Cleveland Browns (9 Viewers)

[amnesiac]

Pure gut feel but I think they want to make sure they get a full run at the coach they want. 

I think part of why Williams was chosen is there seems like very little chance he could get the non interim job. I think they don't want a situation where the interim guy gets hot and some momentum and then there's pressure to make him the permanent coach when instead they'd rather pick their guy. 

when they hired Haley i thought he would be auditioning for the job as interim coach when Hue was inevitably fired. 

as of now, i agree with your assessment.  

 

[amnesiac]

I'm leaning on 3 more wins this season...and thats being optimistic I think.  If the defense can step up and they tailor the offense to Baker's skillset, then I might switch Falcons and the other Bengals game.  So 5 wins is the best case scenario for me - but realistically probably 2-3 wins before the season is out.

3 road wins seems unlikely. 

 

[amnesiac]

Too much will change between now and Cincy to go beyond the next two games.  If Sunday goes well I like our chances against Atlanta though.  

hey, if we’re not going to wildly speculate on things that are going to happen two months from now, i’m not sure i understand the point of being on a magic football discussion board anymore.  

 

[Peak]

3 road wins seems unlikely. 

eh...flip the cincy game to the home version.

Plus...Mayfield is undefeated in prime time games this year!  The Denver game is equivalent to that, so therefore it's an automatic win, right?    

 

[Peak]

Let's just make Baker the official spokesman for the Browns.  Every time he speaks, he knows just what to say and his leadership skills shine brighter and brighter.

If Greg Williams = "Come Get Some!"

Baker Mayfield = "Bring it on!"

Baker Mayfield on leading Browns through midseason upheaval: 'Bring it on'

"With all the distractions, we will see what kind of men we have in this room -- not what kind of team that we have but what kind of men can handle a distraction the right way -- can come together and focus on doing their job and doing it at a high level against a great team [the Kansas City Chiefs] come Sunday," Mayfield said.

Mayfield called the sudden changes his "welcome to the business moment."

"For me, it is definitely something new," he said. "It caught me off guard, but [we] have to roll with the punches. Whatever happens, happens. We have to stick together as a team. We have to use this as something to make us come together. Obviously, it could be a huge distraction or it could be something that could bring this locker room even closer."

 

[MAC_32]

Pure gut feel but I think they want to make sure they get a full run at the coach they want. 

I think part of why Williams was chosen is there seems like very little chance he could get the real job. I think they don't want a situation where the interim guy gets hot and some momentum and then there's public pressure to make him the permanent coach. In other words, they don't want an Ed Orgeron at USC thing. When instead they'd rather pick their guy. But that's purely my guessing. 

What you described is why I thought Saunders would be perfect.  But perhaps he said he doesn't want the job.  May explain some of the leaks between noon and two then how the story changed before it became official later in the afternoon.  Ultimately I think you're right though.

 

[Joe Bryant]

What you described is why I thought Saunders would be perfect.  But perhaps he said he doesn't want the job.  May explain some of the leaks between noon and two then how the story changed before it became official later in the afternoon.  Ultimately I think you're right though.

That was my thought too. Saunders would be a similar "keep the seat warm" choice. All good. 

I know every NFL head coach job is a dream job but this job got significantly better after Mayfield answered the question of is he the guy. 

I don't know if that's how the Browns intended to play it but I think that's the result. 

This team could be Rams East for the right coach. Can you imagine the buzz if Cleveland was as good as the Rams? It'd be off the charts. Way more than the buzz is for Los Angeles. So pulling for these guys.

 

[beer 30]

here's how i imagine it went down:

Dorsey:  "The inmates aren't going to run the asylum anymore."

Haslam:  "Prove it."

Dorsey:  "Hold my beer."

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DqtIabeXQAMT90t.jpg:large

2 wins and 2 ties.  Don't forget about the ties.  We like the overtime.

That would mean the Browns would own the record for most OT games in a season

 

[beer 30]

This team could be Rams East for the right coach. Can you imagine the buzz if Cleveland was as good as the Rams? It'd be off the charts. Way more than the buzz is for Los Angeles. So pulling for these guys.

Now that @MAC_32 said it, makes perfect sense. Saunders was offered the job and turned it down, had to of.

As for the bolded, they would need a couple of WR's stat to be considered Rams Light but I get where you are going. The bandwagon has had a lot of room on it the last few years. It will fill up quick when the Browns start winning.

