb mark once in my life, my answer? Eat a single cheeseburger and small fries rather than the bacon double and large fries. Voila. Weight problem solved.

This is some of the worst, most uninformed advice I've ever read on this board. I don't even know where to start poking holes in it.

Because there are none. It's been certified to work using an even junkier diet than I eat.

Right. And it's certified I'll lose weight if I cut off my arm too. You're a donkey.

Actually, it's not. If you continued eating the same number of calories, you would gain that weight right back. Might even be higher, because now you don't have an extra appendage to burn them.Not my fault you're too stupid to understand the basic principles of caloric intake.

 

[Joe T]

Thanks for the support friends!!!!1I feel awful. I think the combination of quitting booze, coffee, and cutting calories way down all at once are destroying me here. I went to bed before 9 Slept a lot. Still feel like the walking dead I'm so exhausted. And a crushing headache. Almost feel like I've got the flu or something. Hopefully it gets better from here.

What is the purpose of quitting coffee?

 

[Deepster]

If you aren't losing weight, make those "normal sized portions" smaller. He can eat that entire beef sandwich if he likes, but if that doesn't help him lose weight and he's still maintaining status quo then he simply needs to eat 2/3 of it or something. Voila. Weight starts falling off. Once that levels, if you aren't happy still, cut back to 1/2 of the sandwich. I have topped the 200 lb mark once in my life, my answer? Eat a single cheeseburger and small fries rather than the bacon double and large fries. Voila. Weight problem solved.

This is some of the worst, most uninformed advice I've ever read on this board. I don't even know where to start poking holes in it.

Because there are none. It's been certified to work using an even junkier diet than I eat.

Right. And it's certified I'll lose weight if I cut off my arm too. You're a donkey.

Actually, it's not. If you continued eating the same number of calories, you would gain that weight right back. Might even be higher, because now you don't have an extra appendage to burn them.Not my fault you're too stupid to understand the basic principles of caloric intake.

Maybe I do, maybe I don't. I surely understand your weak schtick though.

 

[Sarnoff]

Atta boy Otis, there is always a way to justify your lack of willpower.

It's so Otis.

 

[Ned]

peeing out of your butt yet?

 

[BassNBrew]

How's the weight loss coming Otis? I'm down 5 pounds since Monday. Hopefully the headaches and $75 are a sign that you're having even better progress than me.

 

[DrJ]

How's the weight loss coming Otis? I'm down 5 pounds since Monday. Hopefully the headaches and $75 are a sign that you're having even better progress than me.

 

[Chaka]

Where's that stupid hangover smiley. I feel awful.

This thread isn't about you anymore. Its about how everyone can lose weight by eating 10 twinkies a day.

It's scientifically proven. Unlike man made global warming which most of you buy into.

I honestly cant tell if you're being serious. On the off chance you are, where has it been scientifically proven?

Twinkie diet guy's experiment. This has been done, and the results absolutely demonstrated that calories are what matters. We can use Otis as an experiment too, it will show the same thing.

That is not scientific proof.

 

[zDragon]

I don't know which of us constitute the you guys, but seeing as how otis has reportedly shown zero results to date, I'd say it's somewhat likely that everything he does to lose weight is wrong.

You seem very reasonable. Not directed toward you. Look, he's done a lot wrong. I'm talking to the crowd who, after a day of eating nothing but natural, healthy food and controlling his portions, has to chime in about how he's doing it all wrong and he can't live on that amount of food forever. Otis may not be perfect, but hell, he did the right thing today. Sustainable or not, he ate good food, and that's going to be the biggest issue of his for the rest of his life. Hard to gorge yourself on natural, fibrous foods.

He's suggesting fatties are all weak willed and have no self control, and you're calling this reasonable. It's all good that you dislike me, lots of people do, but don't let that cloud your judgement. I've achieved a healthy BMI off of nothing but junk food, a professor submitted himself to an all junk food diet with the same results, there's nothing unreasonable about what I'm proposing.

BMI is useless and does not tell you if you are Healthy.

You wanna race?

What does that have to do with BMI telling you if your healthy or not? I guess you could always race the obese Adrian Peterson if it made you feel better. In fact it's better for a RB to be on the overweight obese line if they want any chance of being a top 10 rusher. BMI tells you exactly nothing about your fitness level. If you want to see if your fit check BF%, LBM, and get blood work done.

