Christmas Perry.. If he is so good, why hasn't he (1 Viewer)

[Righetti]

I like Perry as much as the next guy, and think he has great talent but for a guy who you always hear about as having "it", he really has not put up any numbers that have impressed you... Rudi Johnson is a good NFL back but he is not Walter Payton, if Perry is the next great thing he should be able to find some more playing time than the strict situational third-down back scraps he has gotten so far..

in the 16 total games he has played

he has 63 carries for 279 yards (4.6 YPC which for a backup is good but far from great, especially one that plays predominantly in 3rd and long situations and when the team is playing from behind)

He does have 54 catches for 361 yards (6.7 YPR)

and two total touchdowns.

Nice numbers.. but not exactly setting the world on fire either.

His size seems perfect (6-0, 224lbs), his pedigree is good (say what you will about Michigan players) and he looks like he has talent when he touches the ball..

is this a case of Rudi/Perry combination being the perfect fit for the Bengals or do we see Perry taking some carries away?

I like this kid and although I don't own him in any dynasty format, I'm intrigued by him.

Bengals homers, any insight?

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Why didn't Larry Johnson put Priest on the bench?

 

[ILUVBEER99]

He's always injured. Teams don't want to count on a guy who is so unrealiable.

I do like him a lot, but until he shows he can stay healthy the Bengals aren't gonna bench Rudi.

 

[trader jake]

with the explosive passing offense cincy needs a dependable RB to move the chains...that's exactly what rudi johnso is and what chris perry was supposed to be. until perry shows more than good hands and can stay healthy for more than 5 games he'll continue to be rudi's back-up

 

[Jous]

Even if Perry improves they'll have a hard time benching Rudi. It's difficult to bench a guy who's run for nearly 1,500 yards and 12 TD's in 2 seasons in a row.

 

[Joseph]

Even if Perry improves they'll have a hard time benching Rudi. It's difficult to bench a guy who's run for nearly 1,500 yards and 12 TD's in 2 seasons in a row.

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Travis Henry?

 

[Righetti]

Why didn't Larry Johnson put Priest on the bench?

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Priest Holmes was the arguably the best running back in football and was having a streak of season's which would match up against any running-back in any era ever. Rudi Johnson is not that

 

[carlosnphilly]

Why didn't Larry Johnson put Priest on the bench?

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Rudi is one of the best chain movers in football. He's underutilized on the Bengals. It's great when you can score at will, but it helps none if you can't stop anyone.

Perry is an exceptional talent. He just happens to be behind one of the best backs in football. No one expected Rudi to be this good and durable (that includes the Bengals staff that took Perry Round 1).

 

[Kleck.]

Chris Perry (kr-is per'e)

See DeShaun Foster

 

[diesel7982]

Even if Perry improves they'll have a hard time benching Rudi. It's difficult to bench a guy who's run for nearly 1,500 yards and 12 TD's in 2 seasons in a row.

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Travis Henry?
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Rudi doesnt fumble like Henry did.

 

[Slinger]

Why didn't Larry Johnson put Priest on the bench?

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Improper use of smiley. 15 yards, 1st down.Refer to Post #7. Andy Dufresne is talking apples when we're all talking oranges. Priest Holmes had a string of extremely great seasons. One might argue, the best ever. Walter Payton wasn't going to put Priest on the bench.

Rudi has been productive, but nothing great. You'd think the Bengals would want to see what Chris Perry has, but they haven't up to this point.

 

[-OZ-]

1. Rudi's in the upper echelon of RBs right now.

2. Bengals have been winning

3. It ain't broken

4. You need 2 good RBs in this league

 

[-OZ-]

Rudi has been productive, but nothing great.  You'd think the Bengals would want to see what Chris Perry has, but they haven't up to this point.

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Why?Cincy is 27-21 since Rudi took over.

One of the best teams in the league.

Why would they just "want to see what Perry can do"?

