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[Bracie Smathers]

Instead of making Soulfly have an embarrassing sig why not have him change his icon to something more suitable to a Browns fan? Just a thought.

slow down, bro. it's all in good fun here

Sorry, didn't realize you would take offense. Had no idea your sig bet was the point of the thread so please excuse me for brining up the chatter that many fans are considering and that is trading-up for QB Marcus Mariota.

Mariota's stock was never cemented as a top-two pick IMHO so the talk.

Last year all we heard was how much other teams in the top four valued Johnny Manziel as if he was considered a top four or top-ten pick. I honestly don't think Mariota is a top-ten pick. Tons of questions with him and the system he comes from and everyone is saying he will need time so that means no expected impact this year and that is tough to swallow especially if a team is competitive and can't wait a year or two on Mariota.

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mike freemanVerified account ‏@mikefreemanNFL 23h23 hours ago

Just passing along. Don't blame messenger: more than a few teams not happy Mariota said he doesn't care if he goes No. 1 overall.

Jeremy Fowler @JFowlerESPN · 22h 22 hours ago

My thought on Mariota: Don't force it. If he falls past Jets at 6, pounce. Jumping from 12 to 2 costs too much.

http://espn.go.com/blog/cleveland-browns/post/_/id/12507/marcus-mariota-trade-enticing-but-does-it-make-sense

...if the discussion is whether the Browns can get from No. 12 overall to No. 2 overall, that’s going to take more than the Browns’ two firsts (12 and 19). It’s going to take those two picks, plus, at the least, a high future pick, either a first or second.

And possibly more than that.

Mariota probably won’t command an RG3-sized haul, but the Titans exchanging 12/19 for 2 would be buying an Igloo in Daytona Beach.

A team must looooove Mariota to do that. I’m not convinced the Browns are there, though a private workout can always change that.

Ray Farmer is enticed by trades but would be hard-pressed to give up three or more valuable picks for a player who's not considered the best at his position in this draft.

That’s why the Browns have at least four options that seem more sensible than an all-in aggressive play on Mariota.

1, See if Mariota falls past the Jets at 6 then consider a move up.

2. Let Mariota fall to you at 12.

3. Dangle that No. 19 overall pick to Chip Kelly for Sam Bradford.

4. Do the best you can with Josh McCown, Johnny Manziel, and possibly Bryce Petty while loading up for 2016.

That last option won’t be attractive for Browns fans, but it enables the team to the complete the roster overhaul then comb what’s considered a good 2016 quarterback stable. Michigan State’s Connor Cook, Penn State’s Christian Hackenberg and Ohio State’s Cardale Jones should be available. This gives the Browns one more chance to see the

Manziel project through.

Manziel's play in 2014 was woeful. But that's seven quarters of woeful play, not seven games. Dumping a first-round quarterback after seven quarters goes against everything a build-through-the-draft GM stands for.

Yes, most playoff runs are made with stellar quarterbacks. But improvement is still attainable with average quarterback play, at least for a year. The

Texans and Bills won nine games apiece last year with this quarterback stable – Kyle Orton, EJ Manuel, Ryan Mallett, Ryan Fitzpatrick, Case Keenum.

It’s not that you can’t win without a quarterback; you can’t win big.

Couple the offense with a receiver from the first two rounds. Run the ball a lot and hope for the best. Add offensive line depth.

Get the right quarterback if he comes to you, or if you absolutely love him, consider him a franchise-saver.

Don’t force it.

If Mariota falls to seven, then you have something.

Twelve to 2 will hurt worse than you’d think, especially as Mariota could require patience to grasp an NFL system.

 

[Soulfly3]

I was kidding around, Bracie. This avatar changes for noone. I am carl. carl is me.

 

[MAC_32]

Doesn't care if he goes number one, red flag.

Lol.

The Bridgewater seeds, they have been planted. Keep being dumb, nfl people.

 

[cstu]

Doesn't care if he goes number one, red flag.

Lol.

The Bridgewater seeds, they have been planted. Keep being dumb, nfl people.

 

[cstu]

Mariota probably won’t command an RG3-sized haul, but the Titans exchanging 12/19 for 2 would be buying an Igloo in Daytona Beach.

Would be a steal.

 

[Donnybrook]

Mariota probably won’t command an RG3-sized haul, but the Titans exchanging 12/19 for 2 would be buying an Igloo in Daytona Beach.

Would be a steal.

Interesting. I think the Titans shouldn't take that deal because of Leonard Williams but I think the Jags should make that deal.

 

[ghostguy123]

I would bet serious money that NFL teams do not actually think it is a negative that Mariotta said he doesnt care if he goes #1. I dont care what is reported on it.

I will let common sense prevail on this one.

 

[Bracie Smathers]

Doesn't care if he goes number one, red flag.

Lol.

The Bridgewater seeds, they have been planted. Keep being dumb, nfl people.

Were the NFL planting Jonny 'Apple' seeds last year when talk sprouted prior to the fan hype that he wasn't a top-ten pick?

