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Saul is f'ing awesome.
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pollardsvision
Footballguy
Yeah, on paper, the shady lawyer schtick would seem like it would get old, but it just doesn't. He's just as funny to me as they day the first day Jesse first told Walt they needed a criminal lawyer, not a criminal lawyer.
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Sabertooth
Footballguy
Every scene with Saul is pretty much money. Loved when he was calling his secretary "ST."
pollardsvision
Footballguy
For as much hell as we give Skyler, her and Saul in the same room is always comedy gold.
Homer J Simpson
I don't push
Still love the scene when Jesse is having dinner with Walt and Skyler. 
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packersfan
Footballguy
Outstanding scene. Jesse's trying so hard to be polite and the entire situation is just painful for him to be in.Still love the scene when Jesse is having dinner with Walt and Skyler.
Also love the scene when Walt brings the meth back to the car wash with Jesse and Jesse tries to be pleasant with Skyler and she's just annoyed by the both of them.
pantherclub
Footballguy
link as long as they are spoiler free
prosopis
Arizona Chupacabra
I am re watching the last 8 episodes. I was going to pace myself so it would lead right into the first episode coming up. Problem is they are so freaking good pacing is being thrown out the window. Once I start watching I want to keep going until they are done. I suspect I will watch the last four today.
Premier
Footballguy
I don't know what anybody's level of spoilers are so just google breaking bad reviews. They don't give away any plot points but it does give a little direction.
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
Once Hank realizes who Walt really is, the ripple effect it will have on the family will be interesting. Will he figure out that Skylar has known for a while? How will his Skylar's klepto sister handle it all?
Raider Nation
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badmojo1006
Footballguy
After watching the first half, I want to see Skyler and Jesse have an affair. There was smoldering sexual attention in their scenes together
Homer J Simpson
I don't push
If you haven't seen the first 8 episodes of S5, skip over this.
I love Mike's last words. "Shut the #### up, Walter. Let me die in peace." So perfect.
I love Mike's last words. "Shut the #### up, Walter. Let me die in peace." So perfect.
Major
Footballguy
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
My favorite Mike line was when he confronted Walt about killing those two dealers, and Walt said, "You said no more half measures," and Mike comes back with, "Yeah. Funny how words can be open to interpretation." The look on his face right after that combined with the line was great.
He wasn't even supposed to be a character. In one episode, Saul had a small scene doing something to advance the plot, but Bob Odenkirk had a scheduling conflict, so they invented Mike Ehrmantraut to do whatever it was on behalf of Saul. But then Jonathan Banks was kind of awesome as Mike, so they made him a recurring character.Yup. Sad to see him goours40:
And he got nominated for an emmy. I love stories like thatHe wasn't even supposed to be a character. In one episode, Saul had a small scene doing something to advance the plot, but Bob Odenkirk had a scheduling conflict, so they invented Mike Ehrmantraut to do whatever it was on behalf of Saul. But then Jonathan Banks was kind of awesome as Mike, so they made him a recurring character.Yup. Sad to see him go
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
I just bought a Hauppauge 1512 PVR, which allows me to save shows and movies to my computer in HD quality via RGB cables. Should have done this sooner. Anyhoo, I created a YouTube channel where I will post non-porn stuff which interests me.
THIS is my maiden voyage.
Mike is great in that scene, as always. And I love Walt's "YEAH!" at 4:08. Awesome.
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
That seems odd considering Mike's first appearance, IIRC, was when he was the cleaner following Jane's death. It seems bizarre that cleaning up the mess around Jane before calling her death into the cops would actually be handled by Saul (instead of one of his guys).He wasn't even supposed to be a character. In one episode, Saul had a small scene doing something to advance the plot, but Bob Odenkirk had a scheduling conflict, so they invented Mike Ehrmantraut to do whatever it was on behalf of Saul. But then Jonathan Banks was kind of awesome as Mike, so they made him a recurring character.Yup. Sad to see him go
Encyclopedia Brown
Footballguy
Sundance has a show called the "Writer's Room" where they talk to the writers of popular TV shows.
"Breaking Bad" is on tonight at 1:30 Eastern. It will be re-run on Sunday the 11th.
"Breaking Bad" is on tonight at 1:30 Eastern. It will be re-run on Sunday the 11th.
