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ghostguy123
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amnesiac
beer is good
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
Doesn't matter who gets taken they aren't starting the rookie.
Besides were taking Darnold.
https://www.si.com/nfl/2018/03/22/sam-darnold-usc-pro-day-draft-cleveland-browns-mmqb
USC staffer: Hey guys, the weather patterns show that it’s gonna start raining right when we’re getting ready to throw. So we’re gonna move everything around, and have you throw before it rains and then have the O-line/D-line workout in the rain.
Darnold: Why are we doing that?
USC staffer: Well, so you don’t have to throw in the rain.
Darnold, looking to Palmer: No, we’ll just throw in the rain, right?
Palmer: Yeah.
Darnold: Perfect. I don’t care if it rains. I’m trying to go to Cleveland.
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“He’s going number one,” said one AFC exec, via text from L.A.
“Everyone out there today saw the Browns’ franchise quarterback.”
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
If they traded down the question isn't Darnold or Allen, it is Rosen/Mayfield/Allen PLUS an extra 2019 1st round pick.
Darnold isn't perfect, he isn't great moving in the pocket, his decision making is suspect, his hands are smallish and he fumbles the ball too much. The decision making and fumbles are real issues. The other guys have strengths that he doesn't.
Mayfield and Rosen are more accurate and much better decision makers and they don't fumble.
Allen has one of the best arms ALL-TIME and he doesn't fumble. If he gets developed properly he has Elway potential IMHO. I wouldn't dismiss Josh Allen as a sideshow. I think the Browns are taking Darnold but Allen is a freak. We might even be able to trade the #4 pick to some team who make a big blockbuster trade to up to get him if he lasts that long.
Even though I like Darnold if we got a call offering the second pick plus a 1st next year then I'd seriously consider taking one of the others PLUS a 1st next year.
pantherclub
Footballguy
elway? godalmighty dude
barackdhouse
Footballguy
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
Grossman is not a good comparison.
Grossman hand size 9.25, Darnold hand size 9.38. Nine and a quarter inch is the floor that most NFL team have before a red flag is raised. FWI, Jimmy Garoppolo is right at 9.25
Rex was 6'1, 217 lbs, taken with the 22nd pick. He completed only 57% of his passes his last year of college and ran 6 times for 0 yards (in college).
Darnold is 6'4, 222 lbs, he will be taken in the first five picks if not the top pick. He completed 64.9% of his college passes and ran 137 times for 322 yards in college.
Grossman isn't an accurate or a fair comparison.
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Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
You ever see Elway kid? I did, lots of times.
Elway completed 47.5% of his passes his first year in the league.
He played 16 years and only complete more than 60% three of those years.
He wasn't accurate, like Allen.
Had a big arm, like Allen.
Elway stood 6'3 and 215 lbs compared to 6'5 233 lbs for Josh Allen.
GODALMIGHTLY, the audacity to compare them.
pantherclub
Footballguy
elway. well good luck with that.
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
Elway's first two years, he wasn't John Elway.
He only had two games where he threw for over 300 yards and had 4 games where he threw for under 100 yards and 14 games where he threw for under 150 yards.
He never had a high TD to INT ratio until his 11th year in the league, an entire decade before the light turned on. Before that he had 160 TDs to 157 Interceptions.
The point is that John Elway wasn't the
John Elway that everyone thinks early in his career. He was a lot like Josh Allen his first three years and he was smaller and less accurate.
I am sure that NFL teams see his potential and think that they can develop him if they get enough time.
If he gets the right coaching and enough time he has Elway potential.
pantherclub
Footballguy
like i said. good luck with that. elway was way better in college so i have no clue how you can even compare the 2Elway's first two years, he wasn't John Elway.
He only had two games where he threw for over 300 yards and had 4 games where he threw for under 100 yards and 14 games where he threw for under 150 yards.
He never had a high TD to INT ratio until his 11th year in the league, an entire decade before the light turned on. Before that he had 160 TDs to 157 Interceptions.
The point is that John Elway wasn't the
He was a lot like Josh Allen his first three years and he was smaller and less accurate.
I am sure that NFL teams see his potential and think that they can develop him if they get enough time.
If he gets the right coaching and enough time he has Elway potential.
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
if you ever saw Elway play his first years in the NFL you would know why the comparison fits.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
If Elway was drafted by a team this year he wouldn't become Elway. He would never be given the time QBs used to get.
Strange move. Kessler is a much better QB than Stanton, and Hogan is probably equal. Other than celebrating TD's from the sideline I'm not sure Stanton does anything well.
