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[NJDawgPound]

Just a random observation, anyone notice now that Tony Grossi had the incident with the Plain Dealer and is now with ESPN Cleveland, he's been a little less pricky and the quality of his work has improved?

 

[wadegarrett]

Just a random observation, anyone notice now that Tony Grossi had the incident with the Plain Dealer and is now with ESPN Cleveland, he's been a little less pricky and the quality of his work has improved?

Definitely less of a doosh now.

 

[nxmehta]

Just a random observation, anyone notice now that Tony Grossi had the incident with the Plain Dealer and is now with ESPN Cleveland, he's been a little less pricky and the quality of his work has improved?

Definitely less of a doosh now.

Definitely. He's much better now. It's actually hilarious, often times he's the voice of reason when he's on air with those guys, when before he was a giant hater like Brinda.

 

[beer 30]

Just a random observation, anyone notice now that Tony Grossi had the incident with the Plain Dealer and is now with ESPN Cleveland, he's been a little less pricky and the quality of his work has improved?

Definitely less of a doosh now.

Definitely. He's much better now. It's actually hilarious, often times he's the voice of reason when he's on air with those guys, when before he was a giant hater like Brinda.

Yep, really like his radio time these days.

 

[Fallerjw]

Will Ryan Broyles still be available in round 4? Can he be a WR1 in the NFL?

Is this a possible scenario? Trade down from pick 4, and pick up an extra 2nd round pick.

1a. Rieff, DeCastro or Floyd

1b. Jonathan Martin, Mercilus

2a. Doug Martin, Vinny Curry

2b. Bobby Massie, Zebrie Sanders

3. Brandon Weeden

4. Ryan Broyles

 

[MAC_32]

Will Ryan Broyles still be available in round 4? Can he be a WR1 in the NFL? Is this a possible scenario? Trade down from pick 4, and pick up an extra 2nd round pick. 1a. Rieff, DeCastro or Floyd1b. Jonathan Martin, Mercilus2a. Doug Martin, Vinny Curry2b. Bobby Massie, Zebrie Sanders3. Brandon Weeden4. Ryan Broyles

Broyles is not a WR1, nor was he before the knee injury. At best, he's a decent complimentary WR. A lot of people loved him pre injury and honestly I never understood why. He's not big nor fast but he runs good routes, is a high effort guy, reads defenses well, and attacks the ball. I'm concerned he could be just like the army of Oklahoma WR's to come into the league recently, but the offense did fall apart without him so maybe he is valuable enough to have a role in the NFL. It's just that though, a role. If we pick Broyles he better be our 2nd WR picked in the draft and Massaquoi's ticket out of town. If we leave the draft with just Broyles at WR we had a lousy draft.

 

[GreatLakesMike]

Just a random observation, anyone notice now that Tony Grossi had the incident with the Plain Dealer and is now with ESPN Cleveland, he's been a little less pricky and the quality of his work has improved?

Definitely less of a doosh now.

Definitely. He's much better now. It's actually hilarious, often times he's the voice of reason when he's on air with those guys, when before he was a giant hater like Brinda.

Yep, really like his radio time these days.

I'm unable to catch him on the radio, but I've read a few of his articles since he's been with ESPN and thought the same thing.

 

[GreatLakesMike]

Will Ryan Broyles still be available in round 4? Can he be a WR1 in the NFL? Is this a possible scenario? Trade down from pick 4, and pick up an extra 2nd round pick. 1a. Rieff, DeCastro or Floyd1b. Jonathan Martin, Mercilus2a. Doug Martin, Vinny Curry2b. Bobby Massie, Zebrie Sanders3. Brandon Weeden4. Ryan Broyles

Broyles is not a WR1, nor was he before the knee injury. At best, he's a decent complimentary WR. A lot of people loved him pre injury and honestly I never understood why. He's not big nor fast but he runs good routes, is a high effort guy, reads defenses well, and attacks the ball. I'm concerned he could be just like the army of Oklahoma WR's to come into the league recently, but the offense did fall apart without him so maybe he is valuable enough to have a role in the NFL. It's just that though, a role. If we pick Broyles he better be our 2nd WR picked in the draft and Massaquoi's ticket out of town. If we leave the draft with just Broyles at WR we had a lousy draft.

Speaking of WRs under the radar, anyone have an idea of when Posey is projected to be drafted? I know he's had a few bouts of the dropsies, but TP didn't exactly throw the best ball. Questionable character, but it's not like he robbed a bank. Posey has good size/speed, can get deep, and has shown that he can make the spectacular catch. He's worth a flyer if the price is right IMO.

 

[wadegarrett]

Will Ryan Broyles still be available in round 4? Can he be a WR1 in the NFL? Is this a possible scenario? Trade down from pick 4, and pick up an extra 2nd round pick. 1a. Rieff, DeCastro or Floyd1b. Jonathan Martin, Mercilus2a. Doug Martin, Vinny Curry2b. Bobby Massie, Zebrie Sanders3. Brandon Weeden4. Ryan Broyles

Broyles is not a WR1, nor was he before the knee injury. At best, he's a decent complimentary WR. A lot of people loved him pre injury and honestly I never understood why. He's not big nor fast but he runs good routes, is a high effort guy, reads defenses well, and attacks the ball. I'm concerned he could be just like the army of Oklahoma WR's to come into the league recently, but the offense did fall apart without him so maybe he is valuable enough to have a role in the NFL. It's just that though, a role. If we pick Broyles he better be our 2nd WR picked in the draft and Massaquoi's ticket out of town. If we leave the draft with just Broyles at WR we had a lousy draft.