 

[Philly Hater]

Chris Perry (kr-is per'e)

See DeShaun Foster

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Now THAT'S funny!

 

[TME]

Rudi's rushing skills are under-appreciated. The guy can grind, but he's not just a bull dozer. He has very quick feet and is elusive in the hole. Rushing for 5-10 yards is not very sexy, but Rudi is a grinder like that...a chain mover.

Not a complete, everydown back, which is what hurt his initial draft status, but a formidable ball rusher going all the way back to his days at Auburn. Really, as good as any RB with the ball in his hands except for the upper echalon, play making RBs like LT, Portis, etc. IMO.

He just gets no love.

 

[Garts]

Even if Perry improves they'll have a hard time benching Rudi. It's difficult to bench a guy who's run for nearly 1,500 yards and 12 TD's in 2 seasons in a row.

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Travis Henry?
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Rudi doesnt fumble like Henry did.
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Rudi isn't a drug addict, isn't on the NFL's substance abuse list and doesn't touch 12 year old girls....other then that..

 

[Keysersoze666]

1. Rudi's in the upper echelon of RBs right now.

2. Bengals have been winning

3. It ain't broken

4. You need 2 good RBs in this league

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Good call OZ.Despite appearances the Bengals play in a power running/cold weather division. Rudi has proven to be a perfect fit to force the other team to respect play-action. Guess what? He doesn't fumble, he's part of Marvin's emotional/attitude heart of the team and plays EVERY game. Did I mention that he's pretty good?

Oh yeah, and he led the league in broken tackles. Having Perry as a change-of-pace to Rudi, along with the Bengal passing game is a finely tuned machine that doesn't need tinkering. Why change it?

 

[fsufan]

Cinny has one of the best off. in the NFL, why would they change anything?

If it is not broke do not fix it.

 

[-OZ-]

1. Rudi's in the upper echelon of RBs right now.

2. Bengals have been winning

3. It ain't broken

4. You need 2 good RBs in this league

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Good call OZ.Despite appearances the Bengals play in a power running/cold weather division. Rudi has proven to be a perfect fit to force the other team to respect play-action. Guess what? He doesn't fumble, he's part of Marvin's emotional/attitude heart of the team and plays EVERY game. Did I mention that he's pretty good?

Oh yeah, and he led the league in broken tackles. Having Perry as a change-of-pace to Rudi, along with the Bengal passing game is a finely tuned machine that doesn't need tinkering. Why change it?

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FWIW, I'm a huge Perry fan, but have to recognize the situation for what it is.

 

[RavenFan]

Perry will display his talent full time when his contract is up. He's another Lamont Jordan (although with greater overall skillz).

 

[Bri]

Rudi is younger than most think

 

[LAUNCH]

From Week 11-15 Rudi was better than Shaun Alexander. Rudi is just a beast and is a nice compliment to the recievers that they have.

LAUNCH

 

[Assani Fisher]

Why didn't Larry Johnson put Priest on the bench?

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Priest Holmes was the arguably the best running back in football and was having a streak of season's which would match up against any running-back in any era ever. Rudi Johnson is not that
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I don't agree. I think the KC o-line was what was responsible for that. I think Rudi Johnson and Priest are much closer than you think in terms of talent. JMHO.

 

[Righetti]

From Week 11-15 Rudi was better than Shaun Alexander.  Rudi is just a beast and is a nice compliment to the recievers that they have.

LAUNCH

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week 16..... not so muchask Gman

 

[Righetti]

Why didn't Larry Johnson put Priest on the bench?

