Christine Michael (1 Viewer)

[Bojang0301]

Turbin started the game... Pretty much goes against Roto's constant opinion that Michael is the clear backup. I think they have specifically used those words and if not close to that.

Game 3 means more than Game 1. Keep that in mind.

After this offseason seems like game 1 meant a lot to Michael owners. His value is lower than this summer and they know it. The crow has come home. Now when they could have cashed out Turbin is proving himself to be the true backup. Wouldn't surprise me in the least if this isn't a passing offense with RBBC when Lynch is gone. I could even see Lynch come back next year seeing he was reasonable in his holdout discussion.

This is comical. Do you really think a player's value hinges on a preseason game? And does Turbin's 4 carries for 5 yards constitute "proving himself as the true backup"?

He has nothing to prove... He's been the backup for the last two years... What changed?

It was your statement that Michael owner's should have cashed out earlier this summer before Turbin shocked the world in a meaningless preseason game. And do you really think Turbin (who I like) has a track record that is beyond reproach? I bet even he still thinks he has something to prove...

Michaels owners should have cashed out because they had the wool pulled over people's eyes. Of course Turbin or any other player should have something to prove. They have been parading around like Michael wasn't only the backup in Seattle but the next messiah, especially during Marshawn's holdout. Now it has been shown what people whose feet were kept on the ground already knew. Turbin is the #2, Lynch will field the load, no RBBC and they are holding out for a guy who will have to fully compete for a starting role a year from now IF they don't bring back Lynch and IF they don't draft another back and only holds value IF he beats out Turbin. And this out of this world ceiling wasn't worth AD. I tried to be level headed with the arguments early on. If you think I'm being ridiculous now just wait for Michael to flash at all, these trolls are lurking waiting to say they are right in supporting Rotoworld's offseason buffoonery.

 

[Touchdown There]

You guys make it hard not to think of him as the new David Wilson

Look up all the pictures you can find of him. Let me know if he looks like Frank Gore or David Wilson.

Of all people, you choose to tell me about David Wilson I don't think I need a picture to figure that out. I wasn't speaking of his stature, nor his talent. The FF community has ignored every red-flag and place unrealistic expectations on him. It's bad. Lynch is a lock to get hurt? A budding HoF potential RB in his prime is going to to lose 150-200 touches? Lynch was going to leave so much money on the table and retire? I don't know what to tell you guys.

You were wrong about David Wilson and you are wrong about Michael.

Let me share that needle with you

Isn't it cowardly to rag on David Wilson?

Wilson was an electric athlete. He showed flashes as a rookie and people were high on him given the opportunity to be the starter in his second year. He was labeled as fumble prone after fumbling in the opener. I'd give him a pass here as these kids are just that - kids. A 21 year old overwhelmed by the spotlight... Unfortunately, injury would never give him the chance to redeem himself.

To pat yourself on the back about prognosticating his failure is pretty low.

Don't be so sensitive. The only thing I was ragging on was Touchdown There's short memory. That comment was beyond irony if you know anything about the conversations we had about the hype that surrounded Wilson.

Nope. You were just a hater who thinks he was right. You were wrong then and you are wrong now.

 

[Bamac]

Rotoworld really grinds my gears - to the point of starting a Boycott thread... booze and Rotoworld don't mix for me.

When they like someone they pump them up relentlessly and if they don't like someone they dump on them relentlessly. There's really no inbetween with them. They're a necessary evil though. I've come to the point where I ignore their take and just go right to the source they list. I don't even read what Roto has to say about it and I feel I'm much more informed because of it.

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There is a solution for this and it is completely in your control.

If you're implying that we should murder Evan Silva ... that would be illegal.

Yes, that's clearly what I was alluding to. Thanks for picking up on it so astutely.

It was a joke, dude -- and not even at your expense. Your defensive sarcasm is unnecessary but not unexpected.

 

[Chaka]

Nope. You were just a hater who thinks he was right. You were wrong then and you are wrong now.

Well I don't think it's fair to say he was wrong about Wilson because ultimately we will never know who was right or wrong about him. However, even if he were never injured his career arc seemed to be trending towards COP back and not featured starter.

Michael is getting a lot of the same type of hype and while he seems to be more ruggedly built than Wilson he seems to be struggling in the same areas (pass protection and ball security). If he doesn't iron those out then I wouldn't expect the Adrian Peterson 2.0 status that many people seem to be holding their breath on.

