Buffalo Safety-Damar Hamlin is awake and **Bills at Bengals** Game has been Canceled (1 Viewer)

[Todem]

If anyone assumes that I am insensitive to the entire situation, I would submit that you are mistaken. Last night was horrible freak accident, and we all wish DHam a full recovery. My prayers for him have been heartfelt. You are perfectly welcome to accuse me of being old-fashioned....I don't deny that, nor would I change it.

That being said, I cannot be dishonest with myself by pretending to be happy with the NFL's decision. Oh, I understand why....I just disagree with it. Sometimes life is difficult, and throws great challenges your way. Hardships must be overcome by stepping up and finishing the job at hand, if at all possible. This is what men have done since the dawn of time, and I believe that abondoning this mentality sets a really bad precedent for the whole of American society. Imho, we must stop making decisions based largely on emotionalism. Let's at least get a positive out of this tragedy by showing our young boys that, sometimes in life, men must and will carry on....and then process later.

Is a football game more important than someone's life? Of course not....that is asinine....and it's also a logical fallacy. I can't and won't speak for DHam, but were it me in that position, I would desire that my team carry on and finish the battle for me and the fans.

Keep fighting DHam!

I understand where you are coming from.......but there were grown men. Warriors....crying like babies last night. This was truly different. One of their brothers was lying on the field.....not breathing. Having CPR administered. There was no way the Bills had the frame of mind to continue last night. In fact I say that could be incredibly dangerous. This game is all about your mental state to compete at the highest level. What happened last night was unprecedented. This was not a broken neck situation, spinal injury, neurological injury like we see and have seen. This was a player who was not breathing and never regained conscience.

We are talking unprecedented stuff here.

This is not a case of men being soft. This is a case of men being human beings.

 

[zed2283]

If anyone assumes that I am insensitive to the entire situation, I would submit that you are mistaken. Last night was horrible freak accident, and we all wish DHam a full recovery. My prayers for him have been heartfelt. You are perfectly welcome to accuse me of being old-fashioned....I don't deny that, nor would I change it.

That being said, I cannot be dishonest with myself by pretending to be happy with the NFL's decision. Oh, I understand why....I just disagree with it. Sometimes life is difficult, and throws great challenges your way. Hardships must be overcome by stepping up and finishing the job at hand, if at all possible. This is what men have done since the dawn of time, and I believe that abondoning this mentality sets a really bad precedent for the whole of American society. Imho, we must stop making decisions based largely on emotionalism. Let's at least get a positive out of this tragedy by showing our young boys that, sometimes in life, men must and will carry on....and then process later.

Is a football game more important than someone's life? Of course not....that is asinine....and it's also a logical fallacy. I can't and won't speak for DHam, but were it me in that position, I would desire that my team carry on and finish the battle for me and the fans.

Keep fighting DHam!

I understand where you are coming from.......but there were grown men. Warriors....crying like babies last night. This was truly different. One of their brothers was lying on the field.....not breathing. Having CPR administered. There was no way the Bills had the frame of mind to continue last night. In fact I say that could be incredibly dangerous. This game is all about your mental state to compete at the highest level. What happened last night was unprecedented. This was not a broken neck situation, spinal injury, neurological injury like we see and have seen. This was a player who was not breathing and never regained conscience.

We are talking unprecedented stuff here.

This is not a case of men being soft. This is a case of men being human beings.

I think it's almost impossible that they could have continued play last night. But rescheduling for today, especially after knowing his status, seems reasonable.

 

[Anarchy99]

Crediting BUF with a forefit/loss, to me, is the simplest (and probably) fairest thing to do. You'd go into Week 18 with KC still having to win to get the number one seed. If they do....BUF essentially gets (because they only played so little last night) two weeks off before a First Round home game. If KC doesn't win...... BUF still has the ability to win the Conference.

If the Bills forfeit, and the Bengals are credited with a win, the Bills would need to beat the Patriots and have both KC and the Bengals to lose in week 18., not just KC. The Bengals win over the Bills puts the Bengals into the 2 seed and the Bills into the 3 seed, as the Bengals would have the H2H forfeit win. If Bills and Bengals win week 18 in this scenario, and the Chiefs lose, it's a 3-way tie at 13-4, with Bengals having H2H tiebreaker over both Bills and KC, and thus home field advantage.

A tie / no-contest would leave the Bills as the 2 seed and Bengals as the 3 seed, as the Bills would have the better record.

There really aren't any fair scenarios here, absent playing the game out.

The bolded is only true if both BUF and CIN both win or both lose this week. If NE beats BUF and CIN beats BAL, they would finish tied and CIN would win the tiebreaker for the 2 seed. If that was the outcome, #2 CIN would host #7 NE while #3 BUF would host #6 BAL.

