Chaka
Footballguy
Been trying to move him and it's a tough road. Maybe he will get a bump from last night which will help.
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AuttieFootball
Footballguy
He's actually been pretty solid on my bench most of the season (Chargers and Broncos games notwithstanding) but last night was the first time I started him. Happy get came through for me. Definitely hard to trust, but I think he's a good bench/depth guy.
Deranged Hermit
Not cool & Pissed
Yeah, I benched him for ingram at the last second yesterday because of his crappy stat lines the last two weeks. I'm doubting ingram beats the twenty or so points I lost by not starting ivory last night.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Deranged Hermit
Not cool & Pissed
I can't get anywhere close to fair value for him, no one respects him. I think he's RB12 right now and I was shopping him around to teams for a WR. There were teams that were starting Frank Gore or Trent Richardson who wouldn't deal a WR like Emmanual Sanders or Terrance Williams for him.
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Yenrub
Footballguy
Looks like we are in the same boat
My top 3 backs are Ivory, Hillman and Vereen
Ivory is playing on the road at KC this week. In my league KC has given up the least amount of points to RB’s this season.
Vegas has the over under on the Broncos/Pats game at around 55, the Jets/KC around 40
I don’t know if I can make myself start Ivory given that info
need2know
Footballguy
Wow good info. Yeah my first instinct was to start vereen over ivory but when you really break down the numbers comparing their performance s this season it really leans ivory. But there is no question who is on the better offense. I think vereen also gets more chances to score vs den. I could see kc blowing nyj out and allowing 0 tds. Vereen almost scored twice last week with gray getting like 20 carries. I don't think gray gets that much this week. Its tough but gun to my head I think I will prob start vereen
rockaction
Footballguy
Jesus, don't do that. Ivory is RB 9 in non-PPR. Forte is on bye. Ivory is in the top eight. Christ. Vereen could go off. He's RB 17. So...your decision. But them's the facts.
eta* why Ivory is on anybody's bench besides worrying about injury is beyond me.
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need2know
Footballguy
I understand that ivory has outperformed vereen so far. But this is about this Sunday and the matchups between the 2 tell me to start vereen. Wish ivorys matchup wasn't so bad
rockaction
Footballguy
Deranged Hermit
Not cool & Pissed
I have Bell and Ingram ahead of him, but I have had no problem giving him the nod when a bye or injury comes up.
I still can't believe the disrespect he's been getting. I offered a owner in my league Ivory or Denard for Mike Wallace and he chose Denard.
rockaction
Footballguy
Wow. Injury history just lingers. I have to cut Gore or Johnson this week, it seems, and I'm leaning Johnson, with reservations. Trying to trade out of it.
Insein
Footballguy
Johnson? Chris Johnson? Yea I cut him week 4. Hasn't hurt me yet. Biggest draft mistake this year.
rockaction
Footballguy
Only thing that keeps me coming back is Ivory's injury history. If he gets hurt, I want a piece of the Jet running game, for some reason.Insein said:
Gridiron11
Footballguy
One of the most underrated RBs in the league now. Was Top 5 in yards after contact and PFF's elusive rating in 2013. Making just as many missed tackles this year. Top 10 this year in rushing yards and rushing TDs. Runs with as much power as anyone in the league right now.
You can't trade him because you'll never get value back based on no one wanting him. Hold on to him and pray Vick turns things around and up his value further. Injuries are a concern, but that's every single RB. Charles, Ingram, Martin, Ball, Gio, Bradshaw, etc. Show me a RB without some injury concern.
You can't trade him because you'll never get value back based on no one wanting him. Hold on to him and pray Vick turns things around and up his value further. Injuries are a concern, but that's every single RB. Charles, Ingram, Martin, Ball, Gio, Bradshaw, etc. Show me a RB without some injury concern.
need2know
Footballguy
Carter_Can_Fly
Footballguy
One problem with Ivory is he has hands of stone. He is a good rb but is dependent on touches and td's more then other top 10 rb's. The jets have tried at times to get him some receptions, but it is painful watching him catch a football. The rb's this year have been a crap shoot and Ivory has actually been decent all things considered. He is a decent RB 2 for the now and future.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
He's actually looked better catching the ball this season, but no he's not a great receiver and he isn't heavily used in the passing game. He has 12 catches in 8 games which puts him on pace for a career high 24 receptions and his 8.6 ypr is fairly decent for a RB.
jtd13
Footballguy
Anyone watch the Lions game this year when Ivory T-Rex-arm dropped a screen pass that looked like a 60 yard TD?It was a thing of beauty.
Gridiron11
Footballguy
Agreed, his lack of action in the passing game limits him from entering RB1 territory like some other more well rounded studs. That's partly due to his skillset and partly the fact he's always been used in platoons in NO (billion RBs) and Jets (at least 3 RBs), who love Billal Powel more than someone probably should.
