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My sarcasm meter was off, too, I have to admit.Fix your sarcasm meter.
My sarcasm meter was off, too, I have to admit.Fix your sarcasm meter.
As mentioned before, Chicago colleges are automatically admitted to Chicago city colleges so that is really easy for the kids to use. The article also raises the very important issue of school counselors. CPS has had the budget cut and many schools lack the counseling staff needed to provide quality guidance for kids to develop a post secondary plan.• College acceptance letter
• Military acceptance/enlistment letter
• Acceptance at a job training program, like a coding bootcamp
• Acceptance into a trades apprenticeship or pre-apprenticeship program
• Acceptance into a "gap-year" program
• Current job or job offer letter.
Tone down on the hysteria and fake outrage, Max.Oh Jesus Christ. This is the kind of excuse every lefty with a cause-of-the-week likes to use to make life miserable for everyone. #### that - it's nothing but bs to force control from you to them.
This is actually what I initially thought from a policy this bad. It sounded like budget politicking, through and through. There's just no way this flies.So I think this got blown out of proportion by sloppy journalism. Here is a better article
Kids need one of the following:
As mentioned before, Chicago colleges are automatically admitted to Chicago city colleges so that is really easy for the kids to use. The article also raises the very important issue of school counselors. CPS has had the budget cut and many schools lack the counseling staff needed to provide quality guidance for kids to develop a post secondary plan.
No benefit from school? Even if someone doesn't graduate, they have likely gotten many benefits from school. Where does social contract end and totalitarianism begin?Yes, that's what he is doing. He's trying to solve a societal problem by using the totality of the state.
Forced until sixteen, no benefits unless satisfying the ever-reaching requirements of of it. It's total. My professors and friends admit measures like these are totalitarian in every sense of the word; not sure why you'd laugh.
I think we can all agree that counseling, especially for kids form poor less educated districts, is important.This is actually what I initially thought from a policy this bad. It sounded like budget politicking, through and through. There's just no way this flies.
No societal tangible benefit for work screening and labor -- I should qualify.No benefit from school? Even if someone doesn't graduate, they have likely gotten many benefits from school. Where does social contract end and totalitarianism begin?
That will be the key right there for a judge to decide. Is it onerous.No societal tangible benefit for work screening and labor -- I should qualify.
If I could explain the social contract, autonomy, and totalitarianism, I'd be in the anarchism thread. It's a PhD thesis or eight away from being nigh impossible.
What we do have is an innate sense of the 14th Amendment and Substantive Due Process according to natural law. And that probably covers that if an eighteen year-old has been compelled to go to school for sixteen years, he or she ought see the fruits of their schooling be rewarded without an extra onerous step such as this one.
If I were a judge, I'd simply rule it right, just, and be on your way, camper.
Yes. That's what this sounded like. An attempt to streamline otherwise personalized attention due to budgetary constraints.I think we can all agree that counseling, especially for kids form poor less educated districts, is important.
Like I said before, the mayor is trying to actually do something positive. he's going at it the wrong way, i think, but he's giving CPS students - overwhelming minority, poor - every reason to stick it until graduation. he's giving them every reason to go beyond that point too. it's a bit of a play from the "tough love" playbook found in community organizations and churches but then, like i said, he's pandering. he needs to get more kids off the corners and into something that can offer a future. it's a way to drive enrollment to the city colleges too.I think we can all agree that counseling, especially for kids form poor less educated districts, is important.
This really will be a "burden" for the schools. The schools are under pressure to graduate kids so they are going to have to make sure they get every kid on board. I have a hard time seeing any kid not graduating because of this. The kids are automatically accepted into Chicago colleges so the schools can always just check that box.Yes. That's what this sounded like. An attempt to streamline otherwise personalized attention due to budgetary constraints.
Still, these kids are mostly seventeen or eighteen. You don't want them lost in the system, but you can't deny them the very thing that assures it.
Good parenting certainly helps, but there are lots of kids putting in the work and bettering themselves with limited to negative help from their parents.Parents need to start parenting...until that happens nothing else matters...