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Priest Holmes was the arguably the best running back in football and was having a streak of season's which would match up against any running-back in any era ever. Rudi Johnson is not that
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I don't agree. I think the KC o-line was what was responsible for that. I think Rudi Johnson and Priest are much closer than you think in terms of talent. JMHO.
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talent may be closer than I think (they got similar respect coming out of college from the NFL draft) but production is obviously in a different stratosphere.. that is (most probably) due to the great offensive O-line and Vermeil scheme but that production is what kept LJ on the bench... Rudi is not having that kind of production but is having good production behind the Cinci line

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Rudi is not having that kind of production but is having good production behind the Cinci line

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I'm not saying that Rudi is Priest and Chris is Larry. I'm saying that the talent differential is about the same.Like was said before, if it ain't broke, don't fix it.

 

[Bri]

Rudi has been productive, but nothing great.  You'd think the Bengals would want to see what Chris Perry has, but they haven't up to this point.

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Why?Cincy is 27-21 since Rudi took over.

One of the best teams in the league.

Why would they just "want to see what Perry can do"?

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Also, to beat a dead horse, he's young. Age-wise not NFL experience he's doing as well or better than most HOFers did at this age

 

[turkishkamel]

as a perry owner i look to this for hope,

2007 Salary

Chris Perry $667,000

Rudi Johnson $3,050,000

Rudi is making 1.8 mil this year, so Perry may become a cheaper option for Cincy come next year.

 

[SSOG]

Rudi has been productive, but nothing great. You'd think the Bengals would want to see what Chris Perry has, but they haven't up to this point.

Why?Cincy is 27-21 since Rudi took over.

One of the best teams in the league.

Why would they just "want to see what Perry can do"?

Ummm... since when does averaging a 9-7 finish make you one of the best teams in the league?

From Week 11-15 Rudi was better than Shaun Alexander. Rudi is just a beast and is a nice compliment to the recievers that they have.

LAUNCH

Interesting chart for you:(Top 22 RBs) - (games scoring fewer than 10 fantasy points)

Shaun Alexander - 2

Larry Johnson - 4

LaDainian Tomlinson - 4

Tiki Barber - 2

Edgerrin James - 1

Clinton Portis - 3

Rudi Johnson - 8

LaMont Jordan - 4

Thomas Jones - 5

Mike Anderson - 5

Steven Jackson - 6

Warrick Dunn - 5

Willis McGahee - 8

Willie Parker - 8

Reuben Droughns - 9

Corey Dillon - 7

Dominick Davis - 6

Brian Westbrook - 8

Caddilac Williams - 9

Chris Brown - 10

Julius Jones - 11

Tatum Bell - 12

He was a beast over a 4 week span, but laid an egg more than any other RB1 in the league (which makes me question why people keep complaining about how Shanahan kept screwing them over with Anderson, yet not about Marvin Lewis screwing them over with Rudi Johnson).

Anyway... point of my post... I am leery of being too high on an RB who lays an egg in 50% of the games he plays in, and then absolutely goes out of his mind for 4 weeks to compensate.

 

[-OZ-]

Rudi has been productive, but nothing great. You'd think the Bengals would want to see what Chris Perry has, but they haven't up to this point.

Why?Cincy is 27-21 since Rudi took over.

One of the best teams in the league.

Why would they just "want to see what Perry can do"?

Ummm... since when does averaging a 9-7 finish make you one of the best teams in the league?

Fair point. How many teams have been better?

Seems to me Cincy, over the last 3 years, is in the upper 1/3 of the NFL. Maybe that isn't quite "one of the best teams" but I'd sure take it.

 

[Chase Stuart]

he has 63 carries for 279 yards (4.6 YPC which for a backup is good but far from great, especially one that plays predominantly in 3rd and long situations and when the team is playing from behind)

I'm not sure what made you think that.Perry had 61 carries last year. 29 of them case on 1st and 10 situations.

1st and 10: 29 carries, 157 yards, 5.4 YPC

He didn't have a single carry on 3rd and 8+, and had just 6 carries for 12 yards on all third downs last year.

There's more merit to the playing from behind argument. He had 16 carries when the Bengals were winning, 13 when the score was tied and 32 when the Bengals were losing. However, he had only 10 carries when the Bengals were down by more than two scores -- and on those he did get 64 yards (thanks largely to a 30 yard run).