 

[amnesiac]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DqtIabeXQAMT90t.jpg:large

That would mean the Browns would own the record for most OT games in a season

get out, Todd.  

 

[Tecumseh]

Nope, you're exactly right on Gordon. 

For my part, add that I'm disappointed we let Pryor get away. Again.

 

[ghostguy123]

Very unlikely but I think if he goes .500 he would/should be offered the head coach position.

Eww, god no.  If you think he should, fine.  I sure don't, and as I said, I guarantee you Dorsey doesn't either.  

You really think he wants to go two full years with incumbent trash before going after his own coach?  

 

[daveR]

Eww, god no.  If you think he should, fine.  I sure don't, and as I said, I guarantee you Dorsey doesn't either.  

You really think he wants to go two full years with incumbent trash before going after his own coach?  

It's my understanding that the organizational structure isn't changing.  That means the GM will remain alongside of the coach on the chart (ie. he does not have the power to choose a coach).  

 

[ghostguy123]

It's my understanding that the organizational structure isn't changing.  That means the GM will remain alongside of the coach on the chart (ie. he does not have the power to choose a coach).  

Cool, more infighting 

 

[Joe Bryant]

It's my understanding that the organizational structure isn't changing.  That means the GM will remain alongside of the coach on the chart (ie. he does not have the power to choose a coach).  

Thanks @daveR  How are you getting this understanding? 

 

[amnesiac]

Thanks @daveR  How are you getting this understanding? 

that is a great question.  

 

[daveR]

that is a great question.  

It was discussed by Rizzo & Grossi (on the radio) yesterday.  Apparently, Haslam implied as much.

 

[Joe Bryant]

that is a great question.  

And for sure, I don't mean that to be snarky. I always like to understand why people think what they think. 

 

[Joe Bryant]

It was discussed by Rizzo & Grossi (on the radio) yesterday.  Apparently, Haslam implied as much.

Thanks. Was this something from a press conference with Haslam? If so, those quotes will all be online somewhere. Or something different?

Basically, how did Rizzo and Grossi arrive at this conclusion?

 

[daveR]

Thanks. Was this something from a press conference with Haslam? If so, those quotes will all be online somewhere. Or something different?

Basically, how did Rizzo and Grossi arrive at this conclusion?

I remember them saying that both the coach and the GM will continue to report directly to Haslam.  I seem to recall that this came from Haslam himself.  Sorry, I don't remember the exact quote.  I'm pretty sure it came in a presser after the firings, probably in Q & A.  

 

[Joe Bryant]

https://www.clevelandbrowns.com/news/browns-owner-jimmy-haslam-gm-john-dorsey-press-conference-10-29
 

On if Williams now reports to Haslam as Jackson did:

Haslam: “He does. There is no change there, but John, formally Hue and myself worked extremely close together, and I dare say Hue was in John’s office more than he was in mine and I suspect Gregg will be the same. The three of us work together. Hue, John and I worked together well, and I would expect the same with Gregg."

On if Haslam will consider having the future head coach report to Dorsey:

Haslam: “I think I have said very clearly that our focus is on the last eight games, winning as many of those as we can and helping Gregg anyway that we can. At the end of the year, depending on what happens, we will evaluate everything.”

If this is where they're getting things, I wouldn't read much at all into it. 

Haslam is a hands-on owner. He makes no apologies there for that and I fully get it. 

 

[thecardiackid]

https://www.clevelandbrowns.com/news/browns-owner-jimmy-haslam-gm-john-dorsey-press-conference-10-29
 

If this is where they're getting things, I wouldn't read much at all into it. 

Haslam is a hands-on owner. He makes no apologies there for that and I fully get it. 

Meh.  Haslam's track record making hiring decisions & driving "his bus" is beyond abysmal.

Note that chart above w/ the recent coaching winning percentages.  I have NO confidence in Haslam NFL / football wise, not to mention his FBI investigation, etc.  He may be good at running gas stations, but how he doesn't look in the mirror and say "maybe I should let some real footballguys ;o) get us back on track?" is beyond me.   

When he does finally get it remains to be seen.   The rub here is another bad hire sets the team back at least 2 if not 3 years to recover from.  Trust us, we know.

I don't know of another NFL org that has both the HC and GM reporting separately to the owner (maybe i'm wrong).  He needs to step out of the way, give Dorsey total control - if he wants to turn this around.   IMO the GM needs to be the HC's boss, not peer, especially if we want to get rid of all the BS going on w/ the staff. 

