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Bracie Smathers
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I don't think KC would ever trade Alex Smith within the division to a hated rival like Elway and Denver. I think Denver will do everything they can to land Kirk Cousins.
I just don't think we have a shot at Cousins since he makes the call where he goes and I just don't see him taking us over Denver or other options.
Alex Smith is going to cost picks plus his salary which is around $20 million and he's a free agent in a year so their is a lot to consider in giving up picks for him.
Jimmy G. went for a 2nd but he's much younger without the wear and tear.
I think our high 3rd or the low 2nd we'll get from Philly is the absolute highest I'd offer for Alex Smith.
I would go with Bradford if we can't get Alex Smith and try to woo Josh McCown into a coaching position if he doesn't get any bites in free agency.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
If the Jets plan is to draft a QB, I think they would certainly bring McCown back as a bridge/mentor.
beer 30
Footballguy
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Why not? You have 400 draft picks, give one for the QB that is going to transition you into a winning franchise again.
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
What do you think the Jets are going to do at QB? Who do you think they pick and who do you want?
Grahamburn
Footballguy
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Why not? You have 400 draft picks, give one for the QB that is going to transition you into a winning franchise again.
Yes, throwing away early picks is how you transition toward winning. Hell, KC might give Cleveland a 2nd to take Smith and his contract off their hands.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Honestly I have no idea what they are going to do. I hope that they get their QB through the draft (I like Rosen and Mayfield) but would be ok with Cousins and to a much lesser extent Bridgewater in free agancy.
I would only be ok with McCown coming back (or other journeyman type) if they draft a first round QB.
Bobcat10
Footballguy
Who knows, I think you're both kind of on the extremes....but stabilizing the QB room would go a long way towards winning.
I think one downfall of having 5 picks in the 1st 2 rounds is you could be more easily enticed to overpay. If KC holds firm on wanting the 2nd, the Browns just might end up doing it when it's all said and done. If the Browns are smart, they'd try to get some (future) draft capital back in some form for that scenario.
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
Passer Rating
- 1.Alex Smith • KAN104.7
- 2.Drew Brees • NOR103.9
- 3.Tom Brady • NWE102.8
- 4.Carson Wentz • PHI101.9
- 5.Jared Goff • LAR100.5
- 6.Matthew Stafford • DET99.3
- 7.Case Keenum • MIN98.3
- 8.Aaron Rodgers • GNB97.2
- 9.Philip Rivers • LAC96.0
- 10.Russell Wilson • SEA95.4
He had his best year ever last year and has been consistent. He would be the Browns best QB since the return. He would allow them to win if a few other pieces were put in place. He would provide time to groom a young QB.
The 2nd from Philly is only two picks from the Browns 3rd round pick so that is why I would go as high as that low 2nd round pick to attain Alex Smith but I think it would be paying too much to give up a high 2nd round pick for him because their will be 1st round values at the top of the 2nd round.
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
I agree in that I have no idea what the Jets will do but I am sure they really-really-REALLY want to get their QB in this draft and I think they are open to trading up to make sure they get their guy.
I like McCown but he is so brittle. Hue Jackson has already extended a coaching offer to him but I am sure that the Jets want him back.
beer 30
Footballguy
I'd give the 2nd and wouldn't bat an eye about it but I hear what you all are saying. If you think a 2nd is too high then hows about we lean on our shiny new GM to negotiate a better deal. I'm just tired of the fascination of CLE with draft picks and 'potential'. You have the draft capital to get a guy that buys you time just ####### do it already. Are you going to overpay? Probably but I kinda don't care, regardless of how deep the draft is. We have 7 picks in the top 108, I'm willing to sacrifice one to stabilize the most important position on the team that hasn't been stable since about Tim Couch.
Just my opinion. If we can spin a deal, get Smith and not give a 2nd so much the better. If that means paying Cousins, ok, not as big a fan of that but I'm not going to scream about it either.
Grahamburn
Footballguy
Law of diminishing returns. Buy low, sell high. Regression to the mean. Take your pick. I'm not saying don't try to acquire him, but if you're offering a 2nd I think you're in a bidding war against yourselves. Maybe it would be worth it if he signed an extension? Then use those two early picks on studs instead of a QB.Bracie Smathers said:
ghostguy123
Footballguy
Maybe. Maybe not. I am not saying I think this will happen, but I think it's possible Washington tags and trades Cousins. The question is, do they have another player they need to franchise tag to keep? If they do, then no chance they would tag and trade Cousins because they won't fetch much in trade at what his salary would be.Bracie Smathers said:
Maybe a team with oodles of cap space in 2018 (hey, thats us!!) would give up something to get Cousins here for 2018. If they do, they can TRY to work a long term deal. Maybe things go well and he wants to stay and re-signs next offseason.
