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[ROCKET]

You'd be smart to seal both the plaster and drywall with a good primer (oil base will work best or if you want to spend $50 a gallon the Benny Moore Calcimine Recoater on the plaster) before you start mudding. If you have scraped down to the drywall paper and it's peeling and loose you need to get the loose stuff off so it doesn't peel when you paint it. If you seal it with primer it helps and also you won't get all that crap in your mud as you skim.

The existing plaster most likely has been painted with a paint containing calcimine at some point back in the day which can prevent the mud from bonding and create issues when you go to paint. Whenever we do skimming over plaster we always use the Benjamin Moore Calcimine Recoater before we start mudding to ensure the mud will bond. You can do 100 jobs and be fine but there's always a few that you will get burned on so we don't take the risk of not sealing the old plaster first. Also don't use that plaster of paris crap, use joint compound. For a newbie like yourself the blue lid lightweight mud would be better than that crappy all purpose green lid stuff.

GL.

 

[parasaurolophus]

Tell her you can't do it. You wouldn't be lying. "Float the wall"

Like it is easy to just put a smooth coat of plaster over an entire wall, with a soffit no less. Jesus. There are guys that have done this their whole life and still suck at it. You would get half a wall done and want to kill yourself. You will certainly kill your mother-in law.

Patch what you can. Hang textured paintable wallpaper. Paint with a flat washable paint. Would I recommend this in a new home? Of course not. But trust me it will look a thousand times better than the ridiculous mess you are about to create.

Or you can ignore this advice and do what you are going to do and take pictures and post along the way so we can all enjoy it.

The last job I ever did like this was a dining room in a country club. It was a nightmare. They wanted it smooth on 90% of the walls and then they had these patches that they wanted roughed up in certain ways because they had hired an artist to paint little naturescapes in those sections. Never again.

 

[Worm]

The next family member that asks me to remove wallpaper gets punched in the face. And they know that.

 

[TLEF316]

The next family member that asks me to remove wallpaper gets punched in the face. And they know that.

This.

I was home from college one Winter and my mom wanted to paint the living room. It's like 15x20 but only 3 walls. She offered to pay me 200 .

50 hours of steaming, scraping, spraying and cursing later I gave up. The last straw was when I ripped a 10x10 chunk of drywall out because the ####### glue wouldn't come off.

Never again. I'd rather give $5 hand jobs in the bathroom of a highway rest stop

 

[fantasycurse42]

The next family member that asks me to remove wallpaper gets punched in the face. And they know that.

This.

I was home from college one Winter and my mom wanted to paint the living room. It's like 15x20 but only 3 walls. She offered to pay me 200 .

50 hours of steaming, scraping, spraying and cursing later I gave up. The last straw was when I ripped a 10x10 chunk of drywall out because the ####### glue wouldn't come off.

Never again. I'd rather give $5 hand jobs in the bathroom of a highway rest stop

Tell me how you really feel.

 

[dozer]

Plaster of paris.....

Good lord.....

 

[MC Gas Money]

Stain the cabinets. While it's drying you'll have time to sand the floated wall.

I will do this. The cabinet doors will ve easy because I can take them off but the cabinet surface will be a pain because I have to stand on a ladder to do it.I am under no time frame fortunately

Umm...do I need to say I was kidding?

No

 

[The Duff Man]

Man up and tell her you cant float the wall, or suffer the consequences...

 

[STEADYMOBBIN 22]

My entire house had wallpaper in every single room when I bought it. I've tried everything and the best combination that worked for me was getting a paint roller and a paint tray, mixing some of that DIY wallpaper remover solution with almost boiling water.

Roll it on a few times and the paper comes right off. Nothing worked better then this , including a steamer..

 

[El Floppo]

The next family member that asks me to remove wallpaper gets punched in the face. And they know that.

This.

I was home from college one Winter and my mom wanted to paint the living room. It's like 15x20 but only 3 walls. She offered to pay me 200 .

50 hours of steaming, scraping, spraying and cursing later I gave up. The last straw was when I ripped a 10x10 chunk of drywall out because the ####### glue wouldn't come off.

Never again. I'd rather give $5 hand jobs in the bathroom of a highway rest stop

where in Central Jersey are you?

eta: specifically... which rest stop?

 

[El Floppo]

good luck, MC. it's going to suck on all levels- from the work itself to the quality of finished product. Enjoy!

oh hey- you said "MIL"... is this the same woman who housed and fed you and your GF? Good of you to take care of this and her, if so. Does this mean you got married?

