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[Bobcat10]

So I know a lot of you listen to the same CLE radio I do. Jim Donovan was just on and said Justin Gilbert reported for the Houston game at 11:45am. That was a 1pm home game. And he is probably the one they keep out of the three stooges (Manziel/Gordon/Gilbert). It was an interesting 1/2 hour, with the season being over the gloves are off.

That was an interesting talk with Donovan. I'm also annoyed by Hoyer leading the "Gordon Ruined the Season" train. This apparently came straight from a 1 on 1 conversation between Donovan and Hoyer. Hoyer, and the Browns, sucked plenty before Gordon returned IMO. They were also had good games, I'm not denying that. Gordon didn't do the team any favors upon his return, that is true, but Hoyer comes off as a big baby in the 2nd half of the season to me.

 

[Bobcat10]

I'm in Cincy and don't get much of Browns coverage here except for a game or two out of Dayton. Link to the station where I can listen, or perhaps a podcast? These three fools have me shaking my head. Did they say anything specific out of JFF or Gordon being traded, or is this more of a gut feeling you have after listening? Gordon being suspended gives the Browns one more year with him under contract, correct? Was that move partially to salvage part of his contract, or make him more desireable for a trade (two years at a low rate vs one)?

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[GroveDiesel]

In all seriousness, what specifically is going on with Gilbert? I just don't understand. Is it basically that he thinks he can steal that $12 mil guaranteed and just not play football after that? Does he feel like he should be starting and is pouting? Is it that he doesn't like how many meetings there are in the NFL?

There are so many lines being printed about this kid yet nothing is actually saying what the damn problem is.

He's an athletic freak, but wasn't ever taught how to play corner back. I think he's probably instinctively resisting putting in the work to be great since he never has needed to before. That is why I didn't want him, but I'd be lying if I said I expected it to be this bad.

He has the raw skills, speed, athleticism, and length, to turn into an exceptional NFL CB. He flashed some this year but the book is he's consistently late for practice and workouts and it seems he's resistant to criticism and the position takes some adjusting to the NFL game.He was a top ten draft pick and was considered the best at his position by many scouts and NFL front offices' and he heard that and knows how good he can be but it seems he lost track at some point after he inked his contract.

Look at Joe Haden this year, he look terrible for the first half but he put it together and was playing at a high level at the end.

The kid has better raw skills than Joe so I'm not writing him off yet. I think Pettine and O'Brien can work with him but its up to him to transform himself into an exceptional player and I don't know how far he'll push himself. Right now he's not making the effort so I'm fine with the criticism but he has the skill and I think he's got the coaching in place and he can make the effort but its up to him.

Manziel on the other hand, I don't think he's got the raw skill and his position requires more than just raw skill and effort, maturity plays a big role if he expects to be a leader.

The good thing heading into this offseason is Haslett has announced he will keep Pettine and Farmer and he's backing them over Josh Gordon.

Don't know how Farmer stays since he's responsible for the circus going on. Seems weird to freak out on all the players and not the GM that took them despite knowing they all had these concerns.

 

[The Man With No Name]

In all seriousness, what specifically is going on with Gilbert? I just don't understand. Is it basically that he thinks he can steal that $12 mil guaranteed and just not play football after that? Does he feel like he should be starting and is pouting? Is it that he doesn't like how many meetings there are in the NFL?

There are so many lines being printed about this kid yet nothing is actually saying what the damn problem is.

He's an athletic freak, but wasn't ever taught how to play corner back. I think he's probably instinctively resisting putting in the work to be great since he never has needed to before. That is why I didn't want him, but I'd be lying if I said I expected it to be this bad.

He has the raw skills, speed, athleticism, and length, to turn into an exceptional NFL CB. He flashed some this year but the book is he's consistently late for practice and workouts and it seems he's resistant to criticism and the position takes some adjusting to the NFL game.He was a top ten draft pick and was considered the best at his position by many scouts and NFL front offices' and he heard that and knows how good he can be but it seems he lost track at some point after he inked his contract.

Look at Joe Haden this year, he look terrible for the first half but he put it together and was playing at a high level at the end.

