CJ?K in 2013 (3 Viewers)

[VikingFrog]

From a draft value pov cj has been good, not including tonight. In my league he was the #12 RB but his value is nowhere near that. I've been trying to trade him to upgrade and he's burned so many guys that they don't want to touch him. After this week he'll likely be in the top 8 or 9 but doesn't have value near Reggie bush. If you have cj you just have to keep him and rioll with the up and down nature of his scoring. It's annoying because you know the talent is there but he just can't bring it every game. On a value basis he's brill worth having though because he'll win you a few weeks on his own.

Rough first half schedule.

High floor.

Sky high ceiling.

 

[Banger]

From a draft value pov cj has been good, not including tonight. In my league he was the #12 RB but his value is nowhere near that. I've been trying to trade him to upgrade and he's burned so many guys that they don't want to touch him. After this week he'll likely be in the top 8 or 9 but doesn't have value near Reggie bush. If you have cj you just have to keep him and rioll with the up and down nature of his scoring. It's annoying because you know the talent is there but he just can't bring it every game. On a value basis he's brill worth having though because he'll win you a few weeks on his own.

Rough first half schedule.

High floor.

Sky high ceiling.

From a draft value pov cj has been good, not including tonight. In my league he was the #12 RB but his value is nowhere near that. I've been trying to trade him to upgrade and he's burned so many guys that they don't want to touch him. After this week he'll likely be in the top 8 or 9 but doesn't have value near Reggie bush. If you have cj you just have to keep him and rioll with the up and down nature of his scoring. It's annoying because you know the talent is there but he just can't bring it every game. On a value basis he's brill worth having though because he'll win you a few weeks on his own.

Rough first half schedule.

High floor.

Sky high ceiling.

Ya his schedule was brutal but weeks like last week drive you nuts. Weeks like this get your jacked. He always seems to be on one side of the coin or the other.

 

[finito]

I've held him in two leagues because of the schedule and while he's obviously struggled mightily at times I'm hoping he's worth it down the stretch. Tonight is sweet for sure lol.

 

[VikingFrog]

From a draft value pov cj has been good, not including tonight. In my league he was the #12 RB but his value is nowhere near that. I've been trying to trade him to upgrade and he's burned so many guys that they don't want to touch him. After this week he'll likely be in the top 8 or 9 but doesn't have value near Reggie bush. If you have cj you just have to keep him and rioll with the up and down nature of his scoring. It's annoying because you know the talent is there but he just can't bring it every game. On a value basis he's brill worth having though because he'll win you a few weeks on his own.

Rough first half schedule.High floor.

Sky high ceiling.

From a draft value pov cj has been good, not including tonight. In my league he was the #12 RB but his value is nowhere near that. I've been trying to trade him to upgrade and he's burned so many guys that they don't want to touch him. After this week he'll likely be in the top 8 or 9 but doesn't have value near Reggie bush. If you have cj you just have to keep him and rioll with the up and down nature of his scoring. It's annoying because you know the talent is there but he just can't bring it every game. On a value basis he's brill worth having though because he'll win you a few weeks on his own.

Rough first half schedule.High floor.

Sky high ceiling.

Ya his schedule was brutal but weeks like last week drive you nuts. Weeks like this get your jacked. He always seems to be on one side of the coin or the other.

73 total yards (I know there was a fumble too... But he seems to take care of the ball so I'm discounting that)

Nothing to write home about but a nice floor for a running back.

I don't play PPR but if you did, CJ had 5 catches for 43 yards.

 

[VikingFrog]

As great as his first quarter was, the last three have been miserable and a lot of it is on the staff (not all of it).

 

[LawFitz]

Fitzpatrick needs to look for CJ more on dump offs. I saw a lot of plays left on the field tonight.

 

[Eminence]

Thank you CJ2K!

 

[Soulfly3]

The way he is utilized is criminal.

Should never be a game he doesnt see 25 touches - Fitz is a ####### numbskull QB and had CJ open for a bunch of dumpoffs that wouldve led to huge gains/TDs, and Fitz doesnt even look that way.

There's a reason TEN sucks, and it isnt CJ

 

[Eminence]

The way he is utilized is criminal.

Should never be a game he doesnt see 25 touches - Fitz is a ####### numbskull QB and had CJ open for a bunch of dumpoffs that wouldve led to huge gains/TDs, and Fitz doesnt even look that way.