 

[MoveToSkypager]

Turbin started the game... Pretty much goes against Roto's constant opinion that Michael is the clear backup. I think they have specifically used those words and if not close to that.

Game 3 means more than Game 1. Keep that in mind.

After this offseason seems like game 1 meant a lot to Michael owners. His value is lower than this summer and they know it. The crow has come home. Now when they could have cashed out Turbin is proving himself to be the true backup. Wouldn't surprise me in the least if this isn't a passing offense with RBBC when Lynch is gone. I could even see Lynch come back next year seeing he was reasonable in his holdout discussion.

"The crow has come home".

Not familiar with that idiom - do you mean to say that the chickens have come to roost and/or combined with someone eating crow? I am confused by what exactly the crow coming home means.

The "crow" being people "crowing" that they wouldn't take multiple firsts or AD for a #3 RB who has never carried a full load in his collegiate career. I wonder if he'll even be active most games considering he can't play special teams and Ware can play FB.

Crows don't need to come home for that. They can do that anywhere (presumably).

 

[Alex P Keaton]

Nope. You were just a hater who thinks he was right. You were wrong then and you are wrong now.

Well I don't think it's fair to say he was wrong about Wilson because ultimately we will never know who was right or wrong about him. However, even if he were never injured his career arc seemed to be trending towards COP back and not featured starter.Michael is getting a lot of the same type of hype and while he seems to be more ruggedly built than Wilson he seems to be struggling in the same areas (pass protection and ball security). If he doesn't iron those out then I wouldn't expect the Adrian Peterson 2.0 status that many people seem to be holding their breath on.

Wait, so now he is struggling with ball security?

 

[biju]

Nope. You were just a hater who thinks he was right. You were wrong then and you are wrong now.

Well I don't think it's fair to say he was wrong about Wilson because ultimately we will never know who was right or wrong about him. However, even if he were never injured his career arc seemed to be trending towards COP back and not featured starter.Michael is getting a lot of the same type of hype and while he seems to be more ruggedly built than Wilson he seems to be struggling in the same areas (pass protection and ball security). If he doesn't iron those out then I wouldn't expect the Adrian Peterson 2.0 status that many people seem to be holding their breath on.

Wait, so now he is struggling with ball security?

No. People are just reading stat lines and not watching the games. 9 RBs out of 10 fumble the same ball Michael did--it was a helmet directly on the ball from a ridiculously low angle where Michael had already gotten extremely low.

 

[Chaka]

Nope. You were just a hater who thinks he was right. You were wrong then and you are wrong now.

Well I don't think it's fair to say he was wrong about Wilson because ultimately we will never know who was right or wrong about him. However, even if he were never injured his career arc seemed to be trending towards COP back and not featured starter.Michael is getting a lot of the same type of hype and while he seems to be more ruggedly built than Wilson he seems to be struggling in the same areas (pass protection and ball security). If he doesn't iron those out then I wouldn't expect the Adrian Peterson 2.0 status that many people seem to be holding their breath on.

Wait, so now he is struggling with ball security?

The unproven young guy fumbled and they have two guys in front of him that have held onto the ball better, it's not an insult but he is going to have to be better than he has been in both pass protection and ball security to jump Turbin and he doesn't jump Lynch under any circumstance except injury.

Sorry, that's reality.

 

[Alex P Keaton]

Nope. You were just a hater who thinks he was right. You were wrong then and you are wrong now.

Well I don't think it's fair to say he was wrong about Wilson because ultimately we will never know who was right or wrong about him. However, even if he were never injured his career arc seemed to be trending towards COP back and not featured starter.Michael is getting a lot of the same type of hype and while he seems to be more ruggedly built than Wilson he seems to be struggling in the same areas (pass protection and ball security). If he doesn't iron those out then I wouldn't expect the Adrian Peterson 2.0 status that many people seem to be holding their breath on.

Wait, so now he is struggling with ball security?

The unproven young guy fumbled and they have two guys in front of him that have held onto the ball better, it's not an insult but he is going to have to be better than he has been in both pass protection and ball security to jump Turbin and he doesn't jump Lynch under any circumstance except injury.Sorry, that's reality.

By all accounts, he was holding the ball well and the defender made a great hit on the ball. One fumble doesn't equal "struggling" necessarily. Pass protection is a completely different issue. Much more worrisome than one fluke fumble.

