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CJ Prosise - RB - Notre Dame (1 Viewer)

I'm not really buying into the hype with Prossise. He only had 5 touches last week. What is to say Michael doesn't get his full work load?


Anything could happen, but this sounds like talk from someone that hasn't been paying attention to the talk coming from the Seattle coaches this week. Call it "coachspeak" if you like, but they have a reputation for telling it like it is. Carroll and Bevel have a history of being truthful in their interviews. 

 
90th overall selection this year. 6-1 220 and was a converted WR, Rawls is OUT and won't be starting for at least a couple weeks still. CMike is hurt...perfect opp for him to make a case and take 30 to 40 percent of the workload going forward, perhaps more after tonight.

 
I'm not really buying into the hype with Prossise. He only had 5 touches last week. What is to say Michael doesn't get his full work load?
They only ran the ball 8 times last week. Prosise out snapped Michael if I'm not mistaken.

 
Definitely looks the part tonight.  Poor mans Bell/Johnson. 

 
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This will sound crazy, but Prosise is one of two or three guys I'm looking at on my bench as Ware @ Carolina seems risky.  They've stuffed Johnson and Gurley in back to back weeks.  In the end, I'll probably stick with start your studs!
I chose poorly, but kudos to all who started Prosise tonight!   :thumbup:

 
Agree he looks good. Wonder how much opportunity he'll continue to have once Rawls is back, though.
Certainly won't get those goal line looks, but he'll at the very worst be the COP back. Looked like CMike was dead to the coaching staff tonight. I would say that they wanted a good look at Prosise, but this game was important and close and Cmike was getting scraps.

 
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whats gonna happen ROS??
The coaching staff has a preference. They would like to run the ball consistently and physically. This is related to their overall team philosophy of offense complimenting defense. They want to possess the ball longer allowing the defense to rest as much as possible. They've been very far from this as of late, but I would still expect them to lean in that direction if at all possible. This is why I keep telling people they are going to give Rawls every opportunity to return to his work load we saw last year. Michael isn't that guy. Prosise is much more likely to fill the Fred Jackson role if Rawls returns to form.

All this said, preference doesn't always match reality. If Rawls can't return to form I see them allowing Prosise to carry more of the work load, but Michael will still play a role spelling Prosise, perhaps even getting the short yardage work. We'll see...

 
Happy to see Prosise do well in extended action.  While I'm hopeful Rawls can return to form I'm not expecting it.  Collins just isn't the answer back there and the coaching staff really doesn't like Michael.  To my eye, I think Prosise looks to have the capacity to be a 3 down back.

 
 While I'm hopeful Rawls can return to form I'm not expecting it.
This is where I'm at. I worry about the defense being on the field too much if they can't run the ball and control the clock. The idea of a Rawls-Prosise combo sounds awesome. Perhaps the best Seattle backfield since Warner and John L. Williams*.

* Note: I've considered putting together a long article about John L. Williams. In my mind he was the last of a rare breed, the fantasy relevant fullback.  

 
The coaching staff has a preference. They would like to run the ball consistently and physically. This is related to their overall team philosophy of offense complimenting defense. They want to possess the ball longer allowing the defense to rest as much as possible. They've been very far from this as of late, but I would still expect them to lean in that direction if at all possible. This is why I keep telling people they are going to give Rawls every opportunity to return to his work load we saw last year. Michael isn't that guy. Prosise is much more likely to fill the Fred Jackson role if Rawls returns to form.

All this said, preference doesn't always match reality. If Rawls can't return to form I see them allowing Prosise to carry more of the work load, but Michael will still play a role spelling Prosise, perhaps even getting the short yardage work. We'll see...




This, Rawls will be the workhorse. Prosise looks awfully fragile out there, certainly not the physical runner that Rawls is.

 
This, Rawls will be the workhorse. Prosise looks awfully fragile out there, certainly not the physical runner that Rawls is.
Twice last night I thought he took hits that he wasn't going to bounce back from quickly. Kid is brave. Wilson hung him out to dry twice, but he stuck with the ball and made receptions. I agree that long term he can't take the physical beating required with being the lead Seattle RB. 

