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ghostguy123
Footballguy
I would love to sign vick for a one year deal with the intent of having him as a backup. If he plays, run him into the ground.
Dawg Pound jokes would get old.
Dawg Pound jokes would get old.
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ghostguy123
Footballguy
And I think I want macs address also.
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amnesiac
beer is good
agreed.
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
Heads up.
In five minutes Mary Kay Cabot will be on PFT Live to host a live chat with Mike Florio.
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/03/21/pft-live-browns-talk-with-mary-kay-cabot-your-questions/
Florio had technical difficulties and the interview/chat with MKC never transpired.
He said they'll try to re-schedule for next Friday.
In five minutes Mary Kay Cabot will be on PFT Live to host a live chat with Mike Florio.
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/03/21/pft-live-browns-talk-with-mary-kay-cabot-your-questions/
EDIT: Chanelling Gilda Radner's Emily Litella, NEVER MIND.
Florio had technical difficulties and the interview/chat with MKC never transpired.
He said they'll try to re-schedule for next Friday.
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Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
Cleveland Browns Daily's Nate Zegura just said that he had heard, from a source outside of the Browns, that it was known QB Matt Schaub wanted to come to the Browns and would have done so as a free agent and that he would have renegotiated his contract.
He said that the Browns knew this so they were reluctant to trade any draft picks since it was assumed he would come to them as a free agent and they could renegotiate his contract. He said that prompted the Raiders to make a trade with Houston.
Seems to make sense. In the aborted chat noted above, Floria reiterated his guarantee that the Browns would sign QB Rex Grossman.
Oh and Grossi updated his mock draft and he's got a new guy for us at #4.
http://espncleveland.com/common/more.php?m=49&action=blog&r=17&post_id=30001
The only LB I'd like their is C.J. Mosely if he somehow falls that far but if we pass on WR at #4 it opens the door for WR at #26. I like CB or even QB or the top ranked OG before Shazier at #26.
Oh and did you notice in Grossi's draft that he doesn't have Bridgewater going in his first 26 picks?
So if the choice were between a classic 4-3 OLB who is short and whose biggest weakness in his game is coverage which just happened to be the major weakness of our two starting inside linebackers last year and where Shazier would be slotted to play even though he's not suited to play inside where he had trouble disengaging blocks and where he excelled in pursuit. He's a classic 4-3 OLB and our base D is 3-4 and we're loaded at the OLB position with, Kruger, Sheard, Mingo, Groves. Makes no sense to me that Shazier is in the pictuure for our #26 pick.
So if we had a choice between a 4-3 OLB or QB Teddy Bridgewater at #26 who would you pick?
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Oh and for comparision's sake here are both Nathan Zegura and Vic Carucci's mock draft side by side.
Go to the link as they have the full first round for every team and then the Browns picks for the first four rounds.
http://www.clevelandbrowns.com/news/article-1/Carucci--Zeguras-Mock-Draft/70439da4-a06d-4d40-bbcd-f1809ef64f06
Carucci & Zegura's Mock DraftPosted Mar 19, 2014
He said that the Browns knew this so they were reluctant to trade any draft picks since it was assumed he would come to them as a free agent and they could renegotiate his contract. He said that prompted the Raiders to make a trade with Houston.
Seems to make sense. In the aborted chat noted above, Floria reiterated his guarantee that the Browns would sign QB Rex Grossman.
Oh and Grossi updated his mock draft and he's got a new guy for us at #4.
http://espncleveland.com/common/more.php?m=49&action=blog&r=17&post_id=30001
I am not concerned with just about anyone with the #4 pick because I think whoever we get and whatever direction we go with that pick that they will be a blue-chip prospect. I can more than live with OT Greg Robinson if he's the guy we wind up with at #4 but I don't like the idea of LB Ryan Shazier at #26.
The only LB I'd like their is C.J. Mosely if he somehow falls that far but if we pass on WR at #4 it opens the door for WR at #26. I like CB or even QB or the top ranked OG before Shazier at #26.
Oh and did you notice in Grossi's draft that he doesn't have Bridgewater going in his first 26 picks?
So if the choice were between a classic 4-3 OLB who is short and whose biggest weakness in his game is coverage which just happened to be the major weakness of our two starting inside linebackers last year and where Shazier would be slotted to play even though he's not suited to play inside where he had trouble disengaging blocks and where he excelled in pursuit. He's a classic 4-3 OLB and our base D is 3-4 and we're loaded at the OLB position with, Kruger, Sheard, Mingo, Groves. Makes no sense to me that Shazier is in the pictuure for our #26 pick.
So if we had a choice between a 4-3 OLB or QB Teddy Bridgewater at #26 who would you pick?
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Oh and for comparision's sake here are both Nathan Zegura and Vic Carucci's mock draft side by side.