Speaking of WRs under the radar, anyone have an idea of when Posey is projected to be drafted? I know he's had a few bouts of the dropsies, but TP didn't exactly throw the best ball. Questionable character, but it's not like he robbed a bank. Posey has good size/speed, can get deep, and has shown that he can make the spectacular catch. He's worth a flyer if the price is right IMO.

Saw one site that had Posey as a 6th rounder.

 

[eakfootball]

From Tannehill's pro day:

Texas A&M quarterback Ryan Tannehill had an outstanding performance at his pro day, according to NFL.com's Gil Brandt.

This likely solidified his status as a top-10 pick in the NFL draft. There was "a large contingent" from the Cleveland Browns, which included offensive coordinator Brad Childress. Dolphins coach Joe Philbin and Seahawks coach Pete Carroll also attended the workout.

Tannehill reportedly has a pre-draft visit set up with the Browns, who have the fourth overall pick in the draft.

At his pro day, Tannehill showed off his mobility, accuracy and arm strength. While he wasn't throwing against a defense, he only had three incompletions (he missed one long pass and had two drops) on 68 passes thrown. He also ran the 40-yard dash in 4.62 seconds. As ESPN's Todd McShay pointed out, Andrew Luck ran it in 4.67 seconds, although Luck is an inch taller and 13 pounds heavier.

McShay said on ESPN's "SportsCenter" that Tannehill is a legitimate top-10 pick and believes he is a better fit for the Browns than the Dolphins, who select eighth.

"I would say the Browns, because they are a better team," McShay said when asked which team was a better fit for Tannehill. "They have better parts around the quarterback position. Miami, I'm not sure what the plan is when I look at the Miami organization. While they have Matt Moore and they brought in [David] Garrard, I just don't know if you want to bring in a young quarterback with everything else that’s going on in Miami."

Fellow ESPN draft analyst Mel Kiper Jr. disagreed.

"I can see Cleveland taking [Tannehill], but I disagree with them being the best fit," Kiper said. "I think it's Miami. When you have [offensive coordinator] Mike Sherman there, you have familiarity, and there's some personnel. I think you're [McShay] underrating that personnel base a little bit. Granted they have to do some work in the draft, no question about that."

Whether or not the Browns are the best fit, Tannehill shouldn't be in the conversation for them with the No. 4 pick. That choice should be between Alabama running back Trent Richardson and Oklahoma State wide receiver Justin Blackmon.

Even though the Browns need to upgrade at quarterback over Colt McCoy, it's a stretch to validate taking Tannehill that high. There are six elite prospects in this draft (Luck, Robert Griffin III, Matt Kalil, Richardson, Blackmon and Morris Claiborne), and Tannehill is not among them. His 19 starts in college make him too much of a risk.

If the Browns decide to trade back, then they should consider Tannehill.

http://espn.go.com/blog/afcnorth/post/_/id/44949/ryan-tannehill-impresses-at-his-pro-day

I caught the highlights of Tannehill's pro day. He looks the part, has a quiet confidence that you like to see, looked like he had a strong arm, but there was something about his throwing motion that I didn't like. It looked like he pushed the ball similarly to what you see weaker armed QBs do. I'm thrilled to see the Browns have a big presence there, we're certainly playing the hand well. I have a feeling Miami will get desperate on draft day and overpay for the #4 pick. I wouldn't mind their 8, as long as either Richardson, Claiborne, or Blackmon is there. BTW, Richardson's highlights had me drooling.I can see this happening:

1) Colts: Luck

2) Skins: RGIII

3) Vikes: Kalil

4) Dolphins: Tannehill

5) Bucs: Claiborne (Although they can eff us out of Richardson)

6) Rams: Blackmon

7) Jags: Reiff

8) Browns: Richardson

Or this happens:1. Colts: Luck

2. Skins: RG3

3. Vikes: Kalil

4. Phins: Tanny

5. Bucs: T-Rich

6. Rams: Blackmon

7. Jags: Claiborune

8. Browns: Reiff? Coples?

A second rounder is not worth risking the huge downgrade from Richardson to the other options IMO. Even though I haven't heard anyone talk about it, don't rule out the Jags taking Richardson if your scenerio happens. MJD has a lot of ware on his tires, and they were going to take Spiller two years ago, before Buffalo got him one pick ahead of them.

 

[GreatLakesMike]

Will Ryan Broyles still be available in round 4? Can he be a WR1 in the NFL? Is this a possible scenario? Trade down from pick 4, and pick up an extra 2nd round pick. 1a. Rieff, DeCastro or Floyd1b. Jonathan Martin, Mercilus2a. Doug Martin, Vinny Curry2b. Bobby Massie, Zebrie Sanders3. Brandon Weeden4. Ryan Broyles

Broyles is not a WR1, nor was he before the knee injury. At best, he's a decent complimentary WR. A lot of people loved him pre injury and honestly I never understood why. He's not big nor fast but he runs good routes, is a high effort guy, reads defenses well, and attacks the ball. I'm concerned he could be just like the army of Oklahoma WR's to come into the league recently, but the offense did fall apart without him so maybe he is valuable enough to have a role in the NFL. It's just that though, a role. If we pick Broyles he better be our 2nd WR picked in the draft and Massaquoi's ticket out of town. If we leave the draft with just Broyles at WR we had a lousy draft.

Speaking of WRs under the radar, anyone have an idea of when Posey is projected to be drafted? I know he's had a few bouts of the dropsies, but TP didn't exactly throw the best ball. Questionable character, but it's not like he robbed a bank. Posey has good size/speed, can get deep, and has shown that he can make the spectacular catch. He's worth a flyer if the price is right IMO.