 

[nirad3]

I should mention that I have no way to get a piece of sheetrock to the house. We carried all the supplies on the bus

Couldn't fit it in the back of your mail truck?

 

[Cliff Clavin]

I should mention that I have no way to get a piece of sheetrock to the house. We carried all the supplies on the bus

Couldn't fit it in the back of your mail truck?

With how fast he walks, carrying a few 4x8 sheets of drywall should be pretty easy.

 

[Johnny Rock]

I should mention that I have no way to get a piece of sheetrock to the house. We carried all the supplies on the bus

Can the bike rack on the front of the bus hold the sheetrock? Just bring some bungee cords.

 

[MC Gas Money]

Man up and tell her you cant float the wall, or suffer the consequences...

Apparently I dont know what "floating a wall" means but ive plastered walls before. That doesnt seem like the hard part.

The hard part is scraping 50yo wallpaper off venetian plaster. Once that is done im going to scuff the plaster and then go over it and the soffet.

I dont have any friends with a truck to get sheetrock in here, I dont have any friends period so I am stuck doing it this way

 

[MC Gas Money]

good luck, MC. it's going to suck on all levels- from the work itself to the quality of finished product. Enjoy!

oh hey- you said "MIL"... is this the same woman who housed and fed you and your GF? Good of you to take care of this and her, if so. Does this mean you got married?

No. We are getting married so I call her my MIL. What else would I call her?

 

[MC Gas Money]

I should mention that I have no way to get a piece of sheetrock to the house. We carried all the supplies on the bus

Couldn't fit it in the back of your mail truck?

That would be misuse of a federal vehicle.

 

[MC Gas Money]

Tell her you can't do it. You wouldn't be lying. "Float the wall"

Like it is easy to just put a smooth coat of plaster over an entire wall, with a soffit no less. Jesus. There are guys that have done this their whole life and still suck at it. You would get half a wall done and want to kill yourself. You will certainly kill your mother-in law.

Patch what you can. Hang textured paintable wallpaper. Paint with a flat washable paint. Would I recommend this in a new home? Of course not. But trust me it will look a thousand times better than the ridiculous mess you are about to create.

Or you can ignore this advice and do what you are going to do and take pictures and post along the way so we can all enjoy it.

The last job I ever did like this was a dining room in a country club. It was a nightmare. They wanted it smooth on 90% of the walls and then they had these patches that they wanted roughed up in certain ways because they had hired an artist to paint little naturescapes in those sections. Never again.

It wont come out that bad eventually. I dont have a deadline.

 

[MC Gas Money]

Telling me im going to fail is not helping. These people lost all their savings repairibg their house after sandy and cant hire anyone. I have to get this done one way or another. They have done a lot for me.

If you can provide constructive advice I appreciate it. Right now all I have to work with are the supplies I mentioned in another post.

 

[Cliff Clavin]

Telling me im going to fail is not helping. These people lost all their savings repairibg their house after sandy and cant hire anyone. I have to get this done one way or another. They have done a lot for me.

If you can provide constructive advice I appreciate it. Right now all I have to work with are the supplies I mentioned in another post.

Everyone has and you've ignored it.

 

[MC Gas Money]

Telling me im going to fail is not helping. These people lost all their savings repairibg their house after sandy and cant hire anyone. I have to get this done one way or another. They have done a lot for me.

If you can provide constructive advice I appreciate it. Right now all I have to work with are the supplies I mentioned in another post.

Everyone has and you've ignored it.

No I havent but I saud I only hace the materials I listed to work with. I cant get sheetrock here. What have I ignored?

 

[MC Gas Money]

Its always the same when I ask a question. If I dont have the resources to do it then im labeled as ignoring it. It is complete BS.

I have taken several pieces of advice here and im doing the job

 

[Cliff Clavin]

Do it right, pay someone to do it or don't do it.

You fall under option 3 here.

 

[Cliff Clavin]

Telling me im going to fail is not helping. These people lost all their savings repairibg their house after sandy and cant hire anyone. I have to get this done one way or another. They have done a lot for me.

If you can provide constructive advice I appreciate it. Right now all I have to work with are the supplies I mentioned in another post.

Everyone has and you've ignored it.

No I havent but I saud I only hace the materials I listed to work with. I cant get sheetrock here. What have I ignored?

Damn near everywhere delivers. Call home depot.