I recall one person in this thread who wanted the Browns to trade-up for Teddy or use the #4 pick on him when it was obvious to many that Teddy would fall and was not worth the #4 pick let alone trading-up for. Same could be said for some of the Johnny fans.

Right now we are about to officially enter the silly season since the NFL owners are meeting in Phoenix and many trade 'rumors' get floated and some 'dirt' or 'questions' emerge on a player comes that seems to come out of nowhere.

If you haven't, go and really study Marcus Mariota's game and tell me you can extrapolate those numbers form that system into the NFL. Those numbers he put in that system mean nothing. Study his game and you will find flaws like how the only time he steps up and fires a rocket is when the pocket is squeaky clean. How when his accuracy fails it came when the defense matched the speed of that gimmicky offense. He's not going to be operating that offense in the NFL even if he lands in Philly with Chip.

Not even Chip can maintain that hyper pace that Oregon runs and no one is going to allow their first round QB to run an option-type of offense that Shanny used when RG III got injured. All of that stuff didn't go away but no one is using it as a base offense and the hyper pace that Oregon's offense operates at cannot be maintained over a game let alone a full 16 game season because it burns out the offensive linemen.

Mariota has the size, decent arm, nice kid, great scrambling ability, but he's an unknown quantity because that offense he ran isn't used in the NFL. He didn't take snaps under center, he didn't have anything like an NFL playbook, he doesn't know the NFL offenses so he's a project who won't provide impact his rookie year like Winston or other top rated prospects so take another look at those teams picking in the top ten and tell me who is going to roll the dice because its not only about long-term upside of Marcus but the opportunity cost of bypassing a surer thing.

Tennessee going to bypass a Leonard Williams or a pass rusher for a two year project at QB? Certainly not Jacksonville or Oakland or other teams who have QBs so is the Washington owner who reportedly still loves him going to give up on RG III and take the risk and then wait? How about the Jets who just spent tens of millions of dollars putting in place the greatest assembly of cornerback talent in the league? They spent that money to build the defense to suit the DC's vision of having shut-down corners so he can blitz all day long. So they did that and instead of landing one of the top pass rushers they take a project QB and wait two years while Revis' contact bloats as he ages? The only other team that you can make a good case for is Chicago but they have Cutler and lots of holes.

Last year people were arguing vehemately that Bridgewater and Manziel wouldn't fall and that if you wanted them you would have to pay through the nose just like the RG III trade, yadda yadda yadda. Mariota isn't RG III, he's no sure bet. He is a gamble a risk and he won't provide instant impact like some of the other top prospects. Its highly conceivable that he falls to the #12 pick or even further like Bridgewater and Manziel did last year.

Don't forget our new QB coach not only helped to prep Mariota for the Combine, he also helped Bryce Petty and his stock is reportedly rising.

 

[The Man With No Name]

http://mattwaldmanrsp.com/2015/01/25/rsp-film-room-no-25-qb-marcus-mariota/

 

[Soulfly3]

LaCanfora is convinced the Titans take Mariotta at no2. Stupidity for them to do.

But say they do....

Id be all over us trying to pry Mettenberger from there for a 2nd or 3rd... no? think he has loads of potential... prob never gonna be a star, but a solid qb seems quite likely.

 

[cstu]

Last year people were arguing vehemately that Bridgewater and Manziel wouldn't fall and that if you wanted them you would have to pay through the nose just like the RG III trade, yadda yadda yadda. Mariota isn't RG III, he's no sure bet. He is a gamble a risk and he won't provide instant impact like some of the other top prospects. Its highly conceivable that he falls to the #12 pick or even further like Bridgewater and Manziel did last year.

He's better.

 

[MAC_32]

Doesn't care if he goes number one, red flag.

Lol.

The Bridgewater seeds, they have been planted. Keep being dumb, nfl people.

Were the NFL planting Jonny 'Apple' seeds last year when talk sprouted prior to the fan hype that he wasn't a top-ten pick? I recall one person in this thread who wanted the Browns to trade-up for Teddy or use the #4 pick on him when it was obvious to many that Teddy would fall and was not worth the #4 pick let alone trading-up for.

Guilty.Salt, wound.

 

[MAC_32]

LaCanfora is convinced the Titans take Mariotta at no2. Stupidity for them to do.

But say they do....

Id be all over us trying to pry Mettenberger from there for a 2nd or 3rd... no? think he has loads of potential... prob never gonna be a star, but a solid qb seems quite likely.

Does he come with OBJ and Landry?

 

[RC94]

From Rotoworld:

Jimmy Haslam - C - Browns
Vic Carucci of the Buffalo News is hearing the Browns are the "front-runner" to be featured on HBO's 2015 Hard Knocks series.

