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Peyton Marino
Footballguy
your defense gives you 2 scores, at home against one of the league's most potent offenses. you're playing a mediocre defense to start that's missing its top 2 CBs and you go 14/32 with 0 TDs and 2 INTs? SHAM. the luck has run out.
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Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
Yeah? Your boi is the guy who everyone should be jumping because that jerk has played like crap and hurt his team more than any one guy in the entire NFL could have due to his own stupidity.
Your boi is the villain here and you know it.
Soulfly3
Footballguy
Gordon didnt lose this game.
Pettine refusing to cut the cord did.
Im not even blaming Hoyer.... hes just doing what hes being paid to do. Pettine is the idiot.
amnesiac
beer is good
Gordon sure as hell didn't help. and yeah, Hoyer is done.
but Manziel wouldn't have done any better.
season's over folks.
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
You dare to say Pettine lost the game. He is a rookie NFL head coach who have the Cleveland Browns over .500 in December. He has coached his ### off. He is the guy who established a running game, he built up the defense while Gordon was serving a suspension for smoking pot.
The idiot WR came back, has run the wrong routes, caused interceptions, killed Hoyer, and then today? Your boi sucked again and you blame Pettine?
Don't blame Pettine. That idiot WR will be gone long before Pettine.
Now that we're out of the playoffs we can see if Manziel can even play. We know what your agenda has been and what it is today in trying to deflect blame from the moron WR to Pettine. Pettine was doing fine till that jerk came back to destroy the season.
amnesiac
beer is good
a bit harsh, but correct. Pettine is the real deal.
Gordon has potential, but who knows if he'll ever make good on it.
i still think Shanahan's offense is too complicated and he needs to simplify it at least somewhat.
Peyton Marino
Footballguy
amnesiac
beer is good
sorry buddy. Manziel is raw and i doubt he can run the offense at this point.
he's got some potential though.
we'll probably find out next week.
PlasmaDogPlasma
Footballguy
I also disagree that "Manziel wouldn't have done any better" is a fact. He wouldn't have needed a very good game to top Hoyer's today.
The Man With No Name
Footballguy
The only thing Manziel lacks compared to Hoyer is NFL experience. He has a stronger arm, is more accurate and more mobile.
amnesiac
beer is good
of course it's not a fact. it's my opinion.
fact is the Browns are likely out of the playoffs and Manziel will likely start the next game.
Random
Footballguy
Pettine - Not cutting bait on him. I think he is a lot of the reason we are having (had) a good season. I'll give this guy more time.
Gordon - Not cutting bait on him. He has looked like ####, but his ceiling is sky high.
Hoyer - Gone. He has blown wayyyy too many games (the colts handed us this one and we just couldn't capitalize) and looks worse each week. He has had plenty of opportunity to right the ship and cant get it done.
Billy - Dont let the door hit you on the way out. Terrible. Just terrible.
Gordon - Not cutting bait on him. He has looked like ####, but his ceiling is sky high.
Hoyer - Gone. He has blown wayyyy too many games (the colts handed us this one and we just couldn't capitalize) and looks worse each week. He has had plenty of opportunity to right the ship and cant get it done.
Billy - Dont let the door hit you on the way out. Terrible. Just terrible.
Random
Footballguy
You dont think JFF could've done better than 14/31 140 0 2? Cmon. Colt Freaking Mccoy lit these guys up.
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amnesiac
beer is good
i agree, unfortunately.
Dizzy
Footballguy
The Man With No Name
Footballguy
Hoyer- 1st quarterback since 1997 with no touchdown passes and 2 or more interceptions in 3 straight games.
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With everything that's gone on this year they can't bring him back. Word is manziel and hoyer don't even talk to each other. Not really the relationship you want b/t your qb's.
Dizzy
Footballguy
Then I think a little off season reality check on Hoyer's behalf may come into play. He is a back-up QB... not his fault that he was starting, but reality has come home to roost.
Guys don't have to like each other to play together. It helps, but not a requirement.
A young qb needs a backup who will help him develop. Browns aren't going to want Hoyer back and he won't want to be there.
The Man With No Name
Footballguy
2015 free agents. Manziel's backup could be one of them-
http://www.profootballrumors.com/2015-nfl-free-agents-2/
http://www.profootballrumors.com/2015-nfl-free-agents-2/
Bobcat10
Footballguy
Why do you think they flexed over today's game? They want JFF's first start.amnesiac said:
I don't know the rules in the contract about the flexing, but I think they get a few each after the midpoint of the season. Doesn't seem like they can think about it into the week either.
amnesiac
beer is good
huh. ok.
mr fancypants
Footballguy
Bobcat10
Footballguy
I just read a little more about it, it's not even real clear of how these games are being selected. Maybe FOX isn't pulling in specific games they want, I can't tell. But they are getting "extra" games to balance out the schedule with CBS having TNF games with FOX/NFC games/teams.