I don't see much chance of the game being credited as a forfeit. IMO, the league would probably just ignore it and say each team played 16 games. The only way a forfeit enters the picture would be if the Bills simply refuse to finish the game and the Bengals push for getting credit for a win. I don't see that happening.

 

[Todem]

If anyone assumes that I am insensitive to the entire situation, I would submit that you are mistaken. Last night was horrible freak accident, and we all wish DHam a full recovery. My prayers for him have been heartfelt. You are perfectly welcome to accuse me of being old-fashioned....I don't deny that, nor would I change it.

That being said, I cannot be dishonest with myself by pretending to be happy with the NFL's decision. Oh, I understand why....I just disagree with it. Sometimes life is difficult, and throws great challenges your way. Hardships must be overcome by stepping up and finishing the job at hand, if at all possible. This is what men have done since the dawn of time, and I believe that abondoning this mentality sets a really bad precedent for the whole of American society. Imho, we must stop making decisions based largely on emotionalism. Let's at least get a positive out of this tragedy by showing our young boys that, sometimes in life, men must and will carry on....and then process later.

Is a football game more important than someone's life? Of course not....that is asinine....and it's also a logical fallacy. I can't and won't speak for DHam, but were it me in that position, I would desire that my team carry on and finish the battle for me and the fans.

Keep fighting DHam!

I understand where you are coming from.......but there were grown men. Warriors....crying like babies last night. This was truly different. One of their brothers was lying on the field.....not breathing. Having CPR administered. There was no way the Bills had the frame of mind to continue last night. In fact I say that could be incredibly dangerous. This game is all about your mental state to compete at the highest level. What happened last night was unprecedented. This was not a broken neck situation, spinal injury, neurological injury like we see and have seen. This was a player who was not breathing and never regained conscience.

We are talking unprecedented stuff here.

This is not a case of men being soft. This is a case of men being human beings.

I think it's almost impossible that they could have continued play last night. But rescheduling for today, especially after knowing his status, seems reasonable.

I fully expect this game to played. Just a matter of how they will do it. I don’t think you can award the Bengals a win on this. That would also set a terrible precedent. They can easily play the game week 19, push the Super Bowl up instead of the traditional 2 weeks off. They used to have only a week for a short time before going back to the two week hype machine.

No reason they can’t do that again. And they need to say what is going to happen before this weekend so all the other playoff and potential playoff teams can figure out what they want to do player wise.

 

[matttyl]

Don’t they have to make a decision on this game, and if/how it will be counted prior to the week 18 games being played?

Otherwise it’s just them making it up as they go - which they are.

 

[Anarchy99]

Don’t they have to make a decision on this game, and if/how it will be counted prior to the week 18 games being played?

I posted the same thing a little while ago.

 

[ZADO]

What happens during commotio cordis?

Commotio cordis typically involves young, predominantly male, athletes in whom a sudden, blunt, nonpenetrating and innocuous-appearing trauma to the anterior chest results in cardiac arrest and sudden death from ventricular fibrillation.

Can you survive commotio cordis?


Resuscitation within 3 minutes resulted in a survival rate of 25% (17 of 68 cases). Survival drops to 3% when resuscitation is delayed beyond 3 minutes. Survival of commotio cordis has risen from 10% to 15% since 2001. Reduced ventricular ejection fraction has been identified in some commotio cordis survivors.

 

[Grigs Allmoon]

Crediting BUF with a forefit/loss, to me, is the simplest (and probably) fairest thing to do. You'd go into Week 18 with KC still having to win to get the number one seed. If they do....BUF essentially gets (because they only played so little last night) two weeks off before a First Round home game. If KC doesn't win...... BUF still has the ability to win the Conference.

If the Bills forfeit, and the Bengals are credited with a win, the Bills would need to beat the Patriots and have both KC and the Bengals to lose in week 18., not just KC. The Bengals win over the Bills puts the Bengals into the 2 seed and the Bills into the 3 seed, as the Bengals would have the H2H forfeit win. If Bills and Bengals win week 18 in this scenario, and the Chiefs lose, it's a 3-way tie at 13-4, with Bengals having H2H tiebreaker over both Bills and KC, and thus home field advantage.

A tie / no-contest would leave the Bills as the 2 seed and Bengals as the 3 seed, as the Bills would have the better record.

There really aren't any fair scenarios here, absent playing the game out.

The bolded is only true if both BUF and CIN both win or both lose this week. If NE beats BUF and CIN beats BAL, they would finish tied and CIN would win the tiebreaker for the 2 seed. If that was the outcome, #2 CIN would host #7 NE while #3 BUF would host #6 BAL.

I don't see much chance of the game being credited as a forfeit. IMO, the league would probably just ignore it and say each team played 16 games. The only way a forfeit enters the picture would be if the Bills simply refuse to finish the game and the Bengals push for getting credit for a win. I don't see that happening.

Pretty sure he meant the standings as of now (or leading into week 18), if the NFL rules the Buf/Cin game a tie, or no-contest.