This would be a doozy. The Browns have reached a new low in terms of organizational dysfunction under (accused) federal criminal Jimmy Haslam, drafting Johnny Manziel per the owner's orders and also whiffing (so far) on No. 8 overall pick Justin Gilbert. Manziel has been in rehab for more than six weeks. GM Ray Farmer proved in well above his head in his first year on the job, illegally text messaging the Browns' sideline during 2014 games. The dysfunction led to OC Kyle Shanahan essentially quitting after the season. Currently, the Browns have easily the NFL's worst offensive depth chart. The Browns opening their doors to HBO's cameras would give the world a real chance to see what a perennial loser looks like, and why bad teams in the NFL tend to stay bad.

 

[MAC_32]

When did Vic go to buffalo?

Eta, never mind, apparently I put those boobs on 850 on such a level of mute this season I didn't even realize he left in September.

 

[Bracie Smathers]

LaCanfora is convinced the Titans take Mariotta at no2. Stupidity for them to do.

But say they do....

Id be all over us trying to pry Mettenberger from there for a 2nd or 3rd... no? think he has loads of potential... prob never gonna be a star, but a solid qb seems quite likely.

Tennessee hired former Pittsburgh DC **** LeBeau as a special defensive assistant. I think they hired him for a reason, to build up that defense. If LeBeau has any say he's going to either land a cornerstone to build that defense around.

The media can be used as mouth pieces for teams, they can be used as stooges, they can also be pushing their own agendas. Last year no one seemed to realize the Jaguars had locked up the decision on Bortles. The media was pushing the Johnny agenda because it meant ratings. Last year at this time Manziel was seen by more than a few in the media as the top pick by Houston. Virtually all of the big media outlets were pimping him as a top-ten pick, same with Bridgewater. One of the reasons is because they only care about the buzz. They thought media buzz = higher draft value.

Last year they looking at teams in need of a QB with high picks thinking media buzz equated to higher prospect value so what was the big storyline last year? The Cleveland Browns with a rookie GM will trade both first round draft picks and probably more to move-up to take Johnny Manziel with the first pick of the draft. They REALLY wanted that to happen. That story grew because it was fed by teams with high picks who had no intention of taking Johny or Teddy but who were feeding the media that storyline because it fed into their NFL agenda of fleecing some team in a trade.

I'm not saying LaConfora is a mouth piece or a stooge but teams with high picks who have no desire to take Mariota certainly would love to fleece some team into trading-up for him if they could and the best way to leak that info is to feed it to someone in the media.

Last year people were arguing vehemately that Bridgewater and Manziel wouldn't fall and that if you wanted them you would have to pay through the nose just like the RG III trade, yadda yadda yadda. Mariota isn't RG III, he's no sure bet. He is a gamble a risk and he won't provide instant impact like some of the other top prospects. Its highly conceivable that he falls to the #12 pick or even further like Bridgewater and Manziel did last year.

He's better.

CSTU you have been a big Mariota pimp, probably the biggest on the boards so I am sure you believe this but its about valuing prospects and RG III was definitely viewed as a better prospect coming out than Marcus Mariota.

The biggest difference between the two that I see on a personal level is confidence.

RG III oozed confidence whereas Mariota was lead around the Combine by Jamies Winston who owned it. Personally I like Marcus, he does seem like a nice kid but his body language screams follower not leader. I'm not going to get into a debate because you love him but he's scares me as an NFL quarterback prospect. I can see him falling to the Browns pick.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Vic Carucci of the Buffalo News is hearing the Browns are the "front-runner" to be featured on HBO's 2015 Hard Knocks series.

This would be a doozy. The Browns have reached a new low in terms of organizational dysfunction under (accused) federal criminal Jimmy Haslam, drafting Johnny Manziel per the owner's orders and also whiffing (so far) on No. 8 overall pick Justin Gilbert. Manziel has been in rehab for more than six weeks. GM Ray Farmer proved in well above his head in his first year on the job, illegally text messaging the Browns' sideline during 2014 games. The dysfunction led to OC Kyle Shanahan essentially quitting after the season. Currently, the Browns have easily the NFL's worst offensive depth chart. The Browns opening their doors to HBO's cameras would give the world a real chance to see what a perennial loser looks like, and why bad teams in the NFL tend to stay bad.

 

[Captain Quinoa]

LaCanfora is convinced the Titans take Mariotta at no2. Stupidity for them to do.

But say they do....

Id be all over us trying to pry Mettenberger from there for a 2nd or 3rd... no? think he has loads of potential... prob never gonna be a star, but a solid qb seems quite likely.

Trade a 2nd or 3rd for a 6th round pick who went 0-6? No.

 

[Soulfly3]

LaCanfora is convinced the Titans take Mariotta at no2. Stupidity for them to do.

But say they do....

Id be all over us trying to pry Mettenberger from there for a 2nd or 3rd... no? think he has loads of potential... prob never gonna be a star, but a solid qb seems quite likely.

Trade a 2nd or 3rd for a 6th round pick who went 0-6? No.

233ypg, 1.33 td/gm, 61% completion rate

I dunno... are you really that down on the kid? Looked poised and quite strong to me.