 

[cr8f]

Nope. You were just a hater who thinks he was right. You were wrong then and you are wrong now.

Well I don't think it's fair to say he was wrong about Wilson because ultimately we will never know who was right or wrong about him. However, even if he were never injured his career arc seemed to be trending towards COP back and not featured starter.Michael is getting a lot of the same type of hype and while he seems to be more ruggedly built than Wilson he seems to be struggling in the same areas (pass protection and ball security). If he doesn't iron those out then I wouldn't expect the Adrian Peterson 2.0 status that many people seem to be holding their breath on.

Wait, so now he is struggling with ball security?

The unproven young guy fumbled and they have two guys in front of him that have held onto the ball better, it's not an insult but he is going to have to be better than he has been in both pass protection and ball security to jump Turbin and he doesn't jump Lynch under any circumstance except injury.

Sorry, that's reality.

I question the 2 guys in front of him. No one knows what the placement is yet.

 

[Touchdown There]

I am a big fan of Michael, but his opportunity will be close to nill. Even if Lynch goes down the split with Turbin may be surprising. Kuddos to Seattle for knowing how to pick rbs.

 

[Chaka]

Nope. You were just a hater who thinks he was right. You were wrong then and you are wrong now.

Well I don't think it's fair to say he was wrong about Wilson because ultimately we will never know who was right or wrong about him. However, even if he were never injured his career arc seemed to be trending towards COP back and not featured starter.Michael is getting a lot of the same type of hype and while he seems to be more ruggedly built than Wilson he seems to be struggling in the same areas (pass protection and ball security). If he doesn't iron those out then I wouldn't expect the Adrian Peterson 2.0 status that many people seem to be holding their breath on.

Wait, so now he is struggling with ball security?

The unproven young guy fumbled and they have two guys in front of him that have held onto the ball better, it's not an insult but he is going to have to be better than he has been in both pass protection and ball security to jump Turbin and he doesn't jump Lynch under any circumstance except injury.

Sorry, that's reality.

I question the 2 guys in front of him. No one knows what the placement is yet.

Do you honestly think Michael can pass a healthy Lynch? I agree that it may be possible to pass Turbin but Lynch?

I will be the first one to point out that Pete Carrol has a history of giving every player a chance to start regardless of contract size (in fact I think I was the first person to mention that in this thread) but Lynch is the best running back on this team. How can anyone possibly question that?

 

[DropKick]

Turbin started the game... Pretty much goes against Roto's constant opinion that Michael is the clear backup. I think they have specifically used those words and if not close to that.

Game 3 means more than Game 1. Keep that in mind.

After this offseason seems like game 1 meant a lot to Michael owners. His value is lower than this summer and they know it. The crow has come home. Now when they could have cashed out Turbin is proving himself to be the true backup. Wouldn't surprise me in the least if this isn't a passing offense with RBBC when Lynch is gone. I could even see Lynch come back next year seeing he was reasonable in his holdout discussion.

This is comical. Do you really think a player's value hinges on a preseason game? And does Turbin's 4 carries for 5 yards constitute "proving himself as the true backup"?

He has nothing to prove... He's been the backup for the last two years... What changed?

It was your statement that Michael owner's should have cashed out earlier this summer before Turbin shocked the world in a meaningless preseason game. And do you really think Turbin (who I like) has a track record that is beyond reproach? I bet even he still thinks he has something to prove...

Michaels owners should have cashed out because they had the wool pulled over people's eyes. Of course Turbin or any other player should have something to prove. They have been parading around like Michael wasn't only the backup in Seattle but the next messiah, especially during Marshawn's holdout. Now it has been shown what people whose feet were kept on the ground already knew. Turbin is the #2, Lynch will field the load, no RBBC and they are holding out for a guy who will have to fully compete for a starting role a year from now IF they don't bring back Lynch and IF they don't draft another back and only holds value IF he beats out Turbin. And this out of this world ceiling wasn't worth AD. I tried to be level headed with the arguments early on. If you think I'm being ridiculous now just wait for Michael to flash at all, these trolls are lurking waiting to say they are right in supporting Rotoworld's offseason buffoonery.

You're doing exactly what you're accusing others of... bashing Michael at the first opportunity because he didn't start the game. In reality, both Turbin and Michael got snaps with the first string offense.