There's a reason TEN sucks, and it isnt CJ

I've been wondering that as well. For as much as some backs do on dumpoffs, you'd think a player with Chris Johnson's speed would absolutely torch defenses on a simple toss to the flat?

 

[Soulfly3]

The way he is utilized is criminal.

Should never be a game he doesnt see 25 touches - Fitz is a ####### numbskull QB and had CJ open for a bunch of dumpoffs that wouldve led to huge gains/TDs, and Fitz doesnt even look that way.

There's a reason TEN sucks, and it isnt CJ

I've been wondering that as well. For as much as some backs do on dumpoffs, you'd think a player with Chris Johnson's speed would absolutely torch defenses on a simple toss to the flat?

he's barely been thrown to at all this season, and yet took 2 of them to the house from miles out.

Clue #1 to get him the ball on dumpoffs... but no

 

[Eminence]

The way he is utilized is criminal.

Should never be a game he doesnt see 25 touches - Fitz is a ####### numbskull QB and had CJ open for a bunch of dumpoffs that wouldve led to huge gains/TDs, and Fitz doesnt even look that way.

There's a reason TEN sucks, and it isnt CJ

I've been wondering that as well. For as much as some backs do on dumpoffs, you'd think a player with Chris Johnson's speed would absolutely torch defenses on a simple toss to the flat?

he's barely been thrown to at all this season, and yet took 2 of them to the house from miles out.

Clue #1 to get him the ball on dumpoffs... but no

Does he have escalators in his contract or something? I don't understand, lol. I swear sometimes I watch games and it seems like all some Quarterbacks do is checkdown.

Apparently not to the fastest Running Back in the league though.

 

[TeeDub]

Fitzpatrick getting cocky after that 14-0 run. Acting as if he's the reason for the lead lol. It's disgusting how they gave up on CJ in the 2nd half after the fumble

 

[Hoss Style]

Very curious. The first half they rushed him 13 times for 80 yards and 2 TDs. They had the lead going into the half.

Second half? 4 carries. They lost when Indy came back.

I don't get it.

 

[jurb26]

Very curious. The first half they rushed him 13 times for 80 yards and 2 TDs. They had the lead going into the half.

Second half? 4 carries. They lost when Indy came back.

I don't get it.

People will blame that on the coaching staff alone, but really is shouldn't be. Yeah, they should have used him more but there was more to it than that. Indy got the ball to start the half and went down the field using 6:27 off the clock. Then Tenn fumbled the kick off and gave Indy the ball right back and they used another minute off the clock. The Tenn offense didn't see the ball until half the 3rd quarter was used up. Now, why CJ didn't touch the ball on that drive is a mystery. They went 3 n out though. As a matter of fact, Tenn ran only 6 offensive plays in the 3rd quarter.

 

[Bri]

Frustrating for him to get going and then they (about) don't give him the ball in the second half.

 

[Hoss Style]

Very curious. The first half they rushed him 13 times for 80 yards and 2 TDs. They had the lead going into the half.

Second half? 4 carries. They lost when Indy came back.

I don't get it.

People will blame that on the coaching staff alone, but really is shouldn't be. Yeah, they should have used him more but there was more to it than that. Indy got the ball to start the half and went down the field using 6:27 off the clock. Then Tenn fumbled the kick off and gave Indy the ball right back and they used another minute off the clock. The Tenn offense didn't see the ball until half the 3rd quarter was used up. Now, why CJ didn't touch the ball on that drive is a mystery. They went 3 n out though. As a matter of fact, Tenn ran only 6 offensive plays in the 3rd quarter.

Fair enough. I didn't see the game and was just browsing the stats tonight. Stats aren't always the entire story. I still would have liked to see them try to get the run going in the 2nd half a bit more, though.

 

[Crusaderfan]

Very curious. The first half they rushed him 13 times for 80 yards and 2 TDs. They had the lead going into the half.

Second half? 4 carries. They lost when Indy came back.

I don't get it.

People will blame that on the coaching staff alone, but really is shouldn't be. Yeah, they should have used him more but there was more to it than that. Indy got the ball to start the half and went down the field using 6:27 off the clock. Then Tenn fumbled the kick off and gave Indy the ball right back and they used another minute off the clock. The Tenn offense didn't see the ball until half the 3rd quarter was used up. Now, why CJ didn't touch the ball on that drive is a mystery. They went 3 n out though. As a matter of fact, Tenn ran only 6 offensive plays in the 3rd quarter.