 

[Captain Quinoa]

LaCanfora is convinced the Titans take Mariotta at no2. Stupidity for them to do.

But say they do....

Id be all over us trying to pry Mettenberger from there for a 2nd or 3rd... no? think he has loads of potential... prob never gonna be a star, but a solid qb seems quite likely.

Trade a 2nd or 3rd for a 6th round pick who went 0-6? No.

233ypg, 1.33 td/gm, 61% completion rate

I dunno... are you really that down on the kid? Looked poised and quite strong to me.

could be better than what we have but i'm not giving up a 2/3 to find out.

 

[B-Deep]

Did someone post the rumor that Haslam could try and swap the browns for the Titans?

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/writer/jason-la-canfora/25119985/titans-sale-getting-closer-but-dont-rule-out-haslam-swapping-browns

for the record i think this is silly and there is 0 chance it happens, but lets say it may...without knowing the new owner straight up right now would browns fans want Haslam to swap out or would you rather have him stay?

 

[Bracie Smathers]

Did someone post the rumor that Haslam could try and swap the browns for the Titans?

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/writer/jason-la-canfora/25119985/titans-sale-getting-closer-but-dont-rule-out-haslam-swapping-browns

for the record i think this is silly and there is 0 chance it happens, but lets say it may...without knowing the new owner straight up right now would browns fans want Haslam to swap out or would you rather have him stay?

Its silly and LaConfora got taken to task by well-known media types but he said he had sources. Its possible that Haslam was looking into the Titans before he became owner of the Browns. He held a stake in the Steelers and was actively seeking NFL ownership. His brother is governor of Tennessee and his family has deep stakes at UT and believe it or not the NFL had two franchises switch teams a long time ago, the Colts and Rams. This is something I had never heard of before and had no idea how much influence that Carroll Rosenbloom played in shaking different NFL franchises or how successful he was on the field. His Colt team played in what has been called 'the greatest NFL game ever'. He won a ton of games. Pretty interesting.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carroll_Rosenbloom

Carroll Rosenbloom (March 5, 1907 – April 2, 1979) was an American businessman. He was the owner of two National Football League franchises; he was the first owner of the Baltimore Colts, and later switched teams, taking ownership of the Los Angeles Rams.[1][2]

... Baltimore Colts (1953–1971)[edit]

After losing the original Colts team in 1951, the city of Baltimore petitioned the NFL for another franchise. Around this time, NFL Commissioner Bert Bell wanted to find a new home for the Dallas Texans, an NFL expansion team that folded after one failed season in 1952. Bell sought a competitive new owner with financial resources. From their days together at Penn, Bell thought Rosenbloom would be a great fit. Though Rosenbloom was hesitant at first to own a franchise, he relented and bought the team along with a group of other investors. Rosenbloom's share cost him $13,000. In January 1953, the NFL awarded the city of Baltimore the Dallas Texans franchise, with Rosenbloom as the principal owner.[2][4]

During his stewardship of both franchises, Rosenbloom amassed the best ownership winning percentage in league history (.660), a total regular season record of 226 wins, 116 losses, and 8 ties, as well as 3 NFL championships (1958,1959,1968), and 1 Super Bowl (Super Bowl V).[3]

... while Rosenbloom loved the Colts, due to issues with the Baltimore Memorial Stadium and the city's officials, Rosenbloom wanted to leave Baltimore.[2] In the next offseason in 1972, Rosenbloom completed a historic tax-free swapping of teams with new Los Angeles Rams owner Robert Irsay.[12

Where is falls apart is Jimmy Haslam is a businessman and the Browns are simply a more lucrative franchise than the Titans. The Browns previous owner didn't maximize profit streams, didn't max out naming rights, TV rights, and Haslam has done those things, increased ticket prices after getting over $100 million renovations paid for by the taxpayers. He's sitting pretty whereas the Titans have already maxed out profit streams, the market is smaller and less established with less upside than the Browns. Doesn't make sense business wise on any level.

I guess the only way this could happen is if the NFL it truly rigged where they think certain fan bases can be abused so they would swap out their franchise if they thought it would start winning just like the Ravens did after the league let Art move the franchise from Cleveland sticking the fans and taxpayers with losing teams and paying extra for that privilege. I am beginning to think the NFL really doesn't give a #### about fans and that they do high level computations seeing how much certain fan bases can take and how much they can milk out of them. I wouldn't put it past the league but if its just Jimmy he is about the bottom line and it makes zero sense for him.

LaConfora probably heard some chatter and I think the NFL is considering how they can increase revenue and I am sure they talk about all sorts of things that won't happen like that stupid extra point rule that the Colts tried to get implemented where teams could get 3 points from an extra point. Dumb things get discussed doesn't mean they'll ever happen.

 

[B-Deep]

Did someone post the rumor that Haslam could try and swap the browns for the Titans?