The kid has better raw skills than Joe so I'm not writing him off yet. I think Pettine and O'Brien can work with him but its up to him to transform himself into an exceptional player and I don't know how far he'll push himself. Right now he's not making the effort so I'm fine with the criticism but he has the skill and I think he's got the coaching in place and he can make the effort but its up to him.

Manziel on the other hand, I don't think he's got the raw skill and his position requires more than just raw skill and effort, maturity plays a big role if he expects to be a leader.

The good thing heading into this offseason is Haslett has announced he will keep Pettine and Farmer and he's backing them over Josh Gordon.

Don't know how Farmer stays since he's responsible for the circus going on. Seems weird to freak out on all the players and not the GM that took them despite knowing they all had these concerns.

During the draft everyone figured Gilbert was who Pettine wanted and Manziel was who Haslam wanted.

Maybe Farmer didn't have everything to do with those 2 picks. They can still become good players. Many first rounders struggle early in their careers then improve. The talent is there. Whether they have what it takes inside themselves and between the ears is what remains to be seen. Doesn't look good now though.

 

[nxmehta]

In all seriousness, what specifically is going on with Gilbert? I just don't understand. Is it basically that he thinks he can steal that $12 mil guaranteed and just not play football after that? Does he feel like he should be starting and is pouting? Is it that he doesn't like how many meetings there are in the NFL?

There are so many lines being printed about this kid yet nothing is actually saying what the damn problem is.

He's an athletic freak, but wasn't ever taught how to play corner back. I think he's probably instinctively resisting putting in the work to be great since he never has needed to before. That is why I didn't want him, but I'd be lying if I said I expected it to be this bad.

He has the raw skills, speed, athleticism, and length, to turn into an exceptional NFL CB. He flashed some this year but the book is he's consistently late for practice and workouts and it seems he's resistant to criticism and the position takes some adjusting to the NFL game.

If that's the problem then it seems the coaching staff needs to learn what it takes to coach this guy up. Not everyone takes criticism well. That's why you have to coach everyone differently. If he needs kid gloves on to be an outstanding CB, then put them on. The job of the coach is to do whatever it takes to make sure his guys succeed. They can't make him do it, but they need to find a way to reach him.

 

[beer 30]

Don't know how Farmer stays since he's responsible for the circus going on. Seems weird to freak out on all the players and not the GM that took them despite knowing they all had these concerns.

Couple of reasons, first being mentioned by the poster before me, I don't know that Gilbert & Manziel can be 100% laid at Farmers feet. Certainly not the Manziel pick.If you look at the remainder of Farmers draft I'd have to say it came out as a solid B+:

2nd Round: OG Joel Bitonio - arguably one of if not the best rookie OL drafted

3rd Round: ILB Christian Kirksey - played well & should continue to develop with veteran leadership on D

3rd Round: RB Terrance West - servicable RB that needs to get his head out of his ###

4th Round: CB Pierre Desir - outplayed the #4 pick in the draft until he was hurt in week 3. Oh, that pick was Justin Gilbert...####

Undrafted Signing: RB Isaiah Crowell

Second, at some point, you have to stop the endless regime carousal the Browns have been on since 1999. I think Farmer & Pettine are a good foundation and I hope they mature as well as their players. Pettine has an opportunity to put a stamp on this team now that the first year is behind and I think, for the most part, he has the respect of the team. If I were him I would argue vehemently that Gordon has to go and I wouldn't be shy about throwing Manziel into that mix as well. Gilbert has the raw talent but he needs to get his head focused on football. My opinions, poke holes as needed.

 

[ghostguy123]

Rookie GM, rookie head coach, no legit QB, top WR gone most of the year..........going into the year I though we had maybe a 1% chance to make the playoffs.

Now we have all kinds of crazy turmoil that is gonna get hounded on by the media due to the simple fact that Johnny suckass plays here.

We can let Johnny go for all I care. Never wanted him. Addition by subtraction. It looks bad as an organization to draft a 1st rounders and cut bait after one year, but it's happened before.

Gordon. Keep him. Let's see how 2015 shakes out.

Gilbert- see Gordon

Were people talking about Farmer being let go??? Jesus no. But here is the thing though. If Gilbert and Johnny were truly "Farmer picks" you could at least make a small case to kick him to the curb, but even then I say no way. PLus, I dont think those guys were true Farmer picks. My guess is Farmer was hoping and praying that someone would draft Johnny before we got the pick again.