MAC_32
Footballguy
Thomas The Skank Engine
Footballguy
The Man With No Name
Footballguy
Needed a #2 for 2019.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
Better than kessler or hogan. They all suck though.
amnesiac
beer is good
Peak
Footballguy
Stanton has been a backup for a couple of first round picks in his career. He's backed up Stafford and Luck, not to mention Palmer. He's more than capable to win a game if needed, but understands how to be the bench coach and mentor young QBs.
I like this move a lot. Let Taylor play to win, and Stanton coach the rookie. Being a teacher is something neither Hogan or Kessler can do. Their days are numbered in CLE.
I like this move a lot. Let Taylor play to win, and Stanton coach the rookie. Being a teacher is something neither Hogan or Kessler can do. Their days are numbered in CLE.
Soulfly3
Footballguy
ghostguy123
Footballguy
DallasDMac
Footballguy
beer 30
Footballguy
You have option 1 and option 2 in the QB room allowing the rook to sit. You could make an argument that Darnold or Rosen could play in the NFL now. It would be ugly but I think they could muddle through it. Everyone agrees that Allen is a project and needs at least a year. Hope I’m wrong because I personally like Rosen/Darnold but this is the same guy who drafted Mahomes and kept him on the bench last year.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
Huh?
ghostguy123
Footballguy
Sign Suh. Let's have some fun here. 2 year 30 million. Let's go.
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ghostguy123
Footballguy
Trade for Beckham while we're at it and pay him 5 years 90 million.
MAC_32
Footballguy
Things that should not be discussed in a 2018 Browns thread - John Elway (ftr - this name should never be mentioned in a Browns thread), Kirk Cousins, playoffs, Suh, pick #22, Odell Beckham, and anything else beyond learning how to be competitive.
Things that can be discussed in a 2018 Brown thread - learning how to be competitive, reps for talented young players, Hue Jackson incompetence, player development, in-fighting between the nuclear triangle of Jackson-Gregg Williams-Todd Haley, and topics centered around us saying in January 2019 - hey! we have a quarterback!
Things that can be discussed in a 2018 Brown thread - learning how to be competitive, reps for talented young players, Hue Jackson incompetence, player development, in-fighting between the nuclear triangle of Jackson-Gregg Williams-Todd Haley, and topics centered around us saying in January 2019 - hey! we have a quarterback!
Riversco
Footballguy
Absolutely no one has any criticism of mayfields game. He does it all. If he was 2 inches taller hed be consensus #1 because people are too worried about height.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
But these are the ONLY things I wanna talk about. Well, except the first thing and pick 22
Can't believe anyone would think this, and the fact that people agree is silly. Kessler has a 2-1 TD/INT ratio and a career 87 passer rating. That's better than several starting QB's, and he did that without ever having Josh Gordon. I get that Kessler has trouble staying healthy, but to think he's not at least a decent backup is simply untrue.
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
Are you giggling like an idiot over the moron who said we should have taken Teddy with the #4 pick even after he went with the last pick of the first round? I am, bwaa haa haa, LOL.
MAC_32
Footballguy
Trading up for Teddy at pick #1 would have been optimal to what we actually did.
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
No it wouldn't have. No one has twenty-twenty before things happen but the optimal outcome would have been to take Kahlil Mack or Aaron Darnold or Mike Evans or `even Odell and then take Carr but ... Honestly, forget it.
MAC_32
Footballguy
You're the schmo that wanted to take it down this road rather than keeping it to peak Josh Allen - https://twitter.com/BillyM_91/status/967552369402802176.
MAC_32
Footballguy
Thomas The Skank Engine
Footballguy
pantherclub
Footballguy
Josh Allen is the next Elway. Although there is nothing in his stats or game play that suggest it but someone on here thinks it. So theres that
https://www.theringer.com/2018/3/26/17162670/nfl-draft-josh-allen-hype-vs-reality
daveR
Footballguy
Since we have 6 weeks to kill, let's see if we can define the QBs. What physical attributes would you put on your list (height, weight, bmi, injuries, speed, etc.)? What playing attributes (field vision, escapability, accuracy, college system, etc.)? What miscellaneous or intangibles (leadership, age, intelligence, etc.)? Let's list everything that we think can or should go into the evaluation.
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
Crazy eh?
How about Johnny Manziel compared with Brett Farve, you on board with that comp?
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Posted June 21, 2014
On 6/21/2014 at 9:16 PM, matuski said:
On 6/21/2014 at 9:00 PM, cstu said:
Second coming of Ryan Leaf if his doesn't get off to a good start.
Saying this is like tattooing "I have never watched Manziel" across your forehead.
Nothing alike in style of play nor temperament/guts/grit. Manziel is a gamer and has shined through 10x the pressure Leaf ever experienced.
MAC_32 Footballguy
Favre is the best comp I have seen, even though their games couldn't be much different.