Go to the link as they have the full first round for every team and then the Browns picks for the first four rounds.
http://www.clevelandbrowns.com/news/article-1/Carucci--Zeguras-Mock-Draft/70439da4-a06d-4d40-bbcd-f1809ef64f06
Carucci & Zegura's Mock DraftPosted Mar 19, 2014
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
I just don't see any viable trade-down possibilities for us this year.
The only possible way a 'reasonable' trade-down would develop would be if Clowney somehow fell into our lap and if he did I'm not sure we'd let him get away. Greg Robinson is a stud but if Buffalo or some other team could take Jake Mathews or Lewan I honestly don't think they'd give up a high pick to trade-up to snare Robinson and I don't think Ray Farmer, as a new NFL GM, would trade down for anything less than a high pick in this draft.
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Here are all three of the mock drafts, Vic Carucci, Nathan Zegura, and Tony Grossi all together to compare-contrast. Grossi only did the first 26 picks and Curucci/Zegura did the entire first round along with the Browns picks in the 3rd and the first Cleveland selection of the 4th rounds.
Interesting how similiar that both Carucci and Zegura's mocks are. Nearly identical.
1. Houston:
Vic Carucci - QB Blake Bortles, UCF
Nathan Zegura - QB Blake Bortles. UCF
Grossi - QB Blake Bortles, UCF
2. St. Louis:
Vic Carucci - OT Greg Robinson, Auburn
Nathan Zegura - OT Greg Robinson, Auburn
Grossi - DE Jadeveon Clowney, South Carolina
3. Jacksonville:
Vic Carucci - DE Jadeveon Clowney, South Carolina
Nathan Zegura - DE Jadeveon Clowney, South Carolina
Grossi - Jacksonville: QB Johnny Manziel, Texas A&M
4. Cleveland:
Vic Carucci - WR Sammy Watkins, Clemson
Nathan Zegura - WR Sammy Watkins, Clemson
Grossi - OT-OG Greg Robinson, Auburn
5. Oakland:
Vic Carucci - QB Teddy Bridgewater, Louisville
Nathan Zegura - QB Johnny Manziel, Texas A&M
Grossi - WR Sammy Watkins, Clemson
6. Atlanta:
Vic Carucci - OLB Khalil Mack, Buffalo
Nathan Zegura - OT Jake Matthews, Texas A&M
Grossi - LB Khalil Mack, Buffalo
7. Tampa Bay:
Vic Carucci - OT Jake Matthews, Texas A&M
Nathan Zegura - OLB Khalil Mack, Buffalo
Grossi - WR Mike Evans, Texas A&M
8. Minnesota:
Vic Carucci - QB Johnny Manziel, Texas A&M
Nathan Zegura - QB Teddy Bridgewater, Louisville
Grossi - QB Derek Carr, Fresno State
9. Buffalo:
Vic Carucci - OT Taylor Lewan, Michigan
Nathan Zegura - OT Taylor Lewan, Michigan
Grossi - OT Jake Matthews, Texas A&M
10. Detroit:
Vic Carucci - CB Justin Gilbert, Oklahoma State
Nathan Zegura - CB Justin Gilbert, Oklahoma State
Grossi - CB Darqueze Dennard, Michigan State
11. Tennessee:
Vic Carucci - CB Darqueze Dennard, Michigan State
Nathan Zegura - OLB Anthony Barr, UCLA
Grossi - LB Anthony Barr, UCLA
12. N.Y. Giants:
Vic Carucci - OLB Anthony Barr, UCLA
Nathan Zegura - TE Eric Ebron, North Carolina
Grossi - OT Taylor Lewan, Michigan
13. St. Louis:
Vic Carucci - S Ha Ha Clinton-Dix, Alabama
Nathan Zegura - WR Mike Evans, Texas A&M
Grossi - WR Marqise Lee, Southern California
14. Chicago:
Vic Carucci - DT Aaron Donald, Pittsburgh
Nathan Zegura - NT Timmy Jernigan, Florida State
Grossi - S Calvin Pryor, Louisville
15. Pittsburgh:
Vic Carucci - S Calvin Pryor, Louisville
Nathan Zegura - CB Darqueze Dennard, Michigan St.