And, like you said before, they really need to make that decision before week 18 starts.

 

[Penguin]

I can't even imagine how the Bills and Bengals teams will be able to prepare for Sunday

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Apparently the “5 mins” thing reached Joe Buck, and he’s not having it.

https://twitter.com/dvnjr/status/1610354785114329088?s=46&t=ZPE17ywMuS0zm6k0f0qe3Q

It was an unprecedented event, one where a human life was (and still is) in question. Who cares where the 5 minute thing came from? Seems really insignificant thing for anyone to be concerned about.

I agree with you.

I’m just reporting an update - apparently ESPN very much cares and is now accusing the NFL of throwing them under the bus/leaving them out to dry for it.

Try not to shoot the messenger.

 

[ChiefD]

For those who believe the NFL is rigged/influenced this weekend is your biggest test of proof. The cleanest way for the NFL to not have to play last night is if:

Chiefs win
Bills lose
Bengals lose
Ravens lose

edit to add: I forgot to see that the Bengals haven't clinched the division yet. So maybe not as clean as I think. Unless the Ravens lose too. Added that to the list.

 

[sho nuff]

For those who believe the NFL is rigged/influenced this weekend is your biggest test of proof. The cleanest way for the NFL to not have to play last night is if:

Chiefs win
Bills lose
Bengals lose

Also could be likely anyway given the mental aspect for the Bills and Bengals and how they can even try to get prepared for a game this week.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Apparently the “5 mins” thing reached Joe Buck, and he’s not having it.

https://twitter.com/dvnjr/status/1610354785114329088?s=46&t=ZPE17ywMuS0zm6k0f0qe3Q

I wish this wasn't a part of the story
ESPN covers MNF, without opening Pandora's Box, safe to say a lot of people take issue with their entire approach.
If they didn't broadcast any of the 4 major sports live, not sure what their ratings would truly be.
"The 6" just as an example failed miserably

All that said, I felt they did as well as they could under the circumstances.
Suzy Kolber was very sad and upset, Booger was no help but Adam Schefter did step out there and take charge in that studio and was the first person i remember saying "This game cannot go on tonight" and maybe I'm paraphrasing, he was careful with his words but he was ADAMANT in a way that others were not willing to go.

I don't see why people want to gaslight ESPN, Goodell and try and be detectives trying to find out exact words and communications last night, they did the best they could and Hamlin received top notch medical care immediately, they had an ambulance and all the necessary tools to keep him alive on the field and get him into the ambulance.

If anything, the first responders should be commended and i know you feel that way and are just reporting and bringing the SP good info
Thanks HSG

 

[Grigs Allmoon]

Looking at the standings... If the crazy scenario where they finish this game in week 19 and push playoffs doesn't happen that means the Ravens also lost their chance at winning the division - if this just ends up as a no-contest.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

I fully expect this game to played. Just a matter of how they will do it. I don’t think you can award the Bengals a win on this. That would also set a terrible precedent. They can easily play the game week 19, push the Super Bowl up instead of the traditional 2 weeks off. They used to have only a week for a short time before going back to the two week hype machine.

No reason they can’t do that again. And they need to say what is going to happen before this weekend so all the other playoff and potential playoff teams can figure out what they want to do player wise.

The game has been canceled without any plans to restart it
Unless you have different information from things I have been reading

 

[Anarchy99]

I fully expect this game to played. Just a matter of how they will do it. I don’t think you can award the Bengals a win on this. That would also set a terrible precedent. They can easily play the game week 19, push the Super Bowl up instead of the traditional 2 weeks off. They used to have only a week for a short time before going back to the two week hype machine.

No reason they can’t do that again. And they need to say what is going to happen before this weekend so all the other playoff and potential playoff teams can figure out what they want to do player wise.

The game has been canceled without any plans to restart it
Unless you have different information from things I have been reading

I believe the official version is the game has temporarily been suspended, it will not be completed before Week 18, and no determination has been made beyond that.

 

[derek245583]

For those who believe the NFL is rigged/influenced this weekend is your biggest test of proof. The cleanest way for the NFL to not have to play last night is if:

Chiefs win
Bills lose
Bengals lose
Ravens lose

edit to add: I forgot to see that the Bengals haven't clinched the division yet. So maybe not as clean as I think. Unless the Ravens lose too. Added that to the list.

Bengals and Ravens play each other so that is unlikely

 

[Stinkin Ref]

I fully expect this game to played. Just a matter of how they will do it. I don’t think you can award the Bengals a win on this. That would also set a terrible precedent. They can easily play the game week 19, push the Super Bowl up instead of the traditional 2 weeks off. They used to have only a week for a short time before going back to the two week hype machine.

No reason they can’t do that again. And they need to say what is going to happen before this weekend so all the other playoff and potential playoff teams can figure out what they want to do player wise.