Saw one site that had Posey as a 6th rounder.

That's the right price. I was kind of thinking he might be worth a 4th, 5th at the latest.

 

[GreatLakesMike]

Seems the consensus is that this is a deep RB class, so if Heckert trades down and misses on Richardson, I don't think it's the end of the world.

 

[Fallerjw]

From Tannehill's pro day:

Texas A&M quarterback Ryan Tannehill had an outstanding performance at his pro day, according to NFL.com's Gil Brandt.

This likely solidified his status as a top-10 pick in the NFL draft. There was "a large contingent" from the Cleveland Browns, which included offensive coordinator Brad Childress. Dolphins coach Joe Philbin and Seahawks coach Pete Carroll also attended the workout.

Tannehill reportedly has a pre-draft visit set up with the Browns, who have the fourth overall pick in the draft.

At his pro day, Tannehill showed off his mobility, accuracy and arm strength. While he wasn't throwing against a defense, he only had three incompletions (he missed one long pass and had two drops) on 68 passes thrown. He also ran the 40-yard dash in 4.62 seconds. As ESPN's Todd McShay pointed out, Andrew Luck ran it in 4.67 seconds, although Luck is an inch taller and 13 pounds heavier.

McShay said on ESPN's "SportsCenter" that Tannehill is a legitimate top-10 pick and believes he is a better fit for the Browns than the Dolphins, who select eighth.

"I would say the Browns, because they are a better team," McShay said when asked which team was a better fit for Tannehill. "They have better parts around the quarterback position. Miami, I'm not sure what the plan is when I look at the Miami organization. While they have Matt Moore and they brought in [David] Garrard, I just don't know if you want to bring in a young quarterback with everything else that's going on in Miami."

Fellow ESPN draft analyst Mel Kiper Jr. disagreed.

"I can see Cleveland taking [Tannehill], but I disagree with them being the best fit," Kiper said. "I think it's Miami. When you have [offensive coordinator] Mike Sherman there, you have familiarity, and there's some personnel. I think you're [McShay] underrating that personnel base a little bit. Granted they have to do some work in the draft, no question about that."

Whether or not the Browns are the best fit, Tannehill shouldn't be in the conversation for them with the No. 4 pick. That choice should be between Alabama running back Trent Richardson and Oklahoma State wide receiver Justin Blackmon.

Even though the Browns need to upgrade at quarterback over Colt McCoy, it's a stretch to validate taking Tannehill that high. There are six elite prospects in this draft (Luck, Robert Griffin III, Matt Kalil, Richardson, Blackmon and Morris Claiborne), and Tannehill is not among them. His 19 starts in college make him too much of a risk.

If the Browns decide to trade back, then they should consider Tannehill.

http://espn.go.com/b...-at-his-pro-day

I caught the highlights of Tannehill's pro day. He looks the part, has a quiet confidence that you like to see, looked like he had a strong arm, but there was something about his throwing motion that I didn't like. It looked like he pushed the ball similarly to what you see weaker armed QBs do. I'm thrilled to see the Browns have a big presence there, we're certainly playing the hand well. I have a feeling Miami will get desperate on draft day and overpay for the #4 pick. I wouldn't mind their 8, as long as either Richardson, Claiborne, or Blackmon is there. BTW, Richardson's highlights had me drooling.I can see this happening:

1) Colts: Luck

2) Skins: RGIII

3) Vikes: Kalil

4) Dolphins: Tannehill

5) Bucs: Claiborne (Although they can eff us out of Richardson)

6) Rams: Blackmon

7) Jags: Reiff

8) Browns: Richardson

Or this happens:1. Colts: Luck

2. Skins: RG3

3. Vikes: Kalil

4. Phins: Tanny

5. Bucs: T-Rich

6. Rams: Blackmon

7. Jags: Claiborune

8. Browns: Reiff? Coples?

A second rounder is not worth risking the huge downgrade from Richardson to the other options IMO. Even though I haven't heard anyone talk about it, don't rule out the Jags taking Richardson if your scenerio happens. MJD has a lot of ware on his tires, and they were going to take Spiller two years ago, before Buffalo got him one pick ahead of them.

To me, it's not just the extra second round pick, it's the big upgrade you get at another position with our first pick (WR or OL?). Either by themself probably wouldn't be worth it, but getting a better OL / WR plus an extra top 40 or 45 pick make it worth it, IMO.

 

[GreatLakesMike]

From Tannehill's pro day:

Texas A&M quarterback Ryan Tannehill had an outstanding performance at his pro day, according to NFL.com's Gil Brandt.

This likely solidified his status as a top-10 pick in the NFL draft. There was "a large contingent" from the Cleveland Browns, which included offensive coordinator Brad Childress. Dolphins coach Joe Philbin and Seahawks coach Pete Carroll also attended the workout.

Tannehill reportedly has a pre-draft visit set up with the Browns, who have the fourth overall pick in the draft.

At his pro day, Tannehill showed off his mobility, accuracy and arm strength. While he wasn't throwing against a defense, he only had three incompletions (he missed one long pass and had two drops) on 68 passes thrown. He also ran the 40-yard dash in 4.62 seconds. As ESPN's Todd McShay pointed out, Andrew Luck ran it in 4.67 seconds, although Luck is an inch taller and 13 pounds heavier.

McShay said on ESPN's "SportsCenter" that Tannehill is a legitimate top-10 pick and believes he is a better fit for the Browns than the Dolphins, who select eighth.