I would be one of those people that feel the coaches did a poor job in this game. You could tell early in the game that Johnson was really feeling it. His second TD was very impressive. But instead of taking advantage of it - they were the ones that seemed to take away his momentum by either constantly trying to throw 5 yd passes or putting Greene in for an entire series. I would have pounded Johnson until the Colts defense took it away from me. I don't think that ever happened. I think the Titans playcalling took Johnson out of the game by themselves.

 

[VikingFrog]

Very curious. The first half they rushed him 13 times for 80 yards and 2 TDs. They had the lead going into the half.

Second half? 4 carries. They lost when Indy came back.

I don't get it.

People will blame that on the coaching staff alone, but really is shouldn't be. Yeah, they should have used him more but there was more to it than that. Indy got the ball to start the half and went down the field using 6:27 off the clock. Then Tenn fumbled the kick off and gave Indy the ball right back and they used another minute off the clock. The Tenn offense didn't see the ball until half the 3rd quarter was used up. Now, why CJ didn't touch the ball on that drive is a mystery. They went 3 n out though. As a matter of fact, Tenn ran only 6 offensive plays in the 3rd quarter.

I would be one of those people that feel the coaches did a poor job in this game. You could tell early in the game that Johnson was really feeling it. His second TD was very impressive. But instead of taking advantage of it - they were the ones that seemed to take away his momentum by either constantly trying to throw 5 yd passes or putting Greene in for an entire series. I would have pounded Johnson until the Colts defense took it away from me. I don't think that ever happened. I think the Titans playcalling took Johnson out of the game by themselves.

Agreed.

It's hard to be frustrated with 2 Tds and about 80 yards. But when he basically gets that in the first quarter it is frustrating to see them go away from him.

Heck, they have a series to Greene after the colts had the ball, a couple commercial breaks and a break from the first the second quarter. Johnson was in no way gassed and was running like a mad man. Why go away from him?

Lots of early down empty back sets with Johnson split out wide as well. He was never even a risk of being thrown to, so not sure what the gameplan was there in the second half.

 

[Soulfly3]

The Titans fan I was watching the game with made a funny comment after the 1st quarter

"CJ gonna be benched now, so they dont have to pay him"

According to him, he has rush yd/td escalators... but hes also a bit dumb and usually wrong... but he seemed to nail what happened pretty solidly

 

[msommer]

The Titans fan I was watching the game with made a funny comment after the 1st quarter

"CJ gonna be benched now, so they dont have to pay him"

According to him, he has rush yd/td escalators... but hes also a bit dumb and usually wrong... but he seemed to nail what happened pretty solidly

There has been nothing in the rpess on escalators in the contract. But then that's generally left out. That said, if they are stopping using him for that reason I'll then assume that CJ will be playing for a different HC, FO and probably club next year.

 

[Ghost Rider]

I would be one of those people that feel the coaches did a poor job in this game. You could tell early in the game that Johnson was really feeling it. His second TD was very impressive. But instead of taking advantage of it - they were the ones that seemed to take away his momentum by either constantly trying to throw 5 yd passes or putting Greene in for an entire series. I would have pounded Johnson until the Colts defense took it away from me. I don't think that ever happened. I think the Titans playcalling took Johnson out of the game by themselves.

Agreed. When your RB is that hot, you keep riding him, but the Titans were too stupid, and stuck to their usual pattern of rotating the RBs, not to mention throwing too much. This is like the third or fourth game this year where Johnson barely touched the ball in the 2nd half after a good to great 1st half.

 

[kev6873]

"Fitzpatrick needs to look for CJ more on dump offs. I saw a lot of plays left on the field tonight."

I thought the same thing. There were no less than 5 times that he was wide open after chipping a lineman or going out for patterns wide. Never once did he ever look his way....that is concerning.

 

[Ted Mullins]

Had not watched him much until the last few weeks, traded for him after seeing a lot of chatter on here about his easy schedule.

What was with all the 5 wide stuff with Ryan Fitzpatrick? They really went away from him in the second half. CJ looked great on that 2nd TD especially, really liked seeing him push for that last yard or two - kinda seems like he goes down at first contact usually.

When I look at a lot of the rankings etc., it seems like a lot of the analysts are more down on CJ than needed IMO. I know when I traded for him my leaguemates laughed about it too. As mentioned earlier, he seems to get enough touches to have a somewhat safe floor and his ceiling every week is great. He's not the CJ of 3-4 years ago, he doesn't break a lot of tackles, but I still think with the schedule he has I feel pretty good the rest of the way.