The game has been canceled without any plans to restart it
Unless you have different information from things I have been reading

Technically.... I think currently the game has been "postponed" not "cancelled"......postponed usually includes "with intent to resume"

 

[Pigskin Fanatic]

edit to add: I forgot to see that the Bengals haven't clinched the division yet. So maybe not as clean as I think. Unless the Ravens lose too. Added that to the list.

this is the reason i think they HAVE TO announce whether the game is canceled or not. mathematically speaking, if they cancel the game altogether and CIN & BUF end the season with 17 games each, then Cinci won the div at 1.5 games ahead of Balt. It actually is like a tie. Of course if Cinci beats them this weekend then this too is no issue, but Cinci likely would have sat their starters had they won yesterday.

 

[Stinkin Ref]

another small factor is KC now plays Saturday instead of Sunday......

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Crediting BUF with a forefit/loss, to me, is the simplest (and probably) fairest thing to do. You'd go into Week 18 with KC still having to win to get the number one seed. If they do....BUF essentially gets (because they only played so little last night) two weeks off before a First Round home game. If KC doesn't win...... BUF still has the ability to win the Conference.

If the Bills forfeit, and the Bengals are credited with a win, the Bills would need to beat the Patriots and have both KC and the Bengals to lose in week 18., not just KC. The Bengals win over the Bills puts the Bengals into the 2 seed and the Bills into the 3 seed, as the Bengals would have the H2H forfeit win. If Bills and Bengals win week 18 in this scenario, and the Chiefs lose, it's a 3-way tie at 13-4, with Bengals having H2H tiebreaker over both Bills and KC, and thus home field advantage.

A tie / no-contest would leave the Bills as the 2 seed and Bengals as the 3 seed, as the Bills would have the better record.

There really aren't any fair scenarios here, absent playing the game out.

I don't think a win or a loss should be awarded to either team

From my understanding the NFL is going to run with Win% vs straight record because of this game

KC 13-3...81%
BUF 12-3...80%

I'm just repeating what i hear, maybe this is total horse **** but my understanding is Win% for the seeding
Who or where they come up with this stuff, I have no idea

 

[Ministry of Pain]

I fully expect this game to played. Just a matter of how they will do it. I don’t think you can award the Bengals a win on this. That would also set a terrible precedent. They can easily play the game week 19, push the Super Bowl up instead of the traditional 2 weeks off. They used to have only a week for a short time before going back to the two week hype machine.

No reason they can’t do that again. And they need to say what is going to happen before this weekend so all the other playoff and potential playoff teams can figure out what they want to do player wise.

The game has been canceled without any plans to restart it
Unless you have different information from things I have been reading

I believe the official version is the game has temporarily been suspended, it will not be completed before Week 18, and no determination has been made beyond that.

No plans to resume it this week in my mind means canceled

If you're understanding is different, all good, i'm not trying to be right

 

[zed2283]

Crediting BUF with a forefit/loss, to me, is the simplest (and probably) fairest thing to do. You'd go into Week 18 with KC still having to win to get the number one seed. If they do....BUF essentially gets (because they only played so little last night) two weeks off before a First Round home game. If KC doesn't win...... BUF still has the ability to win the Conference.

If the Bills forfeit, and the Bengals are credited with a win, the Bills would need to beat the Patriots and have both KC and the Bengals to lose in week 18., not just KC. The Bengals win over the Bills puts the Bengals into the 2 seed and the Bills into the 3 seed, as the Bengals would have the H2H forfeit win. If Bills and Bengals win week 18 in this scenario, and the Chiefs lose, it's a 3-way tie at 13-4, with Bengals having H2H tiebreaker over both Bills and KC, and thus home field advantage.

A tie / no-contest would leave the Bills as the 2 seed and Bengals as the 3 seed, as the Bills would have the better record.

There really aren't any fair scenarios here, absent playing the game out.

I don't think a win or a loss should be awarded to either team

From my understanding the NFL is going to run with Win% vs straight record because of this game

KC 13-3...81%
BUF 12-3...80%

I'm just repeating what i hear, maybe this is total horse **** but my understanding is Win% for the seeding
Who or where they come up with this stuff, I have no idea

Winning % is probably the official way anyhow.

 

[Anarchy99]

Crediting BUF with a forefit/loss, to me, is the simplest (and probably) fairest thing to do. You'd go into Week 18 with KC still having to win to get the number one seed. If they do....BUF essentially gets (because they only played so little last night) two weeks off before a First Round home game. If KC doesn't win...... BUF still has the ability to win the Conference.

If the Bills forfeit, and the Bengals are credited with a win, the Bills would need to beat the Patriots and have both KC and the Bengals to lose in week 18., not just KC. The Bengals win over the Bills puts the Bengals into the 2 seed and the Bills into the 3 seed, as the Bengals would have the H2H forfeit win. If Bills and Bengals win week 18 in this scenario, and the Chiefs lose, it's a 3-way tie at 13-4, with Bengals having H2H tiebreaker over both Bills and KC, and thus home field advantage.

