The "Could LeBron James Be A Star NFL Tight End?" stuff seems like "Could LSU beat the Cincinnati Bengals?" What do you think? Finish this sentence. LeBron James as an NFL TE would be...
hahaha... ya think???He probably made the correct choice going with basketball. I have always wondered how many dual sport athletes made the wrong choice though, where they would have been a star if they went with sport A, but they went with B and were a forgettable mediocre to below average player.
Some would say there are no athletes on par with James. Pretty special athlete in terms of his height/strength/explosiveness combo.Athletes on par with James have tried and failed.
Fine... his BMI currently is 26.8 at 250lbs... the best recieving total at that size from 1990 is Evan Moore at 324 yds. If I bump him up to 265 and about 28.5 BMI the best player is Wesley Walls. How much athleticism is lost getting his body composition up to football par of a Jimmy Graham (6’7 265, 29.9BMI) or Antonio Gates (6’4 255, 31 BMI)? Unless he dedicated his career to football he stood little chance of coming over from the NBA and surviving. Even if he had, I have serious doubts he would have been anything more than an average player.Too tall to catch touchdown passes
All this tells me is that not a lot of guys are James’ height. Since there is no definition as to how or when he would become an NFL TE, I suggested him starting at college age like Gates did. James played very well as a WR in high school. If he went to college and played TE and then went to the NFL, I think he would have done fine. If it was 10 years in the NBA first, then probably not so much.Fine... his BMI currently is 26.8 at 250lbs... the best recieving total at that size from 1990 is Evan Moore at 324 yds. If I bump him up to 265 and about 28.5 BMI the best player is Wesley Walls. How much athleticism is lost getting his body composition up to football par of a Jimmy Graham (6’7 265, 29.9BMI) or Antonio Gates (6’4 255, 31 BMI)? Unless he dedicated his career to football he stood little chance of coming over from the NBA and surviving. Even if he had, I have serious doubts he would have been anything more than an average player.
...about like Rob Gronkowski trying to play in the NBA.The "Could LeBron James Be A Star NFL Tight End?" stuff seems like "Could LSU beat the Cincinnati Bengals?" What do you think? Finish this sentence. LeBron James as an NFL TE would be...
You and all the people advocating his eliteness completely ignore the size issue. It is a deal. I think, the very, very best comp he could get if his athleticism was all world, would be Mike Gesicki who I’ve had respectable people tell me flat out sucks.All this tells me is that not a lot of guys are James’ height. Since there is no definition as to how or when he would become an NFL TE, I suggested him starting at college age like Gates did. James played very well as a WR in high school. If he went to college and played TE and then went to the NFL, I think he would have done fine. If it was 10 years in the NBA first, then probably not so much.
there is no "if". James has "all world" athleticism. I don't believe that is debatable.You and all the people advocating his eliteness completely ignore the size issue. It is a deal. I think, the very, very best comp he could get if his athleticism was all world, would be Mike Gesicki who I’ve had respectable people tell me flat out sucks.
Does he at 265 - 270lbs?there is no "if". James has "all world" athleticism. I don't believe that is debatable.
To make sure I understand - you’re saying Lebron James would have been a superstar TE and good defensive end?Yes a superstar TE, WR and quite possibly could have easily been a fearsome 4-3 end.
You can discuss it and have an opinion without having to be “out of here“.Brock Lesnar won a D1 national championship and transitioned to dominating MMA at 30 years old but couldn’t crack an NFL practice squad. Ya... anyone who is a superstar can just do it. I’m out of here. The people arguing his superiority in hypothetical land have nothing to back it up. He’s not similar physically to Jimmy Graham or Antonio Gates... he is a complete physical outlier and would have to completely change his body composition to play in the NFL.