 

[Otis]

So, so silly. CJ should be a top 5 fantasy RB right now.

 

[maf005]

CJ will be a top 10 rb after the dust settles from week 11.

IMO he's now at the top of that 2nd tier befhind the obvious top guys (Charles, Lynch, Peterson, McCoy, Forte, Moreno [for now])

Interesting final stretch of games remaining

 

[VikingFrog]

Denver's ability to go up big has me pretty worried. But I still think Johnson has the ability for a monster game coming up soon. Is this the one. Probably not, going up against Peyton, but we shall see.

 

[TeeDub]

I'm benching him this week in one of my leagues. Denver's rush defense has been too stout lately and cj2k is too up and down. For The titans to stay in it they're going to have to go through the air

 

[Reegus]

As of right now i have Stacy Rainey and Vereen in over him in standard. Worried about denver getting up to fast.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

-Chris Johnson is 8th overall in total points for RB in PPR this season.

-We knew he was gonna have a tough 1st half of the year, weeks 1-6 he was 22nd at RB, 4 single digit weeks and owners were feeling terrible.

-As we thought things would get better later in the season and weeks 7 thru 13 he is avg 17.8 points a week which is 2nd overall during that stretch, 4th in overall points during the same stretch.

Chris Johnson is money and has been for the last 6 weeks with scores of 19, 30, 12, 20, 10, and 19…you're crazy if you bench him right now. @Den, AZ, @Jax the next 3 weeks, buckle in and get ready to score.

 

[TeeDub]

Wish Fitzpatrick and munchak would actually have full confidence in him as u do

 

[LawFitz]

Wish Fitzpatrick and munchak would actually have full confidence in him as u do

I'll take half confidence and looks in the passing game like last week.

 

[spreagle]

Owner of CJ2k since rookie year, you just have to close your eyes and start him. Severely underrated, never injured. This year he's a top 10 RB again in our league.

 

[Otis]

-Chris Johnson is 8th overall in total points for RB in PPR this season.

-We knew he was gonna have a tough 1st half of the year, weeks 1-6 he was 22nd at RB, 4 single digit weeks and owners were feeling terrible.

-As we thought things would get better later in the season and weeks 7 thru 13 he is avg 17.8 points a week which is 2nd overall during that stretch, 4th in overall points during the same stretch.

Chris Johnson is money and has been for the last 6 weeks with scores of 19, 30, 12, 20, 10, and 19…you're crazy if you bench him right now. @Den, AZ, @Jax the next 3 weeks, buckle in and get ready to score.

This. I have Morris and Vereen as alternate options, and there's no way I'm benching CJ2K. The playoff run is why I got him.

Let it ride.

 

[Koya]

-Chris Johnson is 8th overall in total points for RB in PPR this season.

-We knew he was gonna have a tough 1st half of the year, weeks 1-6 he was 22nd at RB, 4 single digit weeks and owners were feeling terrible.

-As we thought things would get better later in the season and weeks 7 thru 13 he is avg 17.8 points a week which is 2nd overall during that stretch, 4th in overall points during the same stretch.

Chris Johnson is money and has been for the last 6 weeks with scores of 19, 30, 12, 20, 10, and 19…you're crazy if you bench him right now. @Den, AZ, @Jax the next 3 weeks, buckle in and get ready to score.

This. I have Morris and Vereen as alternate options, and there's no way I'm benching CJ2K. The playoff run is why I got him.

Let it ride.

Any insight into how CJ and the team in general does in VERY cold weather. Going to be about 15 with some snow, more concerned over the cold.

Its two of CJ, Vereen and Stacy for me. Vereen the safest IMO, but tough choice all around.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

-Chris Johnson is 8th overall in total points for RB in PPR this season.

-We knew he was gonna have a tough 1st half of the year, weeks 1-6 he was 22nd at RB, 4 single digit weeks and owners were feeling terrible.

-As we thought things would get better later in the season and weeks 7 thru 13 he is avg 17.8 points a week which is 2nd overall during that stretch, 4th in overall points during the same stretch.

Chris Johnson is money and has been for the last 6 weeks with scores of 19, 30, 12, 20, 10, and 19…you're crazy if you bench him right now. @Den, AZ, @Jax the next 3 weeks, buckle in and get ready to score.

This. I have Morris and Vereen as alternate options, and there's no way I'm benching CJ2K. The playoff run is why I got him.

Let it ride.

