Soulfly3
Footballguy
Yes. I fulyl expect tham to take a WR w their first or second pick at latest...
But Is Bowe really gonna get big $? I doubt that very much. Probably can be had for a reasonable cost
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But Is Bowe really gonna get big $? I doubt that very much. Probably can be had for a reasonable cost
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
We need arms for mini-camp when all of the FAs come into town.
Last year we signed Vince Young and Conner Shaw looked like only a camp arm, now Connor is the de facto #2 since Johnny is still in rehab and may not be ready by mini camp and we are not going to have McCowan waste what is left of his arm or over work Connor Shaw.
Its nothing to get excited about but ofcourse this is what Browns fans do, look for something to complain about so have at it but honestly it means nothing IMHO.
Captain Quinoa
Footballguy
They can sign camp arms any time. Doing it now in the middle of swinging and missing on all the real FA's is a slap in the face to the fans.
And Bowe is a knucklehead - pass.
And Bowe is a knucklehead - pass.
Bobcat10
Footballguy
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Speaking of Connor Shaw, any chance they let him legitimately compete with McCown for the starting job?
I know that no team wants to go into the season thinking they don't have a chance to compete for the playoffs but wouldn't they be better off seeing what they have in him?
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
I actually like him.
Their were two guys who impressed me during last year's preseason, under-the-radar type QBs who I think hold legitimate promise to compete for starting jobs at some point in their careers. One is David Foles from Chicago and the other is Conner Shaw.
He is lil-bigger faster and to be perfectly honest, I thought he performed better than Manziel across the board during last year's preseason.
When he got his shot in the last game against Baltimore I told my nephews that I liked him and got scorn because they assumed he'd fall flat on his face but he played better than anyone expected and he simply clearly was much better than Manziel was last year when Johnny got his shot.
If its me, heck yeah I'd give Connor Shaw a legit chance to compete with Johnny and from what I had seen he would beat him out if it were a fair competition. At this point in his career I honestly cannot say he'd beat out Josh McCowan because I haven't really looked at McCowan but I've seem both Johnny and Connor and IMHO from what I saw, he was better but I'm willing to be fair and see what Johnny can do assuming he comes out of rehab clean and he buckles down and puts in time and effort needed to become a starting NFL QB.
Captain Quinoa
Footballguy
Pwingles
Footballguy
Fales?
MAC_32
Footballguy
We aren't going to be anywhere near the salary cap anytime soon. We're a better team with him on it.
MAC_32
Footballguy
MAC_32
Footballguy
Fales and Shaw are both interesting from the neck up, but both have noodle arms that will never hold up here as a starter.
MAC_32
Footballguy
Yeah, signing Thad is not the problem, doing it now is.
Don't get me wrong, I totally disagree with those that want to overpay for star free agents, but signing camp bodies now is just going to rile those already on edge about the lack of activity in free agency up even more.
B-Deep
Footballguy
Maybe he'll play, as Grossi pointed out
The Browns have used a third starting quarterback in a season in four of the past five years.
MAC_32
Footballguy
Captain Quinoa
Footballguy
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
They do but building arm strength has been reported to be one of the easiest weakness' that young NFL QB prospects can increase. Lots of guys came in with less than stellar arms, Tom Brady, Eli Manning, and just look at Peyton but back on point. I saw that arm strength is something that young guys can increase up to 'acceptable' standards.
Add Connor had a couple of shoulder injuries in college so that could have impacted his poor showing of arm strength when he was tested.
So yes, he came in with a weak arm but he can and should increase his arm strength as have many young NFL QB prospects. And he did go deep to TE Jordan Cameron and nailed the pass for a 49 yard TD in his only NFL start so .... its possible he can improve his arm up to 'acceptable' NFL standards but he probably never will have a great arm.