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/writer/jason-la-canfora/25119985/titans-sale-getting-closer-but-dont-rule-out-haslam-swapping-browns

for the record i think this is silly and there is 0 chance it happens, but lets say it may...without knowing the new owner straight up right now would browns fans want Haslam to swap out or would you rather have him stay?

Its silly and LaConfora got taken to task by well-known media types but he said he had sources. Its possible that Haslam was looking into the Titans before he became owner of the Browns. He held a stake in the Steelers and was actively seeking NFL ownership. His brother is governor of Tennessee and his family has deep stakes at UT and believe it or not the NFL had two franchises switch teams a long time ago, the Colts and Rams. This is something I had never heard of before and had no idea how much influence that Carroll Rosenbloom played in shaking different NFL franchises or how successful he was on the field. His Colt team played in what has been called 'the greatest NFL game ever'. He won a ton of games. Pretty interesting.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carroll_Rosenbloom

Carroll Rosenbloom (March 5, 1907 – April 2, 1979) was an American businessman. He was the owner of two National Football League franchises; he was the first owner of the Baltimore Colts, and later switched teams, taking ownership of the Los Angeles Rams.[1][2]

... Baltimore Colts (1953–1971)[edit]

After losing the original Colts team in 1951, the city of Baltimore petitioned the NFL for another franchise. Around this time, NFL Commissioner Bert Bell wanted to find a new home for the Dallas Texans, an NFL expansion team that folded after one failed season in 1952. Bell sought a competitive new owner with financial resources. From their days together at Penn, Bell thought Rosenbloom would be a great fit. Though Rosenbloom was hesitant at first to own a franchise, he relented and bought the team along with a group of other investors. Rosenbloom's share cost him $13,000. In January 1953, the NFL awarded the city of Baltimore the Dallas Texans franchise, with Rosenbloom as the principal owner.[2][4]

During his stewardship of both franchises, Rosenbloom amassed the best ownership winning percentage in league history (.660), a total regular season record of 226 wins, 116 losses, and 8 ties, as well as 3 NFL championships (1958,1959,1968), and 1 Super Bowl (Super Bowl V).[3]

... while Rosenbloom loved the Colts, due to issues with the Baltimore Memorial Stadium and the city's officials, Rosenbloom wanted to leave Baltimore.[2] In the next offseason in 1972, Rosenbloom completed a historic tax-free swapping of teams with new Los Angeles Rams owner Robert Irsay.[12

Where is falls apart is Jimmy Haslam is a businessman and the Browns are simply a more lucrative franchise than the Titans. The Browns previous owner didn't maximize profit streams, didn't max out naming rights, TV rights, and Haslam has done those things, increased ticket prices after getting over $100 million renovations paid for by the taxpayers. He's sitting pretty whereas the Titans have already maxed out profit streams, the market is smaller and less established with less upside than the Browns. Doesn't make sense business wise on any level.

I guess the only way this could happen is if the NFL it truly rigged where they think certain fan bases can be abused so they would swap out their franchise if they thought it would start winning just like the Ravens did after the league let Art move the franchise from Cleveland sticking the fans and taxpayers with losing teams and paying extra for that privilege. I am beginning to think the NFL really doesn't give a #### about fans and that they do high level computations seeing how much certain fan bases can take and how much they can milk out of them. I wouldn't put it past the league but if its just Jimmy he is about the bottom line and it makes zero sense for him.

LaConfora probably heard some chatter and I think the NFL is considering how they can increase revenue and I am sure they talk about all sorts of things that won't happen like that stupid extra point rule that the Colts tried to get implemented where teams could get 3 points from an extra point. Dumb things get discussed doesn't mean they'll ever happen.

i agree it all seems far fetched

but my question is, IF it was possible, would browns fans sign up for it right now if they could?

 

[B-Deep]

though for the record, i think your browns fandom has skewed your view of their value

forbes last season ranked the Browns below the Titans and near the bottom for team value

http://www.forbes.com/nfl-valuations/#page:1_sort:0_direction:asc_search:

Titans were 19 browns were 22. I'ds say their values are pretty similar, so the appeal of owning a team in your how state could be real. I do not, however, think the entire swap is feasible.Your view is the Titans are maxed the browns are minimized, but that's just your opinion based on what you perceive to be weaknesses in prior ownership. At this point ehri value is similar.

 

[Bracie Smathers]

though for the record, i think your browns fandom has skewed your view of their value

forbes last season ranked the Browns below the Titans and near the bottom for team value

http://www.forbes.com/nfl-valuations/#page:1_sort:0_direction:asc_search:

Titans were 19 browns were 22. I'ds say their values are pretty similar, so the appeal of owning a team in your how state could be real. I do not, however, think the entire swap is feasible.Your view is the Titans are maxed the browns are minimized, but that's just your opinion based on what you perceive to be weaknesses in prior ownership. At this point ehri value is similar.

No, no way would any team wish a franchise swap with the Titans IMHO. They are going through some sort of ownership shakeup and the personnel is bad. Browns HC looks solid and we hold two first round draft picks and extra 4th and 6th round picks this year and are scheduled for 4 compensatory picks in the 2016 draft and hold the most cap room of any NFL team right now.