Michael Brown
Footballguy
Abraham
Footballguy
Indontbthink there is time. They literally have enough material for 20 more episodes between Gus, the cartel, the guys from Tucson, the supremacists...
This is from Alan Sepinwall's book:That seems odd considering Mike's first appearance, IIRC, was when he was the cleaner following Jane's death. It seems bizarre that cleaning up the mess around Jane before calling her death into the cops would actually be handled by Saul (instead of one of his guys).He wasn't even supposed to be a character. In one episode, Saul had a small scene doing something to advance the plot, but Bob Odenkirk had a scheduling conflict, so they invented Mike Ehrmantraut to do whatever it was on behalf of Saul. But then Jonathan Banks was kind of awesome as Mike, so they made him a recurring character.Yup. Sad to see him go
Though the second season was mapped out in many ways, the introduction of the unflappable yet weary Mike was a fluke. He first appears in the season finale to help Jesse with a problem that, in the script, Saul was going to deal with. But as Jonathan Banks told me after he left the show midway through the fifth season, Bob Odenkirk had a scheduling conflict, and the writers came up with Mike as a one-shot character. "I'd never seen the show," Banks said, "and I thought, 'I'll go in here, I'll guest star and I'll be gone.' It didn't turn out that way."
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
Crap. Probably because of copyright infringement, which they warn about. I wonder how some people get away with it.
Jojo the circus boy
Footballguy
Hank: "Chick's got an ### like an onion, makes me want to cry"
Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
And Jesse was supposed to die season 1. Kind of makes you wonder what the show was supposed to be like.He wasn't even supposed to be a character. In one episode, Saul had a small scene doing something to advance the plot, but Bob Odenkirk had a scheduling conflict, so they invented Mike Ehrmantraut to do whatever it was on behalf of Saul. But then Jonathan Banks was kind of awesome as Mike, so they made him a recurring character.Yup. Sad to see him go
Ned Ryerson
Footballguy
Sepinwall interview with Gilligan/Cranston reasonably entertaining, mostly some mutual **** sucking between the creator/lead actor.
http://www.hitfix.com/whats-alan-watching/breaking-bad-bryan-cranston-and-vince-gilligan-look-back-before-the-final-season-begins/1
One bit of information that I thought was interesting is that in the penultimate episode of S4, Bryan Cranston did not know that Walt poisoned Brock as he had not received the FACE OFF script. He played the scene straight, wondering why Walt would poison a child.
I guess that surprises me a bit, but probably makes me less impressed with Cranston's performance in that scene. Getting in his character's head, he thought he was innocent, and there was no subtext that his character was lying, which I always presumed there was and that Cranston was playing a liar like an innocent rather than someone who was merely denying something that he did not do.
http://www.hitfix.com/whats-alan-watching/breaking-bad-bryan-cranston-and-vince-gilligan-look-back-before-the-final-season-begins/1
One bit of information that I thought was interesting is that in the penultimate episode of S4, Bryan Cranston did not know that Walt poisoned Brock as he had not received the FACE OFF script. He played the scene straight, wondering why Walt would poison a child.
I guess that surprises me a bit, but probably makes me less impressed with Cranston's performance in that scene. Getting in his character's head, he thought he was innocent, and there was no subtext that his character was lying, which I always presumed there was and that Cranston was playing a liar like an innocent rather than someone who was merely denying something that he did not do.
Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
Why again do people feel Walt is so evil and we shouldn't be pulling for him? Especially before Season 5. Yes, there are some major ego issues, but I think a lot has to do with being awoken by thinking you only have 2 months or less to live. So of course you live a bit more free and think back on your life's regrets and what you are leaving behind. That's the brilliance of the show really.
He begins selling meth solely to make sure his wife, disabled son, and unborn daughter are taken care of.
He kills Krazy 8 because A) he and his cousin were going to kidnap/kill them in the desert and B) he was going to kill Walt, even though Walt was now going to set him free.
He let's Jane die because of Jesse. Walt is loyal and cares about Jesse to a fault up through Salud. Jesse was a meth-head and probably would end up on a bad path anyway, but Jane introduced him to heroin and they were both on a fast-track to OD. Walt wanting to expand the territory lead to Combo's death, but that ambition isn't really a reason to hate him. Drug dealers get killed in turf wars.
Walt felt obvious guilt over Krazy-8, even though it was self-defense and Jane. We know this through conversations with Skyler and the Fly.