"I would say the Browns, because they are a better team," McShay said when asked which team was a better fit for Tannehill. "They have better parts around the quarterback position. Miami, I'm not sure what the plan is when I look at the Miami organization. While they have Matt Moore and they brought in [David] Garrard, I just don't know if you want to bring in a young quarterback with everything else that's going on in Miami."

Fellow ESPN draft analyst Mel Kiper Jr. disagreed.

"I can see Cleveland taking [Tannehill], but I disagree with them being the best fit," Kiper said. "I think it's Miami. When you have [offensive coordinator] Mike Sherman there, you have familiarity, and there's some personnel. I think you're [McShay] underrating that personnel base a little bit. Granted they have to do some work in the draft, no question about that."

Whether or not the Browns are the best fit, Tannehill shouldn't be in the conversation for them with the No. 4 pick. That choice should be between Alabama running back Trent Richardson and Oklahoma State wide receiver Justin Blackmon.

Even though the Browns need to upgrade at quarterback over Colt McCoy, it's a stretch to validate taking Tannehill that high. There are six elite prospects in this draft (Luck, Robert Griffin III, Matt Kalil, Richardson, Blackmon and Morris Claiborne), and Tannehill is not among them. His 19 starts in college make him too much of a risk.

If the Browns decide to trade back, then they should consider Tannehill.

http://espn.go.com/b...-at-his-pro-day

I caught the highlights of Tannehill's pro day. He looks the part, has a quiet confidence that you like to see, looked like he had a strong arm, but there was something about his throwing motion that I didn't like. It looked like he pushed the ball similarly to what you see weaker armed QBs do. I'm thrilled to see the Browns have a big presence there, we're certainly playing the hand well. I have a feeling Miami will get desperate on draft day and overpay for the #4 pick. I wouldn't mind their 8, as long as either Richardson, Claiborne, or Blackmon is there. BTW, Richardson's highlights had me drooling.I can see this happening:

1) Colts: Luck

2) Skins: RGIII

3) Vikes: Kalil

4) Dolphins: Tannehill

5) Bucs: Claiborne (Although they can eff us out of Richardson)

6) Rams: Blackmon

7) Jags: Reiff

8) Browns: Richardson

Or this happens:1. Colts: Luck

2. Skins: RG3

3. Vikes: Kalil

4. Phins: Tanny

5. Bucs: T-Rich

6. Rams: Blackmon

7. Jags: Claiborune

8. Browns: Reiff? Coples?

A second rounder is not worth risking the huge downgrade from Richardson to the other options IMO. Even though I haven't heard anyone talk about it, don't rule out the Jags taking Richardson if your scenerio happens. MJD has a lot of ware on his tires, and they were going to take Spiller two years ago, before Buffalo got him one pick ahead of them.

To me, it's not just the extra second round pick, it's the big upgrade you get at another position with our first pick (WR or OL?). Either by themself probably wouldn't be worth it, but getting a better OL / WR plus an extra top 40 or 45 pick make it worth it, IMO.

Right. And Heckert would also have the ammo to trade up in the 1st with the 2nd pick and still have a 2nd round pick to boot.

 

[GreatLakesMike]

I've said it before, but I think people are forgetting how old this team was when Heckert came in. IIRC, Heckert turned the 2nd oldest roster in the league into the 2nd youngest roster in the league. You had to expect some growing pains. His draft picks have been money so far.... be patient.

 

[Faust]

AFC North draft needs

Cleveland Browns Excerpt:

Overview: Opportunity knocks — and pressure mounts — for the Browns' front office as the 2012 draft approaches. GM Tom Heckert and president Mike Holmgren want to build via the draft, and with two first-round picks, five picks in the top 100 and 13 selections overall, the Browns have no shortage of chances to find the playmakers this club so desperately needs on offense. After failing in an attempt to trade up for the No. 2 overall pick and not adding any skiil-position talent in free agency, the importance of the 2012 draft is magnified for Cleveland.

Need No. 1: Quarterback

The Browns could not pry the No. 2 pick from St. Louis, eliminating their shot at adding Baylor QB Robert Griffin III. It's logical to believe the Browns will add a quarterback in this draft, but whom they add remains to be seen. A quarterback added with selection Nos. 4, 22 or 37 could be an immediate threat to start, while a later-round passer might be hard-pressed to threaten Colt McCoy or Seneca Wallace this season.



Need No. 2: Wide receiver

The Browns traded out of the No. 6 overall pick a season ago. While they received a bundle of draft picks, including the No. 22 selection in this draft, they passed on an opportunity to add WR Julio Jones, who showed major promise for Atlanta a season ago. The Browns do not have a go-to receiver on the roster, and it would be an upset if they did not seek help at the position in this draft.

Need No. 3: Running back

The Browns' 2012 featured back could be added in this draft. Peyton Hillis, the Browns' leading rusher the past two seasons, signed with Kansas City, leaving Montario Hardesty, Brandon Jackson and Chris Ogbonnaya as the top options at running back. Durability is a major concern with Hardesty, and Jackson missed all of last season with a turf toe injury. Ogbonnaya proved he merited a roster spot last season but was behind Hillis and Hardesty in the pecking order when both backs were healthy.

 

[Fensalk]

One thing I definitely believe from past Heckert drafts is that he already knows who he is targeting. Its just a question of maneuvering to get the guys he wants without overpaying.

 

[wadegarrett]

Taken from that leaked NFL schedule thread...

Reasons I'm skeptical it's accurate: Browns open at home against Bengals for 2nd straight year and Browns with a home Monday night game.