 
This, Rawls will be the workhorse. Prosise looks awfully fragile out there, certainly not the physical runner that Rawls is.
How so? He got rocked a few times and kept on ticking. Didn't look like he slowed down. Rawls, when healthy and 100% will be more of the thunder with Prosise being the lightening, but Rawls won't be the "workhorse". I could see it being a CIN type situation, with Rawls being Hill and Prosise being Gio.

 
How so? He got rocked a few times and kept on ticking. Didn't look like he slowed down. Rawls, when healthy and 100% will be more of the thunder with Prosise being the lightening, but Rawls won't be the "workhorse". I could see it being a CIN type situation, with Rawls being Hill and Prosise being Gio.
It's probably just wishful thinking from a Rawls owner. 

Prosise looked as good as you can look behind that O-Line, made good cuts, and was a huge mismatch all game whenever they put a linebacker on him.  He was the x-factor in the game that New England had no answer to as Rawls is one-dimensional.

Simply the option to audible out of a run and put CJ out wide completely changes everything for the offense.  People keep saying Michael's time is over and Rawls will be the guy, the reality is that Seattle had a vision when they spent a 3rd round pick on Prosise to be a pass-oriented team and saw that there was a huge deficiency with their current backs.  Expect Prosise to continue getting >50% of the snaps for rest of this season and beyond.

 
It's probably just wishful thinking from a Rawls owner. 

Prosise looked as good as you can look behind that O-Line, made good cuts, and was a huge mismatch all game whenever they put a linebacker on him.  He was the x-factor in the game that New England had no answer to as Rawls is one-dimensional.

Simply the option to audible out of a run and put CJ out wide completely changes everything for the offense.  People keep saying Michael's time is over and Rawls will be the guy, the reality is that Seattle had a vision when they spent a 3rd round pick on Prosise to be a pass-oriented team and saw that there was a huge deficiency with their current backs.  Expect Prosise to continue getting >50% of the snaps for rest of this season and beyond.


It's no secret that the coaching staff prefers Rawls style of running. You are welcome to look at it any way you want but that's the fact. Prosise will have a role, but in my humble opinion it will be scaled back once Rawls is healthy and ready to role.

 
It's no secret that the coaching staff prefers Rawls style of running. You are welcome to look at it any way you want but that's the fact. Prosise will have a role, but in my humble opinion it will be scaled back once Rawls is healthy and ready to role.
I think that's far from fact when you consider that Rawls isn't a factor in the receiving game.  

If we want to talk only facts, no opinions at all, then we can start with the following.

  1. Rawls ran for over 5 ypc last year behind Seattle's O-Line.
  2. 2 of their highly paid o-linemen are gone, 2 in new positions, and another one from FA.  All 5 are in new positions, and they are now the lowest paid OLine in football.
  3. Rawls hasn't really been healthy for nearly 1 full calendar year.
  4. Prosise was drafted in the 3rd round, despite Seattle already rostering Rawls + Michael
  5. Prosise had 153 yards from scrimmage on New England, leading Seattle in both rushing and receiving against the best team in the NFL (record wise).

 
I think that's far from fact when you consider that Rawls isn't a factor in the receiving game.  

If we want to talk only facts, no opinions at all, then we can start with the following.

  1. Rawls ran for over 5 ypc last year behind Seattle's O-Line.
  2. 2 of their highly paid o-linemen are gone, 2 in new positions, and another one from FA.  All 5 are in new positions, and they are now the lowest paid OLine in football.
  3. Rawls hasn't really been healthy for nearly 1 full calendar year.
  4. Prosise was drafted in the 3rd round, despite Seattle already rostering Rawls + Michael
  5. Prosise had 153 yards from scrimmage on New England, leading Seattle in both rushing and receiving against the best team in the NFL (record wise).
Hey I was big on Prosise long before the draft and like him a lot but he isn't a 3 down back in the hawks system. Rawls will get his shot to be the guy when he's healthy.

 
Hey I was big on Prosise long before the draft and like him a lot but he isn't a 3 down back in the hawks system. Rawls will get his shot to be the guy when he's healthy.
What does "the guy" mean in this context.  

20+ touches per game?  50% of the snaps?  Highly doubtful to me to RoS and beyond.

What we saw yesterday was a system that beat New Englad, a pass-first team with Prosise causing matchup nightmares.  

Rawls and Michael are likely competing for the same touches, which is very likely less than 20.