Any insight into how CJ and the team in general does in VERY cold weather. Going to be about 15 with some snow, more concerned over the cold.

Its two of CJ, Vereen and Stacy for me. Vereen the safest IMO, but tough choice all around.

How is Vereen the safest? He's been injured more games then he has played this season. He is fighting with Gronk, Amedola, and Edelman plus anytime Brady wants to take a shot down field. I could see him easily missing double digits. 1 TD the entire season.

 

[TeeDub]

-Chris Johnson is 8th overall in total points for RB in PPR this season.

-We knew he was gonna have a tough 1st half of the year, weeks 1-6 he was 22nd at RB, 4 single digit weeks and owners were feeling terrible.

-As we thought things would get better later in the season and weeks 7 thru 13 he is avg 17.8 points a week which is 2nd overall during that stretch, 4th in overall points during the same stretch.

Chris Johnson is money and has been for the last 6 weeks with scores of 19, 30, 12, 20, 10, and 19you're crazy if you bench him right now. @Den, AZ, @Jax the next 3 weeks, buckle in and get ready to score.

This. I have Morris and Vereen as alternate options, and there's no way I'm benching CJ2K. The playoff run is why I got him.

Let it ride.

Any insight into how CJ and the team in general does in VERY cold weather. Going to be about 15 with some snow, more concerned over the cold.Its two of CJ, Vereen and Stacy for me. Vereen the safest IMO, but tough choice all around.

How is Vereen the safest? He's been injured more games then he has played this season. He is fighting with Gronk, Amedola, and Edelman plus anytime Brady wants to take a shot down field. I could see him easily madding double digits. 1 TD the entire season.

Are u serious, or being sarcastic?Cause I cannot even agree with u in nonPPR

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Are u serious, or being sarcastic?Cause I cannot even agree with u in nonPPR

In nonPPR his numbers are much worse. He's living on 8 receptions a game. I think Vereen is risky, you can feel otherwise. I laid out the stats for Johnson, nothing is twisted, he's 2nd in points per game over the least 6-7 weeks, search your feelings TeeDub

 

[Koya]

-Chris Johnson is 8th overall in total points for RB in PPR this season.

-We knew he was gonna have a tough 1st half of the year, weeks 1-6 he was 22nd at RB, 4 single digit weeks and owners were feeling terrible.

-As we thought things would get better later in the season and weeks 7 thru 13 he is avg 17.8 points a week which is 2nd overall during that stretch, 4th in overall points during the same stretch.

Chris Johnson is money and has been for the last 6 weeks with scores of 19, 30, 12, 20, 10, and 19…you're crazy if you bench him right now. @Den, AZ, @Jax the next 3 weeks, buckle in and get ready to score.

This. I have Morris and Vereen as alternate options, and there's no way I'm benching CJ2K. The playoff run is why I got him.

Let it ride.

Any insight into how CJ and the team in general does in VERY cold weather. Going to be about 15 with some snow, more concerned over the cold.

Its two of CJ, Vereen and Stacy for me. Vereen the safest IMO, but tough choice all around.

How is Vereen the safest? He's been injured more games then he has played this season. He is fighting with Gronk, Amedola, and Edelman plus anytime Brady wants to take a shot down field. I could see him easily missing double digits. 1 TD the entire season.

In a ppr / .5 ppr, he has a very defined role on one of the (now) better offenses in the league. He's probably bradys second most important weapon since he's had his full complement of players. Gronk is the monster, but that opens up the RB passing game which NE utilizes often. Stacy would usually be the top choice IMO, but he faces a tough matchup - but you know he will get the rock.

There is still some boom bust and role concern with CJ. I could see a cold weather game with ok yards but no TDs and few receptions.

It's close all across for me, btw, I am finding pretty narrow hairs to split, here.

 

[Interseptopus]

RB2? Johnson will be a top 5 RB this year, back the truck up!!!

Ouch

 

[finito]

RB2? Johnson will be a top 5 RB this year, back the truck up!!!

Ouch

#9 in my leagues right now, has a chance to move up a couple of spots during the playoffs. Not the worst call I've seen. Obviously he's been inconsistent but I've been pretty happy with him lately.

 

[jurb26]

RB2? Johnson will be a top 5 RB this year, back the truck up!!!

Ouch

#9 in my leagues right now, has a chance to move up a couple of spots during the playoffs. Not the worst call I've seen. Obviously he's been inconsistent but I've been pretty happy with him lately.