When jimmy took over the Browns they were not maxed out. He sold naming rights, he got better TV deals, he got a major renovation of the stadium, he increased ticket prices for the first time in a few years. I'm no accountant but making moves, such as a complete renovation of the stadium Wi-Fi new scoreboard etc. may not automatically show on a ledger. Browns fan base is one of the largest and most loyal of any team and one of the most well established. Again, not being an accountant I can safely say on a pure business level I'd want to own the Browns over the Titans due to the fan base.

The thing people don't realize about the NFL is that owners have only one thing that they take in money from and in a crude sense sell.

The fan base.

That is the real thing of value, the thing they take in money from, not the players or stadium. They don't take-in money from their players they take in money from their fans and they sell their fan base to media outlets. That is the product of NFL owners is the stadium/players etc. but the real value is their fan base.

 

[Bracie Smathers]

LaConfora is sticking by his guns.

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Jason La Canfora @JasonLaCanfora · 2h 2 hours ago

Cleveland media has no clue who I'm talking to and many are on the team's payroll$ This is how it goes. No worries @nadsonmilo

 

[amnesiac]

LaConfora is sticking by his guns.

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Jason La Canfora @JasonLaCanfora · 2h 2 hours ago

Cleveland media has no clue who I'm talking to and many are on the team's payroll$ This is how it goes. No worries @nadsonmilo

this seems a rather bizzare story to stake your reputation to. even if there was some chatter there's got to be less than a 1% chance this happens.

 

[amnesiac]

i've watched a bit of film on Mariotta.

no problem with drafting him at 1.12

trading up a couple of spots to get him would also be ok.

burning several picks to get into the top 5 i can't get behind at this moment.

 

[PlasmaDogPlasma]

i agree it all seems far fetched

but my question is, IF it was possible, would browns fans sign up for it right now if they could?

Oh God yes. I would be dancing in the streets if we were rid of Haslam.

 

[ghostguy123]

Did someone post the rumor that Haslam could try and swap the browns for the Titans?

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/writer/jason-la-canfora/25119985/titans-sale-getting-closer-but-dont-rule-out-haslam-swapping-browns

for the record i think this is silly and there is 0 chance it happens, but lets say it may...without knowing the new owner straight up right now would browns fans want Haslam to swap out or would you rather have him stay?

Swap

 

[Bracie Smathers]

i've watched a bit of film on Mariotta.

no problem with drafting him at 1.12

trading up a couple of spots to get him would also be ok.

burning several picks to get into the top 5 i can't get behind at this moment.

Brugler audio interview where he breaks down the risk with Mariota.

http://cleveland.cbslocal.com/2015/03/24/dane-brugler-says-when-you-isolate-all-the-traits-its-all-there-for-mariota-but-hes-such-a-big-projection/

Dane Brugler Says “When You Isolate All the Traits, It’s All There For Mariota; But He’s Such a Big Projection”Listen to Bull & Fox weekdays 2-7pm on 92.3 The FanMarch 24, 2015 4:28 PM

CBS Sports NFL draft analyst Dane Brugler joined Bull & Fox to talk about his latest mock draft, the basis for why he has the Browns taking two defensive linemen in the first round, the opportunity to get one of the top three wide receivers, the breakdown on Marcus Mariota and if he’s worth trading up for and other quarterbacks that could draw interest after the first round.

And per swapping franchises with Tennessee?

Why give up two first round picks this year for one, give up our two extra later picks this year, give up our four compensatory picks next year, give up established Pro Bowlers in their prime Joe Thomas, Joe Haden, Alex Mack, Joel Bitonio, give up our solid defense for the Titans D, and give the most cap space in the NFL to take a franchise that is in turmoil that lacks a franchise QB, that doesn't have the Pro Bowl talent on its roster, that doesn't have the cap space or extra draft picks this year and next year. Blow everything up and fall years behind where we are today.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

And per swapping franchises with Tennessee?

Why give up two first round picks this year for one, give up our two extra later picks this year, give up our four compensatory picks next year, give up established Pro Bowlers in their prime Joe Thomas, Joe Haden, Alex Mack, Joel Bitonio, give up our solid defense for the Titans D, and give the most cap space in the NFL to take a franchise that is in turmoil that lacks a franchise QB, that doesn't have the Pro Bowl talent on its roster, that doesn't have the cap space or extra draft picks this year and next year. Blow everything up and fall years behind where we are today.

Is that how it would work? The owners wouldn't just swap places with everything else remaining in tact? That's how I was picturing it.

 

[Bracie Smathers]

And per swapping franchises with Tennessee?

Why give up two first round picks this year for one, give up our two extra later picks this year, give up our four compensatory picks next year, give up established Pro Bowlers in their prime Joe Thomas, Joe Haden, Alex Mack, Joel Bitonio, give up our solid defense for the Titans D, and give the most cap space in the NFL to take a franchise that is in turmoil that lacks a franchise QB, that doesn't have the Pro Bowl talent on its roster, that doesn't have the cap space or extra draft picks this year and next year. Blow everything up and fall years behind where we are today.