BF% is good - I don't know the exact percentage but I've already pointed out you can see my abs some days. I certainly have a lower bodyfat than a lot of you fatties. Ya see, when you pile on the "healthy food" and your body can't burn it fast enough it all gets converted to fat anyways. My calories actually get used to create energy.I've also pointed out that my CBC numbers are good. I've had them run relatively recently.

Twinkie diet guy's blood numbers improved on his junk diet: http://www.cnn.com/2010/HEALTH/11/08/twinkie.diet.professor/index.html

His premise: That in weight loss, pure calorie counting is what matters most -- not the nutritional value of the food.

The premise held up: On his "convenience store diet," he shed 27 pounds in two months.

For a class project, Haub limited himself to less than 1,800 calories a day. A man of Haub's pre-dieting size usually consumes about 2,600 calories daily. So he followed a basic principle of weight loss: He consumed significantly fewer calories than he burned.

His body mass index went from 28.8, considered overweight, to 24.9, which is normal. He now weighs 174 pounds.

But you might expect other indicators of health would have suffered. Not so.

Haub's "bad" cholesterol, or LDL, dropped 20 percent and his "good" cholesterol, or HDL, increased by 20 percent. He reduced the level of triglycerides, which are a form of fat, by 39 percent.

Explain that, diet nerds.

Do it for life and see where it gets you. Anyway here is some insight on the subject. This isn't even worth wasting time on. If you think BMI is a good measure use it.

 

[DrJ]

I don't know which of us constitute the you guys, but seeing as how otis has reportedly shown zero results to date, I'd say it's somewhat likely that everything he does to lose weight is wrong.

You seem very reasonable. Not directed toward you. Look, he's done a lot wrong. I'm talking to the crowd who, after a day of eating nothing but natural, healthy food and controlling his portions, has to chime in about how he's doing it all wrong and he can't live on that amount of food forever. Otis may not be perfect, but hell, he did the right thing today. Sustainable or not, he ate good food, and that's going to be the biggest issue of his for the rest of his life. Hard to gorge yourself on natural, fibrous foods.

He's suggesting fatties are all weak willed and have no self control, and you're calling this reasonable. It's all good that you dislike me, lots of people do, but don't let that cloud your judgement. I've achieved a healthy BMI off of nothing but junk food, a professor submitted himself to an all junk food diet with the same results, there's nothing unreasonable about what I'm proposing.

BMI is useless and does not tell you if you are Healthy.

You wanna race?

What does that have to do with BMI telling you if your healthy or not? I guess you could always race the obese Adrian Peterson if it made you feel better. In fact it's better for a RB to be on the overweight obese line if they want any chance of being a top 10 rusher. BMI tells you exactly nothing about your fitness level. If you want to see if your fit check BF%, LBM, and get blood work done.

BF% is good - I don't know the exact percentage but I've already pointed out you can see my abs some days. I certainly have a lower bodyfat than a lot of you fatties. Ya see, when you pile on the "healthy food" and your body can't burn it fast enough it all gets converted to fat anyways. My calories actually get used to create energy.I've also pointed out that my CBC numbers are good. I've had them run relatively recently.

Twinkie diet guy's blood numbers improved on his junk diet: http://www.cnn.com/2010/HEALTH/11/08/twinkie.diet.professor/index.html

His premise: That in weight loss, pure calorie counting is what matters most -- not the nutritional value of the food.

The premise held up: On his "convenience store diet," he shed 27 pounds in two months.

For a class project, Haub limited himself to less than 1,800 calories a day. A man of Haub's pre-dieting size usually consumes about 2,600 calories daily. So he followed a basic principle of weight loss: He consumed significantly fewer calories than he burned.

His body mass index went from 28.8, considered overweight, to 24.9, which is normal. He now weighs 174 pounds.

But you might expect other indicators of health would have suffered. Not so.

Haub's "bad" cholesterol, or LDL, dropped 20 percent and his "good" cholesterol, or HDL, increased by 20 percent. He reduced the level of triglycerides, which are a form of fat, by 39 percent.

Explain that, diet nerds.

Do it for life and see where it gets you. Anyway here is some insight on the subject. This isn't even worth wasting time on. If you think BMI is a good measure use it.

Page not found. You brought up other measures, I guess you didn't notice but I used those as well.

 

[DrJ]

Where's that stupid hangover smiley. I feel awful.

This thread isn't about you anymore. Its about how everyone can lose weight by eating 10 twinkies a day.

