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There's only been constant speculation about it for a week.
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Culpepper to Miami (1 Viewer)
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There's only been constant speculation about it for a week.
TheFanatic
Footballguy
WHITE ELEPHANT ALERT!!!!
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shake zula
Footballguy
psychobillies
Footballguy
What are you talking about? He said he would prefer Miami if the money was the same. Said all the same things about being part of N.O. resurgence and how it would be great to be down here, and blah blah blah. All players say they would love to be in the cities that are pursuing them. New Orleans simply outbid Miami for his services.Brees doesn't want to play in NO, I think it was the FINS not Brees who balked.It implies that the Dolphins were not willing to pay as much as the Saints. If they thought he had serious issues they would not have offered $8 million in guaranteed money.If this is true the most important thing it implies is the Brees has serious issues. ESPN claims that Brees was willing to take less to come here and yesterday all the talk was that the FINS where seriously leaning towards Brees.
Jason Wood
Zoo York
There may be some truth to this if the reports were that Brees had to respond to Miami by midnight last night, or else. Likely Miami wanted to move on someone before things got crazy. With reports that Culpepper talks were re-ignited with Oakland, Saban probably got tired of waiting on Brees and opted for 'pep.Brees doesn't want to play in NO, I think it was the FINS not Brees who balked.It implies that the Dolphins were not willing to pay as much as the Saints. If they thought he had serious issues they would not have offered $8 million in guaranteed money.If this is true the most important thing it implies is the Brees has serious issues. ESPN claims that Brees was willing to take less to come here and yesterday all the talk was that the FINS where seriously leaning towards Brees.
Snot Bubbler
Footballguy
And where did you hear that?Brees doesn't want to play in NO, I think it was the FINS not Brees who balked.It implies that the Dolphins were not willing to pay as much as the Saints. If they thought he had serious issues they would not have offered $8 million in guaranteed money.If this is true the most important thing it implies is the Brees has serious issues. ESPN claims that Brees was willing to take less to come here and yesterday all the talk was that the FINS where seriously leaning towards Brees.
Funkley
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The sad truth is that neither one of them are worth anything compared to what they had been. You can make the case that if they had held either of them a little longer you'd get nothing. How many teams would give up the 7th overall pick for Moss now? I think it's good to remember that 'value' in football changes too fast. That's why contracts aren't guaranteed.135tds
86ints
If he gets healthy he's better then any QB you've sniffed since Marino, by a LONG shot. If I were a fins fan I would be ecstatic! You just got the ultimate buy low. The vikes screwed up again by taking their best player, waiting tillhe is injurred durring his worst year ever and decided that was the time to sell. And you guys got the prize.What do the Dolphins have to lose. When players are playing well along side him, Culpepper is a top 5 QB. I'm furious right now the Vikes traded him at his lowest market point. We've now given Moss and Culpepper away for pennies on the dollar.
psychobillies
Footballguy
Obviously not as closely as cstu has anyway.I guess he thinks that NO hasn't heard that Brees had the injury or that they didn't investigate it.
guderian
Footballguy
That's not the point. You said that it must mean that Brees had "issues", but he pointed out that the Vikings were willing to offer him $8 million in guarantees. They wouldn't have done that if they thought he had issues.Brees doesn't want to play in NO, I think it was the FINS not Brees who balked.It implies that the Dolphins were not willing to pay as much as the Saints. If they thought he had serious issues they would not have offered $8 million in guaranteed money.If this is true the most important thing it implies is the Brees has serious issues. ESPN claims that Brees was willing to take less to come here and yesterday all the talk was that the FINS where seriously leaning towards Brees.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Meh. Moss has slowed down a TON due to back and ankle trouble.And Culpepper has shown a terrible lack of leadership qualities this offseason that make it obvious, to me, that he's not Super Bowl material.
B-Deep
Footballguy
Um,I'd give up a 7th overall for moss! Where can my team sign up.The sad truth is that neither one of them are worth anything compared to what they had been. You can make the case that if they had held either of them a little longer you'd get nothing. How many teams would give up the 7th overall pick for Moss now? I think it's good to remember that 'value' in football changes too fast. That's why contracts aren't guaranteed.