He's RB8 right now in my league with pretty basic scoring. Bashing that call is pretty silly IMO. I like CJ's playoff schedule a lot, too. I think he gains some ground the next few weeks. He could easily still finish top 5. Even if he doesn't, it seems top 10 is a safe bet.

 

[Kwai Chang Caine]

I'm seriously considering going with Ball over him in the same game...

 

[Interseptopus]

He averaging 14.77 points per game in my league. Hardly "elite"

He's ranked 18th in average in my league, although I will admit we have some goofy return yard scoring.

In total points he's 15th.

Again, I admit we have some weird scoring with return yards, but even if you normalize that stat, he's still out of the top 10 (12th in total points)

I really don't understand how he is top 10. That just seems impossible, but maybe those leagues offer no points for return yards and no PPR... I guess it could be possible then. I'm in a PPR league. He's falling short this year on receptions. That's where his true value lies. I would imagine next year he could be a PPR monster

14.77 average is rough.

I will admit, I had high hopes for his playoff schedule and I wish his owner wasn't a complete knob and was active in my league because I had a decent trade push for him.

To say he deserves to be in the same sentence as Charles, AP, Shady is a reach. Although how many people saw Forte being top 3, or Moreno top 5, I would have been just as skeptical.

 

[Banger]

He averaging 14.77 points per game in my league. Hardly "elite"

He's ranked 18th in average in my league, although I will admit we have some goofy return yard scoring.

In total points he's 15th.

Again, I admit we have some weird scoring with return yards, but even if you normalize that stat, he's still out of the top 10 (12th in total points)

I really don't understand how he is top 10. That just seems impossible, but maybe those leagues offer no points for return yards and no PPR... I guess it could be possible then. I'm in a PPR league. He's falling short this year on receptions. That's where his true value lies. I would imagine next year he could be a PPR monster

14.77 average is rough.

I will admit, I had high hopes for his playoff schedule and I wish his owner wasn't a complete knob and was active in my league because I had a decent trade push for him.

To say he deserves to be in the same sentence as Charles, AP, Shady is a reach. Although how many people saw Forte being top 3, or Moreno top 5, I would have been just as skeptical.

most leagues don't offer yards for returns so that's clearly the exception. He's 8th in my standard scoring league...about as simple as you can get 1 pt per 10 yards rushing/receiving and 6 pts per TD. There's a clear tier to the next group of players...the #6 player, Lynch, has 34 more points which is about 3 ppg.

Still any way you look at it CJ has been a true value this year and dropped pretty far in a lot of drafts due burning owners in the past. He wasn't drafted in the 1st in any draft yet he'll be a top 10 back when all is said and done. The funny thing though is that this guy still has no value among many fantasy experts and fantasy players despite the numbers he's put up and I'll happily get him again next year when everyone passes him by again.

 

[cstu]

He averaging 14.77 points per game in my league. Hardly "elite"

He's ranked 18th in average in my league, although I will admit we have some goofy return yard scoring.

In total points he's 15th.

Again, I admit we have some weird scoring with return yards, but even if you normalize that stat, he's still out of the top 10 (12th in total points)

I really don't understand how he is top 10. That just seems impossible, but maybe those leagues offer no points for return yards and no PPR... I guess it could be possible then. I'm in a PPR league. He's falling short this year on receptions. That's where his true value lies. I would imagine next year he could be a PPR monster

14.77 average is rough.

I will admit, I had high hopes for his playoff schedule and I wish his owner wasn't a complete knob and was active in my league because I had a decent trade push for him.

To say he deserves to be in the same sentence as Charles, AP, Shady is a reach. Although how many people saw Forte being top 3, or Moreno top 5, I would have been just as skeptical.

Johnson had a rough start in PPR, not helped by his lack of involvement in the passing game, but he's #5 (18.3 PPG) since week 5. The only backs ahead of him in that time are Moreno, Charles, Forte and McCoy.

As for Forte, there were a lot of people who saw what Trestman did with Garner and thought Forte was in for a career year.

 

[Ned Ryerson]

He averaging 14.77 points per game in my league. Hardly "elite"

He's ranked 18th in average in my league, although I will admit we have some goofy return yard scoring.

In total points he's 15th.

Again, I admit we have some weird scoring with return yards, but even if you normalize that stat, he's still out of the top 10 (12th in total points)

I really don't understand how he is top 10. That just seems impossible, but maybe those leagues offer no points for return yards and no PPR... I guess it could be possible then. I'm in a PPR league. He's falling short this year on receptions. That's where his true value lies. I would imagine next year he could be a PPR monster

14.77 average is rough.