A tie / no-contest would leave the Bills as the 2 seed and Bengals as the 3 seed, as the Bills would have the better record.

There really aren't any fair scenarios here, absent playing the game out.

I don't think a win or a loss should be awarded to either team

From my understanding the NFL is going to run with Win% vs straight record because of this game

KC 13-3...81%
BUF 12-3...80%

I'm just repeating what i hear, maybe this is total horse **** but my understanding is Win% for the seeding
Who or where they come up with this stuff, I have no idea

Yes, the rules state that when an unequal amount of games are played, winning percentage will be used to determine standings and seedlings. However, we are still a ways away from concluding the regular season with an unbalanced number of completed games.

 

[ignatiusjreilly]

Is there a difference between declaring the game a tie and declaring that it never happened and both teams will have a 16-game season? I thought I remembered hearing once that the NFL technically counts ties as half a win. If that's true, then a team that went 12-4-1 would have a slightly different winning percentage (0.735) than one that went 12-4 (0.75).

ETA: I just checked and Indy's WP% is 0.281, which is consistent with the tie counting as half a win (4.5/16 = 0.281, whereas 4/15 = 0.267). Doubt there would be a scenario where that would make a difference, given the extremely small sample size, but I suspect that if the game doesn't get completed, it's as if it never happened.

 

[Grigs Allmoon]

Crediting BUF with a forefit/loss, to me, is the simplest (and probably) fairest thing to do. You'd go into Week 18 with KC still having to win to get the number one seed. If they do....BUF essentially gets (because they only played so little last night) two weeks off before a First Round home game. If KC doesn't win...... BUF still has the ability to win the Conference.

If the Bills forfeit, and the Bengals are credited with a win, the Bills would need to beat the Patriots and have both KC and the Bengals to lose in week 18., not just KC. The Bengals win over the Bills puts the Bengals into the 2 seed and the Bills into the 3 seed, as the Bengals would have the H2H forfeit win. If Bills and Bengals win week 18 in this scenario, and the Chiefs lose, it's a 3-way tie at 13-4, with Bengals having H2H tiebreaker over both Bills and KC, and thus home field advantage.

A tie / no-contest would leave the Bills as the 2 seed and Bengals as the 3 seed, as the Bills would have the better record.

There really aren't any fair scenarios here, absent playing the game out.

I don't think a win or a loss should be awarded to either team

From my understanding the NFL is going to run with Win% vs straight record because of this game

KC 13-3...81%
BUF 12-3...80%

I'm just repeating what i hear, maybe this is total horse **** but my understanding is Win% for the seeding
Who or where they come up with this stuff, I have no idea

Not sure where you're getting that. They've always went by games, where a tie is half a win and half a loss.

So...

9-8 is the same as 8-7-2. Those are not the same win%, though.

 

[Grigs Allmoon]

Yes, the rules state that when an unequal amount of games are played, winning percentage will be used to determine standings and seedlings.

Oh, that's interesting. I didn't know that little caveat.

 

[Anarchy99]

I fully expect this game to played. Just a matter of how they will do it. I don’t think you can award the Bengals a win on this. That would also set a terrible precedent. They can easily play the game week 19, push the Super Bowl up instead of the traditional 2 weeks off. They used to have only a week for a short time before going back to the two week hype machine.

No reason they can’t do that again. And they need to say what is going to happen before this weekend so all the other playoff and potential playoff teams can figure out what they want to do player wise.

The game has been canceled without any plans to restart it
Unless you have different information from things I have been reading

I believe the official version is the game has temporarily been suspended, it will not be completed before Week 18, and no determination has been made beyond that.

No plans to resume it this week in my mind means canceled

If you're understanding is different, all good, i'm not trying to be right

If they had no interest in completing the game, they would have said that. They said the game will not be completed before Week 18. By issuing such a statement, I conclude there is at least some interest or possible intent to finish the game after Week 18. Or else they would just say the game will not be completed. Period, end of story.

 

[Anarchy99]

Yes, the rules state that when an unequal amount of games are played, winning percentage will be used to determine standings and seedlings.

Oh, that's interesting. I didn't know that little caveat.

Yeah, the history of the league is a bit odd. Back in the day, teams regularly played a different number of games. And in the early days, IIRC, ties were not calculated as half a win. But that was all 90-100 years ago.

 

[Grigs Allmoon]

I fully expect this game to played. Just a matter of how they will do it. I don’t think you can award the Bengals a win on this. That would also set a terrible precedent. They can easily play the game week 19, push the Super Bowl up instead of the traditional 2 weeks off. They used to have only a week for a short time before going back to the two week hype machine.

No reason they can’t do that again. And they need to say what is going to happen before this weekend so all the other playoff and potential playoff teams can figure out what they want to do player wise.

