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Are you saying that if you had a job talking FF with other schmucks such as myself, you would approach your conversations differently? I doubt that. You don't seem to waiver on your opinions, even when it obvious you should do so. Edited for spelling.
Maybe some of the difference could be related to the type of FFL job you are talking about. If it's more of a "shock jock" kind of role, then butting heads and long diatribes is a prerequisite for the job. If it is more "thoughtful" and/or "informative" analysis, letting people make up their own minds which way to go, then you'd probably be wise to tone it down. Some folks have memories like elephants, and it would take about five minutes to tie your paying gig back to some free LHUCKS fbgs board rants.....which could come back to haunt you down the road.Friendly advice. Nothing more, nothing less. I'd be interested to hear more about those "two jobs from major websites...top ten in the industry".....although I'm not really that impressed unless:- one of the owners sells boats in his day job, or- one of them is based in the heart of Minnesota Vikings country, or- one of them is owned by Disney, or- one of them just launched an Xcellent new second identity this week 
P.S. How come no one else has answered "left or right" to Yudkin's post? Current tally is Right 1, Left 0.
RightLHUCKS,Johnny U has a point. You might temper your conversations in a paying gig....toning down some of the more confrontational stuff. However, we are who we are, and my thought is that if someone pushed enough of your buttons at your paying gig........
I'm not here to impress anyone. If I was I would agree with everybody on the boards and play the passive role that most of the mods here play"have you considered this" or "you might consider" or "that's a good point but" etc. etc. ...that doesn't interest me. I'm here to compete against ff junkies and discuss ff with ff junkies. If my writing style is confrontational, I don't intend it to be. I'm just very direct and opinionated on certain topics...Chris Brown in the 4th is one of them. If I wanted to impress somebody I'd go to a local sports bar and blow everybody out of the water in the bar ff league...that doesn't do anything for me.
.....unless we can show them that we have something of value to bring to the table and share it in a manner that doesn't piss them off. Anyway, good luck with your FFL job search! I really wish we could get back to some legit Chris Brown talk, but I think we've past that point in this particular thread. 
i don't know about PURE gold, but it is golden.unfortunately a lot of people in the fantasy football community love to reach for the home run and get pre-conceived notions of who will be that year's uber-stud.the bottom line is that the tennessee offense has trended more towards a passing offense. look at mcnair's rushing stats: down. look at george's rushing stats: down. look at mcnair's passing stats: up.this offense has changed from a 2 back hard hitting running offense to a one back more finesse passing offense. chris brown will not change that, especially backing up antowain smith. if chris brown was the man, why not back him up with payton? why bring in smith? because smith is to take george's place with brown as the backup.\will brown get more playing time than last year? yes. will he merit a top 6 round draft pick? no.do not fall in love with specific players and do not target them. let the players come to you. they will be there.Am I the only one who thinks this thread is PURE gold?
Please don't circumvent the peepee filter.
Not trying to rile anyone with this post but it's too late, you already addessed it. And the diversion occurred awhile back. Can you guys stay focused on the subject which is Brown, at least I think it was anyway. As for the sparring you guys can PM each other instead of using the messageboard and bogging down this thread.On the other hand it is kind of funny watching you guys spar.
I really would like to get your reaction to this, given the statement you made earlier.