86ints
If he gets healthy he's better then any QB you've sniffed since Marino, by a LONG shot. If I were a fins fan I would be ecstatic! You just got the ultimate buy low. The vikes screwed up again by taking their best player, waiting tillhe is injurred durring his worst year ever and decided that was the time to sell. And you guys got the prize.
Kirby
Footballguy
86ints
If he gets healthy he's better then any QB you've sniffed since Marino, by a LONG shot. If I were a fins fan I would be ecstatic! You just got the ultimate buy low. The vikes screwed up again by taking their best player, waiting tillhe is injurred durring his worst year ever and decided that was the time to sell. And you guys got the prize.
I'm a Dolphins fan with wood right now. I'm thinking a home superbowl next year would be nice. 
Minnesota will NOT enter the 2006 season with Brad Johnson, J.T. O-Sullivan and a guy like Nall as their quarterbacks. Johnson is 38, and one serious hit away from missing some significant time. You have to believe that Brees' agent has already contacted Minnesota unless a deal with New Orleans is essentially already completed, but then again, I suppose the Vikings could be planning to go with Johnson for a year or two while grooming a young QB or two as his replacement. Making a run at Schaub in Atlanta would sure be interesting though! Either that, or maybe the Miss Congeniality prize of adding Aaron Brooks to see if he can beat out BJ for the job...... 
B-Deep
Footballguy
Think of where your team was when ricky quit and look at them now. Quite the turn around in potential, outlook, and additude. Saban has done well. AND, if Ricky plays that's a bonus! If he doesn't it won't hurt your chances much. What a luxury to be able to say that.
86ints
If he gets healthy he's better then any QB you've sniffed since Marino, by a LONG shot. If I were a fins fan I would be ecstatic! You just got the ultimate buy low. The vikes screwed up again by taking their best player, waiting tillhe is injurred durring his worst year ever and decided that was the time to sell. And you guys got the prize.
shake zula
Footballguy
I don't know what you are talking about?"Even though the Saints are offering more money, Brees appears to be leaning toward the Dolphins, the Miami Herald is reporting. Brees arrived in South Florida Sunday nignt, and spent most of Monday undergoing a series of tests on his throwing shoulder, which he injured in the season finale. The Dolphins and Brees' agent, Tom Condon, are expected to resume contract negotiations today. "What are you talking about? He said he would prefer Miami if the money was the same. Said all the same things about being part of N.O. resurgence and how it would be great to be down here, and blah blah blah. All players say they would love to be in the cities that are pursuing them. New Orleans simply outbid Miami for his services.Brees doesn't want to play in NO, I think it was the FINS not Brees who balked.It implies that the Dolphins were not willing to pay as much as the Saints. If they thought he had serious issues they would not have offered $8 million in guaranteed money.If this is true the most important thing it implies is the Brees has serious issues. ESPN claims that Brees was willing to take less to come here and yesterday all the talk was that the FINS where seriously leaning towards Brees.
Brees was leaning towards Miami yesterday, he spent all day taking test and seeing doctors, the organization didn't like the results and pulled the trigger on the CPepper deal.
Funkley
Collar: Up
No, I'm not talking about fantasy football rubes. I mean real NFL GM's....that get paid.....and have to do a good job or they cannot pay their mortgages. If your job was on the line you'd give up the 7th overall for an injury prone malcontent? You could work for the Raiders at least.....actually, even they wouldn't give up a 2nd round pick for a terribly broken QB.Um,I'd give up a 7th overall for moss! Where can my team sign up.The sad truth is that neither one of them are worth anything compared to what they had been. You can make the case that if they had held either of them a little longer you'd get nothing. How many teams would give up the 7th overall pick for Moss now? I think it's good to remember that 'value' in football changes too fast. That's why contracts aren't guaranteed.
86ints
If he gets healthy he's better then any QB you've sniffed since Marino, by a LONG shot. If I were a fins fan I would be ecstatic! You just got the ultimate buy low. The vikes screwed up again by taking their best player, waiting tillhe is injurred durring his worst year ever and decided that was the time to sell. And you guys got the prize.