 

[Aaronur]

About Perry's injury history, he was hurt his first season, he isnt' the only guy, and had offseason surgury this year but played almost all of last season. I know that he didn't carry the load or anything but I don't think he has the same durability issues of Foster. I also don't think he gets a shot until he moves to another team or Rudi gets injuried, which I don't see happenning. The worst thing about him is that he signed a 5 year contract so he still has 3 years on it including this one.

 

[SSOG]

Fair point.

How many teams have been better?

Seems to me Cincy, over the last 3 years, is in the upper 1/3 of the NFL. Maybe that isn't quite "one of the best teams" but I'd sure take it.

Denver, Indy, Kansas, New England, Pittsburgh, Carolina, Philly, Seattle all had more wins over that span. Minnesota and St. Louis were each just a single win behind, and catch up if you include playoff wins. So definitely top 1/3rd, not quite top 1/4th. However, they have exactly 0 playoff wins to show for it. I think there's plenty of reason to still shake things up some when you're just an above-average team. Heck, people wanted Denver to start shaking things up when they were averaging a 10-6 season and no playoff wins, which is better than a 9-7 season and no playoff wins.Not saying that people who want teams to shake things up are right (I agree with doing what you can to stay competitive every season rather than making changes just to make changes), just trying to point out that Cincy's track record has not been so good as to render them above second-guessing.

 

[JetMaxx]

Rudi has been productive, but nothing great.  You'd think the Bengals would want to see what Chris Perry has, but they haven't up to this point.

Why?Cincy is 27-21 since Rudi took over.

One of the best teams in the league.

Why would they just "want to see what Perry can do"?

Ummm... since when does averaging a 9-7 finish make you one of the best teams in the league?

Fair point. How many teams have been better?

Seems to me Cincy, over the last 3 years, is in the upper 1/3 of the NFL. Maybe that isn't quite "one of the best teams" but I'd sure take it.

Indeed, an historic accomplishment for the Bengals.

 

[Sabertooth]

Why didn't Larry Johnson put Priest on the bench?

Priest Holmes was the arguably the best running back in football and was having a streak of season's which would match up against any running-back in any era ever. Rudi Johnson is not that

And Larry looks to be even better IMHO without the spectre of age hanging over his head. A better example might be:Why didn't Priest Holmes but Jamal Lewis on the bench? Lewis is similar to Rudi and Holmes to Perry. Not saying Perry is in the league of a in-his-prime Priest Holmes. Just stating the good players often can't get past entrenched starters.

 

[Sabertooth]

as a perry owner i look to this for hope,

2007 Salary

Chris Perry $667,000

Rudi Johnson $3,050,000

Rudi is making 1.8 mil this year, so Perry may become a cheaper option for Cincy come next year.

Perry is certainly a guy to begin to target, however $3m isn't too bad for a starting running back either. Cincy certainly looks set at this position.

 

[Dope]

Why didn't Larry Johnson put Priest on the bench?

Priest Holmes was the arguably the best running back in football and was having a streak of season's which would match up against any running-back in any era ever. Rudi Johnson is not that

And Larry looks to be even better IMHO without the spectre of age hanging over his head. A better example might be:Why didn't Priest Holmes but Jamal Lewis on the bench? Lewis is similar to Rudi and Holmes to Perry. Not saying Perry is in the league of a in-his-prime Priest Holmes. Just stating the good players often can't get past entrenched starters.

 

[Banger]

I posted this in a Rudi thread a few days ago...Perry's problem is that he can't stay healthy. He was injured his entire rookie season and was bother by injuries last year as well. When he plays though he offers a shiftiness and explosiveness that Rudi will never have. There's a reason he was drafted in the 1st round (two picks behind Sjax) ahead of Kevin Jones, Tatum Bell and Julius Jones. Cincy actually traded down with St. Louis allowing the Rams to grab SJax so you could argue that they liked Perry more than any RB in the draft.