Is that how it would work? The owners wouldn't just swap places with everything else remaining in tact? That's how I was picturing it.

I had heard just the opposite. Considering its not going to happen the details aren't going to come out.

EDIT: Browns beat writer Tony Grossi got the text of this during the press conference by Browns GM Ray Farmer and Tony jokingly asked Farmer if he had his bags packed to go to Tennessee. Farmer asked him why and Ray checked his texts and rolled his eyes and read the news and then let out a huge laugh and vehemently denied the story. So based on that account it seemed like the rumor was of relocating the players and front offices, not just the owners moving to different states.

 

[daveR]

Speaking of texts... The whole texting to the sidelines has been a real yawner to me, so far. Then, I stopped to wonder how anybody found out about it. Suppose our now-deposed OC turned him in because he imposed his will on the coaches?

 

[PlasmaDogPlasma]

Speaking of texts... The whole texting to the sidelines has been a real yawner to me, so far. Then, I stopped to wonder how anybody found out about it. Suppose our now-deposed OC turned him in because he imposed his will on the coaches?

I thought that was the assumption all along.

 

[Bobcat10]

Speaking of texts... The whole texting to the sidelines has been a real yawner to me, so far. Then, I stopped to wonder how anybody found out about it. Suppose our now-deposed OC turned him in because he imposed his will on the coaches?

I think that's pretty obvious...as well as one of the voices in LaCanfora's ears.

It's not going to be a yawner if they hammer us for texting and nothing happens to New England. I also think the Falcons pumping noise effects the game on the field. Deflate > Noise > Text. I understand they still need to make a point that it will not be tolerated and a hefty fine levied upon our GM seems more than fitting. Taking draft picks away, especially in the first 3 rounds, is excessive. I mean, an owner or GM can (actually, some do) walk down to the sidelines and tell coaches exactly what was in the texts.

 

[B-Deep]

Speaking of texts... The whole texting to the sidelines has been a real yawner to me, so far. Then, I stopped to wonder how anybody found out about it. Suppose our now-deposed OC turned him in because he imposed his will on the coaches?

I think that's pretty obvious...as well as one of the voices in LaCanfora's ears.

It's not going to be a yawner if they hammer us for texting and nothing happens to New England. I also think the Falcons pumping noise effects the game on the field. Deflate > Noise > Text. I understand they still need to make a point that it will not be tolerated and a hefty fine levied upon our GM seems more than fitting. Taking draft picks away, especially in the first 3 rounds, is excessive. I mean, an owner or GM can (actually, some do) walk down to the sidelines and tell coaches exactly what was in the texts.

Deflate Gate is gonna be tough to prove though

i agree the noise thing should be more severe than texting

 

[B-Deep]

OK,

so since there seems to be a lot of browns fans that are buckeyes fans

IF Braxton Miller gets hit with some sort of suspension (big if i know)

then maybe he considers the supplemental draft

IF he does (another big if) would you be in favor of the browns going for him?

again i have no idea if any of this has any basis in reality, it just occurred to me when i saw the picture he posted and heard it may be a violation, with all the competition at OSU a violation may be enough to get you a seat on the bench for good. They have 3 great qbs and they are not all going to get time.

oh and if someone else brought this up sorry!!!!

 

[amnesiac]

i don't really care for Miller as a QB, especially at the NFL level.

add to that the unstable shoulder and i'd definitely pass.

 

[Bracie Smathers]

Speaking of texts... The whole texting to the sidelines has been a real yawner to me, so far. Then, I stopped to wonder how anybody found out about it. Suppose our now-deposed OC turned him in because he imposed his will on the coaches?

I think that's pretty obvious...as well as one of the voices in LaCanfora's ears.

It's not going to be a yawner if they hammer us for texting and nothing happens to New England. I also think the Falcons pumping noise effects the game on the field. Deflate > Noise > Text. I understand they still need to make a point that it will not be tolerated and a hefty fine levied upon our GM seems more than fitting. Taking draft picks away, especially in the first 3 rounds, is excessive. I mean, an owner or GM can (actually, some do) walk down to the sidelines and tell coaches exactly what was in the texts.

Deflate Gate is gonna be tough to prove though

i agree the noise thing should be more severe than texting

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B8jWLAICcAA2udr.jpg:large

 

[Bobcat10]

Speaking of texts... The whole texting to the sidelines has been a real yawner to me, so far. Then, I stopped to wonder how anybody found out about it. Suppose our now-deposed OC turned him in because he imposed his will on the coaches?

I think that's pretty obvious...as well as one of the voices in LaCanfora's ears.