It more than helps...it provides the foundation for what you become later on in life...there are too many d-bags neglecting their responsibilities as a parent...these people are scum and should be treated as such...Good parenting certainly helps, but there are lots of kids putting in the work and bettering themselves with limited to negative help from their parents.
Money driven?....Illinois is broke... Do they somehow get extra funds?All the more reason to ask - then why the #### do it?
I knew the bolded had to be included, despite claims to the contrary that kids with jobs wouldn't qualify.So I think this got blown out of proportion by sloppy journalism. Here is a better article
Kids need one of the following:
• College acceptance letter
• Military acceptance/enlistment letter
• Acceptance at a job training program, like a coding bootcamp
• Acceptance into a trades apprenticeship or pre-apprenticeship program
• Acceptance into a "gap-year" program
• Current job or job offer letter.
As mentioned before, Chicago colleges are automatically admitted to Chicago city colleges so that is really easy for the kids to use. The article also raises the very important issue of school counselors. CPS has had the budget cut and many schools lack the counseling staff needed to provide quality guidance for kids to develop a post secondary plan.
This doesn't seem like that big of a deal to me. How hard is it to get accepted at a community college?
Got emProbably about as easy as it is for an adult to get an ID card for voting.
Yes, super important. I'm just disagreeing with your statement that "nothing else matters".It more than helps...it provides the foundation for what you become later on in life...there are too many d-bags neglecting their responsibilities as a parent...these people are scum and should be treated as such...
A specious argument.Got em1 hour ago, Uwe Blab said:
Probably about as easy as it is for an adult to get an ID card for voting
I was generalizing...should have said most important...sure kids can overcome it but they are starting in the hole and it just isn't fair to them...Yes, super important. I'm just disagreeing with your statement that "nothing else matters".
Yes and no. This is also a way for more money to flow into those programs and schools. There are economies of scale that work in their favor. CPS is doing everything that it can to get money into the system. IB accreditation, for example, is just hooey but maybe they get more money for it. Same with districts that offer free lunch system-wide (like CPS). While it serves a valuable service, it also gets more money into the system and certain efficiencies can come into play that districts can (mis)use.Money driven?....Illinois is broke... Do they somehow get extra funds?
For the right price, I'm sure you could have your name on one of the colleges too.I just got an acceptance letter to Chicago Community Colleges. Just had to click on a link on the website, lol.
:(I just got an acceptance letter to Chicago Community Colleges. Just had to click on a link on the website, lol.
A specious argument.
An adult would have to take time off from work (which their employer might not grant) and lose hours of work waiting in line at the DMV to get an ID card (and those hours may not be paid for by their employer). However it is not nearly as burdensome for a 17/18 year old to simply send out a letter of application to the local JC or CC.
Many of the poor people, mostly minorities, who take public transit don't.Boston said:How does anyone have a driver's license?
According to you noone can EVER get to the DMV, yet everytime anyone ever goes there its packedA specious argument.
An adult would have to take time off from work (which their employer might not grant) and lose hours of work waiting in line at the DMV to get an ID card (and those hours may not be paid for by their employer). However it is not nearly as burdensome for a 17/18 year old to simply send out a letter of application to the local JC or CC.
I would think they are just genuinely trying improve the future of the city. Last year they set-up a scholarship fund so any student with a 3.0 and proficient in math and English can attend Chicago Colleges for free.Money driven?....Illinois is broke... Do they somehow get extra funds?
In his world this is where the rich white-folk hang out...According to you noone can EVER get to the DMV, yet everytime anyone ever goes there its packed
It's a terrible idea. Emmanuel did say where he got it.Whoever dreamed this up should be set on fire. On that note, some kid should put 'arsonist' on the form and do just that.
Chicago would be the first city to implement such a requirement, although Emanuel said it’s an idea he borrowed from charter schools.
Short staffed. Not enough employees will make any business packed if it is the only game in town.According to you noone can EVER get to the DMV, yet everytime anyone ever goes there its packed