 

[amnesiac]

Rookie GM, rookie head coach, no legit QB, top WR gone most of the year..........going into the year I though we had maybe a 1% chance to make the playoffs.

Now we have all kinds of crazy turmoil that is gonna get hounded on by the media due to the simple fact that Johnny suckass plays here.

We can let Johnny go for all I care. Never wanted him. Addition by subtraction. It looks bad as an organization to draft a 1st rounders and cut bait after one year, but it's happened before.

Gordon. Keep him. Let's see how 2015 shakes out.

Gilbert- see Gordon

Were people talking about Farmer being let go??? Jesus no. But here is the thing though. If Gilbert and Johnny were truly "Farmer picks" you could at least make a small case to kick him to the curb, but even then I say no way. PLus, I dont think those guys were true Farmer picks. My guess is Farmer was hoping and praying that someone would draft Johnny before we got the pick again.

remember though, they actually traded up to get him. seemed to me that was a Haslam pick.

 

[ghostguy123]

seemed to me that was a Haslam pick.
remember though, they actually traded up to get him.

I don't care who's idea it was to make that pick. #### happens. Move on. Live and learn.

It could explain why Haslam is so pissed at him though.

It sure looks stupid to pick a guy in the first and cut him after less than two full games, but I dont care how it looks. A good GM wouldnt care either.

 

[PlasmaDogPlasma]

Don't know how Farmer stays since he's responsible for the circus going on. Seems weird to freak out on all the players and not the GM that took them despite knowing they all had these concerns.

Couple of reasons, first being mentioned by the poster before me, I don't know that Gilbert & Manziel can be 100% laid at Farmers feet. Certainly not the Manziel pick.If you look at the remainder of Farmers draft I'd have to say it came out as a solid B+:

2nd Round: OG Joel Bitonio - arguably one of if not the best rookie OL drafted

3rd Round: ILB Christian Kirksey - played well & should continue to develop with veteran leadership on D

3rd Round: RB Terrance West - servicable RB that needs to get his head out of his ###

4th Round: CB Pierre Desir - outplayed the #4 pick in the draft until he was hurt in week 3. Oh, that pick was Justin Gilbert...####

Undrafted Signing: RB Isaiah Crowell

Let's not forget undrafted K'Waun Williams

 

[The Man With No Name]

After 4, 5, 4, 5, 5, and 4 wins the last 6 years, 7 is a BIG improvement.

 

[ghostguy123]

After 4, 5, 4, 5, 5, and 4 wins the last 6 years, 7 is a BIG improvement.

We have improved, but not as much as ya might think. We don't get to play a handful of 0-8 teams too often.

But yeah, when you barely win any games, a slight uptick looks huge.

 

[PlasmaDogPlasma]

After 4, 5, 4, 5, 5, and 4 wins the last 6 years, 7 is a BIG improvement.

We have improved, but not as much as ya might think. We don't get to play a handful of 0-8 teams too often.

But yeah, when you barely win any games, a slight uptick looks huge.

75% increase in wins is more than slight uptick

 

[s_ezy]

One of the issues with Gordon stems from when he was drafted.

He came into camp like he had arrived.

The vets on defense were like "you got drafted and haven't done anything yet"

He had a sense of entitlement and that combined with his poor work ethic have strained his relationship with the leaders on defense.

 

[Bobcat10]

I see solid improvement from years past. Former teams would have rolled over @pitt and @ten after those 1stH's. We won divisional games. We weren't the ones embarrassed on primetime nat'l tv. I'm sure I'm missing a few things.

Now we have an offseason to address certain depth issues, get Mack back, hopefully select 2 impact 1st rounders and get the damn qb thing solved.

 

[MAC_32]

In all seriousness, what specifically is going on with Gilbert? I just don't understand. Is it basically that he thinks he can steal that $12 mil guaranteed and just not play football after that? Does he feel like he should be starting and is pouting? Is it that he doesn't like how many meetings there are in the NFL?

There are so many lines being printed about this kid yet nothing is actually saying what the damn problem is.