It's scientifically proven. Unlike man made global warming which most of you buy into.

I honestly cant tell if you're being serious. On the off chance you are, where has it been scientifically proven?

Twinkie diet guy's experiment. This has been done, and the results absolutely demonstrated that calories are what matters. We can use Otis as an experiment too, it will show the same thing.

That is not scientific proof.

The what is it? Guy made a hypothesis, ran an experiment to validate it, the experiment indeed validated it.

 

[zDragon]

I don't know which of us constitute the you guys, but seeing as how otis has reportedly shown zero results to date, I'd say it's somewhat likely that everything he does to lose weight is wrong.

You seem very reasonable. Not directed toward you. Look, he's done a lot wrong. I'm talking to the crowd who, after a day of eating nothing but natural, healthy food and controlling his portions, has to chime in about how he's doing it all wrong and he can't live on that amount of food forever. Otis may not be perfect, but hell, he did the right thing today. Sustainable or not, he ate good food, and that's going to be the biggest issue of his for the rest of his life. Hard to gorge yourself on natural, fibrous foods.

He's suggesting fatties are all weak willed and have no self control, and you're calling this reasonable. It's all good that you dislike me, lots of people do, but don't let that cloud your judgement. I've achieved a healthy BMI off of nothing but junk food, a professor submitted himself to an all junk food diet with the same results, there's nothing unreasonable about what I'm proposing.

BMI is useless and does not tell you if you are Healthy.

You wanna race?

What does that have to do with BMI telling you if your healthy or not? I guess you could always race the obese Adrian Peterson if it made you feel better. In fact it's better for a RB to be on the overweight obese line if they want any chance of being a top 10 rusher. BMI tells you exactly nothing about your fitness level. If you want to see if your fit check BF%, LBM, and get blood work done.

BF% is good - I don't know the exact percentage but I've already pointed out you can see my abs some days. I certainly have a lower bodyfat than a lot of you fatties. Ya see, when you pile on the "healthy food" and your body can't burn it fast enough it all gets converted to fat anyways. My calories actually get used to create energy.I've also pointed out that my CBC numbers are good. I've had them run relatively recently.

Twinkie diet guy's blood numbers improved on his junk diet: http://www.cnn.com/2010/HEALTH/11/08/twinkie.diet.professor/index.html

His premise: That in weight loss, pure calorie counting is what matters most -- not the nutritional value of the food.

The premise held up: On his "convenience store diet," he shed 27 pounds in two months.

For a class project, Haub limited himself to less than 1,800 calories a day. A man of Haub's pre-dieting size usually consumes about 2,600 calories daily. So he followed a basic principle of weight loss: He consumed significantly fewer calories than he burned.

His body mass index went from 28.8, considered overweight, to 24.9, which is normal. He now weighs 174 pounds.

But you might expect other indicators of health would have suffered. Not so.

Haub's "bad" cholesterol, or LDL, dropped 20 percent and his "good" cholesterol, or HDL, increased by 20 percent. He reduced the level of triglycerides, which are a form of fat, by 39 percent.

Explain that, diet nerds.

Do it for life and see where it gets you. Anyway here is some insight on the subject. This isn't even worth wasting time on. If you think BMI is a good measure use it.

Page not found. You brought up other measures, I guess you didn't notice but I used those as well.

Fixed Link.

 

[Otis]

Where's that stupid hangover smiley. I feel awful.

Some of this has to be mental. You could not eat for an entire day and you're going to be just fine with 40 lbs of reserve energy around your waist.

I'm pretty sure it's the caffeine thing. That or maybe I just got sick.

 

[Otis]

Thanks for the support friends!!!!1I feel awful. I think the combination of quitting booze, coffee, and cutting calories way down all at once are destroying me here. I went to bed before 9 Slept a lot. Still feel like the walking dead I'm so exhausted. And a crushing headache. Almost feel like I've got the flu or something. Hopefully it gets better from here.

What is the purpose of quitting coffee?

I don't think there is one. Other than the juice instructions tell you to do that. For the "cleansing" effect.I really just wanna cleanse my gut and manboobs.

 

[DrJ]

Fixed Link.

Still not found. I found your error though and got to the article.

7. The truth

The junk food diet works. But only when the consumer remains at a calorie deficit (an extremely high deficit in Haub’s case). Any calorie restricted diet, for that matter, works. There is a reason why “calories in should be less than calories out” is called the golden rule of fat loss.