Plus, you're stating all your opinions as if they're foregone conclusions. And you talk in circles. First, Turbin has nothing to prove. Then, of course, he has something to prove. The simple fact is, at this point in his career, he has to prove capable of being more than a backup - same as Michael.

As far as AD comparisons, there was a statement by a former coach saying Michael's explosiveness was on par with Peterson. You can find similar points about Charles Johnson's athletic measurable being comparable to Andre Johnson, Julio Jones, etc. It's just a measure of athletic ability. The comparison, although favorable for the player, doesn't suggest they're the same football player.

Sounds like you're real complaint is with Rotoworld. But to throw out words like "pulling the wool over people's eyes" and the "next messiah", is a bit extreme. I haven't seen all this "parading" you're alluding too... most Michael owners knew the situation he was drafted into... and that opportunity, barring injury, would not come overnight.

Michael is a young back with the raw materials; size, speed and athletic ability. His rookie season was essentially red-shirted because the Seahawks are deep at the position and they worked on aspects of his game such as pass protection. But, people are optimistic about his future just as they are about Carlos Hyde or any other young back with a veteran in front of them... I'm not sure why that is such a problem for you.

 

[DropKick]

Nope. You were just a hater who thinks he was right. You were wrong then and you are wrong now.

Well I don't think it's fair to say he was wrong about Wilson because ultimately we will never know who was right or wrong about him. However, even if he were never injured his career arc seemed to be trending towards COP back and not featured starter.Michael is getting a lot of the same type of hype and while he seems to be more ruggedly built than Wilson he seems to be struggling in the same areas (pass protection and ball security). If he doesn't iron those out then I wouldn't expect the Adrian Peterson 2.0 status that many people seem to be holding their breath on.

Wait, so now he is struggling with ball security?

The unproven young guy fumbled and they have two guys in front of him that have held onto the ball better, it's not an insult but he is going to have to be better than he has been in both pass protection and ball security to jump Turbin and he doesn't jump Lynch under any circumstance except injury.

Sorry, that's reality.

I question the 2 guys in front of him. No one knows what the placement is yet.

Do you honestly think Michael can pass a healthy Lynch? I agree that it may be possible to pass Turbin but Lynch?

I will be the first one to point out that Pete Carrol has a history of giving every player a chance to start regardless of contract size (in fact I think I was the first person to mention that in this thread) but Lynch is the best running back on this team. How can anyone possibly question that?

As a Michael owner, I don't expect him to pass a healthy Lynch - playing at the level he has in the past few years.

But... players don't last forever and Lynch runs with a violent style. Things change in the NFL; I'm not sure why people insist on evaluating the situation only as it exists right now. It could be vastly different by mid-season or 2015.

 

[Sabertooth]

I own Michael, but he's basically the same value as Knile Davis or James Starks to me. Backup material. Handcuff. Nothing more, nothing less.

Maybe he gets a chance when Lynch moves on, maybe they draft a guy who is better. Michael hasn't shown anything at all. He's a character risk. He's just a guy at this point.

 

[Chaka]

I own Michael, but he's basically the same value as Knile Davis or James Starks to me. Backup material. Handcuff. Nothing more, nothing less.

Maybe he gets a chance when Lynch moves on, maybe they draft a guy who is better. Michael hasn't shown anything at all. He's a character risk. He's just a guy at this point.

Uh oh, now you've done it.

 

[DropKick]

I am a big fan of Michael, but his opportunity will be close to nill. Even if Lynch goes down the split with Turbin may be surprising. Kuddos to Seattle for knowing how to pick rbs.

What is your time frame for zero opportunity?

I would expect Turbin and Michael to split carries if Lynch went down. How many true "feature backs" are in the league right now? One positive I took from the preseason game was three receptions.

 

[DropKick]

I own Michael, but he's basically the same value as Knile Davis or James Starks to me. Backup material. Handcuff. Nothing more, nothing less.

Maybe he gets a chance when Lynch moves on, maybe they draft a guy who is better. Michael hasn't shown anything at all. He's a character risk. He's just a guy at this point.

Redraft? Dynasty? Deep rosters? A lot of this depends on how easy it is to acquire RBs. Starks is 28 and behind a very young back in Lacy. Davis seems a bit injury prone but should be more involved this year as they try to keep Charles fresh. In dynasty, I like Michael > Davis >>> Starks.