The guy has real talent and you can really see it on the field when he touches the ball. He's one of those guys that you just have to watch because the boxscore don't always tell the whole story.....All that being said, I don't envision Perry taking the job over but since he's such a good compliment to Rudi I could definitely see him cutting into Rudi's carry total.

 

[Pick]

A healthy Perry would produce.

 

[diesel7982]

Even if Perry improves they'll have a hard time benching Rudi. It's difficult to bench a guy who's run for nearly 1,500 yards and 12 TD's in 2 seasons in a row.

Travis Henry?

Rudi doesnt fumble like Henry did.

Rudi isn't a drug addict, isn't on the NFL's substance abuse list and doesn't touch 12 year old girls....other then that..

Watch out, Rudnicki might petition to have you banned if you keep talking poorly of child molesters.

 

[The Ref]

I stand by my comments in this post. Rudi is under rated going into this year.

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...howtopic=242582

The fact that perry is around to me is a good thing as you know who to target as a handcuff much later in the draft.

 

[Righetti]

I think I just answered my own question

this guy is DeShaun Foster with less durability

Chris Perry, RB CIN

News: Cincinnati running back Chris Perry broke his right leg in the second quarter of the team's 30-0 win over the Cleveland Browns. As he was being tackled on a 10-yard run, Perry got his legs rolled on by Browns linebacker Andra Davis. Perry, a third-year backup from Michigan, stayed on the field for several minutes before being taken to the locker room for X-rays. Bengals coach Marvin Lewis said Perry broke an undisclosed bone and will have a screw surgically inserted. Perry has rushed for 57 yards on 10 carries this season.

Analysis: Perry may be lost for the season; monitor his status in the coming weeks. Chances are, you can cut him safely.

 

[Otis]

A broken bone is not really a durability issue. But, I agree, for whose of us who had a lot of faith in this kid's talent, this is not good at all.

 

[FBGirl79]

Just thought I would give you a little update on Perry. He is having surgery today to repair his broken right fibula and will be out for the rest of the season obviously.

Here's the link to the info.

 

[Bri]

A broken bone is not really a durability issue. But, I agree, for whose of us who had a lot of faith in this kid's talent, this is not good at all.

I think a poor diet and some common disease out there can cause your bones to be brittle. Also IIRC some steroid does too. Generally, 99.9%, I agree with ya but Chris should at least get checked out beyond a cast and all. Sure seems like he could be one of those with brittle bones.

 

[zamboni]

A broken bone is not really a durability issue. But, I agree, for whose of us who had a lot of faith in this kid's talent, this is not good at all.

True, the broken bone may not be debilitating, but with one injury after another, you have to think that his durability is a major question mark for Marvin. His chance at becoming anything in this league is likely fading quickly.

 

[billyjoe]

Otis is about to come in here telling us Perry is "being healthy" away from being a top 5 RB.

The guy is a bust. Addai, Maroney, MJD, Bush and soon Williams are about to surpass his career numbers in half a season.

Perry is a slim Mike Williams.

 

[Otis]

Otis is about to come in here telling us Perry is "being healthy" away from being a top 5 RB.The guy is a bust. Addai, Maroney, MJD, Bush and soon Williams are about to surpass his career numbers in half a season. Perry is a slim Mike Williams.

Scroll up, genius

 

[Biabreakable]

Unfortunite break for Perry. I feel sorry for him. Read somthing from his own mouth awhile back about his only goal and concern was to stay healthy. I hope he can make a complete recovery and wish him all the best.

For Dynasty owners who have roster space available for him all I can say is be paitient but this guy is a long ways away from being able to help you if he ever does.

 

[Righetti]

2004: Hamstring injury and a hernia

2005: Leg injury, Ankle injury (carted off)

2006: Ankle injury, Knee injury, broken Fibula