The game has been canceled without any plans to restart it
Unless you have different information from things I have been reading

I believe the official version is the game has temporarily been suspended, it will not be completed before Week 18, and no determination has been made beyond that.

No plans to resume it this week in my mind means canceled

If you're understanding is different, all good, i'm not trying to be right

If they had no interest in completing the game, they would have said that. They said the game will not be completed before Week 18. By issuing such a statement, I conclude there is at least some interest or possible intent to finish the game after Week 18. Or else they would just say the game will not be completed. Period, end of story.

Agreed. I'm guessing they are weighing/discussing the logistics of pushing the 3 rounds of playoffs. Not sure there are any other viable options.

 

[ChiefD]

For those who believe the NFL is rigged/influenced this weekend is your biggest test of proof. The cleanest way for the NFL to not have to play last night is if:

Chiefs win
Bills lose
Bengals lose
Ravens lose

edit to add: I forgot to see that the Bengals haven't clinched the division yet. So maybe not as clean as I think. Unless the Ravens lose too. Added that to the list.

Bengals and Ravens play each other so that is unlikely

Yep. missed that important detail. Dammit. So much for that theory.

 

[Todem]

I fully expect this game to played. Just a matter of how they will do it. I don’t think you can award the Bengals a win on this. That would also set a terrible precedent. They can easily play the game week 19, push the Super Bowl up instead of the traditional 2 weeks off. They used to have only a week for a short time before going back to the two week hype machine.

No reason they can’t do that again. And they need to say what is going to happen before this weekend so all the other playoff and potential playoff teams can figure out what they want to do player wise.

The game has been canceled without any plans to restart it
Unless you have different information from things I have been reading

Just spitballing and giving an opinion on how the league may proceed. Nothing official has been announced by the league.

 

[zed2283]

Some good info here.

How does the NFL handle a suspended game? | Football Zebras

The NFL has never suspended a game to resume at a later date.

www.footballzebras.com

 

[Stinkin Ref]

IMO....they say the game is still in a "postponed" state and may or may not be played if needed after week 18....they see what happens Saturday with the Chiefs and then what happens on Sunday.....

sure teams would maybe "like" to know ahead of this weekend what the plan is, but it is not necessarily something they are "entitled" too......they just have to keep playing and deal with it....

 

[zed2283]

Crediting BUF with a forefit/loss, to me, is the simplest (and probably) fairest thing to do. You'd go into Week 18 with KC still having to win to get the number one seed. If they do....BUF essentially gets (because they only played so little last night) two weeks off before a First Round home game. If KC doesn't win...... BUF still has the ability to win the Conference.

If the Bills forfeit, and the Bengals are credited with a win, the Bills would need to beat the Patriots and have both KC and the Bengals to lose in week 18., not just KC. The Bengals win over the Bills puts the Bengals into the 2 seed and the Bills into the 3 seed, as the Bengals would have the H2H forfeit win. If Bills and Bengals win week 18 in this scenario, and the Chiefs lose, it's a 3-way tie at 13-4, with Bengals having H2H tiebreaker over both Bills and KC, and thus home field advantage.

A tie / no-contest would leave the Bills as the 2 seed and Bengals as the 3 seed, as the Bills would have the better record.

There really aren't any fair scenarios here, absent playing the game out.

I don't think a win or a loss should be awarded to either team

From my understanding the NFL is going to run with Win% vs straight record because of this game

KC 13-3...81%
BUF 12-3...80%

I'm just repeating what i hear, maybe this is total horse **** but my understanding is Win% for the seeding
Who or where they come up with this stuff, I have no idea

Not sure where you're getting that. They've always went by games, where a tie is half a win and half a loss.

So...

9-8 is the same as 8-7-2. Those are not the same win%, though.

Those are the exact same winning %.

 

[-OZ-]

I fully expect this game to played. Just a matter of how they will do it. I don’t think you can award the Bengals a win on this. That would also set a terrible precedent. They can easily play the game week 19, push the Super Bowl up instead of the traditional 2 weeks off. They used to have only a week for a short time before going back to the two week hype machine.

No reason they can’t do that again. And they need to say what is going to happen before this weekend so all the other playoff and potential playoff teams can figure out what they want to do player wise.

The game has been canceled without any plans to restart it
Unless you have different information from things I have been reading

I believe the official version is the game has temporarily been suspended, it will not be completed before Week 18, and no determination has been made beyond that.

No plans to resume it this week in my mind means canceled

If you're understanding is different, all good, i'm not trying to be right

If they had no interest in completing the game, they would have said that. They said the game will not be completed before Week 18. By issuing such a statement, I conclude there is at least some interest or possible intent to finish the game after Week 18. Or else they would just say the game will not be completed. Period, end of story.