Macdaddy_2004
Footballguy
Chris Johnson will be "featured" this week - whatever that means.
Yenrub
Footballguy
Gridiron11
Footballguy
voiceofunreason
Footballguy
The only way this holds any water is if they plan to do a bunch of zone read crap with Vick. Ivory is clearly more of a power back and not sure that fits his style. Messing with the only thing the offense does well sounds like a real dumb idea so It's probably the Jets main gameplan.
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need2know
Footballguy
Macdaddy_2004
Footballguy
Retweeted by Bloom check his twitter feed - Chris Johnson will be featured 50/50 split with ivory
need2know
Footballguy
Chaka
Footballguy
fred_1_15301
Footballguy
Bummer. I guess they weren't kidding about the 50/50 split. Makes sense to take the lead role away from your most talented RB. ### #### Jets. 
Insein
Footballguy
Figures. I don't start him the last 2 weeks and then this week I have no choice. Morningweg sucks.Bummer. I guess they weren't kidding about the 50/50 split. Makes sense to take the lead role away from your most talented RB. ### #### Jets.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Ivory has performed very well for the Jets from an NFL standpoint, but hasn't been a huge fantasy producer due to his lack of receptions and the Jets offense not creating a lot of touchdown opportunities.
The team really likes Powell, who is a solid all around back, but doesn't excel in any aspect and would be limited in more than a supporting role most likely.
With the offense (on paper) looking like it should be improved this year, Ivory could be a solid RB3, perhaps even a low end RB2 if he stays healthy. I do expect that they could add a shifty/speed type runner like Duke Johnson in the draft, as that is what they are lacking and that type of back is useful in Gailey's system.
VarsityBlues123
Footballguy
i think ivory is in for a big year. he is a good rb just not used to his fullest. even if they draft a rb he will still be a big part of the run game. i never understand the logic of why people stay away from runners because they are in a committee or because a team drafts a rb. more than most of the teams have a committee and lots of teams need depth and more talent at the position.
when you have a player like ivory a rookie isnt going to come in and start taking all the snaps. that happens in only rare occasions. teams like the packers when they drafted lacy had no choice but to give lacy the bulk do to no depth or talent but teams like the bengals still give bjge (regardless of your opinion was a decent rb most of his career) a ton of carries even though they drafted a rb early. or what about christine michael? enough said on that account.
i wouldnt be worried even if they drafted gordon or gurley, at least not for this year.
Holy Schneikes
Footballguy
Ivory can play, but he isn't a feature guy. If he was, we would have seen something higher than the max 833 yard rushing season some time over the 5 years he's been in the league. Sure, it's possible he busts out a 1k season next year, but it isn't likely based on historical evidence.
The other thing I don't love is that for all of the grief Chris Johnson takes, both he and Powell had higher YPC than Ivory did last year. Ivory also was the worst of the three just on 1st and 2nd down (which is something I tend to look at to filter out 3rd down passing situations). He was solid in short yardage situations, but so was Chris Johnson believe it or not. 8 out of 10 first downs at 2 yards and less for CJ2yd. Small sample, but that's pretty good work.
There is no way the Jets don't add a back to compete/share with Ivory and Powell. Those two have 2 16 game seasons combined in the last 9 combined seasons.
The other thing I don't love is that for all of the grief Chris Johnson takes, both he and Powell had higher YPC than Ivory did last year. Ivory also was the worst of the three just on 1st and 2nd down (which is something I tend to look at to filter out 3rd down passing situations). He was solid in short yardage situations, but so was Chris Johnson believe it or not. 8 out of 10 first downs at 2 yards and less for CJ2yd. Small sample, but that's pretty good work.
There is no way the Jets don't add a back to compete/share with Ivory and Powell. Those two have 2 16 game seasons combined in the last 9 combined seasons.
Chaka
Footballguy
Ivory is a career 4.7 ypa guy on 636 attempts, that's pretty impressive. Although last year was his worst year at 4.1 (still not bad and that team was a hot mess on offense).
I like him and wish he would get the opportunity to consistently carry the ball 15 times a game but I just don't think that's going to happen.
I like him and wish he would get the opportunity to consistently carry the ball 15 times a game but I just don't think that's going to happen.
rockaction
Footballguy
I love Ivory running for the Jets, and I wouldn't ever waste a pick on a Jets running back. Rotoworld has this right for once -- it's the muddiest situation in the league save Philly and Denver, and it won't be well until the year has begun until it all susses out, IMO.
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
His situation is ok, they should run the ball and play defense. However he isn't that good in the passing game and he is often injured
Sweet Love
IBL Representative
Agree it is muddy, but if you compare to Philly and Denver (both with the lead back with an ADP in the top 12 for RBs), Ivory (or any Jet RB for that matter) is a ticket that can pay off.
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