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Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
He's not active. He's cleared to practice. We have 21 days to declare him active or place him on IR for the year.
We have up until 4:00 PM Sunday to activate him IF he is able this week.
Have to think they were targeting the Bronco game on Thursday Night but with the Chubbs news.... I dunno...
beer 30
Footballguy
amnesiac
beer is good
Yeah I remember being really confused when they had Hunt in there. Chubb is really more suited to salt the game away imo.
Peak
Footballguy
ARI without HC today.
Cardinals’ HC Kliff Kingsbury, who has had multiple positive COVID tests on back-to-back days and will miss today’s game vs. the Browns, will need two negative COVID tests 24 hours apart, meaning the earliest he now could return to work is Tuesday. But Kingsburgy “feels great”.
Cardinals’ HC Kliff Kingsbury, who has had multiple positive COVID tests on back-to-back days and will miss today’s game vs. the Browns, will need two negative COVID tests 24 hours apart, meaning the earliest he now could return to work is Tuesday. But Kingsburgy “feels great”.
amnesiac
beer is good
Browns are going to finish the day in third place or tied for last place.One thing I look forward to after a close loss on the road against a quality opponent when we were devastated by injuries and nothing can be gleaned is the even-keeled Brown fan reactions that are NEVER over reactions but good sound quality football analysis.
Ahh, takes sip of coffee and revels in the magna opus of refined pure football minds.
Maybe smell that coffee and wake up.
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
amnesiac
beer is good
DallasDMac
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MAC_32
Footballguy
beer 30
Footballguy
Cool, so we're back to eating our young again. Just like 4-5 years ago except with a better coach
Man that was a ####show yesterday. Glad Gillum played wellabout all I got.
PS - lets go for so more 4th downs, I love that moveEdit to add 6/15 on the year
TampaMike19
Footballguy
Indirectly he did. His bloated salary is costing the team in building up precious depth or value players lol
MAC_32
Footballguy
The team entered the season (arguably) without any meaningful holes in the starting lineup and with developmental depth in several key areas. It's almost impossible to fortify every position - nature of the beast in the NFL though. That's a feature; not a bug.
OBJ is just low hanging fruit for the under-informed to lazily take swings at while the issues through the first 6 weeks of the season are way more complex than that.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
Well this has shaped up to be a disappointing season.
I really do hate blaming refs for losses, but I think they cost us the Charges game.
They didnt cost us the game yesterday but man, we sure do get the short end of the ####ty call stick way more often than we should.
Everyone is hurt. Yesterday was going to be an almost impossible win. Now more guys either hurt or hurt worse.
Kinda sad. There was potential here before all the injuries.
And wow, our defense is...........bad.
I really do hate blaming refs for losses, but I think they cost us the Charges game.
They didnt cost us the game yesterday but man, we sure do get the short end of the ####ty call stick way more often than we should.
Everyone is hurt. Yesterday was going to be an almost impossible win. Now more guys either hurt or hurt worse.
Kinda sad. There was potential here before all the injuries.
And wow, our defense is...........bad.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
MAC_32
Footballguy
Depends if Baker's out for 6 weeks or if he's doing season ending surgery now. The latter and it's fork time. The former and the wildcard is still in play if we win tomorrow.
amnesiac
beer is good
agree. they have some decisions to make.
if they delay surgery to see if they can make the wildcard spot, that could affect his recovery and timeline for returning next year.
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
Hearing similar murmurs from other sources.
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IG: JosinaAnderson@JosinaAnderson
It was floating this morning that #Browns QB Baker Mayfield was not going to play even after the confidence he expressed to the media that he would. My understanding is Mayfield is dealing w/ more than just a torn labrum & that became more prevalent this am too per league source.
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He wasn't seeking a 2nd source in order to not play. He was grasping at straws.
Case Keenum sucks = season ender
The only possible way we can compete to win playoff games is with a QB. Someone who consistently is able to give top 10 to 15 and we had that with Baker. Case Keenum and guys like Cam Newton aren't playoff winning caliber NFL QBs.
If Baker can't go or only half-strength the rest of the year then its time to call in the dogs and piss on the fire...
rockaction
Footballguy
Wow. That's a really, really tough blow. This Mayfield injury sounds bad. Sorry, guys. I don't know if Keenum is a guy that can lead you where you want to go. Cam could probably serve as a threat when Chubb and Hunt get back and you could run a constant read option attack, but that's sort of a long shot to even get him to Cleveland and to learn a new playbook so quickly.