Grossi - WR Odell Beckham, Louisiana State
16. Dallas:
Vic Carucci - DT Timmy Jernigan, Florida State
Nathan Zegura - S Calvin Pryor, Louisville
Grossi - DT Aaron Donald, Pittsburgh
17. Baltimore:
Vic Carucci - WR Mike Evans, Texas A&M
Nathan Zegura - WR Kelvin Benjamin, Florida State
Grossi - S Ha Ha Clinton-Dix, Alabama
18. NY Jets:
Vic Carucci - WR Marquise Lee, USC
Nathan Zegura - WR Marquise Lee, USC
Grossi - TE Eric Ebron, North Carolina
19. Miami:
Vic Carucci - OT Zack Martin, Notre Dame
Nathan Zegura - OT Zack Martin, Notre Dame
Grossi - LB C.J. Mosley, Alabama
20. Arizona:
Vic Carucci - DT Ra’shede Hageman, Minnesota
Nathan Zegura - QB Derek Carr, Fresno State
Grossi - DE Kony Ealy, Missouri
21. Green Bay:
Vic Carucci - TE Eric Ebron, North Carolina
Nathan Zegura - ILB C.J. Mosely, Alabama
Grossi - DT Louis Nix, Notre Dame
22. Philadelphia:
Vic Carucci - CB Kyle Fuller, Virginia Tech
Nathan Zegura - S Ha Ha Clinton Dix, Alabama
Grossi - CB Justin Gilbert, Oklahoma State
23. Kansas City:
Vic Carucci - WR Odell Beckham Jr., LSU
Nathan Zegura - WR Odell Beckham Jr., LSU
Grossi - WR Kelvin Benjamin, Florida State
24. Cincinnati:
Vic Carucci - OLB Ryan Shazier, Ohio State
Nathan Zegura - DE Dee Ford, Auburn
Grossi - DE Dee Ford, Auburn
25. San Diego:
Vic Carucci - DT Louis Nix III, Notre Dame
Nathan Zegura - CB Jason Verrett, TCU
Grossi - CB Bradley Roby, Ohio State
26. Cleveland:
Vic Carucci - CB Bradley Roby. Ohio State
Comment: The Browns would address another critical need here. They don’t have another dependable cornerback besides
Joe Haden, and Roby would give them a complement to one of the game’s top players at the position.
Nathan Zegura - CB Kyle Fuller, Virginia Tech
Comment: In Fuller the Browns get a bigger corner who can lock down the field opposite Joe Haden. He is a natural athlete, with good speed, ball skills and natural coverage instincts. He will also be a big help in run support and is the final piece of the puzzle for the Browns secondary.
Grossi - LB Ryan Shazier, Ohio State
27. New Orleans :
Vic Carucci - DE Kony Ealy, Missouri
Nathan Zegura - DE Kony Ealy, Missouri
28. Carolina:
Vic Carucci - OT Cyrus Kouandijo, Alabama
Nathan Zegura - WR Brandin Cooks, Oregon State
29. New England:
Vic Carucci - C.J. Mosley, Alabama
Nathan Zegura - TE Jace Amaro, Texas Tech
30. San Francisco:
Vic Carucci - CB Jason Verrett, TCU
Nathan Zegura - CB Bradley Roby, Ohio State
31. Denver:
Vic Carucci - OT Stephon Tuitt. Notre Dame
Nathan Zegura - LB Ryan Shazier, Ohio State
32. Seattle:
Vic Carucci - OG Xavier Su’a Filo. UCLA
Nathan Zegura - Aaron Donald, Pittsburgh
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Second Round
Vic Carucci - QB Derek Carr, Fresno State
Carr is as mature and developed as any quarterback in the draft. He doesn’t have ideal size or strength, but he has enough of a skill base that can be developed in the next couple of years. Still, I wouldn’t rule him out as a viable challenger for the starting job this season.
Nathan Zegura - QB Jimmy Garrappolo, Eastern Illinois
Browns get a smart quarterback with the quickest release in the draft. Garrappolo has been a late riser and is someone who can make all the throws and has adequate arm strength to go with solid size at 6-foot-2 and 220 pounds. Has a very high football IQ and is very adept at reading defenses and getting the ball out quickly. Has excellent pocket awareness and is good at improvising a la fellow Eastern Illinois alum Tony Romo.
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Third Round
Vic Carucci - RB Charles Simms, West Virginia
Nathan Zegura - OG Brandon Thomas(Clemson).
Hope that G Gabe Jackson (Mississippi State) falls.
Vic Carucci - OG Brandon Thomas(Clemson).
Nathan Zegura - RB Charles Simms, West Virginia
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Fourth Round
Vic Carucci - ILB Shane Skov, Stanford
Nathan Zegura - ILB Shane Skov, Stanford
The only possible way a 'reasonable' trade-down would develop would be if Clowney somehow fell into our lap and if he did I'm not sure we'd let him get away. Greg Robinson is a stud but if Buffalo or some other team could take Jake Mathews or Lewan I honestly don't think they'd give up a high pick to trade-up to snare Robinson and I don't think Ray Farmer, as a new NFL GM, would trade down for anything less than a high pick in this draft.
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Here are all three of the mock drafts, Vic Carucci, Nathan Zegura, and Tony Grossi all together to compare-contrast. Grossi only did the first 26 picks and Curucci/Zegura did the entire first round along with the Browns picks in the 3rd and the first Cleveland selection of the 4th rounds.
Interesting how similiar that both Carucci and Zegura's mocks are. Nearly identical.