It would have been interesting if Williams was HC, but Haley was still there calling plays.  Could have been like Ditka & Buddy Ryan

 

[Arodin]

Cross-Posting with the other Hue/Haley thread...

20 years of dysfunction.....

Name Term[N 2] G W L T W% Notes GM Owners
Chris Palmer 1999–2000 32 5 27 0 0.156 Dwight Clark Al Lerner
Butch Davis 2001–2004 58 24 34 0 0.414 Hired by Owner to be HC/GM Butch Davis (2002) Al Lerner, Randy Lerner (2002)
Terry Robiskie 2004 6 1 5 0 0.167 Interim Coach after Butch quit No GM Randy Lerner
Romeo Crennel 2005–2008 64 24 40 0 0.375 Selected by Owner Phil Savage (2005) Randy Lerner
Eric Mangini 2009–2010 32 10 22 0 0.313 Hired by Owner, GM was picked by HC George Kokinis (2009), Tom Heckert (2010) Randy Lerner
Pat Shurmur 2011–2012 32 9 23 0 0.281 Hired by President of Football Ops (Holmgren) Tom Heckert Randy Lerner, Jimmy Haslam (2012)
Rob Chudzinski 2013 16 4 12 0 0.25 Hired by President of Football Ops (Banner) Michael Lombardi Jimmy Haslam
Mike Pettine 2014–2015 32 10 22 0 0.313 Forced onto Farmer by Owner Ray Farmer Jimmy Haslam
Hue Jackson 2016–2018 35 3 36 1 0.088 Hue forced onto both GMs Sashi Brown(2016), John Dorsey Jimmy Haslam


 

Update - Found this on Twitter which goes into a little more detail than I did above....Don't open unless you want to smash your PC in an "OfficeSpace" type montage.  Chart of Sadness

I’m just amazed that we can craft the sentence “Butch Davis was the greatest                  of all time” and actually have something we can insert in that blank!

 

[Joe Bryant]

Meh.  Haslam's track record making hiring decisions & driving "his bus" is beyond abysmal.

Note that chart above w/ the recent coaching winning percentages.  I have NO confidence in Haslam NFL / football wise, not to mention his FBI investigation, etc.  He may be good at running gas stations, but how he doesn't look in the mirror and say "maybe I should let some real footballguys ;o) get us back on track?" is beyond me.   

When he does finally get it remains to be seen.   The rub here is another bad hire sets the team back at least 2 if not 3 years to recover from.  Trust us, we know.

I don't know of another NFL org that has both the HC and GM reporting separately to the owner (maybe i'm wrong).  He needs to step out of the way, give Dorsey total control - if he wants to turn this around.   IMO the GM needs to be the HC's boss, not peer, especially if we want to get rid of all the BS going on w/ the staff. 

It would have been interesting if Williams was HC, but Haley was still there calling plays.  Could have been like Ditka & Buddy Ryan

I don't put much stock on an official "org chart". I think what you have is an owner very much involved. And one who's been wildly successful in a tough business. I do think Dorsey's a big plus here and I do hope he continues to increase his influence. Should be interesting to see. I'll be pretty surprised if they don't land an excellent coach for 2019.

Will you guys?

 

[thecardiackid]

I don't put much stock on an official "org chart". I think what you have is an owner very much involved. And one who's been wildly successful in a tough business. I do think Dorsey's a big plus here and I do hope he continues to increase his influence. Should be interesting to see. I'll be pretty surprised if they don't land an excellent coach for 2019.

Will you guys?

The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over, and expecting different results, right?  Anyone know how much Haslam is currently paying the former HCs he's fired??  Has to be 10s of millions?  That isn't lesson enough?

I can't think of any other NFL team where the HC is reporting directly to the owner along with the GM, aside from NE where hoody is both HC and GM, and maybe whatever JJ does in DAL.  Does Tomlin have regular meetings with the Rooneys?  Is Andy Reid reporting to the Hunts?   Lets just say I'd rather emulate successful organizations vs. letting Jimmy play with his somewhat new toy.  But it is his toy.

Owner > GM > HC > OC/DC > assistants, etc.  Just my opinion, but the most recent coaching crap storm was enabled by a poor org structure.  Jimmy hires Dorsey.  Good.  Dorsey forces Haley on Hue and gives him full power over the O, hence the conflicts.  Is there another HC in the NFL who can't control his own OC??  Hue was a dead man walking from the get go. 