They signed both YV and Thigpen last year and cut them both. The fact is those signing meant nothing and they wouldn't have meant anything if we signed them before drafting Manzeil now would it? Why would it matter last year and why is it so crucial that we NOT sign a camp arm now? Why? Because Grossi is ledging again? Oh no poor Tony Grossi is going to blow ANOTHER fuse better walk on eggshells and not sign those camp arms now or he'll cry. Come on.
Last year the YV and Thigpen signings meant nothing an neither does signing some schlub who won't be on the final roster come September but can pitch in during mini-camp and maybe into TC. Why should people blow a fuse NOW but not after the draft? They must really want to have a hissy fit so go ahead but it still means nothing. Absurd to say signing a camp arm now REALLY means something now because of the fragile nature of the downtrodden Browns fan.
Sorry but I think most Browns fans are tougher than that and don't care if they sign a camp arm now or in a couple of months the end result will be the same, they are what they are, camp arms.
B-Deep
Footballguy
Lewis, who made one start in his two years as the No. 3 quarterback in the Pat Shurmur seasons of 2011 and 2012, thus becomes the first member of “22 Club” to return to the team.
Of the 22 quarterbacks to start a game for the Browns since 1999, Lewis is one of eight to not record a victory. That roll call: Lewis (0-1), Johnny Manziel (0-2), Connor Shaw (0-1), Bruce Gradkowski (0-1), Ken Dorsey (0-3), Luke McCown (0-4), Spergon Wynn (0-1) and Ty Detmer (0-2).
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B-Deep
Footballguy
what makes it different, to me, is what Grossi pointed out the other day. Haslam stood up there after the last game of the season and said of the QB situation:
“(GM) Ray (Farmer) and his team will go to work on that tonight or tomorrow,”
since that day they have watched the only starter they have had with a winning record since there comeback leave for Houston, seen johnny go into rehab, signed Josh McCown (1-10 last season) and signed Thad Lewis
It's reasonable to judge them on this, because they said they were working on it. I want someone to ask Haslam, Farmer. and the whole crew is this is what they came up with?
now it may be premature, they may answer the questions in the draft. But when you put it out there as a D1 of the off season priority, you have to expect people to judge you based on how well you do, and to this point they have not done so well
and if they do answer the question in the draft it will likely mean another high draft pick on QB, which again should bring them criticism
“(GM) Ray (Farmer) and his team will go to work on that tonight or tomorrow,”
since that day they have watched the only starter they have had with a winning record since there comeback leave for Houston, seen johnny go into rehab, signed Josh McCown (1-10 last season) and signed Thad Lewis
It's reasonable to judge them on this, because they said they were working on it. I want someone to ask Haslam, Farmer. and the whole crew is this is what they came up with?
now it may be premature, they may answer the questions in the draft. But when you put it out there as a D1 of the off season priority, you have to expect people to judge you based on how well you do, and to this point they have not done so well
and if they do answer the question in the draft it will likely mean another high draft pick on QB, which again should bring them criticism
ghostguy123
Footballguy
This organization is a mess.
In other news, 2+2 is 4
In other news, 2+2 is 4
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
Its reasonable to judge them on signing a camp arm?
Last year at this time the only QBs we had on the roster were Brian Hoyer who was still coming off an ACL injury and no-one knew what he'd do or even if he'd come back completely healthy or even ready to start the season should he come back healthy.
The only other QB on the roster last year at this time?
Trick-shot artist ALEX FREACK'N TANNEY!
They then signed VY who didn't make it to training camp along with Thigpen. Then they made the big anticipated draft move for Johnny Manziel but then quietly signed Connor Shaw and don't forget they even signed REX GROSSMAN but cut him before the season started.
The problem I have is the local media is not presenting facts in a proper manner. They are stooping to yellow journalism. They are pandering. Put things into proper context and no one remembers all of the camp arms who we signed and cut last year and how they basically meant nothing.
The timing of signing a camp arm means nothing and it should be reported properly like, oh yeah we signed a camp arm today, no biggie. Why? Because its not a story to get worked up about and that is how fans should react to basically a non-story. We signed a camp arm, big deal.
