Calling all 2006 Randy Moss owners (1 Viewer)

[Tom Servo]

As an owner of Randy Moss last year, I suffered carrying this dead weight on my roster all of last season. You and I both know the emotions we went through trying to deal with his POS season in 2006.

Given all of that, his trade to New England, and the reports that he seems to be acting like a good teammate (much like Corey Dillon did when he came in)...

Do you draft Randy Moss again in 2007 (assuming good value for your draft slot) or do you shy away? Part of this is the "fool me once..." thing; part of it is wanting to stuff your inclination for making a mistake on passing up on a player who could be a difference maker.

As for me, I'm on the fence right now. How 'bout you?

 

[Micon]

I had moss in a redraft and have him in 2 dynasty leagues, so Im stuck with him in 2 leagues at least. Obviously he was a big disappointment last year but I see him rebounding nicely this year. He cant really get any worse, at least I hope not. He has top 10 WR upside and should be a solid every week WR starter, so I would happily take him on my team again.

 

[jurb26]

I gladly take him again this year.

 

[radballs]

Depends on what you consider to be a good value.

 

[ellisonb11]

i dont want to draft him, i just dont want to have to worry about him.. people im sure will take him higher than i am willing to take him..

 

[Tom Servo]

Depends on what you consider to be a good value.

By that, I mean with respect to your league's scoring, rules versus your projections for him. I was trying to be non-league specific. Obviously, if you're taking him #1 overall in redraft, then I believe you need fitted with that jacket with the extra long sleeves.

 

[lions327]

I didn't own him, but there is no player I will not draft if the value is good, even those who screwed me in the past.

 

[nordstrom24]

The only way I would draft him is if I already had a #1 WR and he was going to be my #2 or #3. Last year grabbed him in the 3rd round in a ten team league as my WR1 and got burned by hanging onto him until around week 10.

If he fell to around 5 or 6 maybe I'd take him, but unless your dealing with Tom Brady it's a pain in the a## dealing with Patriots due to the monkeying around with the injury report that goes on.

 

[massraider]

I didn't own him, but there is no player I will not draft if the value is good, even those who screwed me in the past.

Exactly. Hey, if it's good value, I'll draft anyone.A more interesting question, is does anyone think Moss WILL be a good value pick? I'm guessing not, as I think the excitement about his arrival in New England will make at least one owner per league pull the trigger early.

The Raiders were so awful last year, it's easy to dismiss his 06 performance. Lotta reasonable arguments, on the surface, to expect big things from Moss this year.

I will say, with no objectivity whatsoever , that his performance last year was the worst effort I have ever seen by an NFL player. Few people bothered to watch the Raiders much last year, outside of Raider fans. And who can blame them? But if you just heard about Moss mailing it in, as opposed to watching it, it's easy to not realize how bad it was. There have been a lot of good players on bad teams, but I have never seen a rollover like that. It was deplorable. No way would I want that guy shouldering any kind of load for my fantasy team.

His lack of durability has barely been discussed, as has his loss of speed. I heard that nonsense about him running a 4.2 in New England this summer, that is a myth. He can help that team win, but he could also bicker with Belichick and get benched. They have receivers, they don't need him to be the man, they don't have to coddle him.

But even if he is a good soldier, I doubt he puts up consistent numbers. One week, 3 catches, 100 yards, and a TD, then 3 weeks of nothing. I could easily see that. Fine for a #3 WR, but Moss ain't getting taken 24 WR's into the draft.

 

[wannabee]

I thought I hit the jackpot in my 16 team redrafts last year with Moss as my WR2. Unless he falls out of the top 5 rounds, I will pass. My issue is that I took Moss because of upside and potential, but learned that I needed a solid WR2 instead. The difference in upside was not nearly as large as the difference in downside .... as I found out.

 

[rzrback77]

I had him on a redraft team last year and luckily packaged him in a deal around week six or seven after he had a decent week. I will not automatically avoid him, but there are too many ifs for him to be a value play.

1) All the news in the off season will likely have at least a couple of guys per league willing to take him too high

2) Transfer to a new team usually a small learning curve

3) They have lots of new pieces on the Patriots

4) Its the Patriots and Brady is a master at spreading the ball to all his weapons

 

[CravenM]

I picked at 1.01 last year in a dynasty league (where I dropped to 0) so I got LT and Chester at 2:12 and then took RMoss at 3.01. I still led the scoring for the season but didn't take home the crown.

I've got a good team so I'll be keeping somewhere in the neighborhood of 12 to 14. That said, I'm VERY VERY happy with RMoss on my team. I think he'll average going in the mid 3rd to early 4th of every Redraft and Dynasty league due to the potential.

Most WRs rank 1200 yards and 10 TDs as a great season. RMoss has the potential (not likelihood) to do that in 10 games. Tom Brady has all the skill that Peyton Manning does in every facet of the game - perhaps even more in the "will to win" category. The Patriots have shown that they have the nerve and skill to pass 45 times a game as well as to run 45 times in a game - whatever it takes to win.

Anything could happen during a football season with regards to injuries but I think Moss could easily wind up THE #1 WR this year, not just A #1 WR.