That being said. It's either correct or someone out there has a LOT of time on their hands.

Week 1 Sunday 9/9/2012 Bengals @ Browns CBS 1:00 PM

Week 2 Sunday 9/16/2012 Browns @ Giants CBS 1:00 PM

Week 3 Sunday 9/23/2012 Browns @ Cowboys CBS 4:15 PM

Week 4 Thursday 9/27/2012 Ravens @ Browns NFLN 8:20 PM

Week 5 Sunday 10/7/2012 Browns @ Broncos CBS 4:15 PM

Week 6 Sunday 10/14/2012 Chargers @ Browns CBS 1:00 PM

Week 7 Sunday 10/21/2012 Redskins @ Browns FOX 1:00 PM

Week 8 Sunday 10/28/2012 Browns @ Steelers CBS 1:00 PM

Week 9 Monday 11/5/2012 Eagles @ Browns ESPN 8:30 PM

Week 10 BYE

Week 11 Sunday 11/18/2012 Bills @ Browns CBS 1:00 PM

Week 12 Sunday 11/25/2012 Steelers @ Browns CBS 1:00 PM

Week 13 Sunday 12/2/2012 Browns @ Bengals CBS 1:00 PM

Week 14 Sunday 12/9/2012 Browns @ Raiders CBS 4:15 PM

Week 15 Sunday 12/16/2012 Browns @ Colts CBS 1:00 PM

Week 16 Sunday 12/23/2012 Chiefs @ Browns CBS 1:00 PM

Week 17 Sunday 12/30/2012 Browns @ Ravens CBS 1:00 PM

ETA: Grossi says it's bogus.

 

[Bobcat10]

Grossi reportedly talked to the NFL and was told the schedule is NOT accurate at all.

 

[NJDawgPound]

Regardless of whether the leaked schedule is accurate or not, the home and away opponents are known.

It is intimidating seeing it on paper though.

However, I think considering the strides the defense made last year and the additions of Frostee and Parker will make this defense a legit top 5 defense that can win a couple of games by itself. Don't underestimate the improvement the run defense will have this year.

Now on to the offense. With our collection of high picks, we have to be better at RB and WR, and I trust Heckert to improve us at RT in the second round. The offense will be raw but as long as Colt can manage the game without turning the ball over, we may not make the playoffs but we may surprise some people on how much we don't suck.

I think the key to the season is protecting the ball.

 

[GreatLakesMike]

At this point, does anyone believe that Heckert will draft Tannehill with the 4th pick? I don't. I think Miami knows that Tannehill will be waiting for them with the 8th pick. I'm kind of doubting that the Rams will trade up either as they probably feel that the Browns are not going after Blackmon.

The Jags? They need help at WR. They could wait and take Floyd though, so unless they're in love with Blackmon, then no dice.

Kind of thinking that unless Heckert wants to move down more than 5 spots then he's going to be drafting at 4. That's fine.

If that's the case, any chance Jonathan Martin from Stanford falls to the 24th pick? I certainly wouldn't mind a Richardson/Martin 1st round. I know that doesn't help the WR corp out, but Rome wasn't built in a day. Better running game and protection would help the passing game. Little is an NFL WR... maybe Heckert can bring in a vet after the cuts?

I wish this damn draft would get here!

 

[Bobcat10]

Regardless of whether the leaked schedule is accurate or not, the home and away opponents are known.

Correct.The opponent team names are accurate, but that's not what anyone was referring to here or the other leak thread.Either way, the schedule is going to be a #####.

 

[daveR]

At this point, does anyone believe that Heckert will draft Tannehill with the 4th pick? I don't. I think Miami knows that Tannehill will be waiting for them with the 8th pick. I'm kind of doubting that the Rams will trade up either as they probably feel that the Browns are not going after Blackmon.

The Jags? They need help at WR. They could wait and take Floyd though, so unless they're in love with Blackmon, then no dice.

Kind of thinking that unless Heckert wants to move down more than 5 spots then he's going to be drafting at 4. That's fine.

If that's the case, any chance Jonathan Martin from Stanford falls to the 24th pick? I certainly wouldn't mind a Richardson/Martin 1st round. I know that doesn't help the WR corp out, but Rome wasn't built in a day. Better running game and protection would help the passing game. Little is an NFL WR... maybe Heckert can bring in a vet after the cuts?

I wish this damn draft would get here!

I doubt he gets past Cleveland at 22.

 

[daveR]

There's increased talk about Mia trading up to #3. If that happens, I want Kalil!

 

[gandalas]

Regardless of whether the leaked schedule is accurate or not, the home and away opponents are known.

Correct.The opponent team names are accurate, but that's not what anyone was referring to here or the other leak thread.Either way, the schedule is going to be a #####.

Just looking at the teams we play, I will be SHOCKED if we manage to win more than 5 games.

 

[MAC_32]

There's increased talk about Mia trading up to #3. If that happens, I want Kalil!

Why? There are good RT's available in rounds 2 and 3. Kalil isn't a RT, he's a LT. There's such a thing as too much of a good thing and that's what I think Kalil would be.

 

[daveR]

There's increased talk about Mia trading up to #3. If that happens, I want Kalil!

Why? There are good RT's available in rounds 2 and 3. Kalil isn't a RT, he's a LT. There's such a thing as too much of a good thing and that's what I think Kalil would be.

Absolutely! The Browns don't need any more pass protectors. Colt went untouched in 2011!

 

[MAC_32]

There's increased talk about Mia trading up to #3. If that happens, I want Kalil!