Walt was going to kill Tuco, again, because he and Jesse both thought Tuco was going to kill them.
The whole Gayle fiasco, which lead to the issues with Gus, stem solely from his loyalty to Jesse. Initially Jesse is brought back into the fold for different reasons; 1) selfishly not wanting Jesse to rat him out and 2) protecting his family, Hank. Had Saul not convinced Walt that Jesse really was serious about his intentions, Walt would not have plotted to get Gayle out of the lab, and Jesse in. Gus didn't want Jesse. Gus would have killed Jesse. Those dealers were going to Kill Jesse. Walt had no reason to save Jesse other than love/loyalty. He lets Jesse die, and he has $15M to himself and Gayle in the lab. Gus was still in Walt's corner at that point. He saves Jesse and then gets him out of the crosshairs of Gus. Walt correctly surmised that Gus was going to kill him, hunt down Jesse eventually, and give the lab to Gayle. Walt had Gayle killed for self-defense.
Season 4 Walt again makes it clear that Jesse must live if Walt is going to continue to cook. Their loyalty to each other is what causes Gus to try to put a wedge between them. It works. Jesse still has loyalty and will not cook if they kill Walt. Walt, again, only goes after Gus to save his family. Walt is fired, but told that they are going to kill Hank, and that if he interferes Walt's family will be killed (but Walt spared so Jesse will cook?). Instead of sitting on his hands, Walt decides to warn Hank and the DEA, protecting/saving him, and disappearing he and his family. Had Skyler not given Ted all the money, Walt would not have gone after Gus. He only uses the Brock pawn to manipulate Jesse because that is the only way he feels he can get to Gus to ensure that his wife and kids are not killed, as he has already warned Hank.
Where is the fault in Walt's logic up to that point? Why is he so bad and Skyler not a ####? Drug dealing aside, which is not inherently evil, just providing a service.
He begins selling meth solely to make sure his wife, disabled son, and unborn daughter are taken care of.
He kills Krazy 8 because A) he and his cousin were going to kidnap/kill them in the desert and B) he was going to kill Walt, even though Walt was now going to set him free.
He let's Jane die because of Jesse. Walt is loyal and cares about Jesse to a fault up through Salud. Jesse was a meth-head and probably would end up on a bad path anyway, but Jane introduced him to heroin and they were both on a fast-track to OD. Walt wanting to expand the territory lead to Combo's death, but that ambition isn't really a reason to hate him. Drug dealers get killed in turf wars.
Walt felt obvious guilt over Krazy-8, even though it was self-defense and Jane. We know this through conversations with Skyler and the Fly.
Walt was going to kill Tuco, again, because he and Jesse both thought Tuco was going to kill them.
The whole Gayle fiasco, which lead to the issues with Gus, stem solely from his loyalty to Jesse. Initially Jesse is brought back into the fold for different reasons; 1) selfishly not wanting Jesse to rat him out and 2) protecting his family, Hank. Had Saul not convinced Walt that Jesse really was serious about his intentions, Walt would not have plotted to get Gayle out of the lab, and Jesse in. Gus didn't want Jesse. Gus would have killed Jesse. Those dealers were going to Kill Jesse. Walt had no reason to save Jesse other than love/loyalty. He lets Jesse die, and he has $15M to himself and Gayle in the lab. Gus was still in Walt's corner at that point. He saves Jesse and then gets him out of the crosshairs of Gus. Walt correctly surmised that Gus was going to kill him, hunt down Jesse eventually, and give the lab to Gayle. Walt had Gayle killed for self-defense.
Season 4 Walt again makes it clear that Jesse must live if Walt is going to continue to cook. Their loyalty to each other is what causes Gus to try to put a wedge between them. It works. Jesse still has loyalty and will not cook if they kill Walt. Walt, again, only goes after Gus to save his family. Walt is fired, but told that they are going to kill Hank, and that if he interferes Walt's family will be killed (but Walt spared so Jesse will cook?). Instead of sitting on his hands, Walt decides to warn Hank and the DEA, protecting/saving him, and disappearing he and his family. Had Skyler not given Ted all the money, Walt would not have gone after Gus. He only uses the Brock pawn to manipulate Jesse because that is the only way he feels he can get to Gus to ensure that his wife and kids are not killed, as he has already warned Hank.