 

[fantasycurse42]

Do it right, pay someone to do it or don't do it.

You fall under option 3 here.

I disagree... I think you should do it how you feel comfortable doing it... When you run into problems, you should post them here for advice.

 

[Dan Lambskin]

Home Depot will rent you a pickup truck at an hourly rate

 

[El Floppo]

good luck, MC. it's going to suck on all levels- from the work itself to the quality of finished product. Enjoy!

oh hey- you said "MIL"... is this the same woman who housed and fed you and your GF? Good of you to take care of this and her, if so. Does this mean you got married?

No. We are getting married so I call her my MIL. What else would I call her?

I dunno... just asking a question and looking to offer congrats/condolences on getting remarried. you looking for suggestions new names for her? Julia Child?

 

[MC Gas Money]

My MIL funds are limited and buying anything else is up to her. Ive nearly finished scraping the plaster wall so sheetrock is out.

She isnt expecting an immaculate job and im going to do it as best I can. Im doing it because she cant afford to hire anyone.

 

[ROCKET]

Man up and tell her you cant float the wall, or suffer the consequences...

Apparently I dont know what "floating a wall" means but ive plastered walls before. That doesnt seem like the hard part.

The hard part is scraping 50yo wallpaper off venetian plaster. Once that is done im going to scuff the plaster and then go over it and the soffet.

I dont have any friends with a truck to get sheetrock in here, I dont have any friends period so I am stuck doing it this way

I'm sure it's not Venetian plaster unless it's some type of mansion. If you use plaster of paris you will be screwed like others have said. Just use joint compound and like Mr.Miyagi said wax on, wax off. Just apply the mud over the entire area of the wall and wipe it down tight with an 8-10" taping knife as you go. If the mud becomes thick and hard to work with after doing an area keep using fresh mud and trash the old, thick stuff.

You will probably need to do 2-3 coats and then sand. If you have any big cracks you need to key them out and apply mesh tape over them. If you have no cracks and the walls are in decent shape it's really not that hard.Just remember it's easier to add mud than take it off.Don't try and build out the surface (unless it's in really bad shape), just skim it tight.

 

[tonydead]

 

[El Floppo]

Man up and tell her you cant float the wall, or suffer the consequences...

Apparently I dont know what "floating a wall" means but ive plastered walls before. That doesnt seem like the hard part.

The hard part is scraping 50yo wallpaper off venetian plaster. Once that is done im going to scuff the plaster and then go over it and the soffet.

I dont have any friends with a truck to get sheetrock in here, I dont have any friends period so I am stuck doing it this way

I'm sure it's not Venetian plaster unless it's some type of mansion. If you use plaster of paris you will be screwed like others have said. Just use joint compound and like Mr.Miyagi said wax on, wax off. Just apply the mud over the entire area of the wall and wipe it down tight with an 8-10" taping knife as you go. If the mud becomes thick and hard to work with after doing an area keep using fresh mud and trash the old, thick stuff.

You will probably need to do 2-3 coats and then sand. If you have any big cracks you need to key them out and apply mesh tape over them. If you have no cracks and the walls are in decent shape it's really not that hard.Just remember it's easier to add mud than take it off.Don't try and build out the surface (unless it's in really bad shape), just skim it tight.

It looks like old NYC construction- very likely could be full plaster over lathe (for the wall- not soffit)

But I like the rest of the advixe

 

[ChiefD]

Man up and tell her you cant float the wall, or suffer the consequences...

Apparently I dont know what "floating a wall" means but ive plastered walls before. That doesnt seem like the hard part.

The hard part is scraping 50yo wallpaper off venetian plaster. Once that is done im going to scuff the plaster and then go over it and the soffet.

I dont have any friends with a truck to get sheetrock in here, I dont have any friends period so I am stuck doing it this way

I'm sure it's not Venetian plaster unless it's some type of mansion. If you use plaster of paris you will be screwed like others have said. Just use joint compound and like Mr.Miyagi said wax on, wax off. Just apply the mud over the entire area of the wall and wipe it down tight with an 8-10" taping knife as you go. If the mud becomes thick and hard to work with after doing an area keep using fresh mud and trash the old, thick stuff.

You will probably need to do 2-3 coats and then sand. If you have any big cracks you need to key them out and apply mesh tape over them. If you have no cracks and the walls are in decent shape it's really not that hard.Just remember it's easier to add mud than take it off.Don't try and build out the surface (unless it's in really bad shape), just skim it tight.