 
What does "the guy" mean in this context.  

20+ touches per game?  50% of the snaps?  Highly doubtful to me to RoS and beyond.

What we saw yesterday was a system that beat New Englad, a pass-first team with Prosise causing matchup nightmares.  

Rawls and Michael are likely competing for the same touches, which is very likely less than 20.
Them going pass happy is incredibly unlikely in the long run if you look at how they've built the team and won in the past. Their line is so bad they might have to for this year. Don't get me wrong I like Prosise but the hawks like to play physical, run the ball and play defence. I see him more as a Riddick type player. He could be very good in that role though.

 
Them going pass happy is incredibly unlikely in the long run if you look at how they've built the team and won in the past. Their line is so bad they might have to for this year. Don't get me wrong I like Prosise but the hawks like to play physical, run the ball and play defence. I see him more as a Riddick type player. He could be very good in that role though.
You build your team around your strengths. They may have been run dominant with Lynch, but he's gone. They proved last year what they are capable of when they let Wilson loose. 

Rawls may have a role...but...I don't think they will revert back to a run heavy offense.

 
Is the o-line suddenly going to come together because Rawls is back? The bargain o-line suits a more versatile back like Prosise: he can straight up run, catch passes in the backfield, or split out wide (remember he's a converted WR).

 
This, Rawls will be the workhorse. Prosise looks awfully fragile out there, certainly not the physical runner that Rawls is.
Fragile? not sure what you are watching, but Prosise's combine build of 6' 0.5" and 220lbs is pretty similar to this group (combine weight/height): Le'Veon Bell, Arian Foster, CJ Prosise, Matt Forte, Adrian Peterson. He has far less experience as a RB so he doesn't always keep his COG low, but he's not fragile.

 
Fragile? not sure what you are watching, but Prosise's combine build of 6' 0.5" and 220lbs is pretty similar to this group (combine weight/height): Le'Veon Bell, Arian Foster, CJ Prosise, Matt Forte, Adrian Peterson. He has far less experience as a RB so he doesn't always keep his COG low, but he's not fragile.
I don't know if he is fragile but he certainly did not look like a power RB like the aformentioned, Bell, Foster and Peterson especially the way he got bounced back when he ran into the DB on that one play.  I think he could be another solid play this week but going forward it could be a lot of Rawls down the stretch, especially at the goal line.

 
You left DJ off that list and imo in this modern day nfl, the 6'-6'2" 200-220lbs backs are the prototypical build, capable of doing everything - looking at you next year Mccaffrey.

 
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So is he a decent start against the birds this week?  Rawls set to come back hurts his value obviously but is it possible that it will be closer to a 50/50 split?

 
So is he a decent start against the birds this week?  Rawls set to come back hurts his value obviously but is it possible that it will be closer to a 50/50 split?
All depends on if you think they ease Rawls in. At this moment, I think they do, so it's 50/50 at worst IMO. 

 
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Are there seriously people in here worried about Rawls? Go out and get Prosise and forget about Rawls.

What round was Rawls drafted in?

 
Are there seriously people in here worried about Rawls? Go out and get Prosise and forget about Rawls.

What round was Rawls drafted in?
Csleep was drafted in the 2nd round, Trich was the 4th overall pick, DHB was a top 10 pick too. 

Rawls didn't play like a UDFA last year. The faster you realize NFL play>draft position, the better you'll be at FF.

 
Csleep was drafted in the 2nd round, Trich was the 4th overall pick, DHB was a top 10 pick too. 

Rawls didn't play like a UDFA last year. The faster you realize NFL play>draft position, the better you'll be at FF.
There's so much wrong here. Maybe the Seahawks burning a 2nd Rounder on Prosise suggests they're not happy with Rawls?

That's kind of my point, the guy who was taken early and fits the offense better is producing. Why would I even worry about Rawls at this point?

Plus, I'm pretty good at fantasy, chief. Started Prosise in multiple leagues...

 
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There's so much wrong here. Maybe the Seahawks burning a 2nd Rounder on Prosise suggests they're not happy with Rawls?

That's kind of my point, the guy who was taken early and fits the offense better is producing. Why would I even worry about Rawls at this point?

Plus, I'm pretty good at fantasy, chief. Started Prosise in multiple leagues...