I took it simply as they haven’t made that decision. Leave that option open while they figure out logistics, then assess. So, some interest of course but wouldn’t depend on it.

 

[-OZ-]

Crediting BUF with a forefit/loss, to me, is the simplest (and probably) fairest thing to do. You'd go into Week 18 with KC still having to win to get the number one seed. If they do....BUF essentially gets (because they only played so little last night) two weeks off before a First Round home game. If KC doesn't win...... BUF still has the ability to win the Conference.

If the Bills forfeit, and the Bengals are credited with a win, the Bills would need to beat the Patriots and have both KC and the Bengals to lose in week 18., not just KC. The Bengals win over the Bills puts the Bengals into the 2 seed and the Bills into the 3 seed, as the Bengals would have the H2H forfeit win. If Bills and Bengals win week 18 in this scenario, and the Chiefs lose, it's a 3-way tie at 13-4, with Bengals having H2H tiebreaker over both Bills and KC, and thus home field advantage.

A tie / no-contest would leave the Bills as the 2 seed and Bengals as the 3 seed, as the Bills would have the better record.

There really aren't any fair scenarios here, absent playing the game out.

I don't think a win or a loss should be awarded to either team

From my understanding the NFL is going to run with Win% vs straight record because of this game

KC 13-3...81%
BUF 12-3...80%

I'm just repeating what i hear, maybe this is total horse **** but my understanding is Win% for the seeding
Who or where they come up with this stuff, I have no idea

Not sure where you're getting that. They've always went by games, where a tie is half a win and half a loss.

So...

9-8 is the same as 8-7-2. Those are not the same win%, though.

Those are the exact same winning %.

9-8 is 52.9%, 8-7-2 is 53.3%, so slightly better. Not enough for it to matter usually.

 

[matttyl]

Just saw the MFL has removed all points/stats from last nights game

 

[Anarchy99]

Crediting BUF with a forefit/loss, to me, is the simplest (and probably) fairest thing to do. You'd go into Week 18 with KC still having to win to get the number one seed. If they do....BUF essentially gets (because they only played so little last night) two weeks off before a First Round home game. If KC doesn't win...... BUF still has the ability to win the Conference.

If the Bills forfeit, and the Bengals are credited with a win, the Bills would need to beat the Patriots and have both KC and the Bengals to lose in week 18., not just KC. The Bengals win over the Bills puts the Bengals into the 2 seed and the Bills into the 3 seed, as the Bengals would have the H2H forfeit win. If Bills and Bengals win week 18 in this scenario, and the Chiefs lose, it's a 3-way tie at 13-4, with Bengals having H2H tiebreaker over both Bills and KC, and thus home field advantage.

A tie / no-contest would leave the Bills as the 2 seed and Bengals as the 3 seed, as the Bills would have the better record.

There really aren't any fair scenarios here, absent playing the game out.

I don't think a win or a loss should be awarded to either team

From my understanding the NFL is going to run with Win% vs straight record because of this game

KC 13-3...81%
BUF 12-3...80%

I'm just repeating what i hear, maybe this is total horse **** but my understanding is Win% for the seeding
Who or where they come up with this stuff, I have no idea

Not sure where you're getting that. They've always went by games, where a tie is half a win and half a loss.

So...

9-8 is the same as 8-7-2. Those are not the same win%, though.

Those are the exact same winning %.

9-8 is 52.9%, 8-7-2 is 53.3%, so slightly better. Not enough for it to matter usually.

9-8 = 9 wins in 17 games
8-7-2 = 8 wins + 0.5 win + 0.5 win = 9 wins in 17 games
They are the same record.

 

[fantasycurse42]

Any updates on Damar?

 

[Ministry of Pain]

@Anarchy99
@Grigs Allmoon

Appreciate you both, let me work this out so I am on the same page as you all

-There is no interest in completing the game before Week 18, this Sunday, does MoP have that correct?
Because if so then it sounds like the game was permanently suspended but it feels more like a cancel. I guess you all are saying they can play this game any time they want to reschedule it, in theory? But they are not going to play it today, tomorrow, and I guess if that's the case and not in Week 18 because they have another game they are scheduled...
When then?

The timeline after that is Wildcard Weekend, there are Playoff games that will start at that point, at least one of Cinci/Buff is highly likely to be playing in that opening Wildcard round.

What am I missing here?
I don't see a path back to this game being completed, not this week, not next week, I'm lost I guess where we're going.
And if it is Winning %, I stated where we are KC-81, Buff-80...that's just where we are

13-3
12-3
1 week left

 

[Zow]

Just saw the MFL has removed all points/stats from last nights game

Oddly, yahoo has not and appears to be counting the stats and posting finals.

ETA: Though they have a disclaimer saying they're still deciding.

 

[Steve Tasker]

The bolded is only true if both BUF and CIN both win or both lose this week. If NE beats BUF and CIN beats BAL, they would finish tied and CIN would win the tiebreaker for the 2 seed. If that was the outcome, #2 CIN would host #7 NE while #3 BUF would host #6 BAL.