It looks like old NYC construction- very likely could be full plaster over lathe (for the wall- not soffit)

But I like the rest of the advixe

The only thing I would add is if you buy the mud in the buckets mix a few drops of water with the mud to thin it out a bit. Will be easier to work with for a newbie and dry a lot faster.

 

[MC Gas Money]

Man up and tell her you cant float the wall, or suffer the consequences...

Apparently I dont know what "floating a wall" means but ive plastered walls before. That doesnt seem like the hard part.The hard part is scraping 50yo wallpaper off venetian plaster. Once that is done im going to scuff the plaster and then go over it and the soffet.

I dont have any friends with a truck to get sheetrock in here, I dont have any friends period so I am stuck doing it this way

I'm sure it's not Venetian plaster unless it's some type of mansion. If you use plaster of paris you will be screwed like others have said. Just use joint compound and like Mr.Miyagi said wax on, wax off. Just apply the mud over the entire area of the wall and wipe it down tight with an 8-10" taping knife as you go. If the mud becomes thick and hard to work with after doing an area keep using fresh mud and trash the old, thick stuff.You will probably need to do 2-3 coats and then sand. If you have any big cracks you need to key them out and apply mesh tape over them. If you have no cracks and the walls are in decent shape it's really not that hard.Just remember it's easier to add mud than take it off.Don't try and build out the surface (unless it's in really bad shape), just skim it tight.

It looks like old NYC construction- very likely could be full plaster over lathe (for the wall- not soffit)

But I like the rest of the advixe

The plaster is smooth as glass and an italian used to own the house so im pretty sure its venetian.

There are two big holes near the floor that im going to mesh and patch. All other cracks are hairline so should I worry about them?

Im not using straight plaster. Its compound and plaster.

 

[MC Gas Money]

Man up and tell her you cant float the wall, or suffer the consequences...

Apparently I dont know what "floating a wall" means but ive plastered walls before. That doesnt seem like the hard part.The hard part is scraping 50yo wallpaper off venetian plaster. Once that is done im going to scuff the plaster and then go over it and the soffet.

I dont have any friends with a truck to get sheetrock in here, I dont have any friends period so I am stuck doing it this way

I'm sure it's not Venetian plaster unless it's some type of mansion. If you use plaster of paris you will be screwed like others have said. Just use joint compound and like Mr.Miyagi said wax on, wax off. Just apply the mud over the entire area of the wall and wipe it down tight with an 8-10" taping knife as you go. If the mud becomes thick and hard to work with after doing an area keep using fresh mud and trash the old, thick stuff.You will probably need to do 2-3 coats and then sand. If you have any big cracks you need to key them out and apply mesh tape over them. If you have no cracks and the walls are in decent shape it's really not that hard.Just remember it's easier to add mud than take it off.Don't try and build out the surface (unless it's in really bad shape), just skim it tight.

It looks like old NYC construction- very likely could be full plaster over lathe (for the wall- not soffit)

But I like the rest of the advixe

The only thing I would add is if you buy the mud in the buckets mix a few drops of water with the mud to thin it out a bit. Will be easier to work with for a newbie and dry a lot faster.

Its the lighter compound in the blue bucket. They didnt have any more large buckets of the regular compound

 

[ROCKET]

A true venteian plaster is as follows:

Venetian plaster is a wall and ceiling finish consisting of plaster mixed with marble dust, applied with a spatula or trowel in thin, multiple layers, which are then burnished to create a smooth surface with the illusion of depth and texture.

It's possible that it's venetian but not likely. If someone wallpapered over Venetian plaster they should be shot. Either way if it's smooth as glass I'd be concerned abut the joint compound bonding to the surface. You would be well served to throw a quick coat of primer/bonding agent on it before mudding but that's up to you. They make specific bonding agents you can get at any paint store/Home Depot. I wouldn't mesh tape every single little hair line crack unless you want to be mudding forever

I'd just mesh the major cracks and key them first. You will have to coat a little heavier over the mesh tape to cover it. Just try to make sure you always feather your edges and not leave heavy ones. Also when you sand use a 3-M sanding sponge/block that you get at Home Depot in the drywall section with the beveled edge on one side.When you sand inside corners put the beveled side into the corner to prevent leaving lines on the opposite corner. Use the fine grit sponge and scuff it against concrete to break it in before using it so it doesn't scratch everything. Power sanders are great to rent but if you don't know how to use it you will scratch the hell out of everything. Don't use any sandpaper rougher than 180 grit and always break it in first.