1. Houston:
Vic Carucci - QB Blake Bortles, UCF
Nathan Zegura - QB Blake Bortles. UCF
Grossi - QB Blake Bortles, UCF
2. St. Louis:
Vic Carucci - OT Greg Robinson, Auburn
Nathan Zegura - OT Greg Robinson, Auburn
Grossi - DE Jadeveon Clowney, South Carolina
3. Jacksonville:
Vic Carucci - DE Jadeveon Clowney, South Carolina
Nathan Zegura - DE Jadeveon Clowney, South Carolina
Grossi - Jacksonville: QB Johnny Manziel, Texas A&M
4. Cleveland:
Vic Carucci - WR Sammy Watkins, Clemson
Nathan Zegura - WR Sammy Watkins, Clemson
Grossi - OT-OG Greg Robinson, Auburn
5. Oakland:
Vic Carucci - QB Teddy Bridgewater, Louisville
Nathan Zegura - QB Johnny Manziel, Texas A&M
Grossi - WR Sammy Watkins, Clemson
6. Atlanta:
Vic Carucci - OLB Khalil Mack, Buffalo
Nathan Zegura - OT Jake Matthews, Texas A&M
Grossi - LB Khalil Mack, Buffalo
7. Tampa Bay:
Vic Carucci - OT Jake Matthews, Texas A&M
Nathan Zegura - OLB Khalil Mack, Buffalo
Grossi - WR Mike Evans, Texas A&M
8. Minnesota:
Vic Carucci - QB Johnny Manziel, Texas A&M
Nathan Zegura - QB Teddy Bridgewater, Louisville
Grossi - QB Derek Carr, Fresno State
9. Buffalo:
Vic Carucci - OT Taylor Lewan, Michigan
Nathan Zegura - OT Taylor Lewan, Michigan
Grossi - OT Jake Matthews, Texas A&M
10. Detroit:
Vic Carucci - CB Justin Gilbert, Oklahoma State
Nathan Zegura - CB Justin Gilbert, Oklahoma State
Grossi - CB Darqueze Dennard, Michigan State
11. Tennessee:
Vic Carucci - CB Darqueze Dennard, Michigan State
Nathan Zegura - OLB Anthony Barr, UCLA
Grossi - LB Anthony Barr, UCLA
12. N.Y. Giants:
Vic Carucci - OLB Anthony Barr, UCLA
Nathan Zegura - TE Eric Ebron, North Carolina
Grossi - OT Taylor Lewan, Michigan
13. St. Louis:
Vic Carucci - S Ha Ha Clinton-Dix, Alabama
Nathan Zegura - WR Mike Evans, Texas A&M
Grossi - WR Marqise Lee, Southern California
14. Chicago:
Vic Carucci - DT Aaron Donald, Pittsburgh
Nathan Zegura - NT Timmy Jernigan, Florida State
Grossi - S Calvin Pryor, Louisville
15. Pittsburgh:
Vic Carucci - S Calvin Pryor, Louisville
Nathan Zegura - CB Darqueze Dennard, Michigan St.
Grossi - WR Odell Beckham, Louisiana State
16. Dallas:
Vic Carucci - DT Timmy Jernigan, Florida State
Nathan Zegura - S Calvin Pryor, Louisville
Grossi - DT Aaron Donald, Pittsburgh
17. Baltimore:
Vic Carucci - WR Mike Evans, Texas A&M
Nathan Zegura - WR Kelvin Benjamin, Florida State
Grossi - S Ha Ha Clinton-Dix, Alabama
18. NY Jets:
Vic Carucci - WR Marquise Lee, USC
Nathan Zegura - WR Marquise Lee, USC
Grossi - TE Eric Ebron, North Carolina
19. Miami:
Vic Carucci - OT Zack Martin, Notre Dame
Nathan Zegura - OT Zack Martin, Notre Dame
Grossi - LB C.J. Mosley, Alabama
20. Arizona:
Vic Carucci - DT Ra’shede Hageman, Minnesota
Nathan Zegura - QB Derek Carr, Fresno State
Grossi - DE Kony Ealy, Missouri
21. Green Bay:
Vic Carucci - TE Eric Ebron, North Carolina
Nathan Zegura - ILB C.J. Mosely, Alabama
Grossi - DT Louis Nix, Notre Dame
22. Philadelphia:
Vic Carucci - CB Kyle Fuller, Virginia Tech
Nathan Zegura - S Ha Ha Clinton Dix, Alabama
Grossi - CB Justin Gilbert, Oklahoma State
23. Kansas City:
Vic Carucci - WR Odell Beckham Jr., LSU
Nathan Zegura - WR Odell Beckham Jr., LSU
Grossi - WR Kelvin Benjamin, Florida State
24. Cincinnati:
Vic Carucci - OLB Ryan Shazier, Ohio State
Nathan Zegura - DE Dee Ford, Auburn
Grossi - DE Dee Ford, Auburn
25. San Diego:
Vic Carucci - DT Louis Nix III, Notre Dame
Nathan Zegura - CB Jason Verrett, TCU
Grossi - CB Bradley Roby, Ohio State
26. Cleveland:
Vic Carucci - CB Bradley Roby. Ohio State
Comment: The Browns would address another critical need here. They don’t have another dependable cornerback besides
Joe Haden, and Roby would give them a complement to one of the game’s top players at the position.