I don’t think James could’ve made it either. But the Antonio Gates comparison is completely fair. The elite athlete who never played in college and was not just good but Hall of Fame in the NFL is absolutely something to consider.Athletes on par with James have tried and failed. I can’t recall a 6’9 TE that’s succeeded in the NFL. Silly hypothetical and even more silly that people think it’s automatic he would be a successful NFL player. It’s a sport that mostly demands years of time to achieve perfection. Brock Lesner, Christian Wade, James Jett, Jarryd Hayne, Jeff Demps, Nate Ebner.... to just pull Antonio Gates out is preposterous.
okYou can discuss it and have an opinion without having to be “out of here“.
Well I phrase it was superstar TE OR superstar defensive end, not both.To make sure I understand - you’re saying Lebron James would have been a superstar TE and good defensive end?
I just think it’s ludicrous to give him a hall pass to NFL greatness. The list of players I mentioned earlier were some at the top of their sport in wrestling, sprinting and rugby. Just because they don’t get the press that the NBA does doesn’t subtract from their athletic legitimacy and dominance in their own respective sport. No way does anyone, including Lebron James, show up to an NFL team undersized and with limited experience and excel automatically. Especially the suggestion of HOF.I don’t think James could’ve made it either. But the Antonio Gates comparison is completely fair. The elite athlete who never played in college and was not just good but Hall of Fame in the NFL is absolutely something to consider.
I personally just don’t think James has the mental make up to succeed in football. It takes a special mentality to be able to deal with the physicality.
I’m talking about Antonio Gates for the Hall of Fame.I just think it’s ludicrous to give him a hall pass to NFL greatness. The list of players I mentioned earlier were some at the top of their sport in wrestling, sprinting and rugby. Just because they don’t get the press that the NBA does doesn’t subtract from their athletic legitimacy and dominance in their own respective sport. No way does anyone, including Lebron James, show up to an NFL team undersized and with limited experience and excel automatically. Especially the suggestion of HOF.
I think it's silly to believe that 16 year olds choose basketball over football or vice versa because they think it's a better business decision and better on their body.If you are an elite athlete at 6'8" or taller, there's a pretty good chance that you can make more money and have a longer career playing basketball than you could playing football. People like Tony Gonzalez, Julius Peppers, Jimmy Graham, and Antonio Gates had to choose football because they were not good enough to play in the NBA at their relatively low height. Then consider some of the actual elite 6'7"-6'8" athletes that ARE good enough to play basketball in the NBA like David West, Serge Ibaka, Aaron Gordon, Blake Griffin, etc. I have to believe some of those guys could have been really good football players if the incentive were there for them, but it isn't. Why destroy your body playing football for a few years when you can play 10+ years of hoops in the NBA and make a lot more money?
This is where the "there's never been an elite TE over X height" argument falls apart for me. All the guys who have the potential to do it are probably in the NBA. The only reason we ever got Jimmy Graham, Gates, Gonzo, etc. is because they weren't good enough basketball prospects to make it in that sport.
I agree 100%Well I phrase it was superstar TE OR superstar defensive end, not both.
But yes I believe he could have one of those things if he was inclined.
Also stands to reason if he were an NFL player he’d bulk up differently.How in the heck is LeBron undersized? You can't go strictly by BMI of his listed height and weight, as if it were the be-all end-all of athletic success variables. He's at least 250. That's listed. Take a look at him. He looks more like two-eighty. He's huge.
I was concerned he'd be like Ed "Too Tall" Jones, too, but I'm willing to overlook a bit in favor of the fact that he's an athletic freak that can run point at 6'9" in the NBA if he wants to.We don't even know how his body would be taking hits. He's so tall that guys could hit him mid hair when he goes to catch a pass and who knows how he would take that. He would be the 3rd tallest player in NFL history at ANY position. I think there's a reason super tall guys like this aren't in the league.
I voted average to good but the more I think of it, I think he would make it but not be dominant at all.. maybe just average.
My argument is a bit out there. I think that if he had trained for a full calendar year, he could play. Maybe not anymore. But in his prime he could have.Also stands to reason if he were an NFL player he’d bulk up differently.
people so often underestimate NBA endurance. These guys are running (average) like 2 miles a game. A player like James who’s on the court for so many minutes closer to 3+
gotta assume that keeps some weight off.