 

[top dog]

This thread reminds me that I have a wall in a bedroom that still has some wallpaper on it that was a giant pain in the ### when I tried to strip it years ago. Have meant to rip out the drywall and replace it, but have since had insulation blown into that wall.

 

[MC Gas Money]

A true venteian plaster is as follows:

Venetian plaster is a wall and ceiling finish consisting of plaster mixed with marble dust, applied with a spatula or trowel in thin, multiple layers, which are then burnished to create a smooth surface with the illusion of depth and texture.

It's possible that it's venetian but not likely. If someone wallpapered over Venetian plaster they should be shot. Either way if it's smooth as glass I'd be concerned abut the joint compound bonding to the surface. You would be well served to throw a quick coat of primer/bonding agent on it before mudding but that's up to you. They make specific bonding agents you can get at any paint store/Home Depot. I wouldn't mesh tape every single little hair line crack unless you want to be mudding forever

I'd just mesh the major cracks and key them first. You will have to coat a little heavier over the mesh tape to cover it. Just try to make sure you always feather your edges and not leave heavy ones. Also when you sand use a 3-M sanding sponge/block that you get at Home Depot in the drywall section with the beveled edge on one side.When you sand inside corners put the beveled side into the corner to prevent leaving lines on the opposite corner. Use the fine grit sponge and scuff it against concrete to break it in before using it so it doesn't scratch everything. Power sanders are great to rent but if you don't know how to use it you will scratch the hell out of everything. Don't use any sandpaper rougher than 180 grit and always break it in first.

I was going to sand the wall rough or put up mesh so the compound bonds. Which is better?

Im not too concerned about the sanding being super smooth because I will be using a latex paint which will hide any small imperfections. Right?

 

[belljr]

What's the finish on your latex paint?

 

[MC Gas Money]

What's the finish on your latex paint?

She hasnt chosen a paint and stain yet

 

[belljr]

Well semi gloss up don't hide ####

 

[MC Gas Money]

Well semi gloss up don't hide ####

What would you recommend?

 

[Johnny Rock]

Texture hides the imperfections.

 

[MC Gas Money]

Texture hides the imperfections.

What kind of paint texture?

 

[Mr.Pack]

Dude. If you tried your original idea of plastering the whole thing and sanding to smooth your arm would fall off from all the sanding. Hanging new drywall is significantly much easier.

Yea but he's not gonna listen.

This is pretty obvious.

He keeps reframing the question hoping someone here will say it's a good idea, when clearly it's not.

 

[Mr.Pack]

Man up and tell her you cant float the wall, or suffer the consequences...

Apparently I dont know what "floating a wall" means but ive plastered walls before. That doesnt seem like the hard part.

The hard part is scraping 50yo wallpaper off venetian plaster. Once that is done im going to scuff the plaster and then go over it and the soffet.

I dont have any friends with a truck to get sheetrock in here, I dont have any friends period so I am stuck doing it this way

I imagine this will be your "floating wall'

 

[MC Gas Money]

Dude. If you tried your original idea of plastering the whole thing and sanding to smooth your arm would fall off from all the sanding. Hanging new drywall is significantly much easier.

Yea but he's not gonna listen.

This is pretty obvious.He keeps reframing the question hoping someone here will say it's a good idea, when clearly it's not.

This is total BS.

I dont have any clue what a good idea in this situation is. So what have I reframed?

 

[MC Gas Money]

#### it. Idk why I bother. Its always the same #### from you #######s. If I dobt build an entire new house im not taking advice. Pieces of ####.

 

[mr roboto]

Calm down man. We are trying to save you some frustration.

I hope it works out ok for you. I don't think it will but I hope it does.

 

[Johnny Rock]

Texture hides the imperfections.

What kind of paint texture?

It's not paint, it's texture. Texture is a thin joint compound that's sprayed on the walls and ceiling. Orange peel is a common type; for example, popcorn ceiling used to be common back in the day. It covers the transitions in the joints. If you build a new house and want plain smooth walls and plain smooth ceilings you will pay a ton to cover all the extra labor and bs or possibly not even find someone to do it because the drywaller knows the customer will likely never be satisfied no matter how many hours are spent on it.

 

[MC Gas Money]

Calm down man. We are trying to save you some frustration.

I hope it works out ok for you. I don't think it will but I hope it does.

#### it. Nobody wants to do anything but just make fun of me