I will admit, I had high hopes for his playoff schedule and I wish his owner wasn't a complete knob and was active in my league because I had a decent trade push for him.

To say he deserves to be in the same sentence as Charles, AP, Shady is a reach. Although how many people saw Forte being top 3, or Moreno top 5, I would have been just as skeptical.

FBG standard scoring he is 8th.

FBG standard scoring with PPR he is 9th. (admittedly the difference between 8 and 13 is minuscule)

That said, I don't see how anybody can call him a disappointment. I don;t think anybody had him ranked in the top 10 preseason, and he is there now. I'd say he was a value pick.

 

[Interseptopus]

He averaging 14.77 points per game in my league. Hardly "elite"

He's ranked 18th in average in my league, although I will admit we have some goofy return yard scoring.

In total points he's 15th.

Again, I admit we have some weird scoring with return yards, but even if you normalize that stat, he's still out of the top 10 (12th in total points)

I really don't understand how he is top 10. That just seems impossible, but maybe those leagues offer no points for return yards and no PPR... I guess it could be possible then. I'm in a PPR league. He's falling short this year on receptions. That's where his true value lies. I would imagine next year he could be a PPR monster

14.77 average is rough.

I will admit, I had high hopes for his playoff schedule and I wish his owner wasn't a complete knob and was active in my league because I had a decent trade push for him.

To say he deserves to be in the same sentence as Charles, AP, Shady is a reach. Although how many people saw Forte being top 3, or Moreno top 5, I would have been just as skeptical.

FBG standard scoring he is 8th.FBG standard scoring with PPR he is 9th. (admittedly the difference between 8 and 13 is minuscule)

That said, I don't see how anybody can call him a disappointment. I don;t think anybody had him ranked in the top 10 preseason, and he is there now. I'd say he was a value pick.

I would concede that he was a value pick, but with an asterisk (will explain below). My original posting here was to point out how ridiculous some people had him ranked.He was picked as a rb2 in most leagues, and yes at season end total points they will have had a bargain.

However.... My big issue with CJ is that he is the Chad Johnson of RBs. Chad would get 3-5 catches for 30-40 yards 10/16 games, but those other 6 games he would go off for 150+ yards and 1-2 scores. So by seasons end sure he had scored enough to be top 15-20, but really he hurt you more than he helped you.

For comparison, in my standard league Alfred Morris is right behind him. Looking at his stats, for the most part you know what you're getting: about 90 rushing yards a game and maybe a score here and there. Fairly consistent.

Maybe it's my personal preference, but I'd rather have a rb who I can count on getting at least 90 yards and maybe a score, with the possibility of getting 100+ Over CJ who could get 30 points with a monster 200+ 2 score game but could also get 25 yards and no score.

So yes, total numbers perhaps he was a steal, but he's not an overly confident play every week which doesn't make him a rb2 in my mind. If you have to ask yourself if you should start your rb2 every week, that's an intangible that drops them down to a rb3/flex play

 

[Ned Ryerson]

He averaging 14.77 points per game in my league. Hardly "elite"

He's ranked 18th in average in my league, although I will admit we have some goofy return yard scoring.

In total points he's 15th.

Again, I admit we have some weird scoring with return yards, but even if you normalize that stat, he's still out of the top 10 (12th in total points)

I really don't understand how he is top 10. That just seems impossible, but maybe those leagues offer no points for return yards and no PPR... I guess it could be possible then. I'm in a PPR league. He's falling short this year on receptions. That's where his true value lies. I would imagine next year he could be a PPR monster

14.77 average is rough.

I will admit, I had high hopes for his playoff schedule and I wish his owner wasn't a complete knob and was active in my league because I had a decent trade push for him.

To say he deserves to be in the same sentence as Charles, AP, Shady is a reach. Although how many people saw Forte being top 3, or Moreno top 5, I would have been just as skeptical.

FBG standard scoring he is 8th.FBG standard scoring with PPR he is 9th. (admittedly the difference between 8 and 13 is minuscule)

That said, I don't see how anybody can call him a disappointment. I don;t think anybody had him ranked in the top 10 preseason, and he is there now. I'd say he was a value pick.

I would concede that he was a value pick, but with an asterisk (will explain below). My original posting here was to point out how ridiculous some people had him ranked.He was picked as a rb2 in most leagues, and yes at season end total points they will have had a bargain.