Right, I just meant Bills would be 2 seed and Bengals would be 3 seed after week 17, going into week 18. That was unclear.

 

[Anarchy99]

@Anarchy99
@Grigs Allmoon

Appreciate you both, let me work this out so I am on the same page as you all

-There is no interest in completing the game before Week 18, this Sunday, does MoP have that correct?
Because if so then it sounds like the game was permanently suspended but it feels more like a cancel. I guess you all are saying they can play this game any time they want to reschedule it, in theory? But they are not going to play it today, tomorrow, and I guess if that's the case and not in Week 18 because they have another game they are scheduled...
When then?

The timeline after that is Wildcard Weekend, there are Playoff games that will start at that point, at least one of Cinci/Buff is highly likely to be playing in that opening Wildcard round.

What am I missing here?
I don't see a path back to this game being completed, not this week, not next week, I'm lost I guess where we're going.
And if it is Winning %, I stated where we are KC-81, Buff-80...that's just where we are

13-3
12-3
1 week left

Let’s make it easy. The NFL has not stated the BUF-CIN will not be completed. Until we get to that point, there is at least some chance they finish the game.

 

[Bri]

As I said last night...they have to stall fans to get security guards in place and whatever exit procedure there is.
The ambulance (good sign btw) didn't rush off but waited for Damar's mother to come down from the stands.
Imagine if they created traffic for the ambulance?

People act poorly when they're upset. Never know what could happen .

It's entirely possibly the five minutes was a (kind hearted well intentioned) ruse for everyone's safety. And maybe the players weren't into the idea of a ruse then or ....really could be anything.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Any updates on Damar?

Very little and I would advise against pulling up Twitter, lot of terribleness that should have nothing to do with Hamlin that is being slung about

No medical updates I am aware of

 

[renesauz]

If the reporting around here is accurate and we won't see a meaningful update on Hamlin for at least another 24 hours, I have to agree that the NFL can not reschedule this game while Hamlin's condition is still critical. This game will be cancelled.

And if he's still critical on Sunday do they cancel that game too?

No. Bad stuff happens. People die. I know I jumped on someone last night for this take, but resuming 5 minutes after it happens and resuming (something approaching) normalcy several days later aren't the same thing.

And if he hasn't shown significant improvement already....he'll almost certainly still be in the ICU come Sunday

 

[ignatiusjreilly]

I fully expect this game to played. Just a matter of how they will do it. I don’t think you can award the Bengals a win on this. That would also set a terrible precedent. They can easily play the game week 19, push the Super Bowl up instead of the traditional 2 weeks off. They used to have only a week for a short time before going back to the two week hype machine.

No reason they can’t do that again. And they need to say what is going to happen before this weekend so all the other playoff and potential playoff teams can figure out what they want to do player wise.

The game has been canceled without any plans to restart it
Unless you have different information from things I have been reading

I believe the official version is the game has temporarily been suspended, it will not be completed before Week 18, and no determination has been made beyond that.

No plans to resume it this week in my mind means canceled

If you're understanding is different, all good, i'm not trying to be right

If they had no interest in completing the game, they would have said that. They said the game will not be completed before Week 18. By issuing such a statement, I conclude there is at least some interest or possible intent to finish the game after Week 18. Or else they would just say the game will not be completed. Period, end of story.

I took it simply as they haven’t made that decision. Leave that option open while they figure out logistics, then assess. So, some interest of course but wouldn’t depend on it.

Agreed. They won't make any decision until they have to. I still have my money on them announcing before Saturday that the game won't be played. The notion of waiting until after Sunday to see if it matters strikes me as a non-starter. For one thing, it will definitely matter at some level. Inconceivable that a game involving the 2 and 3 seeds couldn't have any playoff seeding implications. Second, a conservative institution like the NFL wants to reduce uncertainty. Punting on the decision until next week does the exact opposite.

 

[Terminalxylem]

Dr. David Chao is on the Jim Rome show right now and he said he's cautiously optimistic about Hamlin's recovery. He said it was crucial that the medical staff were able to restore Hamlin's heartbeat and breathing right there on the field (i.e., within seconds).

Agree the bolded is extremely important, but are we sure Hamlin had return of spontaneous circulation in seconds? I was under the impression he required ~10 minutes of CPR.

 

[Obie Wan]

For those who believe the NFL is rigged/influenced this weekend is your biggest test of proof. The cleanest way for the NFL to not have to play last night is if:

Chiefs win
Bills lose
Bengals lose
Ravens lose

edit to add: I forgot to see that the Bengals haven't clinched the division yet. So maybe not as clean as I think. Unless the Ravens lose too. Added that to the list.

or the Chiefs tank and lose on purpose so as not to take unfair adventure of either the Bills or Bengals.