I'm not exactly clear on what you are asking me to comment on. Are you asking me about your extrapolation? If so I believe I've already hinted at the answer when I briefly responded to Yudkin's YPC post, although it was more directed at Brown's NFL YPC and not his collegiate YPC.College YPC is not even close to an absolute indicator of a runningback's NFL potential as a matter of fact it is a worse indicator than is NFL YPC. Mostly due to the large variances in:a) systemsandb) schedule strengthsIf it was an absolute indicator there would be no need for NFL scouts to evaluate RBs. Thus I think that although Brown's YPC was impressive, it doesn't mean a whole heck of alot in terms of NFL potential. Travis Minor ever ring a bell? Rashan Salaam, every Penn State Runningback?There are several runningbacks that had mediocre YPC numbers(by NFL Draft standards) that have been Hall of Fame caliber runningbacks and there are also several runningbacks with great college YPC numbers that turned out to be busts.Overall it just isn't a very good indicator...if it was that easy NFL teams would just draft based on YPC. I have watched both Foster and Brown play in college as well as last year in the NFL and it has always been apparent to me that Foster is a superior talent. He has everything you'd want in a back. Brown in my opinion has subpar talent. He isn't as good at making people miss and he doesn't have the natural speed that Foster posesses either. Most NFL scouts agree with me as most of them had Foster ranked as a first rounder, the same cannot be said for Brown. From what I've seen on the NFL field the scouts respective rankings were justified.Unless you're a power runner like Eddie George or Bettis, you wont last in the NFL if you can't make people miss. Brown just isn't elusive or fast enough to be an everydown NFL back. That is my humble opinion on Brown's ability.One factor that I believe is of great assistance to me is that I make it a point to watch every NFL game, I also tape about half of them and watch them over. If you're just staring at box scores it makes it much more difficult to truly evaluate a player's ability.Now I'm sure the Brown owners who saw the exact same playoff games I did are going to come back with "I saw something completely different" so I guess you have to ask yourself whose opinion do you value more and why. Also ask yourself what has the Titans organization done to show their support for Brown, along with other qualitative factors. I have come to the conclusion it doesn't look good for Brown, obviously all the Brown owners that have responded to this thread see it differently. I have already stated this before but I have nothing to gain or lose by downgrading Brown...I don't have him in any leagues and there are plenty of other players that are just as worthy of a 4th round pick so I really don't care how he does either way. I find it interesting that most of the responses on this thread come from Brown owners though. Ultimately only time will tell. I hope that answers your questions.
Do you think that the offense trended towards the pass because George couldn't move the chains? Thus they had to pass. Even with their "trending" they still had a 50-50 split with nearly 500 carries for the RB. I'll take that anyday.Are you really serious about going into the season with Payton as the backup to a guy that has 1 season NFL experience and about 100 NFL carries? Is Payton even capable of being a legitimate backup? These guys are trying to win a superbowl, do you really think that any team would go into the season with that little experience at the RB position? Can you name me another team that would have less NFL experience at the RB position than the Titans if they wouldn't have signed Smith? I certainly can't. Look at the Bronco's they have Q. Griff, Anderson, drafted Bell and still signed Hearst. Was Hearst brought in to take the job since he has the most experience, I think not. Just because a team brings in a vet, it does not mean they will be the starter. There has been absolutely no indication at all that Smith is going to be the starter by any Titan personnel that I have seen. The signing of Smith is all about depth at the RB position, it's not about Brown. I really don't know how some people can't see that. If they didn't bring in Smith they would have had the least experience at the RB position in the entire NFL (and actually they still might even with the signing of Smith).i don't know about PURE gold, but it is golden.unfortunately a lot of people in the fantasy football community love to reach for the home run and get pre-conceived notions of who will be that year's uber-stud.the bottom line is that the tennessee offense has trended more towards a passing offense. look at mcnair's rushing stats: down. look at george's rushing stats: down. look at mcnair's passing stats: up.this offense has changed from a 2 back hard hitting running offense to a one back more finesse passing offense. chris brown will not change that, especially backing up antowain smith. if chris brown was the man, why not back him up with payton? why bring in smith? because smith is to take george's place with brown as the backup.\will brown get more playing time than last year? yes. will he merit a top 6 round draft pick? no.do not fall in love with specific players and do not target them. let the players come to you. they will be there.Am I the only one who thinks this thread is PURE gold?
I think Fisher may have seen something in those playoffs games as well. So much so that in the quotes right after Eddie's release he stated that Brown averaged 5.8 YPC running the same plays that Eddie avg'd about 3.3 YPC. I would tend to go with Fisher's impression of the playoff games than yours, no offense.
I'm not sure how I make out in this comparison.Am I being compared to:Eric Karabell (I suppose worse things could happen)Andy Griffith (I feel old . . . but not THAT old)LHUCKS (nothing against LHUCKS, but I hope not)
I think Fisher may have seen something in those playoffs games as well. So much so that in the quotes right after Eddie's release he stated that Brown averaged 5.8 YPC running the same plays that Eddie avg'd about 3.3 YPC. I would tend to go with Fisher's impression of the playoff games than yours, no offense.