Look at what doresy built and left in KC...  Just let the guy do his job.  He's better at it than the over involved owner with a horrible history of making NFL decisions.

 

[ghostguy123]

The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over, and expecting different results, right?  

No

 

[Joe Bryant]

The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over, and expecting different results, right?  Anyone know how much Haslam is currently paying the former HCs he's fired??  Has to be 10s of millions?  That isn't lesson enough?

I can't think of any other NFL team where the HC is reporting directly to the owner along with the GM, aside from NE where hoody is both HC and GM, and maybe whatever JJ does in DAL.  Does Tomlin have regular meetings with the Rooneys?  Is Andy Reid reporting to the Hunts?   Lets just say I'd rather emulate successful organizations vs. letting Jimmy play with his somewhat new toy.  But it is his toy.

Owner > GM > HC > OC/DC > assistants, etc.  Just my opinion, but the most recent coaching crap storm was enabled by a poor org structure.  Jimmy hires Dorsey.  Good.  Dorsey forces Haley on Hue and gives him full power over the O, hence the conflicts.  Is there another HC in the NFL who can't control his own OC??  Hue was a dead man walking from the get go. 

Look at what doresy built and left in KC...  Just let the guy do his job.  He's better at it than the over involved owner with a horrible history of making NFL decisions.

I'd be shocked if Haslam isn't already yeilding a ton of this with Dorsey. I know it's fun to mock the "good at running gas stations" thing. Reality is he's wildly successful with a huge business in a tough industry. He's super smart. I don't think Dorsey would be there if he didn't have significant influence. I don't pretend to know how much influence every owner has with their team. I'd say it's like a lot of things and every line isn't a bright line and there's a good bit of using one's head as decisions are made and responsibilities are shared. We'll see.

@thecardiackid - On a scale of 1 (Terrible Hire) to 10 (Great Hire) what's your guess right now on what you'll think of the new hire whenever it's announced?

 

[Joe Bryant]

For Jackson, he may have been the only coach without control of his OC. He was the only head coach that's 1-31.

At 1-31, you're playing with house money and need to be happy to still be there.

 

[amnesiac]

imo, Dorsey has been gaining more power within the organization every day, and i would be shocked if he doesn’t have a huge say in hiring the next HC.  

 

[Joe Bryant]

imo, Dorsey has been gaining more power within the organization every day, and i would be shocked if he doesn’t have a huge say in hiring the next HC.  

Agree 100%.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

For Jackson, he may have been the only coach without control of his OC. He was the only head coach that's 1-31.

At 1-31, you're playing with house money and need to be happy to still be there.

Seriously, the discord killed him. They were obviously willing to stick with him for stability’s sake.

 

[ghostguy123]

imo, Dorsey has been gaining more power within the organization every day, and i would be shocked if he doesn’t have a huge say in hiring the next HC.  

Good god I hope so.  Haslam is a doofus

 

[Dr. Octopus]

I can't think of any other NFL team where the HC is reporting directly to the owner along with the GM,

The Jets - which probably says a lot about both franchises and owners.

 

[beer 30]

I don't put much stock on an official "org chart". I think what you have is an owner very much involved. And one who's been wildly successful in a tough business. I do think Dorsey's a big plus here and I do hope he continues to increase his influence. Should be interesting to see. I'll be pretty surprised if they don't land an excellent coach for 2019.

Will you guys?

I think they are setting themselves up to land a good coach yes. What I don't like is what @daveR & eluded to above, that coach reporting to Haslam rather than Dorsey. Haslam has proven to be a bad evaluator of talent and seems to, I don't have proof but seems to, meddle too much in day-to-day operations. I get it, you scratch a check for a billion, you are going to have input but it hasn't been helpful and arguably it's been destructive to the growth of the team. I trust in Dorsey, seed him the power, sit back and watch your team transform into a winner. The building blocks are there and as we discussed yesterday, a major piece in Mayfield is in place.

I would sleep much better at night if Jimmy comes out at some point and says, "all football operations run through and report to John Dorsey and John reports to me."

 

[Peak]

Now that @MAC_32 said it, makes perfect sense. Saunders was offered the job and turned it down, had to of.