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nxmehta
Footballguy
Compile the stupidest things said in this thread over the years, and this statement is right up near the top.
Are you serious man? Yes, Hoyer is done. Yes, Pettine made the wrong call today. So we should fire a coach who has taken us closer to the playoffs than anyone in years, and in his rookie season to boot? Get that junk out of here.
I'm angry that we lost this game too, but getting rid of Pettine right now would be a huge mistake. He's earned another year, easy.
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ghostguy123
Footballguy
I am responding to this post for two reasons. First of all, yeah, Hoyer needs to hit the bench and let Johnny take a crack at it. I am traditionally one of the slowest people to go against the starter and call for the rookie backup, but it's officially time. I was ok with Hoyer getting the start this week, but woulda been ok with Johnny. Right now I will not be ok if Hoyer starts next week.
And yeah, rather than say "Hoyer is 10-5 as a starter", I rather say "The Browns happen to be 10-5 with Hoyer starting".
The second reason I am responding is because of your sig. That EM quote is, umm, what the hell is he talking about there?
ghostguy123
Footballguy
oh, and we need a kicker.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Gut punch loss for Browns fans. The defense absolutely deserved a win for that effort. Cundiff, Gordon, Hoyer.
Haden a great first half. T.Y. treated him like his ##### in the 2nd half.
Better team won, but there were a half dozen what ifs that could have tilted this to an easy win for Cleveland. I like Pettine, have to give him a lot of credit for getting them this far. This could be a building block season. Setting the playoff possibility aside - with their conference record it would take a certified miracle scenario - this next few weeks are mighty important to the future of this team.
Hope Manziel has a good run. I don't think he's ready and I suspect the nuances of NFL quarterback are way beyond his work ethic. But I hope I'm wrong, not because I own or like him, but only because Cleveland deserves a winner.
Haden a great first half. T.Y. treated him like his ##### in the 2nd half.
Better team won, but there were a half dozen what ifs that could have tilted this to an easy win for Cleveland. I like Pettine, have to give him a lot of credit for getting them this far. This could be a building block season. Setting the playoff possibility aside - with their conference record it would take a certified miracle scenario - this next few weeks are mighty important to the future of this team.
Hope Manziel has a good run. I don't think he's ready and I suspect the nuances of NFL quarterback are way beyond his work ethic. But I hope I'm wrong, not because I own or like him, but only because Cleveland deserves a winner.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Probably right, but Haden had the coverage on the 42 yard TD and the 1 yard game winner. He also forced a Hilton fumble and basically shut down T.Y. in the first half. The job the Browns did on those first six possessions was amazing (five punts, strip/fumble TD).
MAC_32
Footballguy
After K'Waun got hurt I pretty much exclusively watched who Gilbert was covering. Was kinda cool to see an interception happening before it happened. Anyway, throughout the first 2+ quarters there was absolutely no one open, anywhere. The one that broke open deep (Moncrief?) but Luck short armed him was the only receiver I saw break free at any point. After K'Waun got hurt? Luck just kept going after Gilbert and often times Hilton was on the receiving end. Yeah, Haden gave up the scoring plays, but it wouldn't surprise me if every one of his other yards were vs. Gilbert.
Soulfly3
Footballguy
Alright... I've let the anger settle and watched the game again.. which brought more anger... but Ive simmered and returned with thoughts on the game and my previous statements.
#1 - Pettine should be fired - I said that. I partially meant it at the time. After watching the game again, I still partially mean it. Pettine comes with a lot of good. He makes the team fight, earn their place, we have a winning record and we look like a legit team.... on defense.
Pettine, while being the catalyst of bringing us to the small chance of making the playoffs, has also cost us a shot at the playoffs. Single-handedly. Watching Hoyer for the 2nd time yesterday made me sick to my stomach. Knowing the outcome, and then watching him cost us the game over and over with inaccurate passes. I rewatched 2 surefire TDs go to waste, overthrowing benji and gordon. I watched countless passes into the dirt, or to nobody.
That's on Pettine. I didnt agree with starting Hoyer this week, but at least I could see how he justified it. What I cannot justify is leaving him in past the first quarter... Ok, maybe you wanna give him a little more of a chance to get into the flow... but after the 2nd quarter, the fact Hoyer came onto the field was an absolute travesty and THAT cost us our season perhaps.
Manziel didnt play a snap. And that is 110% wrong. I was against drafting him. I dont necessarily like him. But not playing him cost us a win, imo. And now, likely the season.
note: I want Pettine to stay... but the guy eneds to clean up the QB situation NOW, and clean up his clock management.. it's embarrassing.