Nathan Zegura - CB Kyle Fuller, Virginia Tech
Comment: In Fuller the Browns get a bigger corner who can lock down the field opposite Joe Haden. He is a natural athlete, with good speed, ball skills and natural coverage instincts. He will also be a big help in run support and is the final piece of the puzzle for the Browns secondary.
Grossi - LB Ryan Shazier, Ohio State
27. New Orleans :
Vic Carucci - DE Kony Ealy, Missouri
Nathan Zegura - DE Kony Ealy, Missouri
28. Carolina:
Vic Carucci - OT Cyrus Kouandijo, Alabama
Nathan Zegura - WR Brandin Cooks, Oregon State
29. New England:
Vic Carucci - C.J. Mosley, Alabama
Nathan Zegura - TE Jace Amaro, Texas Tech
30. San Francisco:
Vic Carucci - CB Jason Verrett, TCU
Nathan Zegura - CB Bradley Roby, Ohio State
31. Denver:
Vic Carucci - OT Stephon Tuitt. Notre Dame
Nathan Zegura - LB Ryan Shazier, Ohio State
32. Seattle:
Vic Carucci - OG Xavier Su’a Filo. UCLA
Nathan Zegura - Aaron Donald, Pittsburgh
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Second Round
Vic Carucci - QB Derek Carr, Fresno State
Carr is as mature and developed as any quarterback in the draft. He doesn’t have ideal size or strength, but he has enough of a skill base that can be developed in the next couple of years. Still, I wouldn’t rule him out as a viable challenger for the starting job this season.
Nathan Zegura - QB Jimmy Garrappolo, Eastern Illinois
Browns get a smart quarterback with the quickest release in the draft. Garrappolo has been a late riser and is someone who can make all the throws and has adequate arm strength to go with solid size at 6-foot-2 and 220 pounds. Has a very high football IQ and is very adept at reading defenses and getting the ball out quickly. Has excellent pocket awareness and is good at improvising a la fellow Eastern Illinois alum Tony Romo.
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Third Round
Vic Carucci - RB Charles Simms, West Virginia
Nathan Zegura - OG Brandon Thomas(Clemson).
Hope that G Gabe Jackson (Mississippi State) falls.
Vic Carucci - OG Brandon Thomas(Clemson).
Nathan Zegura - RB Charles Simms, West Virginia
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Fourth Round
Vic Carucci - ILB Shane Skov, Stanford
Nathan Zegura - ILB Shane Skov, Stanford
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Footballguy
Soulfly3
Footballguy
Im going w what Ive said from the start based on what I was told. It'll be one of watkins, matthews or Robinson.
Ive never waivered from that, and havent been told differently either.
Comforting to see that all the Browns 'insiders' have all started to come around to what I told you guys.
Let's hope it goes down that way
Englishteacher
Footballguy
I'm really thinking Browns have a high probability of taking one of the "top" QB's when one slides to their second first round pick. It would make sense.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, dont let any other NFL GMs get wind of this thread. I want them trading up for a QB.
amnesiac
beer is good
too late. the smart GMs have been trolling FBGs for info for years. this place is widely known for the best info on the innerwebs.
Englishteacher
Footballguy
ghostguy123
Footballguy
Only a matter of time before they figure out Soulfly is really Farmer, and I am really Haslem..........
amnesiac
beer is good
throw some tickets my way and i'll keep my mouth shut.Only a matter of time before they figure out Soulfly is really Farmer, and I am really Haslem..........
ghostguy123
Footballguy
Cant, all my money tied up in legal fees. Cant give no freebies.throw some tickets my way and i'll keep my mouth shut.Only a matter of time before they figure out Soulfly is really Farmer, and I am really Haslem..........
amnesiac
beer is good
fair enough.Cant, all my money tied up in legal fees. Cant give no freebies.throw some tickets my way and i'll keep my mouth shut.Only a matter of time before they figure out Soulfly is really Farmer, and I am really Haslem..........
Englishteacher
Footballguy
Sanchez cut. Browns mentioned as a possibility.
Snippet of NFL.com's article:
Cleveland Browns
The Browns could use someone to push Brian Hoyer and the inevitable rookie they wind up drafting. Still, Cleveland's last on my list because the team seems hell-bent on finding a veteran who knows Kyle Shanahan's attack. Rex Grossman looms as the more likely target for coach Mike Pettine, who saw one too many top-flight performances by Gang Green's defense spoiled by Sanchez's wayward play in Gotham.
Link to full article: http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000336109/article/potential-landing-spots-for-mark-sanchez
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I'm on board with that. I'm going to look at his numbers again but he could be a backup or push Hoyer. In addition, you could frontload his contract and put incentives in as well. You'd also still be able to draft a QB. Sanchez is till young and for better or worse, showed some decent flashes at times.