Why? There are good RT's available in rounds 2 and 3. Kalil isn't a RT, he's a LT. There's such a thing as too much of a good thing and that's what I think Kalil would be.

Absolutely! The Browns don't need any more pass protectors. Colt went untouched in 2011!

I'll be the first to admit we haven't had a good RT in years, but we can find an adequate one on day 2 in the form of Massie, Allen, and Schwartz or take one of the swing players like Osemele, Simatulo, and Brown. A good offensive line needs an anchor or two and coheisveness among the rest of them. Thomas & Mack are our anchors, it's up to them and the rest of the unit to build cohesiveness. You just can't have any bums like we've had at RT. I'm willing to bet the majority of the day 2 guys are not bums, it's up to the front office to pick the right ones.

 

[daveR]

There's increased talk about Mia trading up to #3. If that happens, I want Kalil!

Why? There are good RT's available in rounds 2 and 3. Kalil isn't a RT, he's a LT. There's such a thing as too much of a good thing and that's what I think Kalil would be.

Absolutely! The Browns don't need any more pass protectors. Colt went untouched in 2011!

I'll be the first to admit we haven't had a good RT in years, but we can find an adequate one on day 2 in the form of Massie, Allen, and Schwartz or take one of the swing players like Osemele, Simatulo, and Brown. A good offensive line needs an anchor or two and coheisveness among the rest of them. Thomas & Mack are our anchors, it's up to them and the rest of the unit to build cohesiveness. You just can't have any bums like we've had at RT. I'm willing to bet the majority of the day 2 guys are not bums, it's up to the front office to pick the right ones.

I like the fact that a quality O-Line would make an immediate, very large difference in the team overall -- much more so than a WR or RB! I also like the fact that we'd be looking toward the future (when JT is gone).

 

[rizzler]

The Vikings are NOT passing on Kalil, Id almost be willing to bet my right nut on it.

Close to draft time, all the conspiracy theorists come out, make some wild and bold predictions, and IF by the grace of stupidity, they nail it... well, they look like a genius.

If they miss, they make up a BS excuse, everyone forgets and/or doesn't care.

Vikes NEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEED kalil, and will take him.

The Browns will go Claiborne or Richardson (the RB seems more likely as of today). Tannehill, I'd be willing to bet my left nut, isn't even a thought for the Browns at #4

 

[MAC_32]

There's increased talk about Mia trading up to #3. If that happens, I want Kalil!

Why? There are good RT's available in rounds 2 and 3. Kalil isn't a RT, he's a LT. There's such a thing as too much of a good thing and that's what I think Kalil would be.

Absolutely! The Browns don't need any more pass protectors. Colt went untouched in 2011!

I'll be the first to admit we haven't had a good RT in years, but we can find an adequate one on day 2 in the form of Massie, Allen, and Schwartz or take one of the swing players like Osemele, Simatulo, and Brown. A good offensive line needs an anchor or two and coheisveness among the rest of them. Thomas & Mack are our anchors, it's up to them and the rest of the unit to build cohesiveness. You just can't have any bums like we've had at RT. I'm willing to bet the majority of the day 2 guys are not bums, it's up to the front office to pick the right ones.

I like the fact that a quality O-Line would make an immediate, very large difference in the team overall -- much more so than a WR or RB! I also like the fact that we'd be looking toward the future (when JT is gone).

Joe Thomas just signed a huge deal, he's not going anywhere anytime soon.

 

[daveR]

There's increased talk about Mia trading up to #3. If that happens, I want Kalil!

Why? There are good RT's available in rounds 2 and 3. Kalil isn't a RT, he's a LT. There's such a thing as too much of a good thing and that's what I think Kalil would be.

Absolutely! The Browns don't need any more pass protectors. Colt went untouched in 2011!

I'll be the first to admit we haven't had a good RT in years, but we can find an adequate one on day 2 in the form of Massie, Allen, and Schwartz or take one of the swing players like Osemele, Simatulo, and Brown. A good offensive line needs an anchor or two and coheisveness among the rest of them. Thomas & Mack are our anchors, it's up to them and the rest of the unit to build cohesiveness. You just can't have any bums like we've had at RT. I'm willing to bet the majority of the day 2 guys are not bums, it's up to the front office to pick the right ones.

I like the fact that a quality O-Line would make an immediate, very large difference in the team overall -- much more so than a WR or RB! I also like the fact that we'd be looking toward the future (when JT is gone).

Joe Thomas just signed a huge deal, he's not going anywhere anytime soon.

Not the point. It may be in 2017. And if it is, we will be able to continue apace. The idea is to build a program, not just a team.

 

[Captain Quinoa]

Regardless of whether the leaked schedule is accurate or not, the home and away opponents are known.

Correct.The opponent team names are accurate, but that's not what anyone was referring to here or the other leak thread.Either way, the schedule is going to be a #####.

Just looking at the teams we play, I will be SHOCKED if we manage to win more than 5 games.

Did any of the non-division opponents win more than 9 games last year?Were the Browns not about 2 plays away from sweeping the Bengals?

 

[MAC_32]

There's increased talk about Mia trading up to #3. If that happens, I want Kalil!

Why? There are good RT's available in rounds 2 and 3. Kalil isn't a RT, he's a LT. There's such a thing as too much of a good thing and that's what I think Kalil would be.

Absolutely! The Browns don't need any more pass protectors. Colt went untouched in 2011!