Also no chance of this if we draft a QB in the top 4. Would not go over well most likely with Cousins who wouldnt give a damn about the rookie QB.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
I'm not sure if they will be able to pull that off - I believe because he was franchised tagged for the past two seasons he would get $35MM for 2018 if he signed the tender. Who is going to trade an asset to get one year at that rate - sure the new team could negotiate a long term deal with him but that long term deal would have to start with $35MM coming to him that first season or he'd just say he was playing under the tag.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
And I would be content with him playing one year under the tag. Then figure it out the following year. Happy to pay something for that. 4th?? Who knows what it would be.
It's incredibly unlikely but who knows.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
Sounds like we need to make provisions for left tackle rather soon.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
Was just watching more highlights of Mayfield. No, just does not look like an NFL QB to me. He's a happy feet little jumping bean who wasn't leading his WRs very well.
I suppose I could be wrong, but from what I have seen (which isnt a ton), that is what I see.
I suppose I could be wrong, but from what I have seen (which isnt a ton), that is what I see.
Soulfly3
Footballguy
ghostguy123
Footballguy
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
People (including my HS coach) often mis-apply the "happy feet" label.
Quarterbacks are taught to keep their feet moving in the pocket so that they can adjust their throws more easily. Guys like Mayfield do this.
The correct interpretation is where a guy senses pressure that isn't there and starts looking for a way to bail out of his progressions and exit the pocket with the intention of not getting hit. That is also different from a guy escaping a collapsing pocket and extending the play.
Quarterbacks are taught to keep their feet moving in the pocket so that they can adjust their throws more easily. Guys like Mayfield do this.
The correct interpretation is where a guy senses pressure that isn't there and starts looking for a way to bail out of his progressions and exit the pocket with the intention of not getting hit. That is also different from a guy escaping a collapsing pocket and extending the play.
beer 30
Footballguy
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I'd say that's a fair assessment. I'm not sure about a lot of things in life but seeing recent pics of him and then listening to his podcast, I just don't think there is any way he comes back. He needs to put on about 60lbs and his attitude on the podcast, while not negative, is certainly that of a guy who hates going through OTA's and pre-season prep. He just talks about how hard it is to continue to motivate yourself to keep doing it and every year it just gets worse because you're getting older.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
I think Joe plays THIS year. Beyond that is anyone's guess.
I sure wouldn't keep playing like he does with 50+ million in the bank. RAther be able to walk with 50 million than have to limp with 75
I sure wouldn't keep playing like he does with 50+ million in the bank. RAther be able to walk with 50 million than have to limp with 75
Peak
Footballguy
Smith's price is now public knowledge...
Per According to NFL Network, #Chiefs asking price for Alex Smith is a 2nd round pick and another future draft pick.
I would think either the 2.31 or the 3.1 would get this trade done, with maybe a 2019 4th or 5th tossed in (based on 2018 play). I would be fine with this move as it would bring in a solid QB for a rookie QB to learn under.
Per According to NFL Network, #Chiefs asking price for Alex Smith is a 2nd round pick and another future draft pick.
I would think either the 2.31 or the 3.1 would get this trade done, with maybe a 2019 4th or 5th tossed in (based on 2018 play). I would be fine with this move as it would bring in a solid QB for a rookie QB to learn under.
Hankmoody
Footballguy
That's a ridiculous price to pay if you're using him as a mentor only. Bring in McCown or someone that costs you 1/4 the money and no picks. 2nd/3rd round picks are core draft picks, you don't give that up for a bridge QB. If someone gives that up it's because he's their guy for the next 4 years and they will get an extension agreed upon before the trade.
MAC_32
Footballguy
It may be ridiculous from the buyer's perspective, but it isn't from the Chefs. They'll probably get a comp 3 for him if they just keep him and let him walk after 18, so it makes no sense to move him for any less than a 2 now.
Hankmoody
Footballguy
Comment was more toward people thinking the Browns should give it up then draft a rookie on top of that. It's perfectly reasonable from the Chiefs' perspective, and even from the Browns or any other buyer if they intend to roll with Smith as their QB. Paying a 2nd for a QB you can win a bunch of games with is an easy price to pay for a JAX or someone similar. It's a horrible price to use on a guy with a 1 year contract as a backup you can't possibly extend.