Snippet of NFL.com's article:
Cleveland Browns
The Browns could use someone to push Brian Hoyer and the inevitable rookie they wind up drafting. Still, Cleveland's last on my list because the team seems hell-bent on finding a veteran who knows Kyle Shanahan's attack. Rex Grossman looms as the more likely target for coach Mike Pettine, who saw one too many top-flight performances by Gang Green's defense spoiled by Sanchez's wayward play in Gotham.
Link to full article: http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000336109/article/potential-landing-spots-for-mark-sanchez
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I'm on board with that. I'm going to look at his numbers again but he could be a backup or push Hoyer. In addition, you could frontload his contract and put incentives in as well. You'd also still be able to draft a QB. Sanchez is till young and for better or worse, showed some decent flashes at times.
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Englishteacher
Footballguy
Grossman's nice and all because he knows "the system" but he was born in 1980 and hasn't thrown a pass in two years. In addition, he was never that great to begin with. Not saying Sanchez was either but at least there's probably more room for improvement and a longer career (assuming his labrum doesn't explode again) with Sanchez.
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ghostguy123
Footballguy
Better than this Grossman talk I am hearing. I honestly didn't even realize Grossman was still in the NFL. Or is he?? Coming out of retirement or something?? I have no idea, but I hope he isn't a Brown.........ever.
Sanchez I wouldnt mind if he came cheap as a backup. But yeah, I kinda doubt he ends up here.
The Man With No Name
Footballguy
I highly doubt they jump that high and give up those draft picks-
From the Official Dallas Cowboys thread:
Posted Today, 07:40 AM
2014 Draft Strategy
It's all about defense this year!!
2 trades I would like the Boys to consider:
Drop back with Cleveland for their 26th spot.
Dallas gets #26, #71 and #99 for #16
I think Cleveland goes Mack or Watkins at their #4. Bridgewater will drop because of his bad pro day and the Browns could get a QB/WR combo with this trade.
Drop back with San Fran. for #30
Dallas gets #30,#61 and #94 for #16
I think SF could be looking for Evans or Beckham at WR.
Both of these trades give us 2 extra needed picks in the first few rounds to fill our many gaps.
On the trade calculator value chart they are fairly even in value and could be done on draft day.
At # 26, we could still get Donald if he falls past Chicago OR Nix, Hageman or Ealy
These guys might be around at 30 as well. If not, take BPA
From the Official Dallas Cowboys thread:
Posted Today, 07:40 AM
2014 Draft Strategy
It's all about defense this year!!
2 trades I would like the Boys to consider:
Drop back with Cleveland for their 26th spot.
Dallas gets #26, #71 and #99 for #16
I think Cleveland goes Mack or Watkins at their #4. Bridgewater will drop because of his bad pro day and the Browns could get a QB/WR combo with this trade.
Drop back with San Fran. for #30
Dallas gets #30,#61 and #94 for #16
I think SF could be looking for Evans or Beckham at WR.
Both of these trades give us 2 extra needed picks in the first few rounds to fill our many gaps.
On the trade calculator value chart they are fairly even in value and could be done on draft day.
At # 26, we could still get Donald if he falls past Chicago OR Nix, Hageman or Ealy
These guys might be around at 30 as well. If not, take BPA
amnesiac
beer is good
Grossman was never a great on field QB. but he is way more intelligent and as far as i recall, never buttfumbled.
MAC_32
Footballguy
One of them is coming here unless the plan is to pick a qb at 4, make Hoyer the backup, then draft a developmental qb late. If we aren't drafting a qb until late day one or day two then we need a veteran stopgap in place in case Hoyer sucks or gets hurt again. Grossman feels safer because then we know the pecking order, Sanchez could make things hazier. Seems messy.
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
Florio insists we'll eventually sign Grossman.
I thought I had head chatter about Pettine not liking Sanchez so I did some digging and didn't really find anything other than something pretty cool, lol
This article that relayed a tidbit about a Hawain musician named Bruddah Iz that our new HC Mike Pettine and his former boss Rex Ryan loved to listen to. I'd never heard of him so I checked a few of his songs out and he's pretty good guys, lol.
Here is the article that mentions that Pettine sent Ryan a CD of Buddah Iz's music after he lefted the Jets to coach in Buffalo.
http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york-jets/post/_/id/27437/ryan-pettine-go-from-friends-to-frenemies
Here's a sample.
It is pretty cool stuff, unique for sure.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GWkKAQxe2mc
Iz ~ Hokule'a Star of Gladness
I thought I had head chatter about Pettine not liking Sanchez so I did some digging and didn't really find anything other than something pretty cool, lol
This article that relayed a tidbit about a Hawain musician named Bruddah Iz that our new HC Mike Pettine and his former boss Rex Ryan loved to listen to. I'd never heard of him so I checked a few of his songs out and he's pretty good guys, lol.
Here is the article that mentions that Pettine sent Ryan a CD of Buddah Iz's music after he lefted the Jets to coach in Buffalo.
http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york-jets/post/_/id/27437/ryan-pettine-go-from-friends-to-frenemies
Three mentions of Bruddah Iz in the first three sentences got me curios so I looked him up.