It's not going to be a yawner if they hammer us for texting and nothing happens to New England. I also think the Falcons pumping noise effects the game on the field. Deflate > Noise > Text. I understand they still need to make a point that it will not be tolerated and a hefty fine levied upon our GM seems more than fitting. Taking draft picks away, especially in the first 3 rounds, is excessive. I mean, an owner or GM can (actually, some do) walk down to the sidelines and tell coaches exactly what was in the texts.

Deflate Gate is gonna be tough to prove though

i agree the noise thing should be more severe than texting

Tough to prove maybe, but easy to cover up and make excuses for from the league's standpoint.

 

[Bracie Smathers]

LaConfora is sticking by his guns.

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Jason La Canfora @JasonLaCanfora · 2h 2 hours ago

Cleveland media has no clue who I'm talking to and many are on the team's payroll$ This is how it goes. No worries @nadsonmilo

this seems a rather bizzare story to stake your reputation to.even if there was some chatter there's got to be less than a 1% chance this happens.

I guess that LaConfora is a friend of deposed Browns GM Mike Lombardi and its also been said that LaConfora has been doing hatchet pieces on the Browns spewing out all sorts of negative information that he is getting from someone and spinning everything they do in a negative light and dictating the narrative.

One of LaConfora's latest tweets pretty much sums up what you can read into anything concerning the Browns because the jig is up. He IS a mouthpiece for Michael Lombardi.

ACTUAL TWEET made in the last 24 hours from Jason LaConfora:

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Jason La Canfora @JasonLaCanfora · 16h 16 hours ago

Bfyhtgrybctdfbvhx0hfbrebhXhdhzxhfchHJ

 

[Captain Quinoa]

Schefter says they will not lose a draft pick for textgate. Huge break. Just a big fine and Farmer suspension.

 

[Captain Quinoa]

Schefter says they will not lose a draft pick for textgate. Huge break. Just a big fine and Farmer suspension.

Troy Vincent confirms. $250k fine, Farmer suspended 1st 4 regular season games.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Schefter says they will not lose a draft pick for textgate. Huge break. Just a big fine and Farmer suspension.

Troy Vincent confirms. $250k fine, Farmer suspended 1st 4 regular season games.

I love when a GM gets suspended for X amount of games. What does that even mean?

 

[Bracie Smathers]

Schefter says they will not lose a draft pick for textgate. Huge break. Just a big fine and Farmer suspension.

Troy Vincent confirms. $250k fine, Farmer suspended 1st 4 regular season games.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=umDr0mPuyQc

 

[Captain Quinoa]

Schefter says they will not lose a draft pick for textgate. Huge break. Just a big fine and Farmer suspension.

Troy Vincent confirms. $250k fine, Farmer suspended 1st 4 regular season games.

I love when a GM gets suspended for X amount of games. What does that even mean?

"Ray Farmer cannot be involved in any club matters and is prohibited from being at the Browns’ offices or games during his suspension"

 

[The Man With No Name]

Speaking of texts... The whole texting to the sidelines has been a real yawner to me, so far. Then, I stopped to wonder how anybody found out about it. Suppose our now-deposed OC turned him in because he imposed his will on the coaches?

I think that's pretty obvious...as well as one of the voices in LaCanfora's ears.

It's not going to be a yawner if they hammer us for texting and nothing happens to New England. I also think the Falcons pumping noise effects the game on the field. Deflate > Noise > Text. I understand they still need to make a point that it will not be tolerated and a hefty fine levied upon our GM seems more than fitting. Taking draft picks away, especially in the first 3 rounds, is excessive. I mean, an owner or GM can (actually, some do) walk down to the sidelines and tell coaches exactly what was in the texts.

Atlanta is expected to lose a draft pick, per Schefter

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Schefter says they will not lose a draft pick for textgate. Huge break. Just a big fine and Farmer suspension.

Troy Vincent confirms. $250k fine, Farmer suspended 1st 4 regular season games.

I love when a GM gets suspended for X amount of games. What does that even mean?

"Ray Farmer cannot be involved in any club matters and is prohibited from being at the Browns’ offices or games during his suspension"

Once the season starts th bulk of his job is completed anyway - plus it seems tough to enforce, outside of the ban from the facilities.

 

[Bobcat10]

Speaking of texts... The whole texting to the sidelines has been a real yawner to me, so far. Then, I stopped to wonder how anybody found out about it. Suppose our now-deposed OC turned him in because he imposed his will on the coaches?

I think that's pretty obvious...as well as one of the voices in LaCanfora's ears.

It's not going to be a yawner if they hammer us for texting and nothing happens to New England. I also think the Falcons pumping noise effects the game on the field. Deflate > Noise > Text. I understand they still need to make a point that it will not be tolerated and a hefty fine levied upon our GM seems more than fitting. Taking draft picks away, especially in the first 3 rounds, is excessive. I mean, an owner or GM can (actually, some do) walk down to the sidelines and tell coaches exactly what was in the texts.

Atlanta is expected to lose a draft pick, per Schefter

Yep, seems right to me. The league actually making good decisions...haven't felt that way in a while. Still think they screw up deflate gate though.