Jason Wood
Zoo York
I'm a Culpepper fan but you can't throw out his TD-INT ratio and not also acknowledge the 81 [yes, 81] fumbles too.
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MelvinTScupper
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I'd personally hope that this means MN will go after Brees instead.
TheFanatic
Footballguy
Not so fast:
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Jules Winnfield
Footballguy
Oh my GOD!It will be a bad scene out of Miami Vice with Daunte in South Beach.
Although...Do you think anyone really cares if you have sex on a boat in South Beach? Isn't that the norm?
shake zula
Footballguy
tons of sex on boats down here
Couch Potato
Footballguy
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Only if the shoulder is good. Otherwise, heaven forbid, I'd rather go with Johnson this year. Or trade for Schaub, if possible. Can't you just hear the howls? They take the 2nd that they get for Culpepper, use it to get Schaub, and then we have to hear the squeals of pain from Patrick Reusse and Chad Barriero of "So we essentially traded Culpepper for Schaub? Who's running that club anyway, Kevin McHale?"
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Even deeper at o-line.1st round linebacker. 2nd round o-line and perhaps a pass catching TE.No ####. He would've been released next week. A 2nd round pick in the deepest LB draft in years =
shake zula
Footballguy
Mort w/ Dan Patrick
There is no such thing as "passing" or "failing" a physical. That's just not how it works.If MIA wants to play hardball, just start the rumor through Mortensen or Clayton that Culpepper "failed" their physical. Then, go back to MIN and say, "how about a 3rd or 4th rounder instead?"
B-Deep
Footballguy
So, you think teams would rather have Troy williamson than Moss? And way to go bringing in Krob this year to keep with the people that don't have off field issues.
I think moss is an ###, and I understand why they shipped him out. But the fact is in 3 years ago the vikes had what was considered a top2 QB and a top 2 WR and now they have dealt both of them for pennies. And neither of them is even 30 years old. This is the first time that I can recall a team building it's identiity around 2 young stars and then withint 2 years shippping them both away and having no stars at all left with the team.
When you stop and think of where the vikes were in 2004 and where they are now it is mind boggling.
Funkley
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Do you even realize how long 3 years is in the NFL? And what does Troy Williamson have to do with it? What a team does with the 7th overall means nothing. Having it in the 1st place means everything. Just because the Vikes swung and missed with Williamson last year doesn't mean you'd just give it away for Moss now. Moss is not the player he used to be and people are having a heck of a time coming to terms with that.So, you think teams would rather have Troy williamson than Moss? And way to go bringing in Krob this year to keep with the people that don't have off field issues.
I think moss is an ###, and I understand why they shipped him out. But the fact is in 3 years ago the vikes had what was considered a top2 QB and a top 2 WR and now they have dealt both of them for pennies. And neither of them is even 30 years old. This is the first time that I can recall a team building it's identiity around 2 young stars and then withint 2 years shippping them both away and having no stars at all left with the team.
When you stop and think of where the vikes were in 2004 and where they are now it is mind boggling.
BlueOnion
Footballguy
This is going to be highjack if we are not careful, but Randy Moss was the greatest offensive weapon to ever play the game, I loved him in Minnesota but I thought his career was about done when Minnesota shipped him out. Last year was no aberration, the guy is not as fast as he once was and his back, foot and hamstring problems never went away in his early\mid 20s, so I don't think they will start going away now.Minnesota got good value for Moss and unless Moss plays a full 16 game season in the future for Oakland, Minnesota might possibly get the better of the deal when all is said and done.
I also loved Culpepper going way back to his Central Florida days and was thrilled when we drafted him. However, given all the variables (new system, missing training camp, unliked by the majority of fans in Minnesota), his time in Minnesota had come to an end as well.
Gopher State
Footballguy
Great news. Now if the Phins can sign T.O., it would be sick with Pepper tossing the ball to T.O., Chambers 
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Moss is not the player he used to be and people are having a heck of a time coming to terms with that.
ShadowMaster
Footballguy
CORRECT!I said when this news broke that if it had happened in Miami that does not even get reported. TONS of naked people on their boats every day down here and I'm sure MANY of them go below deck and; E-GAD!, have sex.tons of sex on boats down here