Here's a sample.
It is pretty cool stuff, unique for sure.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GWkKAQxe2mc
Iz ~ Hokule'a Star of Gladness
I suggested this on our thread.
What do you guys think?
Drop back with Cleveland for their 26th spot.
Dallas gets #26, #71 and #99 for #16
I think Cleveland goes Mack or Watkins at their #4. Bridgewater will drop because of his bad pro day and the Browns could get a QB/WR combo with this trade.
What do you guys think?
Drop back with Cleveland for their 26th spot.
Dallas gets #26, #71 and #99 for #16
I think Cleveland goes Mack or Watkins at their #4. Bridgewater will drop because of his bad pro day and the Browns could get a QB/WR combo with this trade.
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amnesiac
beer is good
if they are in love with a QB, it's possible. but not very likely, imo.
also, i don't see any team between 16 and 26 taking a QB.
MAC_32
Footballguy
I get the feeling these guys don't want to trade up, I am perfectly OK with that.
Gandalf
Footballguy
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
DJ has Bridgewater falling down to the 26th pick.
I think Farmer holds his water and waits.
We're going to get someone good at 26.
No need to move-up.
http://www.nfl.com/draft/2014/mock-drafts/daniel-jeremiah/195602
mr fancypants
Footballguy
Agreed, it's just a pipedream. No way are they giving up that kind of a haul in this deep of a draft. If I am looking at this right that would be our 1st 3rd and 4th rd. picks to move up 10 spots in the 2nd half of the 1st rd. I see viable starting role players through the 4th round.
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Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
Mary Kay Cabot was asked about some of the players on the mend.
Good to see updates on some of these guys because I think its 'possible' that someone like OT Faulk or WR Charles Johnson might not only make the team but Doug Dieken has said he wouldn't be suprised if Faulk was in the running for a starting guard job.
I have always been intriuged with WR Charles Johnson.
http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2014/03/will_the_cleveland_browns_purs_1.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/8615/charles-johnson
Some You Tube highlights to help jog memories.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hAnnqcgkCfc
Charles Johnson Highlight Mix, WR Grand Valley State
EDIT: Grossi also has an update on OT Chris Faulk. He says he's in the running for the starting right tackle spot.
http://espncleveland.com/common/more.php?m=49&action=blog&r=18&post_id=29411
Good to see updates on some of these guys because I think its 'possible' that someone like OT Faulk or WR Charles Johnson might not only make the team but Doug Dieken has said he wouldn't be suprised if Faulk was in the running for a starting guard job.
I have always been intriuged with WR Charles Johnson.
http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2014/03/will_the_cleveland_browns_purs_1.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
Roto World picked up on the CJ blurb.
http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/8615/charles-johnson
To refresh anyoe who had forgotten who this kid was/is. Johnson is an athletic freak who we picked up off of the Packers practice squad but it was discovered he had a partially torn ACL so we never got a peek of him last year.
Some You Tube highlights to help jog memories.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hAnnqcgkCfc
Charles Johnson Highlight Mix, WR Grand Valley State
EDIT: Grossi also has an update on OT Chris Faulk. He says he's in the running for the starting right tackle spot.
http://espncleveland.com/common/more.php?m=49&action=blog&r=18&post_id=29411
Even though I'm typically not interested in free agent prospects of any kind. Have to confess that I'm actually pretty excited about these two guys.
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This has been my prediction. Not 100% confident in it but it's possible. Draft watkins #4 and insurance at Qb in the 3rd round.
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
Belichick also sent Haslam down to interview Schiano for the head coach position so even if this 'rumor' turns out to be true I think its a very-nice gesture by Bill but I don't give it too much weight.
mr fancypants
Footballguy
Don't know if your familiar with Bret Sobelski (aka Sobodawg) from the obr report. Interesting guy who evaluates talent accordingly and has worked his way into a paid gig with USA today. But he states that Faulk and Gilkey are not good candidates for the ZBS blocking scheme being implemented by Shanny. The ZBS scheme relies more on fluid and athletic lineman as opposed to Norv's straight ahead power blocking scheme with which Faulk and Gilkey identify more with.Bracie Smathers said:Mary Kay Cabot was asked about some of the players on the mend.
Good to see updates on some of these guys because I think its 'possible' that someone like OT Faulk or WR Charles Johnson might not only make the team but Doug Dieken has said he wouldn't be suprised if Faulk was in the running for a starting guard job.
I have always been intriuged with WR Charles Johnson.
http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2014/03/will_the_cleveland_browns_purs_1.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
Roto World picked up on the CJ blurb.
http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/8615/charles-johnson
To refresh anyoe who had forgotten who this kid was/is. Johnson is an athletic freak who we picked up off of the Packers practice squad but it was discovered he had a partially torn ACL so we never got a peek of him last year.