 

[valhallan]

I own Michael, but he's basically the same value as Knile Davis or James Starks to me. Backup material. Handcuff. Nothing more, nothing less.

Maybe he gets a chance when Lynch moves on, maybe they draft a guy who is better. Michael hasn't shown anything at all. He's a character risk. He's just a guy at this point.

So trade him. Why would you risk carrying him any longer before his value plummets to where you think it should be?

 

[cstu]

I own Michael, but he's basically the same value as Knile Davis or James Starks to me. Backup material. Handcuff. Nothing more, nothing less.

Maybe he gets a chance when Lynch moves on, maybe they draft a guy who is better. Michael hasn't shown anything at all. He's a character risk. He's just a guy at this point.

So trade him. Why would you risk carrying him any longer before his value plummets to where you think it should be?

Exactly. You can get a top 50, maybe top 40 player for him right now. If you don't believe then sell.

 

[Sabertooth]

I own Michael, but he's basically the same value as Knile Davis or James Starks to me. Backup material. Handcuff. Nothing more, nothing less.

Maybe he gets a chance when Lynch moves on, maybe they draft a guy who is better. Michael hasn't shown anything at all. He's a character risk. He's just a guy at this point.

So trade him. Why would you risk carrying him any longer before his value plummets to where you think it should be?

I've never had an offer for him. I own Lynch and Turbin too so I want to keep him for insurance. If somebody offered me a good player for him, I'd do it.

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

I own Michael, but he's basically the same value as Knile Davis or James Starks to me. Backup material. Handcuff. Nothing more, nothing less.

Maybe he gets a chance when Lynch moves on, maybe they draft a guy who is better. Michael hasn't shown anything at all. He's a character risk. He's just a guy at this point.

Yeah, this is terrible ownership.

If you believe that you need to sell ASAP. His market value is much better than that.

 

[valhallan]

I own Michael, but he's basically the same value as Knile Davis or James Starks to me. Backup material. Handcuff. Nothing more, nothing less.

Maybe he gets a chance when Lynch moves on, maybe they draft a guy who is better. Michael hasn't shown anything at all. He's a character risk. He's just a guy at this point.

So trade him. Why would you risk carrying him any longer before his value plummets to where you think it should be?

I've never had an offer for him. I own Lynch and Turbin too so I want to keep him for insurance. If somebody offered me a good player for him, I'd do it.

If he's just a guy, how could he be insurance? I'd stop waiting for offers and start making them.

 

[Sabertooth]

Nah. He's a backup for me. Maybe something happens in the future, maybe it doesn't. I'm in the window now and I value the security of knowing I have Lynch's backup in place. I hope the heck Marshawn stays healthy though. My next back after my starters is Hyde or Bryce Brown. That's about where I value Michael. Right in there with Bryce and Hyde.

 

[FreeBaGeL]

Nah. He's a backup for me. Maybe something happens in the future, maybe it doesn't. I'm in the window now and I value the security of knowing I have Lynch's backup in place. I hope the heck Marshawn stays healthy though. My next back after my starters is Hyde or Bryce Brown. That's about where I value Michael. Right in there with Bryce and Hyde.

But you could trade Michael for an ACTUAL starter who you can use even without a Lynch injury. And on top of that, if Lynch is really an elite RB and Michael is just a guy as you believe, than that guy should be a better starter than Michael even if he did get the job.

 

[Sabertooth]

I didn't say Lynch is elite. He's pretty damn good though and that's an elite situation he's in.

I can trade Michael to another own in my league. I can't trade him to the fictitious fantasy marketplace. If nobody in my league will give me a top starter, it won't matter how good Freebagel or Valhallan think he is. I can't trade him to you. I don't play with you.

I think people that own him value him a lot higher than those that don't. I own him because he's an upside handcuff. I wouldn't trade him for Starks or Davis backup I don't own Lacy or Charles. A lot of that has to do with the rest of my roster though. I'm not going to be able to trade him for a starter anywhere else on my team. For instance I do have him valued higher than Chris Polk, who backs up my other starting RB. For instance in a Superflex I own:

Cam

Romo

Lesean

Marshawn

Brandon Marshall

Julio

Harvin or Josh Gordon

Jordan Cameron

Nobody is going to give me a better starter than any of those guys in a trade straight up for Christine Michael unless he's very old. Plus the league I own him in is all-play so they'd have to play me every week. Until Michael shows something, I'm just fine sitting him behind Lynch. If Lynch moves on to another team down the road, hopefully Michael steps into the void.