Junk food (sugary treats and highly processed foods) have an addictive effect on the consumer that is even higher than cocaine.

A diet dominated by junk food does not nourish the body with the required vitamins, minerals and anti-oxidants which might result in long term internal damages which might prove to be irreversible and even fatal (cancer etc.).

Calorie restriction while on a diet which is high in empty calories is extremely hard to stick to and most people will fall off the wagon very quickly (at least when they are not the center of media attention!)

A diet built around high quality ingredients is extremely satiating in addition to adequately nourishing the body and hence sustainable in the long run.

Gee, even he agrees that calories in and calories out are the "golden rule" of fat loss. Not really all that much to see here, other than him agreeing that this works along with a bunch of stuff he doesn't adequately substantiate. One of which is entirely false in my experience, calorie restriction on a diet high in empty calories isn't hard to stick to.He also notes that the guy is a PhD in subjects related to this and is probably more informed on this subject than anyone in this thread.

Mark Haub is a 41 yr old nutrition professor with great educational credentials (MS in Exercise Science & PhD in Exercise Physiology) and respectable experience.

And here's Haub's thoughts on the whole thing:

Haub plans to add about 300 calories to his daily intake now that he's done with the diet. But he's not ditching snack cakes altogether. Despite his weight loss, Haub feels ambivalence.

"I wish I could say the outcomes are unhealthy. I wish I could say it's healthy. I'm not confident enough in doing that. That frustrates a lot of people. One side says it's irresponsible. It is unhealthy, but the data doesn't say that."

Otis' goal is to lose weight. Bottom line is that I'm 100% accurate that he can eat whatever the hell he likes in appropriate portions and accomplish that. Even your naysayer admits this. It's a scientific fact. The rest of the stuff is for diet nerds, who really don't actually have much of a clue, to debate. And none of their debates have proven conclusive or you wouldn't have 20 diets that are all in direct contrast to each other claiming to be healthy. 50 years from now we'll find that all of your fad diets are bad for you, too.

 

[urbanhack]

Thanks for the support friends!!!!1I feel awful. I think the combination of quitting booze, coffee, and cutting calories way down all at once are destroying me here. I went to bed before 9 Slept a lot. Still feel like the walking dead I'm so exhausted. And a crushing headache. Almost feel like I've got the flu or something. Hopefully it gets better from here.

What is the purpose of quitting coffee?

I don't think there is one. Other than the juice instructions tell you to do that. For the "cleansing" effect.I really just wanna cleanse my gut and manboobs.

https://player.vimeo.com/video/28017801 I did this detox class a few years ago. A big part of was no alcohol or coffee.

 

[James Daulton]

Thanks for the support friends!!!!1I feel awful. I think the combination of quitting booze, coffee, and cutting calories way down all at once are destroying me here. I went to bed before 9 Slept a lot. Still feel like the walking dead I'm so exhausted. And a crushing headache. Almost feel like I've got the flu or something. Hopefully it gets better from here.

What is the purpose of quitting coffee?

I don't think there is one. Other than the juice instructions tell you to do that. For the "cleansing" effect.I really just wanna cleanse my gut and manboobs.

You got this!

 

[zDragon]

Fixed Link.

Still not found. I found your error though and got to the article.

7. The truth

The junk food diet works. But only when the consumer remains at a calorie deficit (an extremely high deficit in Haub’s case). Any calorie restricted diet, for that matter, works. There is a reason why “calories in should be less than calories out” is called the golden rule of fat loss.

Junk food (sugary treats and highly processed foods) have an addictive effect on the consumer that is even higher than cocaine.

A diet dominated by junk food does not nourish the body with the required vitamins, minerals and anti-oxidants which might result in long term internal damages which might prove to be irreversible and even fatal (cancer etc.).

Calorie restriction while on a diet which is high in empty calories is extremely hard to stick to and most people will fall off the wagon very quickly (at least when they are not the center of media attention!)

A diet built around high quality ingredients is extremely satiating in addition to adequately nourishing the body and hence sustainable in the long run.

Gee, even he agrees that calories in and calories out are the "golden rule" of fat loss. Not really all that much to see here, other than him agreeing that this works along with a bunch of stuff he doesn't adequately substantiate. One of which is entirely false in my experience, calorie restriction on a diet high in empty calories isn't hard to stick to.He also notes that the guy is a PhD in subjects related to this and is probably more informed on this subject than anyone in this thread.