B-Deep
Footballguy
one could argue all they have done is signed 2 more camp arms to go with the 2 they haveIts reasonable to judge them on signing a camp arm?
Last year at this time the only QBs we had on the roster were Brian Hoyer who was still coming off an ACL injury and no-one knew what he'd do or even if he'd come back completely healthy or even ready to start the season should he come back healthy.
The only other QB on the roster last year at this time?
Trick-shot artist ALEX FREACK'N TANNEY!
They then signed VY who didn't make it to training camp along with Thigpen. Then they made the big anticipated draft move for Johnny Manziel but then quietly signed Connor Shaw and don't forget they even signed REX GROSSMAN but cut him before the season started.
The problem I have is the local media is not presenting facts in a proper manner. They are stooping to yellow journalism. They are pandering. Put things into proper context and no one remembers all of the camp arms who we signed and cut last year and how they basically meant nothing.
The timing of signing a camp arm means nothing and it should be reported properly like, oh yeah we signed a camp arm today, no biggie. Why? Because its not a story to get worked up about and that is how fans should react to basically a non-story. We signed a camp arm, big deal.
and they have been planning this since game 16 ended?
call him a camp arm all you want, he could well be the backup, is he that much worse than Connor or Johnny? they've all won the same number of browns starts ... 0
it is not the Thad signing, it is the "plan" which right now seems to be sign a bunch of crap and hope johnny turns into a messiah
now again, they may blow all that away by making some big move in the draft....who knows
The Man With No Name
Footballguy
Colts cut Richardson
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
Doesn't take long for cynicism to get tiresome.one could argue all they have done is signed 2 more camp arms to go with the 2 they haveIts reasonable to judge them on signing a camp arm?
Last year at this time the only QBs we had on the roster were Brian Hoyer who was still coming off an ACL injury and no-one knew what he'd do or even if he'd come back completely healthy or even ready to start the season should he come back healthy.
The only other QB on the roster last year at this time?
Trick-shot artist ALEX FREACK'N TANNEY!
They then signed VY who didn't make it to training camp along with Thigpen. Then they made the big anticipated draft move for Johnny Manziel but then quietly signed Connor Shaw and don't forget they even signed REX GROSSMAN but cut him before the season started.
The problem I have is the local media is not presenting facts in a proper manner. They are stooping to yellow journalism. They are pandering. Put things into proper context and no one remembers all of the camp arms who we signed and cut last year and how they basically meant nothing.
The timing of signing a camp arm means nothing and it should be reported properly like, oh yeah we signed a camp arm today, no biggie. Why? Because its not a story to get worked up about and that is how fans should react to basically a non-story. We signed a camp arm, big deal.
and they have been planning this since game 16 ended?
call him a camp arm all you want, he could well be the backup, is he that much worse than Connor or Johnny? they've all won the same number of browns starts ... 0
it is not the Thad signing, it is the "plan" which right now seems to be sign a bunch of crap and hope johnny turns into a messiah
now again, they may blow all that away by making some big move in the draft....who knows
I do not think the plan is to only sign camp arms to make JFF look like the Messiah. I think they are just camp arm signings just like we've had every year.
I agree that their isn't much out there but I think they will make one other move at QB and it won't be a camp arm signing.
I'm hoping we don't sell the farm to move-up because I have serious concerns about both of the top QBs in this draft and would prefer we position ourselves to make a move next year and only take a mid-late round flyer but don't want to blow a 2nd or even a 3rd rounder on a QB. I'd be happy if/when some other older vet gets cut and going with two vets and a Johnny/Shaw combo over blowing picks this year.
amnesiac
beer is good
you guys are great at overreacting.
word was that Hoyer wanted to leave.
they grabbed the "best" FA QB they could.
outside of a trade, what else CAN they do right now?
seriously, what's this great plan you guys have for addressing QB at this moment?
you're acting like there's great QBs just lying around everywhere. they're not.
word was that Hoyer wanted to leave.
they grabbed the "best" FA QB they could.
outside of a trade, what else CAN they do right now?
seriously, what's this great plan you guys have for addressing QB at this moment?
you're acting like there's great QBs just lying around everywhere. they're not.