There is no guarantee that Michael can even play in the NFL, let alone be the heir apparent on the current Super Bowl champs. Come on now.

 

[werdnoynek]

I didn't say Lynch is elite. He's pretty damn good though and that's an elite situation he's in.

I can trade Michael to another own in my league. I can't trade him to the fictitious fantasy marketplace. If nobody in my league will give me a top starter, it won't matter how good Freebagel or Valhallan think he is. I can't trade him to you. I don't play with you.

I think people that own him value him a lot higher than those that don't. I own him because he's an upside handcuff. I wouldn't trade him for Starks or Davis backup I don't own Lacy or Charles. A lot of that has to do with the rest of my roster though. I'm not going to be able to trade him for a starter anywhere else on my team. For instance I do have him valued higher than Chris Polk, who backs up my other starting RB. For instance in a Superflex I own:

Cam

Romo

Lesean

Marshawn

Brandon Marshall

Julio

Harvin or Josh Gordon

Jordan Cameron

Nobody is going to give me a better starter than any of those guys in a trade straight up for Christine Michael unless he's very old. Plus the league I own him in is all-play so they'd have to play me every week. Until Michael shows something, I'm just fine sitting him behind Lynch. If Lynch moves on to another team down the road, hopefully Michael steps into the void.

There is no guarantee that Michael can even play in the NFL, let alone be the heir apparent on the current Super Bowl champs. Come on now.

He already has.

 

[valhallan]

You don't have to get a starter. You just have to get a guy that's better than you think Michael is (just a guy). Really think no one in your league would make an offer better than RB56?

 

[Sabertooth]

I didn't say Lynch is elite. He's pretty damn good though and that's an elite situation he's in.

I can trade Michael to another own in my league. I can't trade him to the fictitious fantasy marketplace. If nobody in my league will give me a top starter, it won't matter how good Freebagel or Valhallan think he is. I can't trade him to you. I don't play with you.

I think people that own him value him a lot higher than those that don't. I own him because he's an upside handcuff. I wouldn't trade him for Starks or Davis backup I don't own Lacy or Charles. A lot of that has to do with the rest of my roster though. I'm not going to be able to trade him for a starter anywhere else on my team. For instance I do have him valued higher than Chris Polk, who backs up my other starting RB. For instance in a Superflex I own:

Cam

Romo

Lesean

Marshawn

Brandon Marshall

Julio

Harvin or Josh Gordon

Jordan Cameron

Nobody is going to give me a better starter than any of those guys in a trade straight up for Christine Michael unless he's very old. Plus the league I own him in is all-play so they'd have to play me every week. Until Michael shows something, I'm just fine sitting him behind Lynch. If Lynch moves on to another team down the road, hopefully Michael steps into the void.

There is no guarantee that Michael can even play in the NFL, let alone be the heir apparent on the current Super Bowl champs. Come on now.

He already has.

no

 

[Sabertooth]

You don't have to get a starter. You just have to get a guy that's better than you think Michael is (just a guy). Really think no one in your league would make an offer better than RB56?

Then I lose the potential handcuff value though.

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

You don't have to get a starter. You just have to get a guy that's better than you think Michael is (just a guy). Really think no one in your league would make an offer better than RB56?

Then I lose the potential handcuff value though.

Pitch him for Reggie Bush or Chris Johnson. You get a player who'll actually help you win for a year or two -- and give up nothing except a handcuff who can only help you if Lynch and Turbin get hurt. Dynasty 101 stuff.

 

[werdnoynek]

I didn't say Lynch is elite. He's pretty damn good though and that's an elite situation he's in.

I can trade Michael to another own in my league. I can't trade him to the fictitious fantasy marketplace. If nobody in my league will give me a top starter, it won't matter how good Freebagel or Valhallan think he is. I can't trade him to you. I don't play with you.