He's an athletic freak, but wasn't ever taught how to play corner back. I think he's probably instinctively resisting putting in the work to be great since he never has needed to before. That is why I didn't want him, but I'd be lying if I said I expected it to be this bad.

He has the raw skills, speed, athleticism, and length, to turn into an exceptional NFL CB. He flashed some this year but the book is he's consistently late for practice and workouts and it seems he's resistant to criticism and the position takes some adjusting to the NFL game.He was a top ten draft pick and was considered the best at his position by many scouts and NFL front offices' and he heard that and knows how good he can be but it seems he lost track at some point after he inked his contract.

Look at Joe Haden this year, he look terrible for the first half but he put it together and was playing at a high level at the end.

The kid has better raw skills than Joe so I'm not writing him off yet. I think Pettine and O'Brien can work with him but its up to him to transform himself into an exceptional player and I don't know how far he'll push himself. Right now he's not making the effort so I'm fine with the criticism but he has the skill and I think he's got the coaching in place and he can make the effort but its up to him.

Manziel on the other hand, I don't think he's got the raw skill and his position requires more than just raw skill and effort, maturity plays a big role if he expects to be a leader.

The good thing heading into this offseason is Haslett has announced he will keep Pettine and Farmer and he's backing them over Josh Gordon.

Don't know how Farmer stays since he's responsible for the circus going on. Seems weird to freak out on all the players and not the GM that took them despite knowing they all had these concerns.

sorry, but if this is your conclusion about this season then I don't think you've been paying much attention.

 

[MAC_32]

In all seriousness, what specifically is going on with Gilbert? I just don't understand. Is it basically that he thinks he can steal that $12 mil guaranteed and just not play football after that? Does he feel like he should be starting and is pouting? Is it that he doesn't like how many meetings there are in the NFL?

There are so many lines being printed about this kid yet nothing is actually saying what the damn problem is.

He's an athletic freak, but wasn't ever taught how to play corner back. I think he's probably instinctively resisting putting in the work to be great since he never has needed to before. That is why I didn't want him, but I'd be lying if I said I expected it to be this bad.

He has the raw skills, speed, athleticism, and length, to turn into an exceptional NFL CB. He flashed some this year but the book is he's consistently late for practice and workouts and it seems he's resistant to criticism and the position takes some adjusting to the NFL game.

If that's the problem then it seems the coaching staff needs to learn what it takes to coach this guy up. Not everyone takes criticism well. That's why you have to coach everyone differently. If he needs kid gloves on to be an outstanding CB, then put them on. The job of the coach is to do whatever it takes to make sure his guys succeed. They can't make him do it, but they need to find a way to reach him.

not everyone is coachable. It looks like we have two legit corners selected day three and in free agency. This staff developed and coached both of them up. Gilbert not and them doing so has the finger pointed only at Gilbert.

 

[MAC_32]

After 4, 5, 4, 5, 5, and 4 wins the last 6 years, 7 is a BIG improvement.

We have improved, but not as much as ya might think. We don't get to play a handful of 0-8 teams too often.

But yeah, when you barely win any games, a slight uptick looks huge.

75% increase in wins is more than slight uptick

the crash landing at the end more than offsets that, want to see a team on the upswing. We certainly did not. Schedule next year likely brutal too. Need some friendly matchups early on or it could be trouble.

 

[amnesiac]

http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2014/12/mike_pettine_cleveland_browns_1.html#incart_story_package

 

[amnesiac]

lots of interesting quotes there.

Pettine saying a lot of things that needed to be said.

 

[Bobcat10]

Why exactly are there crazy rules in the offseason, for example - you can't study with players? Is this something the Players Assoc fights for or something the league creates for some kind of equality/balance among teams?

 

[amnesiac]

Why exactly are there crazy rules in the offseason, for example - you can't study with players? Is this something the Players Assoc fights for or something the league creates for some kind of equality/balance among teams?

not positive, but i think it was something the PA argued for.

 

[Bobcat10]

Why exactly are there crazy rules in the offseason, for example - you can't study with players? Is this something the Players Assoc fights for or something the league creates for some kind of equality/balance among teams?

not positive, but i think it was something the PA argued for.

That would certainly make sense.