Mark Haub is a 41 yr old nutrition professor with great educational credentials (MS in Exercise Science & PhD in Exercise Physiology) and respectable experience.

And here's Haub's thoughts on the whole thing:

"I wish I could say the outcomes are unhealthy. I wish I could say it's healthy. I'm not confident enough in doing that. That frustrates a lot of people. One side says it's irresponsible. It is unhealthy, but the data doesn't say that."

Otis' goal is to lose weight. Bottom line is that I'm 100% accurate that he can eat whatever the hell he likes in appropriate portions and accomplish that. The rest of the stuff is for diet nerds, who really don't actually have much of a clue, to debate. And none of their debates have proven conclusive or you wouldn't have 20 diets that are all in direct contrast to each other claiming to be healthy. 50 years from now we'll find that all of your fad diets are bad for you, too.

He is also over weight. Also the underlined is pretty important. Eating junk food is bad for you and BMI does not mean anything.Anyway, eat your junk food and I'll eat my healthy food and not worry about having to try fad diets or gimmicks such as the Twinkie diet you mentioned.

 

[DrJ]

Fixed Link.

Still not found. I found your error though and got to the article.

7. The truth

The junk food diet works. But only when the consumer remains at a calorie deficit (an extremely high deficit in Haub’s case). Any calorie restricted diet, for that matter, works. There is a reason why “calories in should be less than calories out” is called the golden rule of fat loss.

Junk food (sugary treats and highly processed foods) have an addictive effect on the consumer that is even higher than cocaine.

A diet dominated by junk food does not nourish the body with the required vitamins, minerals and anti-oxidants which might result in long term internal damages which might prove to be irreversible and even fatal (cancer etc.).

Calorie restriction while on a diet which is high in empty calories is extremely hard to stick to and most people will fall off the wagon very quickly (at least when they are not the center of media attention!)

A diet built around high quality ingredients is extremely satiating in addition to adequately nourishing the body and hence sustainable in the long run.

Gee, even he agrees that calories in and calories out are the "golden rule" of fat loss. Not really all that much to see here, other than him agreeing that this works along with a bunch of stuff he doesn't adequately substantiate. One of which is entirely false in my experience, calorie restriction on a diet high in empty calories isn't hard to stick to.He also notes that the guy is a PhD in subjects related to this and is probably more informed on this subject than anyone in this thread.

Mark Haub is a 41 yr old nutrition professor with great educational credentials (MS in Exercise Science & PhD in Exercise Physiology) and respectable experience.

And here's Haub's thoughts on the whole thing:

"I wish I could say the outcomes are unhealthy. I wish I could say it's healthy. I'm not confident enough in doing that. That frustrates a lot of people. One side says it's irresponsible. It is unhealthy, but the data doesn't say that."

Otis' goal is to lose weight. Bottom line is that I'm 100% accurate that he can eat whatever the hell he likes in appropriate portions and accomplish that. The rest of the stuff is for diet nerds, who really don't actually have much of a clue, to debate. And none of their debates have proven conclusive or you wouldn't have 20 diets that are all in direct contrast to each other claiming to be healthy. 50 years from now we'll find that all of your fad diets are bad for you, too.

He is also over weight. Also the underlined is pretty important. Eating junk food is bad for you and BMI does not mean anything.Anyway, eat your junk food and I'll eat my healthy food and not worry about having to try fad diets or gimmicks such as the Twinkie diet you mentioned.

Yeah, you're going to take comparing sugar to cocaine as some sort of truth while you've ignored the scientific fact that it all comes down to calories this entire time. Go figure.

 

[DrJ]

And nowhere in this thread did I endorse my diet as healthy, something you also seem to be missing. I've made a point to note that I agree it's unhealthy. I've been speaking strictly from a weight loss perspective this entire time, and you bozos can't even just accept the scientific fact that it's accurate from that perspective. I guarantee you will find no reputable study that disagrees with the calorie in/calorie out stuff I've been referencing, because it's a scientific and mathematical certainty.

 

[E-Z Glider]

this thread needs more oat suffering and less boring argument that no one cares about.tia

 

[Joe T]

this thread needs more oat suffering and less boring argument that no one cares about.tia

Haven't seen this much hijackery in a non-timsco#### thread ever.

 

[DrJ]

this thread needs more oat suffering and less boring argument that no one cares about.tia

Haven't seen this much hijackery in a non-timsco#### thread ever.

Then stop telling him to drink coffee.