Based on the dysfunction within the team, I don't think Saunders was truly in the running.  There was a tweet from Albert Breer between the firings and the team meeting on Monday

Breer:

I’m told Jackson, for his part, grew frustrated that Haley just seemed to do his own thing. The distrust that grew from this ran so deep that senior offensive assistant Al Saunders (who worked on projects for Haley) was seen in some corners of the building as Jackson’s spy.

As petty and childish as that may be, if that is coming from someone within the organization and the locker rooms, then I could understand why Saunders wasn't named the interim HC.  I think, as you and many others did, Saunders would've made sense - but he was viewed as Hue's guy.  I have to think that Dorsey wanted to eliminate the chatter by clipping both Hue and Haley.  If Saunders is truly viewed as Hue's Guy/Spy, then putting him in the Interim HC role would've perpetuated this dysfunction longer as it would appear that Hue never left. 

Williams wasn't affiliated with either Hue or Haley, so he would be the logical choice.  Also the fact that the Defense seems to really respect him and plays hard for him every game.  The Defense is also the only unit that has been performing in a positive, consistent manner throughout all of this dysfunction.  If Williams can drive the Offense to perform half as well as the Defense, then it will be a step in the right direction.

I'm not sure Saunders turned it down, moreso than he was never formally asked to take on the role.  I think Donovan jumped the gun with an assumption and tried to backtrack the comment after it made the rounds.  No one in the media carried a second source on the Saunders nomination.  Many only perpetuated Donovan's original tweet, but not his backtrack.  

Irregardless, what's done is done, and I think Williams will get more out of this team for the rest of the season than Saunders would have - so a fine choice IMO.

 

[Peak]

First take on practice today relayed from Ogunjobi thru Klemko...

.@RobertKlemko on @BullandFox last hour: “Larry Ogunjobi told me ‘I saw guys really caring yesterday and today for the first time. Things changed yesterday and today’” #Browns

Makes you realize that some of the players were impacted by the coaching dysfunctions.  Goes back to the adage that you're willing to work harder for someone you like vs someone you don't.  If guys were starting to care during practice this week, then just maybe they'll play a little better come Sunday.  I'm hoping we'll see a team more like the one we saw during the 2nd half of the Jets game than what we saw last week.  

 

[lod001]

Lets see if the OC learned anything watching Haley fail to recognize Pitt bringing the house at Mayfield and failing to throw dump off passes to the RBs. sure hope so. It was painful watching the ineptness of haley.

 

[mr fancypants]

Hue in post firing interview with MKC

https://www.cleveland.com/expo/sports/erry-2018/11/46d71264712223/exclusive-interview-with-hue-j.html

 

[amnesiac]

Hue in post firing interview with MKC

https://www.cleveland.com/expo/sports/erry-2018/11/46d71264712223/exclusive-interview-with-hue-j.html

i got about half way through and had to stop reading. 

on the surface he sounds respectful, but wow is that a lot of excuses and throwing everyone else under the bus.  

 

[DallasDMac]

Remember after the draft how this thread actually was about football ON the field? Didn't take long to be right back to discussing organizational dysfunction.

 

[DallasDMac]

It's probably buried in here somewhere but I missed it. Who is calling plays now?

 

[Bobcat10]

It's probably buried in here somewhere but I missed it. Who is calling plays now?

Freddie Kitchens

 

[DallasDMac]

Freddie Kitchens

Sounds like the name from an SNL skit. Like Davis Pumpkins.

 

[amnesiac]

Sounds like the name from an SNL skit. Like Davis Pumpkins.

“Heeeeyyyyyy!!!! It’s Freddie Kitchens!!!! 1st and goal?  Let’s run a flea-flicker!!!!”

 

[Bobcat10]

i got about half way through and had to stop reading. 

on the surface he sounds respectful, but wow is that a lot of excuses and throwing everyone else under the bus.  

He is def a “me” first guy.

Also lol at MKC getting this sit down at his house. 

Where is the Haley-MKC interview? I’d like to see him watch and respond to Hue telling MKC that he tried to get Haley fired (by Jimmy) to save his own ###.

It’s funny how he loves to say HE hired Haley, but end of day he couldn’t fire him.

 

[MAC_32]

What channel and when? I could use one last hurrah. 

I’m not surprised at all by his immediate post firing blitzkrieg. 

First take. I know, shocking.

 

[Random]

Eww, god no.  If you think he should, fine.  I sure don't, and as I said, I guarantee you Dorsey doesn't either.  