Not good.
Not good.
beer 30
Footballguy
CLE fan living in the Carolina's for the last 14 years. Cam isn't the answer. He was done when the Panthers let him go, New England took a shot but he can't throw. His shoulder is worse than Baker's and it's his throwing shoulder.rockaction said:
Keenum is the guy going forward. He stands a chance if they can protect him and we et some assets back. Sounds like Wills is going to give it a go, for how long we'll see. Landry is active so that's a big help, lack of RB troubles me but next man up. At some point if the Brown's want to take the next step, they gotta figure out how to man up and win these kinda games. Looking square at you defense, they need to bow up and have a game. DEN is supposed to be the "get better" team this year (they make everyone look better). Be nice to see the D pitch a shutout tonight or create 3-4 turnovers to help the O.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
If the rest of the team was healthy then the downgrade to Keenum wouldn't be good, but I still think playoffs would be on the table.
OBJ out and sucking, Landy coming off injury, Hunt out who knows how long, same with Chubb, line banged up, D looks average at best.
This all projects out to like 7-10
OBJ out and sucking, Landy coming off injury, Hunt out who knows how long, same with Chubb, line banged up, D looks average at best.
This all projects out to like 7-10
Peak
Footballguy
I think the team plays better when OBJ isn't on the field. I don't think they'll miss him too much. I have to think it actually helps Keenum in that he has more time/familiarity with the backups. Landry could be a nice safety blanket over the middle, especially if the weather is crap. Keenum has run Stefanski's offense before and done well, so I'm not too much doom and gloom. I think it comes down to defense tonight - whichever side wins the TO battle will win the game. ST may also play a little bit into this, and I'd give CLE the edge on ST.
Either way, it'll be a typical Thurs Night Football game.
Either way, it'll be a typical Thurs Night Football game.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
We really need to stop with the empty backfield crap
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
We need to shut Baker down NOW.
Baker Mayfield needs 4-6 months to recover from shoulder surgery if it doesn’t get worse, surgeon says; Fracture is non-displaced
Mayfield told Fox Sports’ Jay Glazer Thursday that he plans to face the Steelers, he also said, “I need that fracture to heal for me to get back out there.’’
The fracture won’t be fully healed in 10 days...
If he doesn't get surgery his chance of dislocating his shoulder worsens.
Baker Mayfield needs 4-6 months to recover from shoulder surgery if it doesn’t get worse, surgeon says; Fracture is non-displaced
That is the BEST CASE scenario right now where he WON'T dislocate the shoulder again causing more damage and where he can strengthen his shoulder muscles so that going forward he won't have it keep popping out every game causing more-and-more damage. Having surgery now is the BEST medical case so he'll be ready by April. Here's the worst case.
Not getting the surgery now it risking his career. He tore his shoulder, bone is fractured and 'frayed' the shoulder. For anyone hoping he'll be ready for the Steelers.
Mayfield told Fox Sports’ Jay Glazer Thursday that he plans to face the Steelers, he also said, “I need that fracture to heal for me to get back out there.’’
The fracture won’t be fully healed in 10 days...
If he doesn't get surgery his chance of dislocating his shoulder worsens.
He won't heal his fracture in ten days so he won't be ready for the Steelers and if he plays the rest of the year we will be looking a QB with his shoulder popping out every week causing more-and-more damage to his 'frayed' shoulder for the rest of his career. Pretty easy decision IMHO.
MAC_32
Footballguy
From what I've heard he was recommended not to return until after the bye. It's then a risk assessment whether to return and get the surgery in winter with the goal of being ready for training camp or shut it down now and just get the surgery. The last part is not new news though. That's been the case since week 2.
Bobcat10
Footballguy
Isn't this why we gave Case like 10 million or whatever? I get it's not ideal and he's clearly not as good as Baker, but that's why he is the backup. Let him hopefully get comfortable during the easier part of the schedule and see what happens. Baker should already have had the surgery. I hope the team protects him and that he realizes it's for his own good not making this messy in the media.
MAC_32
Footballguy
When available, I think devoting significant resources to backup QB is important. The backup's purpose is limited though. He can help us win games, but he is not going to be the reason for the wins. The odds of us winning meaningful games with him is not good. And the odds of us winning multiple meaningful games is remote, at best.