 

[The Man With No Name]

2015 Opponents:

Home: Cincinnati, Baltimore, Pittsburgh, Denver, Oakland, Arizona, San Francisco, Tennessee

Away: Cincinnati, Baltimore, Pittsburgh, Kansas City, San Diego, St. Louis, Seattle, NY Jets

 

[MAC_32]

2015 Opponents:

Home: Cincinnati, Baltimore, Pittsburgh, Denver, Oakland, Arizona, San Francisco, Tennessee

Away: Cincinnati, Baltimore, Pittsburgh, Kansas City, San Diego, St. Louis, Seattle, NY Jets

damn, hoped KC was home and Denver away, better chance at another win.

 

[ghostguy123]

2015 Opponents:

Home: Cincinnati, Baltimore, Pittsburgh, Denver, Oakland, Arizona, San Francisco, Tennessee

Away: Cincinnati, Baltimore, Pittsburgh, Kansas City, San Diego, St. Louis, Seattle, NY Jets

So we should be maneuvering ourselves for a top pick in the 2016 draft for a QB then?? Lord, by the time we get a decent QB (if ever), our current best players will be older and/or maybe even not on the team anymore, and that schedule doesnt help.

 

[beer 30]

Couple of interesting things from the radio this morning:

1. Kirk Cousins was in Tremont last night having dinner

And

"I brought this on myself. I brought these cameras and all these people that are in this locker room right now and I don't think it's fair to myself, I don't think it's fair to anybody in this locker room the distractions I've brought at points in time," Manziel said Monday, according to The Plain Dealer.

"So I'm sorry to these guys that are veterans in this locker room and know what it takes, that I'm having to learn the hard way. At the same time, I'm either going to learn or I'm going to be finding something else to do."

Manziel said he overslept after staying out too late on Friday. He then offered a blunt self-assessment. "There's nothing I can sit here and tell you," he said. "I can't sit here and talk to these mics or these cameras or anything that's going to do any good. It's about actions, it's about being accountable and doing what I'm going to say instead of looking like a jackass."

Supposed to be in CLE rehabbing a sore hammy right? Well done John http://instagram.com/p/xOCZ1tOPHj/

Edit to add: Farmer said everyone was given leave for a week so John Q Football is well within his rights to be in South Beach. I liked his wording saying everyone was given leave to detox for a week

 

[Bobcat10]

The detox comment was unintentional gold.

I have no problem with JFF being at a club in South Beach when he has no football obligations. If he's not getting arrested or doing illegal drugs, what is the difference? How many other NFL players not in the playoffs were out having some fun the past few days?

I am NOT defending JFF being late on Saturday of game weekend for treatment or whatever his duties were, nor do I think he should be out partying Friday night during the season, and very limited during the "entire football season". But the local media is out to hang this guy and in turn bring more turmoil to the Browns than is needed.

 

[pizzatyme]

Remember when some of your fans were laughing at the Colts for the trade? And how this front office was SOOOOOO smart? What says you now?

 

[amnesiac]

Remember when some of your fans were laughing at the Colts for the trade? And how this front office was SOOOOOO smart? What says you now?

this is barely tangentially related to the trade. Colts got hosed.

 

[pizzatyme]

Remember when some of your fans were laughing at the Colts for the trade? And how this front office was SOOOOOO smart? What says you now?

this is barely tangentially related to the trade.Colts got hosed.

How has it worked out for both teams? The Colts have a durable back who can get them 1-2 yards on every play!!! The point here is that the Browns FO arent the geniuses they were made out to be post-trade. And I agree, the Colts got hosed. I'm no fan of Grigson.

 

[amnesiac]

Remember when some of your fans were laughing at the Colts for the trade? And how this front office was SOOOOOO smart? What says you now?

this is barely tangentially related to the trade.Colts got hosed.

How has it worked out for both teams? The Colts have a durable back who can get them 1-2 yards on every play!!! The point here is that the Browns FO arent the geniuses they were made out to be post-trade. And I agree, the Colts got hosed. I'm no fan of Grigson.

well, technically this is a different FO than made that trade. also i will admit, i'd rather have Richardson right now than Manziel.

but it was still a good trade.

 

[beer 30]

The detox comment was unintentional gold.