You really think he wants to go two full years with incumbent trash before going after his own coach?  

For me it came down to one moment with Hue.  On Hard Knocks when he was sitting in front of his entire staff and wouldn't listen to what they had to say.  He was done for me at that moment.  

I kinda think maybe Haley took one for the team being part of this latest dysfunction.  

 

[Peak]

What channel and when? I could use one last hurrah. 

I’m not surprised at all by his immediate post firing blitzkrieg. 

Supposedly, Hue is making his post-firing ESPN circuit all day today.  

I'm not surprised by the article, only that it took a few days for it to come out.  I thought for sure Hue would want to share his story within 24hrs of his removal.  The backlash of this "exclusive interview" has been both eye-opening and funny.  People have been digging out old Silver and MKC tweets from the drafts where Hue was on record saying the complete opposite of what he said in his interview yesterday.  Other sports reports are sharing their own views and conversations with Hue and these also contradict everything that Hue is trying to paint with MKC.  He is burying himself deep in caca and will not be able to get out - and I think he finally took MKC down with her.  She is getting hit just as hard for being his mouth piece and not really asking tougher questions.  It's a shame, but I'm hoping people such as @daveR can finally see the kind of coach we had here in Hue and agree that he needed to go.  His narcisstic attitude and uncanny ability of throwing people under the bus has helped set this team back.  I can't be any happier knowing he's gone and won't be making any more decisions or guiding any of the younger players.  Let's get a real coach in here and make something special happen.

 

[beer 30]

He is def a “me” first guy.

Also lol at MKC getting this sit down at his house. 

Where is the Haley-MKC interview? I’d like to see him watch and respond to Hue telling MKC that he tried to get Haley fired (by Jimmy) to save his own ###.

It’s funny how he loves to say HE hired Haley, but end of day he couldn’t fire him.

You've been around long enough to know MKC was/is Hue's shill. I'm kinda shocked she doesn't stay in the guest house.

For anyone new to the thread because I know we have some drive-by's this week, this interview and what you will hear today is classic Hue Jackson. In a very respectful way he takes everyone around him, pats them on the back, comments on how nice they look, maybe asks them how the family is doing and then as politely as possible pushes them in front of the oncoming bus, walks away and tells everyone watching they tripped.

 

[Peak]

For documentation's sake....

Doug L article posted 10/29 - "Hue Jackson fired by the Browns, and no coach ever deserved it more"

Note the following statement:

Note this now, because soon enough Jackson will find a friendly writer and his take on what went wrong in Cleveland will come out. With Jackson, it always does.

He'll take direct shots at the front office, the media and parts of the roster. He'll take veiled shots at ownership and maybe even the fans. He'll claim no coach could have done any better than 3-36-1 with what he was handed, just like he declared no coach could have avoided 1-31.

Here's the pre-emptive response:

Anyone could have done better.

Fast forward a couple of days and we get exactly what Doug L called out two days earlier from Mary Kay Cabot (Hue's Media spokesperson in CLE)...

Exclusive interview with Hue Jackson: 'I know I would've turned our offense around'

Since the release of MKC's article above, the backlash has been tremendous.  More CLE beat writers have come out to bash Hue and set the record straight.  Social Media is ripping Hue and his article in every direction.  Some of his past players are going on NFL Network and talking about how Hue's behavior.  It's not a pretty look, and now Hue is running the self-promotion circuit on ESPN all day.  I expect today to be non stop Hue on social media.  

Good Morning Football reacting to Hue's "blame-filled" interview

CBS Sports: Hue Jackson blames everyone else for Browns failures, claims he wanted Wentz at #2

Hue Jackson's disturbing alternative history justifies his firing

Deadspin: If only the Browns had listened more to Hue Jackson

Browns fans confidence rises after firing of Hue Jackson...

Broo View: Hue Jackson needs to keep his distance from Cincinnati - Amazing that after Hue's firing, even the Cincinnati media and fanbase has come out and made requests of the team to not bring Hue back in any capacity.  Hue was being groomed as Marvin Lewis' successor before he took the HC job in CLE.  Now they don't want him after watching what happened in CLE.

Allbright: Coaches who have worked with him call him "You Jackson" ...because 'its always your fault, never his.'

Aditi Kinkhabwala:  "Want to know what scorched earth sounds like?" (and then some)

This is only what I read before 9am.  Can't wait to see what comes out after he starts his morning media circus trip today on ESPiN