He is far from huge, especially talking about NFL TE. It’s one of, if not, the most brutal position on the field. His body composition is closest, as stated previously, to Mike Gesicki. Who people have explicitly called small for a TE and someone who does not play inline. What you are doing is the hall pass argument I’m talking about.How in the heck is LeBron undersized? You can't go strictly by BMI of his listed height and weight, as if it were the be-all end-all of athletic success variables. He's at least 250. That's listed. Take a look at him. He looks more like two-eighty. He's huge.
Ya I do still think he would make it. But again, we don't know how he'd be if he took hits. Maybe he'd be one of those guys who got knocked around pretty easily, or took a bone crushing hit and didn't get up from it. We have NO idea how 'tough' Lebron's body is. Basketball tough an Football tough are very different things. I think there's close to a 50% chance that his body/pain tolerance/personal feelings on getting hit so much/etc would not withstand an NFL season.I was concerned he'd be like Ed "Too Tall" Jones, too, but I'm willing to overlook a bit in favor of the fact that he's an athletic freak that can run point at 6'9" in the NBA if he wants to.
not like basketball isn’t a contact sport. And hitting the hardwood is less forgiving than hitting a person, but it’s true. He’s not getting tackled.We don't even know how his body would be taking hits.
I mean, his hairline is receding quite a bit, butHe's so tall that guys could hit him mid hair
I think some of that is more “tall guys play basketball”, but of course you could be right. Didn’t seem to hurt Gates too much.when he goes to catch a pass and who knows how he would take that. He would be the 3rd tallest player in NFL history at ANY position. I think there's a reason super tall guys like this aren't in the league.
I voted average to good but the more I think of it, I think he would make it but not be dominant at all.. maybe just average.
We're talking about a sporting position that people have walked right off the basketball court and on to. Numerous times. It's hardly a novel hall pass or speculation to give as random chance. Dude is beyond a world, world-class athlete. He might be the best athlete America has produced in twenty years. It's not like stepping off the football field and on to the track, it's a transition that takes slight bulk and a little mental acuity to pull off.He is far from huge, especially talking about NFL TE. It’s one of, if not, the most brutal position on the field. His body composition is closest, as stated previously, to Mike Gesicki. Who people have explicitly called small for a TE and someone who does not play inline. What you are doing is the hall pass argument I’m talking about.
Sure we don't know but I'm willing to give him benefit of the doubt because he's like a cyborg. We all know the NBA is not as physical as NFL and not as physical as the NBA used to be I'm a 76'ers fan and can tell you players miss a ton of games. Lebron in 17 years has had one injury I believe that has kept him out longer then a few games and it was a groin. I'm willing to give him a lot of benefit of doubt with regards to durability myself.We don't even know how his body would be taking hits. He's so tall that guys could hit him mid hair when he goes to catch a pass and who knows how he would take that.
This is probably true, given he was so tall as a kid, basketball would have made a lot more sense.not like basketball isn’t a contact sport. And hitting the hardwood is less forgiving than hitting a person, but it’s true. He’s not getting tackled.
I mean, his hairline is receding quite a bit, but
I think some of that is more “tall guys play basketball”, but of course you could be right. Didn’t seem to hurt Gates too much.
Hmm... agree to disagree on that one. Definitely not arguing against Lebron’a greatness as an athlete or basketball player. I just don’t think it’s anywhere near just an adjustment. While difficult to quantify I’d say his chances of success in the NFL would probably be sub 50% by a large margin. Would we be giving this leniency to Usain Bolt?We're talking about a sporting position that people have walked right off the basketball court and on to. Numerous times. It's hardly a novel hall pass or speculation to give as random chance. Dude is beyond a world, world-class athlete. He might be the best athlete America has produced in twenty years. It's not like stepping off the football field and on to the track, it's a transition that takes slight bulk and a little mental acuity to pull off.