I'll be the first to admit we haven't had a good RT in years, but we can find an adequate one on day 2 in the form of Massie, Allen, and Schwartz or take one of the swing players like Osemele, Simatulo, and Brown. A good offensive line needs an anchor or two and coheisveness among the rest of them. Thomas & Mack are our anchors, it's up to them and the rest of the unit to build cohesiveness. You just can't have any bums like we've had at RT. I'm willing to bet the majority of the day 2 guys are not bums, it's up to the front office to pick the right ones.

I like the fact that a quality O-Line would make an immediate, very large difference in the team overall -- much more so than a WR or RB! I also like the fact that we'd be looking toward the future (when JT is gone).

Joe Thomas just signed a huge deal, he's not going anywhere anytime soon.

Not the point. It may be in 2017. And if it is, we will be able to continue apace. The idea is to build a program, not just a team.

Do you know what type of OL talent is available on day 2? It's deep. This team needs an identity. Do you really want it to be an elite OL?I'm not arguing whether Kalil will be a great OT, everything seems to point to yes, but he just doesn't seem like the right pick for this team.

 

[NJDawgPound]

Regardless of whether the leaked schedule is accurate or not, the home and away opponents are known.

Correct.The opponent team names are accurate, but that's not what anyone was referring to here or the other leak thread.Either way, the schedule is going to be a #####.

Just looking at the teams we play, I will be SHOCKED if we manage to win more than 5 games.

Did any of the non-division opponents win more than 9 games last year?Were the Browns not about 2 plays away from sweeping the Bengals?

I'm definitely not going to get ahead of myself, but the defense looked damned solid last year. With a complete training camp and maybe a decent player or two in the draft, we can be top three in the league. It will definitely be good enough to win a couple of games by themselves. As for the offense, we'll most definitely getting a very good to stud rated WR, a very good to stud rated RB, and a good to very good rated RT. We HAVE to be better at both running back and wide receiver. Plus Little may grow into a true #1, if not a reliable #2. The offense will definitely be better. Pittsburgh is getting older, as is Baltimore, and Cincy is good but not unbeatable. I'd be shocked if we don't win 6 games next year, despite the tough (on paper) schedule.

 

[GreatLakesMike]

The "looking at that schedule, we'll be lucky to win 5 games" shtick is getting old.

If Miami trades with Minnesota and grabs Tannehill, then the Rams might want to move up to 4 and grab Kalil. Lord knows they need help on the 0-line. That would still leave one of Claiborne or Richardson for Heckert to grab.

 

[Dez]

The "looking at that schedule, we'll be lucky to win 5 games" shtick is getting old. If Miami trades with Minnesota and grabs Tannehill, then the Rams might want to move up to 4 and grab Kalil. Lord knows they need help on the 0-line. That would still leave one of Claiborne or Richardson for Heckert to grab.

Rams might move up to take Richardson as well.5 wins no matter what the schedule is would be good for the Browns. Have you seen us play lately ?

 

[Fensalk]

The "looking at that schedule, we'll be lucky to win 5 games" shtick is getting old.

Its been old for years, but its true, especially for 2012. This is not a talented team, Shurmur is not a good coach, and the schedule is nasty. Being bored with it doesn't change the facts.

 

[MAC_32]

The "looking at that schedule, we'll be lucky to win 5 games" shtick is getting old. If Miami trades with Minnesota and grabs Tannehill, then the Rams might want to move up to 4 and grab Kalil. Lord knows they need help on the 0-line. That would still leave one of Claiborne or Richardson for Heckert to grab.

If we do that it'll be Claiborne or Blackmon, not Rich. Rich is going #5 to Tampa if he's there. I could also see us moving back to 8 again in that scenario as I think we like both of those guys and Floyd whereas Minny wants Claiborne or Blackmon. So we get the one that falls to 8 (probably Floyd) + picks from STL + picks from Minny then we have all sorts of ammo to move all over the draft to get who we want.

 

[Fensalk]

The "looking at that schedule, we'll be lucky to win 5 games" shtick is getting old. If Miami trades with Minnesota and grabs Tannehill, then the Rams might want to move up to 4 and grab Kalil. Lord knows they need help on the 0-line. That would still leave one of Claiborne or Richardson for Heckert to grab.

If we do that it'll be Claiborne or Blackmon, not Rich. Rich is going #5 to Tampa if he's there. I could also see us moving back to 8 again in that scenario as I think we like both of those guys and Floyd whereas Minny wants Claiborne or Blackmon. So we get the one that falls to 8 (probably Floyd) + picks from STL + picks from Minny then we have all sorts of ammo to move all over the draft to get who we want.

At this point I think they want Richardson and will select him at 4. I think they want OT Mike Adams but they would probably overpay to select him at 22. So I see them trading down from the 1.22 to grab some extra picks and still get Adams later.

 

[MAC_32]

The "looking at that schedule, we'll be lucky to win 5 games" shtick is getting old. If Miami trades with Minnesota and grabs Tannehill, then the Rams might want to move up to 4 and grab Kalil. Lord knows they need help on the 0-line. That would still leave one of Claiborne or Richardson for Heckert to grab.

If we do that it'll be Claiborne or Blackmon, not Rich. Rich is going #5 to Tampa if he's there. I could also see us moving back to 8 again in that scenario as I think we like both of those guys and Floyd whereas Minny wants Claiborne or Blackmon. So we get the one that falls to 8 (probably Floyd) + picks from STL + picks from Minny then we have all sorts of ammo to move all over the draft to get who we want.

At this point I think they want Richardson and will select him at 4. I think they want OT Mike Adams but they would probably overpay to select him at 22. So I see them trading down from the 1.22 to grab some extra picks and still get Adams later.

If we take Adams.