Why do you insist on bringing in YPC as a point of comparison? Are you reading my posts? I said very clearly you could throw out YPC. In your comparison of Foster and Brown you said that Brown did not have a year that equaled Foster's in terms of production. My comparison and extrapolation clearly shows that is not the case. Foster would not have equaled Brown's numbers in yardage or TD's. WARNING >>> DO NOT USE YPC AS A COMPARISON
Actually, you're only half right. They didn't release him. They offered him 1.5 million, and he asked to be released. THey complied.Then, Eddie went to the Cowboys and signed (reportedly) for....1.5 million!Thats funny, becuase in my world, we call that a "lateral move."....unlesse Team B (the Cowboys) offered an opportunity (play-time) that Team A (Titans) wouldn't offer.Colin
Actually I do to, but I had to leave it out to make a point with LHUCKS.
Are we then assuming that Troy Hambrick is a "successful" running back from looking at his 2000 & 2001 numbers? I would tend to disagree.
You are wrong about the release. Eddie said if they were going to release him, make it sooner than later. Big difference in those statements, Colin.Making lateral move says to me this issue was more about respect than money. Titan front office wasn't showing Eddie respect for he had done for this team or what he was capable of doing this year. If this was going to be only about money, he was going to make them pay. Didn't go down that way, so he moved on. My guess is Eddie George might be the starter for Dallas this year.
I didn't say it was a guarantee and I shouldn't have said YPC was the first thing I look at. If you don't really know what you have in a RB, YPC is something I look after speed and hands, then I look at measurables. Of course you have to rank vision up there with speed and hands also.
No, I'm not. THey could have released him July 1st, but they didn't. They made it pretty clear that he was going to have to restructure to stay with the team, and they said all offseason he likley wouldn't be back if he didn't. Only a week or so ago did Eddie and his agent sit down and come to a firm decision not to restructure. At that point, there was nothing left to talk about, so they released him so they could get on with signing rookies and finding a veteran backup. Actually, they could have released him before paying him a 1 millon dollar roster bonus this spring, but he hadn't decided he wouldn't restructure at that point.
Respect = PLaying time. The Titans clearly weren't going to let Eddie get 300 carries again this year. THe Cowboys likely told him he'd have a chance to earn more time than the Titans did. Seems pretty cut and dry to me.Colin
''Eddie did not ask to be released. He said that if you are going to release me, release me sooner rather than later,'' Schaffer said. ''The Titans weren't changing their position, so they released him and we all moved on.''
Sure sounds to me like he didn't want to leave, but more like Eddie asked the Titan front office if they reached an impasse on money (or carries, incentives, etc), then please respect me and let me earn a paycheck somewhere else.
That statement sounds to me like he asked to be released. They made it clear they weren't changing their position, he said "release me." Or is that wrong too? Not like it matters, but everybody from Knoxville to Nashville knew Eddie wasn't getting his full 2004 salary. The team made that clear VERY early on. Eddie didn't want to renegotiate (which is of course his right) and so he was released.Colin
What Data(if we're disregarding YPC)???????????????????????????????????
You based this on YPC Data
....yet you write the following?
Do you not see the paradox here???
I don't see it as a "gut" call. I see it as a call based on a) having actually watched Chris Brown play in addition to
a) Brown looked like he had average speed on the field, but so did Emmit Smith so that isn't as big of a deal. What Brown lacks is instincts...he doesn't make people miss.b) I don't care what he did in college
Insitincts are twice as important as speed. Trung Candidate is faster than Emmit ever dreamed of being...would you draft Trung over a young Emmit?Scouts said Emmit Smith had average speed, which he did...yet he is one of the best RBs in the history of the NFL because of instincts and vision.Brown lacks this intangible.
Yeah, he wanted his $4.25 million. LOL.''Eddie did not ask to be released. He said that if you are going to release me, release me sooner rather than later,'' Schaffer said. ''The Titans weren't changing their position, so they released him and we all moved on.''
That's where he started. He was at $2.5m before his release.Yeah, he wanted his $4.25 million. LOL.''Eddie did not ask to be released. He said that if you are going to release me, release me sooner rather than later,'' Schaffer said. ''The Titans weren't changing their position, so they released him and we all moved on.''