Bobcat10
Footballguy
Of course Hoyer didn't want to be here. All signs pointed to it, and possibly that it was also a mutual split, and now he's on record basically saying it after he signed in Hou.
He also bet on himself and got 2/10 (I think that's what it was). He's probably happy with that too, even if he did happen turn down more security and money from the Browns at some point along the line.
He also bet on himself and got 2/10 (I think that's what it was). He's probably happy with that too, even if he did happen turn down more security and money from the Browns at some point along the line.
The Man With No Name
Footballguy
Browns have re-signed Cameron - 2 years $15 million
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
Extremely pleased with that signing.Having a move-F TE in Flip's system is crucial and it puts to bed the stories about Cameron wanting out and it might shut some of the media up, oh for maybe a half a minute if that long.
EDIT: Nate Ulrich @NateUlrichABJ · 1m 1 minute ago
#Browns reportedly re-sign tight end Jordan Cameron for two years at $15 million: http://www.ohio.com/blogs/cleveland-browns/cleveland-browns-1.270107/browns-re-sign-tight-end-jordan-cameron-for-two-years-at-15-million-1.574177#.VQIOTWV7pcw.twitter … #NFL
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Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
Mark Skog @MarkSkog 7m7 minutes ago
Good call Tony. “@ESPNCleveland: Grossi: There is no way Jordan Cameron will come back to the #Browns.”
Good call Tony. “@ESPNCleveland: Grossi: There is no way Jordan Cameron will come back to the #Browns.”
skol asylum
Footballguy
Uggh...as a Cameron dynasty owner this sucks.
Captain Quinoa
Footballguy
you're great at completely missing the point.
But good for them for the Cameron signing. Treading water but that's an improvement for them.
amnesiac
beer is good
entirely possible. it's been a long day. i usually enjoy your posts, i'm just not understanding the melodramatic "slap in the face" talk.
The Man With No Name
Footballguy
Don't shoot the messenger. The report that Cameron re-signed was from Adam Schefter. Now it may not have and they didn't.
That sucks if true. He should have said agreed to terms instead of re-signed if that actually happened. Big difference
That sucks if true. He should have said agreed to terms instead of re-signed if that actually happened. Big difference
Captain Quinoa
Footballguy
Did Jordan Cameron just go Carlos Boozer on the Browns???
ghostguy123
Footballguy
Yep.
Cameron to Miami.
The reporting so far is just horrible on all accounts, for all teams and all players.
Cameron to Miami.
The reporting so far is just horrible on all accounts, for all teams and all players.
skol asylum
Footballguy
Better, i think. New Orleans would have been even better.
The Man With No Name
Footballguy
Mr. Brownstone
Footballguy
Wow.
Bobcat10
Footballguy
Not even close.
Dude's a hit or two away from his couch too. He probably did us a favor. Although two years isn't that much of a hook.
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
Seems the agent of Cameron used the media to leak the reports of the contract so he could leverage it to get Miami to offer that amount. Basically used the media to do his negotiations for him.
New tactic that the league is aware of and it has hurt some teams. We're just the latest.
http://deadspin.com/how-jordan-cameron-used-the-nfl-media-1691244256?utm_campaign=socialflow_deadspin_twitter&utm_source=deadspin_twitter&utm_medium=socialflow
New tactic that the league is aware of and it has hurt some teams. We're just the latest.
http://deadspin.com/how-jordan-cameron-used-the-nfl-media-1691244256?utm_campaign=socialflow_deadspin_twitter&utm_source=deadspin_twitter&utm_medium=socialflow