I think people that own him value him a lot higher than those that don't. I own him because he's an upside handcuff. I wouldn't trade him for Starks or Davis backup I don't own Lacy or Charles. A lot of that has to do with the rest of my roster though. I'm not going to be able to trade him for a starter anywhere else on my team. For instance I do have him valued higher than Chris Polk, who backs up my other starting RB. For instance in a Superflex I own:

Cam

Romo

Lesean

Marshawn

Brandon Marshall

Julio

Harvin or Josh Gordon

Jordan Cameron

Nobody is going to give me a better starter than any of those guys in a trade straight up for Christine Michael unless he's very old. Plus the league I own him in is all-play so they'd have to play me every week. Until Michael shows something, I'm just fine sitting him behind Lynch. If Lynch moves on to another team down the road, hopefully Michael steps into the void.

There is no guarantee that Michael can even play in the NFL, let alone be the heir apparent on the current Super Bowl champs. Come on now.

He already has.

no

http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/gamelog/_/id/15855/christine-michael

Yes, he has.

 

[Chaka]

Not sure why people are sabertooth so hard.

 

[Eminence]

Not sure why people are sabertooth so hard.

Agreed, Sabertooth is one of the smarter fantasy posters on these boards.

 

[werdnoynek]

Not sure why people are sabertooth so hard.

Agreed, Sabertooth is one of the smarter fantasy posters on these boards.

You can be both intelligent and inaccurate it seems.

 

[valhallan]

Not sure why people are sabertooth so hard.

I'm just having a conversation. As wdcrob said, it's dynasty 101 to convert an asset you think is overvalued. Unless, of course, you're hoping for the same thing the rest of us are.

 

[Eminence]

Not sure why people are sabertooth so hard.

Agreed, Sabertooth is one of the smarter fantasy posters on these boards.

You can be both intelligent and inaccurate it seems.

 

[ghostguy123]

People would advocate trading Michael for Chris Johnson??? Zero chance anyone who owns Michael at this point would do that anyway, but still, that is crazy talk.

 

[Sabertooth]

Not sure why people are sabertooth so hard.

I'm just having a conversation. As wdcrob said, it's dynasty 101 to convert an asset you think is overvalued. Unless, of course, you're hoping for the same thing the rest of us are.

if the right opportunity presents itself I would. I tend to think he might be ok. But I'm not so arrogant as to think I know that Michael will or won't have a great NFL Career. It's a crapshoot so I play the situation. He may or may not be good when he gets his chance.

 

[Eminence]

Not sure why people are sabertooth so hard.

I'm just having a conversation. As wdcrob said, it's dynasty 101 to convert an asset you think is overvalued.Unless, of course, you're hoping for the same thing the rest of us are.

if the right opportunity presents itself I would. I tend to think he might be ok. But I'm not so arrogant as to think I know that Michael will or won't have a great NFL Career. It's a crapshoot so I play the situation. He may or may not be good when he gets his chance.

I've tried to pretend like the guy doesn't even exist personally. I sold him last year based on hype. Marshawn Lynch doesn't look like he's slowing down anytime soon and until the Seahawks stop winning football games, I expect 2 - 3 more years of Beast Mode.

 

[ghostguy123]

Not sure why people are sabertooth so hard.

I'm just having a conversation. As wdcrob said, it's dynasty 101 to convert an asset you think is overvalued.Unless, of course, you're hoping for the same thing the rest of us are.

if the right opportunity presents itself I would. I tend to think he might be ok. But I'm not so arrogant as to think I know that Michael will or won't have a great NFL Career. It's a crapshoot so I play the situation. He may or may not be good when he gets his chance.

I've tried to pretend like the guy doesn't even exist personally. I sold him last year based on hype. Marshawn Lynch doesn't look like he's slowing down anytime soon and until the Seahawks stop winning football games, I expect 2 - 3 more years of Beast Mode.

sure, on a different team

 

[Eminence]

Not sure why people are sabertooth so hard.

I'm just having a conversation. As wdcrob said, it's dynasty 101 to convert an asset you think is overvalued.Unless, of course, you're hoping for the same thing the rest of us are.

if the right opportunity presents itself I would. I tend to think he might be ok. But I'm not so arrogant as to think I know that Michael will or won't have a great NFL Career. It's a crapshoot so I play the situation. He may or may not be good when he gets his chance.

I've tried to pretend like the guy doesn't even exist personally. I sold him last year based on hype. Marshawn Lynch doesn't look like he's slowing down anytime soon and until the Seahawks stop winning football games, I expect 2 - 3 more years of Beast Mode.

sure, on a different team

Eh, I don't think so. Look at his stats over the past 3 seasons, that's not exactly the production you can plug-and-play to get. Sure, Michael might give you that but Lynch is currently doing it for you. He's only 28. I can easily see him shrugging off tacklers at age 30.