So if Baker gets the surgery then his season is over and for all intents and purposes so is the teams. I understand the counter argument to that though.
amnesiac
beer is good
Dilfer was on 92.3 the fan this morning and stated he played quite a bit with a torn labrum on his non-throwing shoulder and that it's not that uncommon in the NFL.
personally, I think Mayfield should shut it down and get the surgery, but it was interesting to get the perspective of someone who has been through the same situation.
personally, I think Mayfield should shut it down and get the surgery, but it was interesting to get the perspective of someone who has been through the same situation.
Bobcat10
Footballguy
Probably so. The defense will ultimately be the determining factor going forward in this scenario. They start playing better up to expectations we can grind some of games out.
LawFitz
Footballguy
I think Dilfer's case was more comparable when Baker first injured his his shoulder. Seem like Baker's injury is now MUCH worse than what Dilfer and others have dealt with after the latest aggravation. Did Dilfer or anyone else play with a torn labrum and a shoulder fracture?
MAC_32
Footballguy
This isn't an answer to your question, but the latter likely happened because of the former. This is reality anytime someone tries to play through an injury. Should he return this year that same enhanced injury risk exists too.
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
Browns Willing to Pay Mayfield Mid to High $30M Range?
MoreForYouCleveland@MoreForYou_CLE
He went on to say they’d pay him for the right price, and it won’t be Mahomes or Josh Allen money at this point
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Mac Robinson@MacRobinson95
4 years, $148 mil ($37mil/season) with $100 mil guaranteed. Add in the $18.5mil 5th year option and it's a 5 year, $166.5 million dollar deal. I'm absolutely good with that.
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Agghh. From everything we saw/read prior to the season, that was NOT the number Baker's team was aiming for.
I think it is the absolute RIGHT number but... agghh we'll see if his team makes the right move and signs it before they overthink themselves.
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MoreForYouCleveland@MoreForYou_CLE
He went on to say they’d pay him for the right price, and it won’t be Mahomes or Josh Allen money at this point
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Mac Robinson@MacRobinson95
4 years, $148 mil ($37mil/season) with $100 mil guaranteed. Add in the $18.5mil 5th year option and it's a 5 year, $166.5 million dollar deal. I'm absolutely good with that.
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Agghh. From everything we saw/read prior to the season, that was NOT the number Baker's team was aiming for.
I think it is the absolute RIGHT number but... agghh we'll see if his team makes the right move and signs it before they overthink themselves.
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amnesiac
beer is good
Additionally, there is going to be a greater injury risk moving forward for the rest of his career. This is not the type of injury that you get surgery and rehab and then you’re “good to go.” It will always be unstable to a degree. Which explains why some players decide to play through it.
If this was his throwing shoulder his career would be in deep jeopardy right now.
amnesiac
beer is good
No idea as to the severity of their injuries. I think his overall point was that you’d be surprised what type and severity of injuries these guys will play through. Obviously not everything makes it onto the injury report.
Steve Tasker
Footballguy
Not to minimize the injury, but I would suspect that a shoulder fracture may be a little different than a normal fracture that we think of when we hear the word. I've suffered both a Hill-Sachs injury and a "bony" Bankart injury, both of which are technically shoulder fractures because the bones are, well, fractured, but it's not like someone's arm or leg snapping in half and requiring extensive rehab time. I'm not a doctor, and I have no idea the severity of Baker's injury, but as someone who's also suffered a handful of other fractures from sports injuries - the shoulder fracture itself was essentially not even noticeable in terms of pain tolerance, etc. It was only noticeable because it led to future dislocations and bone loss (which I hope does not happen to Baker).
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beer 30
Footballguy
Baker sounds like he's ready to give it go, Stefanski said he'll get regular snaps. Just all seems stupid to me unless they are just messing PIT. I just don't see how you trot Baker out there now with a broken bone, especially in his shoulder. Just have the surgery and run with Keenam.
amnesiac
beer is good
Mayfield has 100 million reasons to try to keep playing this season.
the way I understand it, the teams can't force medical decisions on the players.
Stefanski could bench him, but he would then risk losing the locker room.
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
beer 30
Footballguy
He earned that, give him his due.
Wouldn't break my heart to see him crying on the sidelines again though.
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
Myles plans found farewell for Ben.
'Have to send him off, right?': Myles Garrett plans his Cleveland goodbye for Big Ben