#2 - Gordon - First drive he look poised to have a big day. Hoyer hits him quick and he turns what would be no gain for 99% of WRs into 9yds.. Beauty. Then the targets seemed to dim. He dropped a pass. Was overthrown for a sure TD (how one even overthrows gordon of all ppl, is mindboggling), and then on the final drive, he dropped a tough pass that he should have caught. Yes, it was a tough ### catch, but in that moment, in that desperation, you need to catch it. Plain and simple. Terrible game.
#3 - The Defense. - I dont need to spend much time on this. Perhaps the best Defense Ive seen the Browns play... in ages. It was superb, and they got slapped by a completely inept Browns offense. I worry the defense might put this on Pettine for not making any effort to spark the offense. I hope not.
#4 - The Crow - This kid needs to be our lead dog. Like 20-25 touch kinda dog. The vision is so beautiful to watch. The power w which he hits the hole, after making a filthy cut... It's majestic. I like West, but I think he's a compliment piece.... and I have NO idea what the announcer was going on about, re: how the Browns clearly favor West... That's a load of BS to me. The Crow is going to be $$$ for us.
... it was a heartbreaking loss. A lot of folks need to take responsibility on this. None of them are on defense.
#1 - Pettine should be fired - I said that. I partially meant it at the time. After watching the game again, I still partially mean it. Pettine comes with a lot of good. He makes the team fight, earn their place, we have a winning record and we look like a legit team.... on defense.
Pettine, while being the catalyst of bringing us to the small chance of making the playoffs, has also cost us a shot at the playoffs. Single-handedly. Watching Hoyer for the 2nd time yesterday made me sick to my stomach. Knowing the outcome, and then watching him cost us the game over and over with inaccurate passes. I rewatched 2 surefire TDs go to waste, overthrowing benji and gordon. I watched countless passes into the dirt, or to nobody.
That's on Pettine. I didnt agree with starting Hoyer this week, but at least I could see how he justified it. What I cannot justify is leaving him in past the first quarter... Ok, maybe you wanna give him a little more of a chance to get into the flow... but after the 2nd quarter, the fact Hoyer came onto the field was an absolute travesty and THAT cost us our season perhaps.
Manziel didnt play a snap. And that is 110% wrong. I was against drafting him. I dont necessarily like him. But not playing him cost us a win, imo. And now, likely the season.
note: I want Pettine to stay... but the guy eneds to clean up the QB situation NOW, and clean up his clock management.. it's embarrassing.
#2 - Gordon - First drive he look poised to have a big day. Hoyer hits him quick and he turns what would be no gain for 99% of WRs into 9yds.. Beauty. Then the targets seemed to dim. He dropped a pass. Was overthrown for a sure TD (how one even overthrows gordon of all ppl, is mindboggling), and then on the final drive, he dropped a tough pass that he should have caught. Yes, it was a tough ### catch, but in that moment, in that desperation, you need to catch it. Plain and simple. Terrible game.
#3 - The Defense. - I dont need to spend much time on this. Perhaps the best Defense Ive seen the Browns play... in ages. It was superb, and they got slapped by a completely inept Browns offense. I worry the defense might put this on Pettine for not making any effort to spark the offense. I hope not.
#4 - The Crow - This kid needs to be our lead dog. Like 20-25 touch kinda dog. The vision is so beautiful to watch. The power w which he hits the hole, after making a filthy cut... It's majestic. I like West, but I think he's a compliment piece.... and I have NO idea what the announcer was going on about, re: how the Browns clearly favor West... That's a load of BS to me. The Crow is going to be $$$ for us.
... it was a heartbreaking loss. A lot of folks need to take responsibility on this. None of them are on defense.
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Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
They cannot be serious about this, can they?
MAC_32
Footballguy
No. Media make believe. Pettine said in his presser Wednesday when asked that they made the decision or thereabouts on Tuesday morning.
Soulfly3
Footballguy
massraider
Footballguy
I'm not a believer in Manziel, but the word 'haters' is very much valid here. He's not getting a chance, and quite a bit of media are turning into tabloid journalists over this guy. It's a shame.
Dizzy
Footballguy
During the pregame show yesterday they made a point to comment that by the time Manziel showed up for the game, Hoyer had already been there for two (2) hours putting work in. They said that this wasn't anything unusual and just part of Manziel's "normal" routine. So I wondered why they mentioned it? Maybe they report on every back-up QB in the NFL and I just happened to miss it?
All I can think is that the CLE coaching staff must feel that Johnny Football is just not ready for the NFL yet.
All I can think is that the CLE coaching staff must feel that Johnny Football is just not ready for the NFL yet.