Where is the fault in Walt's logic up to that point? Why is he so bad and Skyler not a ####? Drug dealing aside, which is not inherently evil, just providing a service.
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badmojo1006
Footballguy
Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
I'm 50%-75% serious. Are those not the direct motivations for those specific actions? If Jesse doesn't go after the dealers and/or Walt doesn't save him, where are we? If Skyler didn't pay Ted, where are we? It would have been more evil/selfish had Walt not saved Jesse, but he did and knew the ####storm that would ensue.
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Good Posting Judge
Footballguy
This is how people ended up in concentration camps.
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
Er, you left out that Walt poisoned that kid with the lily of the valley, which is a reprehensible and indefensible act.
However, in other summaries of the show I have read elsewhere, Gale is often referred to as the innocent of the show who was killed because of circumstances and that he didn't deserve it, but the last time I checked, cooking meth is illegal, so he was hardly an innocent character.
However, in other summaries of the show I have read elsewhere, Gale is often referred to as the innocent of the show who was killed because of circumstances and that he didn't deserve it, but the last time I checked, cooking meth is illegal, so he was hardly an innocent character.
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Michael Brown
Footballguy
I thought he let Jane die out of selfishness. Kinda like Tony smothering Christufah in the car, Walt's life becomes 10,000 times easier if Jane is out of the way.
Ramsay Hunt Experience
Footballguy
I don't think that's true. From the beginning. I actually wasn't sold on Breaking Bad until the episode that introduced Dark Matter. Mostly because I don't think I could have accepted the idea that Walter White goes from "Mr. Chips to Scarface" solely by virtue of circumstance and coincidence. Dark Matter made Walter real to me, but it acknowledged that he ALWAYS had an out. He could have taken the job and gotten coverage. He could have swallowed his pride. But he didn't. Because it wasn't really about his family. It was about his own deep seated feelings of inadequacy.
Walter saw himself (and sees himself) as an unacknowledged genius. And he stays in the meth game, even when he's had several chances to quit, because the enterprise fuels that side of him. I can find elements of Walter to be relatable, and even sympathetic, but I don't see how you can relate to him and hate Skyler. The only explanation for it is the deep strain of misogyny that I see in so many television threads around here.
Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
Well, Skyler gave their money away, so instead of them having new identities, Gus was going to kill them. My wife and 2 kids vs anybody else, anybody else loses. I'm not saying it was "right" just that there are some actions of Walt's that are forced by circumstance. Was there a better plan to get Jesse into the fold? Maybe, but there wasn't much time.
I think Walt legitimately cares(d) for Jesse, especially in the earlier seasons. Letting Jane die may have served more than one purpose, but Walt got Jesse into rehab and felt guilt over her death, so I think the motivation was mostly for Jesse's benefit.
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BustedKnuckles
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You guys HAVE to see what someone ''drew '' on the back of a mini van in the dirt...WOW
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Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
But all those feeling rise to the surface because of the cancer. If he doesn't get cancer and feel wholly inadequate when reflecting on his life, then he doesn't break bad.
I agree there is a hint of misogyny and rooting for the "bad guy" who goes from nerd to tough, but if Skyler doesn't payoff Ted, or maybe she talks to Walt about the situation, they are safe and he doesn't poison Brock or kill Gus.
There was no reason to save Jesse from those dealers other than caring about Jesse. If he doesn't do that one action, Jesse is dead, Gayle is in the lab, and he cooks for $15M a year without worrying about things.
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
Good Posting Judge
Footballguy
I agree with RHE.
And I love this show, but some of you guys weird me out.
And I love this show, but some of you guys weird me out.
Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
Sometimes they do. Sometimes they don't.
Letting Jane die is probably the worst one. He just sits there and watches when he could have prevented it. I was just presenting the other side.
Brock is pretty repulsive obviously. But his entire family was threatened, and you have to believe that Walt knew the odds were that Brock would be fine. What do you do when you realize your actions threaten the lives of your wife, teenage son, and infant daughter? Whatever it takes, I presume. If Walt had the money, that scenario doesn't play out. Maybe worse things happen after they get away, but he doesn't poison Brock.
Is there anybody willing to argue that Walt should have let Jesse die or that his motivations for saving Jesse were something other than caring for him? If Walt doesn't do that, the show gets pretty boring.
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