However.... My big issue with CJ is that he is the Chad Johnson of RBs. Chad would get 3-5 catches for 30-40 yards 10/16 games, but those other 6 games he would go off for 150+ yards and 1-2 scores. So by seasons end sure he had scored enough to be top 15-20, but really he hurt you more than he helped you.

For comparison, in my standard league Alfred Morris is right behind him. Looking at his stats, for the most part you know what you're getting: about 90 rushing yards a game and maybe a score here and there. Fairly consistent.

Maybe it's my personal preference, but I'd rather have a rb who I can count on getting at least 90 yards and maybe a score, with the possibility of getting 100+ Over CJ who could get 30 points with a monster 200+ 2 score game but could also get 25 yards and no score.

So yes, total numbers perhaps he was a steal, but he's not an overly confident play every week which doesn't make him a rb2 in my mind. If you have to ask yourself if you should start your rb2 every week, that's an intangible that drops them down to a rb3/flex play

I guess that's a personal choice, but at this point I think people know what they are getting with CJ?K. His best 7 weeks will probably be amongst the top 5 "top 7 weeks" of RBs in the league, but his other 9 games are probably going to stink. If you draft a quality RB3 as well you can play the matchups with Johnson making him a very soild RB2. Typically RB2s are matchup dependent, whereas RB1s are not.

 

[Ted Mullins]

Yeah, in all fairness he has definitely had some bad games, but the games where he was really bad are against run Ds that are tough - it hasn't been wildly unpredictable. If you'd like better out of a RB taken in the first 2-3 rounds that is definitely reasonable though.

 

[maf005]

He averaging 14.77 points per game in my league. Hardly "elite"

He's ranked 18th in average in my league, although I will admit we have some goofy return yard scoring.

In total points he's 15th.

Again, I admit we have some weird scoring with return yards, but even if you normalize that stat, he's still out of the top 10 (12th in total points)

I really don't understand how he is top 10. That just seems impossible, but maybe those leagues offer no points for return yards and no PPR... I guess it could be possible then. I'm in a PPR league. He's falling short this year on receptions. That's where his true value lies. I would imagine next year he could be a PPR monster

14.77 average is rough.

I will admit, I had high hopes for his playoff schedule and I wish his owner wasn't a complete knob and was active in my league because I had a decent trade push for him.

To say he deserves to be in the same sentence as Charles, AP, Shady is a reach. Although how many people saw Forte being top 3, or Moreno top 5, I would have been just as skeptical.

FBG standard scoring he is 8th.FBG standard scoring with PPR he is 9th. (admittedly the difference between 8 and 13 is minuscule)

That said, I don't see how anybody can call him a disappointment. I don;t think anybody had him ranked in the top 10 preseason, and he is there now. I'd say he was a value pick.

I would concede that he was a value pick, but with an asterisk (will explain below). My original posting here was to point out how ridiculous some people had him ranked.He was picked as a rb2 in most leagues, and yes at season end total points they will have had a bargain.

However.... My big issue with CJ is that he is the Chad Johnson of RBs. Chad would get 3-5 catches for 30-40 yards 10/16 games, but those other 6 games he would go off for 150+ yards and 1-2 scores. So by seasons end sure he had scored enough to be top 15-20, but really he hurt you more than he helped you.

For comparison, in my standard league Alfred Morris is right behind him. Looking at his stats, for the most part you know what you're getting: about 90 rushing yards a game and maybe a score here and there. Fairly consistent.

Maybe it's my personal preference, but I'd rather have a rb who I can count on getting at least 90 yards and maybe a score, with the possibility of getting 100+ Over CJ who could get 30 points with a monster 200+ 2 score game but could also get 25 yards and no score.

So yes, total numbers perhaps he was a steal, but he's not an overly confident play every week which doesn't make him a rb2 in my mind. If you have to ask yourself if you should start your rb2 every week, that's an intangible that drops them down to a rb3/flex play

Yea this just isn't true

His games of under 9 points in standard scoring were:

@Pittsburgh

vs NYJ

@ Seattle

vs Jax

@ Oakland

3 of those were tough matchups and CJ probably wasn't ranked in the top 15 (or 30 depending on the ranker :/)

Jax was unpredictably bad but that doesn't exactly look terrible now given that Jax has been solid for over a month now

Oakland has been 'better than you think' all year defensively

How many rb2s have 7 of 12 results of 9+ points?