I have no problem with JFF being at a club in South Beach when he has no football obligations. If he's not getting arrested or doing illegal drugs, what is the difference? How many other NFL players not in the playoffs were out having some fun the past few days?

I am NOT defending JFF being late on Saturday of game weekend for treatment or whatever his duties were, nor do I think he should be out partying Friday night during the season, and very limited during the "entire football season". But the local media is out to hang this guy and in turn bring more turmoil to the Browns than is needed.

I don't disagree but you have to be aware of your presence. You can't keep saying I'm going to work hard to do the right thing, I need to work harder, etc and then go right from the podium to Hopkins and at a club in 2 hours. He can sure talk the talk but you all know as well as I do, Cleveland is a blue collar town that embraces hard work. He is not walking the walk.

And I thought Farmer did a good job of shrugging it off saying something to the effect that Johnny will draw attention no matter where he is and no matter if he has a bottle of water or vodka in his hand. I still think it's a bad look given all that has transpired in the last week.

 

[The Man With No Name]

You learn from experience and age. All us "older" guys know way more than Johnny does and more than you younger guys do.

If I knew in my early 20's what I know now.............................................

It's true

 

[Bobcat10]

Ben Tate made the playoffs after all.

 

[Bobcat10]

Shanny & Son are up to some no good it seems. Does it ever end? My goodness.

 

[amnesiac]

i wouldn't be overly sad to see Shannahan go.

 

[Bobcat10]

i wouldn't be overly sad to see Shannahan go.

It's the constant, endless, turnover. It has to stop.

 

[ghostguy123]

i wouldn't be overly sad to see Shannahan go.

It's the constant, endless, turnover. It has to stop.

How can it? Only way that can happen is if players/Coaches WANT to be here.

Or we pay him as much as he would make if he were a head coach

 

[amnesiac]

i wouldn't be overly sad to see Shannahan go.

It's the constant, endless, turnover. It has to stop.

true. but coordinators come and go. it's just the nature of the game. i would like to see Pettine get at least five years though.

 

[GroveDiesel]

i wouldn't be overly sad to see Shannahan go.

Vic Carrucci is reporting that if the Bills hired Mike and Kyle, it would be Mike as HC and Kyle as OC (which was contrary to previous reports having Mike as GM and Kyle as HC).

As a Bills fan, I would prefer the Browns block that. You can keep him. Not impressed with either Shanahan.

 

[amnesiac]

i wouldn't be overly sad to see Shannahan go.

Vic Carrucci is reporting that if the Bills hired Mike and Kyle, it would be Mike as HC and Kyle as OC (which was contrary to previous reports having Mike as GM and Kyle as HC). As a Bills fan, I would prefer the Browns block that. You can keep him. Not impressed with either Shanahan.

no offense, but Mike to Buffalo feels like him adding to the retirement fund at the last minute. kinda like when Holmgren collected checks from the Browns for a few years.

 

[Bobcat10]

i wouldn't be overly sad to see Shannahan go.

Vic Carrucci is reporting that if the Bills hired Mike and Kyle, it would be Mike as HC and Kyle as OC (which was contrary to previous reports having Mike as GM and Kyle as HC).

As a Bills fan, I would prefer the Browns block that. You can keep him. Not impressed with either Shanahan.

Does anyone know all the options the Browns have? I know we can block if it's lateral and have no choice if it's promotion, but.....

If it's lateral, can we request compensation (or does the league just give us compensation)? Does it have to be negotiated between the teams?

If it's a promotion to HC...same questions.

And Grove, I don't think the Browns would block anything if he wants to leave. Nor should they. I have a feeling they'll be out West together anyways, not in Buffalo.

 

[nxmehta]

Cleveland Browns' Kyle Shanahan will consider lateral move because of friction between coaches and front office, sources say: http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2015/01/kyle_shanahan_would_consider_e.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

Kyle Shanahan was eager to strike out on his own again, but landed in a situation that has become dysfunctional for him, the sources said. The biggest problem, they say is that the personnel side and coaches aren't seeing eye to eye on some key issues. One source said some coaches became upset when a high-ranking personnel member texted from the press box to the sidelines about play calls.