 

[SSOG]

A more interesting question, is does anyone think Moss WILL be a good value pick? I'm guessing not, as I think the excitement about his arrival in New England will make at least one owner per league pull the trigger early.

I agree. I would draft Moss if he fell to a point where he represented good value, but I doubt very much that that's going to happen. This isn't just a comment on how down I am on Moss (I'm really not that down on him- I think at this point he's still got very good skills, but I don't think he has elite skills anymore), but it's also a comment on how wary I am of his injury history (he's very much unlike Owens in that he has shown that he doesn't rehab well), as well as his situation (Stallworth and Welker aren't chopped liver, IMO, and NE has a history of spreading the ball around).

 

[Delusions Of Adequacy]

had Moss the last 2 years. Just dont' want the headache again. There are plenty of other receivers with less upside but more consistency.

 

[jurb26]

A more interesting question, is does anyone think Moss WILL be a good value pick? I'm guessing not, as I think the excitement about his arrival in New England will make at least one owner per league pull the trigger early.

I agree. I would draft Moss if he fell to a point where he represented good value, but I doubt very much that that's going to happen. This isn't just a comment on how down I am on Moss (I'm really not that down on him- I think at this point he's still got very good skills, but I don't think he has elite skills anymore), but it's also a comment on how wary I am of his injury history (he's very much unlike Owens in that he has shown that he doesn't rehab well), as well as his situation (Stallworth and Welker aren't chopped liver, IMO, and NE has a history of spreading the ball around).

I actually expect Moss to provide great value this year. So many people are down on Moss because of the past 2 years which is obvious just reading these boards. I would expect Moss could be had as a WR3 in many drafts this year just out of spite.

 

[Shermanator]

A more interesting question, is does anyone think Moss WILL be a good value pick? I'm guessing not, as I think the excitement about his arrival in New England will make at least one owner per league pull the trigger early.

I agree. I would draft Moss if he fell to a point where he represented good value, but I doubt very much that that's going to happen. This isn't just a comment on how down I am on Moss (I'm really not that down on him- I think at this point he's still got very good skills, but I don't think he has elite skills anymore), but it's also a comment on how wary I am of his injury history (he's very much unlike Owens in that he has shown that he doesn't rehab well), as well as his situation (Stallworth and Welker aren't chopped liver, IMO, and NE has a history of spreading the ball around).

I actually expect Moss to provide great value this year. So many people are down on Moss because of the past 2 years which is obvious just reading these boards. I would expect Moss could be had as a WR3 in many drafts this year just out of spite.

Moss being drafted as a #3 receiver means he lasts til the 5th rd minimum. I dont see any way he lasts in any draft that long. If you want Moss this year, you'll be taking him 3-4th rd. If not even earlier.

 

[Pygmy Marmoset]

A more interesting question, is does anyone think Moss WILL be a good value pick? I'm guessing not, as I think the excitement about his arrival in New England will make at least one owner per league pull the trigger early.

I agree. I would draft Moss if he fell to a point where he represented good value, but I doubt very much that that's going to happen. This isn't just a comment on how down I am on Moss (I'm really not that down on him- I think at this point he's still got very good skills, but I don't think he has elite skills anymore), but it's also a comment on how wary I am of his injury history (he's very much unlike Owens in that he has shown that he doesn't rehab well), as well as his situation (Stallworth and Welker aren't chopped liver, IMO, and NE has a history of spreading the ball around).

I actually expect Moss to provide great value this year. So many people are down on Moss because of the past 2 years which is obvious just reading these boards. I would expect Moss could be had as a WR3 in many drafts this year just out of spite.

Moss being drafted as a #3 receiver means he lasts til the 5th rd minimum. I dont see any way he lasts in any draft that long. If you want Moss this year, you'll be taking him 3-4th rd. If not even earlier.

Depending on the format, I think this is possible at this point. Just before the trade I got him in the 10th of an initial dynasty.

 

[SSOG]

A more interesting question, is does anyone think Moss WILL be a good value pick? I'm guessing not, as I think the excitement about his arrival in New England will make at least one owner per league pull the trigger early.

I agree. I would draft Moss if he fell to a point where he represented good value, but I doubt very much that that's going to happen. This isn't just a comment on how down I am on Moss (I'm really not that down on him- I think at this point he's still got very good skills, but I don't think he has elite skills anymore), but it's also a comment on how wary I am of his injury history (he's very much unlike Owens in that he has shown that he doesn't rehab well), as well as his situation (Stallworth and Welker aren't chopped liver, IMO, and NE has a history of spreading the ball around).

I actually expect Moss to provide great value this year. So many people are down on Moss because of the past 2 years which is obvious just reading these boards. I would expect Moss could be had as a WR3 in many drafts this year just out of spite.

Randy Moss's ADP, according to Footballguys, is WR12, which means unless you go WR-WR-WR, there's no way you're getting him as your #3.I'm not down on Randy Moss because of his past two seasons, although they certainly aren't very encouraging. I'm down on Randy Moss because, as much as New England spreads the ball around, it's going to be awfully tough for him to justify his current ADP.