 

[ghostguy123]

Eh, I don't think so. Look at his stats over the past 3 seasons, that's not exactly the production you can plug-and-play to get. Sure, Michael might give you that but Lynch is currently doing it for you. He's only 28. I can easily see him shrugging off tacklers at age 30.

lol

Seattle wants to keep him.

They can't.

2+2 = lynch plays for a different team in 2015

 

[Eminence]

Eh, I don't think so. Look at his stats over the past 3 seasons, that's not exactly the production you can plug-and-play to get. Sure, Michael might give you that but Lynch is currently doing it for you. He's only 28. I can easily see him shrugging off tacklers at age 30.

lol

Seattle wants to keep him.

They can't.

2+2 = lynch plays for a different team in 2015

I think it would be incredibly foolish for both sides not to allow Lynch to continue playing as a Seahawk. We're looking at a potential Dynasty here.

 

[Sabertooth]

Why can't they keep him? He's their best player on offense alongside Wilson. They can keep him of they want to. If isn't like he costs 10m per year. Running backs don't make squat. Keeping him past this season would not be cost prohibitive.

 

[Chaka]

Not sure why people are sabertooth so hard.

I'm just having a conversation. As wdcrob said, it's dynasty 101 to convert an asset you think is overvalued.Unless, of course, you're hoping for the same thing the rest of us are.

It seems more like you and werdnoynek are trying to bait him into agreeing with your position that he will be a special back if he ever gets the opportunity to start.

But since he seems to be in a keeper/dyansty and has Lynch and Turbin then he doesn't need to be special to make it prudent to keep him.

 

[ghostguy123]

Why can't they keep him? He's their best player on offense alongside Wilson. They can keep him of they want to. If isn't like he costs 10m per year. Running backs don't make squat. Keeping him past this season would not be cost prohibitive.

Probably because they have younger and more important players to sign rather than keeping a 29 year old RB who will have been beat to hell for several years in a row who MIGHT give them one more really good year.

I dont know a good GM who will let a an excellent young-younginsh guy walk and keep a RB with his resume and cost.

A 29 year old Lynch is going to be more replaceable than some of you seem to think he is

 

[Eminence]

Why can't they keep him? He's their best player on offense alongside Wilson. They can keep him of they want to. If isn't like he costs 10m per year. Running backs don't make squat. Keeping him past this season would not be cost prohibitive.

Probably because they have younger and more important players to sign rather than keeping a 29 year old RB who will have been beat to hell for several years in a row who MIGHT give them one more really good year.

I dont know a good GM who will let a an excellent young-younginsh guy walk and keep a RB with his resume and cost.

A 29 year old Lynch is going to be more replaceable than some of you seem to think he is

That's the thing though, there are very few backs who have done what Lynch has done at such a high level over these three years. No excuses, just production. He's the kind of elite talent that any smart GM would run into the ground on 1 - 2 year deals until he stops being elite.

 

[Chaka]

So what did people see in college that make so many believe he will be a special back in the NFL? I watched a good number of A&M games in '11 & '12 (particularly '12 because it seems you couldn't get away from Manziel even if you wanted to) and he didn't particularly flash on that team. Maybe he didn't flash because he was surrounded by Manziel and Evans but still he seemed to be just okay. Ben Malena seemed to be favored over in '12 and does anyone think he was special?

No doubt Michael had a rare combination of numbers at the combine but there have been plenty of workout warriors who never quite back it up on the field.

I am just trying to understand the basis for the love because it mostly seems to be based upon looking awesome in preseason last year.

 

[Chaka]

Why can't they keep him? He's their best player on offense alongside Wilson. They can keep him of they want to. If isn't like he costs 10m per year. Running backs don't make squat. Keeping him past this season would not be cost prohibitive.

Probably because they have younger and more important players to sign rather than keeping a 29 year old RB who will have been beat to hell for several years in a row who MIGHT give them one more really good year.

I dont know a good GM who will let a an excellent young-younginsh guy walk and keep a RB with his resume and cost.

A 29 year old Lynch is going to be more replaceable than some of you seem to think he is

So what about his resume leads you to that conclusion?