 

[Fallerjw]

I love the idea of trading down two times and ending up at 8, or even 11. I especially love it if we can end up with two extra 2nd round picks.

At 8, probably one of Richardson, Blackmon, Claiborne or Floyd should be there.

At 11, probably Floyd, Rieff or DeCastro should be there.

If we end up with one of those players, and still have our 22nd pick, and 3 - 2nd round picks I would be ecstatic.

 

[Fallerjw]

The "looking at that schedule, we'll be lucky to win 5 games" shtick is getting old. If Miami trades with Minnesota and grabs Tannehill, then the Rams might want to move up to 4 and grab Kalil. Lord knows they need help on the 0-line. That would still leave one of Claiborne or Richardson for Heckert to grab.

If we do that it'll be Claiborne or Blackmon, not Rich. Rich is going #5 to Tampa if he's there. I could also see us moving back to 8 again in that scenario as I think we like both of those guys and Floyd whereas Minny wants Claiborne or Blackmon. So we get the one that falls to 8 (probably Floyd) + picks from STL + picks from Minny then we have all sorts of ammo to move all over the draft to get who we want.

At this point I think they want Richardson and will select him at 4. I think they want OT Mike Adams but they would probably overpay to select him at 22. So I see them trading down from the 1.22 to grab some extra picks and still get Adams later.

If we take Adams.

I understand we need a RT, but I don't think he's going to be a good one.

 

[MAC_32]

The "looking at that schedule, we'll be lucky to win 5 games" shtick is getting old. If Miami trades with Minnesota and grabs Tannehill, then the Rams might want to move up to 4 and grab Kalil. Lord knows they need help on the 0-line. That would still leave one of Claiborne or Richardson for Heckert to grab.

If we do that it'll be Claiborne or Blackmon, not Rich. Rich is going #5 to Tampa if he's there. I could also see us moving back to 8 again in that scenario as I think we like both of those guys and Floyd whereas Minny wants Claiborne or Blackmon. So we get the one that falls to 8 (probably Floyd) + picks from STL + picks from Minny then we have all sorts of ammo to move all over the draft to get who we want.

At this point I think they want Richardson and will select him at 4. I think they want OT Mike Adams but they would probably overpay to select him at 22. So I see them trading down from the 1.22 to grab some extra picks and still get Adams later.

If we take Adams.

I understand we need a RT, but I don't think he's going to be a good one.

I'm not going to pretend to know much about the guys drafted on day 2 (Massie, Allen, Schwartz, Brown, even Datko and Zebrie), but I do feel comfortable saying that most if not all of them will be better than Adams. He's a turnstile.

 

[gandalas]

The "looking at that schedule, we'll be lucky to win 5 games" shtick is getting old.

What Schtick? That is what I see when I look at the schedule...tired of being optimistic and getting disappointed every year, so I guess if I aim low, I can only be impressed if they do better?Seriously though, the schedule looks tough. Indy is the only game that I definitely see us winning, and even that could be in jeopardy depending on how Luck does (still pretty sure we win that one).

 

[Captain Quinoa]

The "looking at that schedule, we'll be lucky to win 5 games" shtick is getting old.

What Schtick? That is what I see when I look at the schedule...tired of being optimistic and getting disappointed every year, so I guess if I aim low, I can only be impressed if they do better?Seriously though, the schedule looks tough. Indy is the only game that I definitely see us winning, and even that could be in jeopardy depending on how Luck does (still pretty sure we win that one).

The only two non-division playoff teams from last year are NYG and DEN. Yes the schedule "looks tough" because none of the NFCE/AFCW teams are terrible, but are OAK and KC really that scary? WAS with their rookie QB? Even if he is Cam2.0, Carolina only won 6 games last year. SD, PHI, DAL, and even the regular season NYG are all nice teams on paper... how did they all do last year? The 'shtick' that GLM is talking about is looking at the schedule before the draft even takes place (let alone minicamps, training camp, and preseason) and deciding that ZOMG ITS THE TOUGHEST EVER!!! What if the Browns draft some weapons, add a running game, and Colt starts to look like he did vs NE and NYJ 2 years ago? What if P Manning re-injures his neck in preseason - you afraid of Denver then? There's only a few hundred things that are going to happen between today and September before we truly see how scary the schedule is.

 

[wadegarrett]

Stealing some of my thunder from the bold prediction thread, Grossi is on Rizzo's show talking about the possibility of Philly trading up to #4 to grab Tannehill. Browns would get their number 1 (#15) and both their number 2's (#47 and #51).

Browns would end up with #15, #22, #37, #47 and #51.

Thoughts?

 

[MAC_32]

Thoughts?

Wow.

 

[Fallerjw]

Stealing some of my thunder from the bold prediction thread, Grossi is on Rizzo's show talking about the possibility of Philly trading up to #4 to grab Tannehill. Browns would get their number 1 (#15) and both their number 2's (#47 and #51).

Browns would end up with #15, #22, #37, #47 and #51.

Thoughts?

YES, please!!

 

[Village Idiot]

Stealing some of my thunder from the bold prediction thread, Grossi is on Rizzo's show talking about the possibility of Philly trading up to #4 to grab Tannehill. Browns would get their number 1 (#15) and both their number 2's (#47 and #51).

Browns would end up with #15, #22, #37, #47 and #51.

Thoughts?

I'd hope to still see Floyd on the board to take at 15.22 probably RT.

Then you go RB, QB, defense?

Or swap some around depending on who is still on the board.

We have many holes to fill in, and this definitely lets us fill in some holes.

The only questiion is does it give us elite playmakers.

At 4 there is a better chance of getting an elite play maker.