Some You Tube highlights to help jog memories.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hAnnqcgkCfc
Charles Johnson Highlight Mix, WR Grand Valley State
EDIT: Grossi also has an update on OT Chris Faulk. He says he's in the running for the starting right tackle spot.
http://espncleveland.com/common/more.php?m=49&action=blog&r=18&post_id=29411Even though I'm typically not interested in free agent prospects of any kind. Have to confess that I'm actually pretty excited about these two guys.
Village Idiot
Pokerguy
Everyone?I was in the draft thread the day of the draft stating I'd burn all of my Browns gear if they took Weeden in theeveryone here wanted to fight me for calling weeden a train wreck. It was baffling.I was just sitting here bored at work, and a PTSD moment hit me when I was looking at having picks 4 and 26, thinking back to the draft a couple years ago and how we had better draft picks than any other team and still managed to royally flub the draft by taking a ####### RB in the top 3 and a 28 year old QB in the first round.
Pretty clearly two picks made by idiots who were just trying to keep their jobs. Easily the most ticked off I had ever been (and probably will ever be) watching a draft.
PLease tell me NOBODY on this forum actually liked that draft as it unfolded. For the love of god. If you did, please let me know, and I will make sure to disregard everything you say from now till the end of time.............
1st round so........
ghostguy123
Footballguy
I have already told everyone I am having a draft party at my house, but if we take a qb at pick 4 everyone has to leave immediately.
If we trade up to do it, I am going to hurt whoever is closest to me, and then everyone has to leave immediately.
If we trade up to do it, I am going to hurt whoever is closest to me, and then everyone has to leave immediately.
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
Yeah I know of SOBO. When I post mock drafts I usually link his most recent ones. He puts a new one every week. He also is a mod of a draft board devoted primarily to the Browns. I haven't checked in on it lately but here is the link to that page that is called Draft Brew:
http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=149&f=1767
Lots of draft chat on that board.
Bret is a former college offensive lineman so he knows his stuff concerning the O-Line. I hadn't heard his comments on Chris Faulk but I have heard Doug Deiken and I'm sure you know Deek played OLT for the Browns and made the Pro Bowl so he also knows his stuff and Deek is the one who has been saying that since Faulk played left tackle that he has the athleticism and movement to play inside at guard.
Faulk has the size and he was being considered as a possible 1st round pick before he got injured. Many teams were after him last year as a free agent and Gil Brandt gave us high marks for signing him after last year's draft. Gil had him as his #1 free agent so I had him on my radar the minute we got him.
I really do like his chances to make a run at one of the guard positions. It makes sense to me that he would have to be athletic enough and have the foot movement if he played left tackle. Its not like we would be asking him to left tackle in the NFL. I'm sure he's more athletic than Shawn Lauvuo ever was. Gilkey I'm not as high on for the new system and Sobo might be right that Faulk won't fit either but the comments made last year when we signed him and Dieken has been talking the kid up whenever he's been asked about him and Dieken is the one who mentioned he would be a good fit to move inside to OG.
Shanahan's system might change that but I an still enthusiastic about the young man's chances till proven otherwise.
Englishteacher
Footballguy
from PFT:
Ray Farmer’s playing hide-and-seek with QB searchPosted by Darin Gantt on March 24, 2014, 10:29 AM EDT
APThe Browns have raised some eyebrows this offseason by not interviewing quarterbacks at the Combine, and not sending coaches to the pro day workouts of high-profile quarterbacks.
General Manager Ray Farmer has been to some, but told Nate Ulrich of the Akron Beacon-Journal he wasn’t going to Johnny Manziel’s, either.
“We’re keeping everyone guessing,” Farmer said.
Farmer added that some of the pro days he’s been reported to be in attendance at, he wasn’t (apparently all G.M.s look alike).
The pro day attendance can easily be overblown, especially if the Browns plan on bringing all the quarterbacks to their own facility for pre-draft visits.
They better, as Brian Hoyer provides a limited ceiling for a team that has some good parts and otherwise made strides a year ago.
People have been wondering whether the Browns have a plan at quarterback for years, but this time, keeping the teams drafting around them wondering might offer some advantage.
Ray Farmer’s playing hide-and-seek with QB searchPosted by Darin Gantt on March 24, 2014, 10:29 AM EDT
General Manager Ray Farmer has been to some, but told Nate Ulrich of the Akron Beacon-Journal he wasn’t going to Johnny Manziel’s, either.
“We’re keeping everyone guessing,” Farmer said.
Farmer added that some of the pro days he’s been reported to be in attendance at, he wasn’t (apparently all G.M.s look alike).
The pro day attendance can easily be overblown, especially if the Browns plan on bringing all the quarterbacks to their own facility for pre-draft visits.
They better, as Brian Hoyer provides a limited ceiling for a team that has some good parts and otherwise made strides a year ago.
People have been wondering whether the Browns have a plan at quarterback for years, but this time, keeping the teams drafting around them wondering might offer some advantage.