Considering you don't even know what round Prosise was drafted in, I have my doubts.

In 5 games, Prosise has 26 carries for 96 yards 3.7 YPC 0 TD

In 15 games, Rawls has 166 carries for 855 yards 5.2 YPC 4 TD

As you said, why worry about Rawls  :lmao:

 
Considering you don't even know what round Prosise was drafted in, I have my doubts.

In 5 games, Prosise has 26 carries for 96 yards 3.7 YPC 0 TD

In 15 games, Rawls has 166 carries for 855 yards 5.2 YPC 4 TD

As you said, why worry about Rawls  :lmao:
You're a numbskull, Prosise has been started for one game and you ignore his best asset, his receiving.

He caught 7 passes for 87 yards, don't you know. Not going to waste anymore time arguing with you. You don't like Prosise, gotcha. I'll watch him continue to rack up points on my team. :)

You cherry picking those stats is scary. It's like you're blindly choosing to ignore Prosise's upside.

 
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You're a numbskull, Prosise has been started for one game and you ignore his best asset, his receiving.

He caught 7 passes, don't you know. Not going to waste anymore time arguing with you. You don't like Prosise, gotcha. I'll watch him continue to rack up points on my team. :)

You cherry picking those stats is scary. It's like you're blindly choosing to ignore Prosise's upside.
name calling and assumptions....lol.

I actually don't mind Prosise at all. But to ignore Rawls because of his draft status is irresponsible. 

Using all career rushing stats is cherry picking, but lying about Prosise's draft status is _______.

Lastly, Prosise and Rawls have the same amount of career receptions. Prosise is a better threat here. I expect both to be used to their strengths.

 
name calling and assumptions....lol.

I actually don't mind Prosise at all. But to ignore Rawls because of his draft status is irresponsible. 

Using all career rushing stats is cherry picking, but lying about Prosise's draft status is _______.

Lastly, Prosise and Rawls have the same amount of career receptions. Prosise is a better threat here. I expect both to be used to their strengths.
Then we agree, Prosise is great!

 
There's so much wrong here. Maybe the Seahawks burning a 2nd Rounder on Prosise suggests they're not happy with Rawls?

That's kind of my point, the guy who was taken early and fits the offense better is producing. Why would I even worry about Rawls at this point?

Plus, I'm pretty good at fantasy, chief. Started Prosise in multiple leagues...
Maybe Prosise was drafted in the 3rd round to be the receiving back to compliment Rawls as the stronger back to carry the ball, or do teams only draft a different style player so they can completely shift they're game plan going forward?  No chance it's so they can play both 50/50 I guess.

 
Maybe Prosise was drafted in the 3rd round to be the receiving back to compliment Rawls as the stronger back to carry the ball, or do teams only draft a different style player so they can completely shift they're game plan going forward?  No chance it's so they can play both 50/50 I guess.
Silence this logic immediately! This is the internet!

 
You can't use Rawls YPC from last season and pit it against CJ's YPC for this season.  The O-Line is completely revamped at every single position, and not in a good way.

3rd round is a very high pick for a RB, given that the RB position generally has a devalued draft status.  Seattle clearly has a vision of how their offense will be going forward, and I don't think it's a power run game.  They were forced into this due to having to pay for their defense, and not being able to re-sign Okung.

Given it's a copy cat league, what I think happened is they took a page out of another team's book.  That team did not have a great offensive line, but drafted a 6'1" pass-catching back who was a converted WR late in the 3rd round in 2015.  That RB also happens to be the #1 RB in PPR, David Johnson.  Prosise is 6'1", a converted WR, drafted in the late 3rd round in 2016, playing behind a makeshift line.

Prosise has David Johnson lite upside, and Michael was released primarily because of Prosise being able to play 77% of the snaps against New England, not because Rawls is actually 100% (literally has not been 100% for 11 months now).

I think Rawls upside in Seattle going forward, esp in PPR leagues, is extremely limited, because of where the offense is going.  I'd bet on Prosise filling out as the prototypical modern day dual threat RB who is a mismatch for LBs, while Rawls is relegated to change-of-pace ball of energy back to give Prosise breathers.  I am near certain it will not be a 50-50 snap count split between Rawls and Prosise.  I'd bet on 70-30 in favor of Prosise.

 
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