Owner and new GM publically stated they're going QB. Don't believe Rosen or Darnold worth #1 or #2 overall. I believe the Browns can get more value by trading for vet QB like A Smith, trading out of #1 with a QB hungry team picking up their #1 this year and next year then draft Barkely and J Allen. You instantly upgrade your QB and RB and have QB for the future...
Peak
Footballguy
Just because it's what they want doesn't mean it's what they'll get. With that said, Smith is a QB that can instantly come in and change this franchise at it's most important weakness. I wouldn't give up a high 2nd rounder, but the 2.31 would be the most I'd give up. Wouldn't be surprised if bidding started with a 3rd or 4th rnd and progressed to a conditional 2019 pick thrown in.
I don't see NYJ letting McCown walk, as they need a bridge QB as well. There aren't really any other "bridge" type QBs in FA that are worth bringing into this situation.
List of Pending 2018 FA QBs:
Drew Brees - wants to stay in NO, doubt they let him leave
Jimmy Garappolo - SF wants him to stay, doubt they let him leave
Kirk Cousins - has come out saying he'll play under another tag, doubt they let him leave
Case Keenum - career backup that had a good year; don't see him as a QB to "learn from"; most likely try to follow Shurmur to NYG
AJ McCarron - waiting on ruling, but could be brought in for Hue's sake; doesn't have much "starting time" - is he a bridge QB?
Teddy Bridgewater - still young enough to be a long-term option; not a bridge QB
Sam Bradford - he could be a bridge QB, but would he make it through an entire season? don't want a bridge QB that needs replaced after 8 wks
Josh McCown - don't see NYJ letting him leave yet
Geno Smith - Seriously?
Ryan Fitzpatrick - possible candidate; older than Alex Smith and not as polished
Matt Moore - Not a chance
Jay Cutler - will be out of football
Derek Anderson
Drew Stanton
Tom Savage
Chad Henne
Blaine Gabbert
E.J. Manuel
Mark Sanchez
Ryan Mallett
Joe Webb
Kellen Clemens
Austin Davis
Scott Tolzien
Taylor Heinicke (RFA)
Ryan Griffin
Tyler Bray
David Fales (RFA)
Chase Daniel
Brandon Weeden
I just don't see a lot of options out there. Many teams will be looking for a Bridge QB this offseason. Do you over pay for a bridge QB? I think I would rather trade for one I can control for a year giving me time to negotiate a possible extension, rather than get into a bidding war for a McCarron, Fitzpatrick, etc.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
Assuming we can't land any of the other available decent FA QBs, trading pick 63 for Smith would be a great move for a franchise that just went 1-31 and has become a complete AVOID for free agents.
However, the major problem with a move like that is Hue Jackson. He sucks, and will make Smith suck
However, the major problem with a move like that is Hue Jackson. He sucks, and will make Smith suck
Soulfly3
Footballguy
ghostguy123
Footballguy
No. Not if he is actually allowed to run HIS offense.
Lord knows what Hue will force him into.
Soulfly3
Footballguy
ghostguy123
Footballguy
I would agree. I just hope that those promises are kept.Soulfly3 said:
MAC_32
Footballguy
I'm sure Alex told them who he would consider signing with long term. When a team outside the conference was one of them and offered what they asked for then jump.
NutterButter
Footballguy
Its going to be really interesting to see what Cleveland. They have so many options at their disposable; 5 picks in the 1st 2 rounds and $110M in cap space. Jesus.
fruity pebbles
Footballguy
Reports out that the Browns were trying to get Smith but failed.
The Man With No Name
Footballguy
At this rate, Browns fans will need another shirt to list all the QBs they couldn't even get to play for them...
Riversco
Footballguy
DocHolliday
Footballguy
Peak
Footballguy
I read the same thing, but the source was MKC - so take it with a grain of salt. My guess is that they made an inquiry to see what KC's asking price was as a starting point. Asking and actually making an offer are two different things. Washington moved so quickly, I have to think that KC didn't wait to hear from any other offers. As @MAC_32 pointed out, a team outside of their conference made them an offer they couldn't refuse. You're able to trade the top QB this season to a team outside of your conference, and get them to pony up one of the top slot CB in the game with a 3rd rnd pick? Take the offer and run.
CLE has made some dumb decisions in the past, but no I way I see them trying to trump that trade scenario. Washington gave up too much, IMO. But they did so to ensure they got who they wanted, I guess.
Peak
Footballguy
Early FA News from NFLDraftBites...
I'd scratch Fuller off that list now. But grabbing one, if not two of those mentioned above would be a nice start to FA.