The coaches also may have felt pressure to start Johnny Manziel in the biggest game of the season, with the playoffs on the line. No mandate was given from the front office, but some staffers felt that the higher-ups wanted to see what their No. 22 overall pick could do. Shanahan did his best to bring Manziel up to speed, but it was evident he wasn't ready to play when he started against the Bengals, and flopped miserably.

Here we go again...

 

[GroveDiesel]

i wouldn't be overly sad to see Shannahan go.

Vic Carrucci is reporting that if the Bills hired Mike and Kyle, it would be Mike as HC and Kyle as OC (which was contrary to previous reports having Mike as GM and Kyle as HC).As a Bills fan, I would prefer the Browns block that. You can keep him. Not impressed with either Shanahan.

Does anyone know all the options the Browns have? I know we can block if it's lateral and have no choice if it's promotion, but.....

If it's lateral, can we request compensation (or does the league just give us compensation)? Does it have to be negotiated between the teams?

If it's a promotion to HC...same questions.

And Grove, I don't think the Browns would block anything if he wants to leave. Nor should they. I have a feeling they'll be out West together anyways, not in Buffalo.

If the Bills wanted Kyle as the OC, the Browns could either agree to just release him, or could force the Bills to give up something in a trade for him. (Or block it and force Kyle to remain there). If the Bills offer him the HC job, there is nothing the Browns could do to block it and they would get no compensation.

 

[ghostguy123]

Anyone else feel like we are in a bad episode of the Twilight Zone?

 

[jurb26]

I just want to clarify. Clev did just have it's best season in like.... Hell, I don't know how long. Right?

 

[Bracie Smathers]

i wouldn't be overly sad to see Shannahan go.

Vic Carrucci is reporting that if the Bills hired Mike and Kyle, it would be Mike as HC and Kyle as OC (which was contrary to previous reports having Mike as GM and Kyle as HC).As a Bills fan, I would prefer the Browns block that. You can keep him. Not impressed with either Shanahan.

Does anyone know all the options the Browns have? I know we can block if it's lateral and have no choice if it's promotion, but.....

If it's lateral, can we request compensation (or does the league just give us compensation)? Does it have to be negotiated between the teams?

If it's a promotion to HC...same questions.

And Grove, I don't think the Browns would block anything if he wants to leave. Nor should they. I have a feeling they'll be out West together anyways, not in Buffalo.

If the Bills wanted Kyle as the OC, the Browns could either agree to just release him, or could force the Bills to give up something in a trade for him. (Or block it and force Kyle to remain there). If the Bills offer him the HC job, there is nothing the Browns could do to block it and they would get no compensation.

Outside of the Browns I'd like to see the Bills succeed and I would be leery of any Mike/Kyle Shanahan combo if I were a Buffalo fan. Also I don't know if Kyle is HC material and right now I highly doubt he's ready to be an NFL head coach.

The reason I am leery of any Mike/Kyle Shanahan combination is because Mike Shanahan wants control over personnel and that automatically creates friction with the front office and the coaching staff. Not good.

Per Kyle not being happy? Boo hoo, too ####### bad. I don't care if he's happy or not, he's under contract and no one should hire him as a HC IMHO. I honestly don't think he's ready and have doubts he's HC material. I would go with Rex Ryan if I'm the Bills, that would make sense on many levels and then they should try to uncover an up-and-coming OC.

I don't know what they can do at QB though, that is a tough one and the Browns are in the same boat trying to find a QB but the Bills should not consider Kyle or Mike Shanahan IMHO. I think it would be a very bad move over the long run even if they could paste on a fake face the first year. It would be like the Kyle Orton signing. A waste of time and it gave a false sense that they were closer than reality. It gave them one or two more wins but it hurts them more in the end because they didn't even try to address the long-term need at QB and they're in worse shape due to signing Orton so any chemistry he had worked out with Sammy and the coaching staff is lost and they pick later in the second round and still need a QB, argh.

 

[MAC_32]

I just want to clarify. Clev did just have it's best season in like.... Hell, I don't know how long. Right?

It was a very good two months followed by a frustrating one then a disastorous one, now this.

 

[beer 30]

Browns parting ways with Kyle Shanahan...beyond awesome.

Also Dowell Loggains hitting the highway.

Factory of Sadness is firing on all cylinders early this offseason