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Some people actually want what's good for the country, not whats good for the party.I doubt that coukd happen as well. But id think as democrats youd wanna run against the worst possible option. Isn't Trump that guy?
Some people actually want what's good for the country, not whats good for the party.I doubt that coukd happen as well. But id think as democrats youd wanna run against the worst possible option. Isn't Trump that guy?
Yes. And Trump (and Biden) running is not what is good for the country. But apparently that is just my emotions speaking…I should relax and calm down and all that. Has nothing tondo with the logic of the circus that all brings, furthering the divide, and bad policy. Nope, just feelings.Some people actually want what's good for the country, not whats good for the party.
The Future Champs said:Why are you guys engaging with a troll? Put him on ignore and move on.
Some people actually want what's good for the country, not whats good for the party.
If you read carefully, you will note I didn't say the democrats are the answer.Let me know when you find them in the Democrat Party.
Although, I still think you're looking for a Unicorn, but good luck!
If you read carefully, you will note I didn't say the democrats are the answer.
And multiple people in here have said they don’t want Trump even if it means the Democrats lose. Because quite literally we want country to do well over party.If you read carefully, you will note I didn't say the democrats are the answer.
Thats an emotional response. Isn't the good for the country beating the Republican nominee in 2024? Especially if it happens to be Trump?Some people actually want what's good for the country, not whats good for the party.
So its about emotions. Listen i get that. I totally do. Denying thats the reason is weird to meAnd multiple people in here have said they don’t want Trump even if it means the Democrats lose. Because quite literally we want country to do well over party.
This is not trolling. Never was. This is a serious question.The Future Champs said:Why are you guys engaging with a troll? Put him on ignore and move on.
Please stop assigning emotion to rational responses.Thats an emotional response. Isn't the good for the country beating the Republican nominee in 2024? Especially if it happens to be Trump?
Thats a very level headed, logical response. Others have said that too. The risk is too great.I don't want any chance that Trump sniffs the White House again.
If Trump was the GOP nominee and Biden / Harris / Bernie / (insert name here) was favored by 80 points, that's too much for me.
There are no guarantees. The juice isn't worth the squeeze.
Edit: in before this is labeled an emotional reaction lol.
I will when I see one. In fact I just replied to one. And stop being offended when someone calls your replies emotional. Thats not a bad thing. Why so afraid to admit it?Please stop assigning emotion to rational responses.
I don't care R vs D. They both have strong areas and week areas.Thats a very level headed, logical response. Others have said that too. The risk is too great.
But if you were assured a dem win in 2024, still no to Trump?
Nope. Not taking the stinky bait.I will when I see one. In fact I just replied to one. And stop being offended when someone calls your replies emotional. Thats not a bad thing. Why so afraid to admit it?
Ok. This question then is more directed at the dems. Those who do not want a republican president in 2024.I don't care R vs D. They both have strong areas and week areas.
I detest partisan hackery in general.
So you are basically looking to argue with other blowhard partisan hacks, but from the D side?Ok. This question then is more directed at the dems. Those who do not want a republican president in 2024.
I wont call democrats partisan hacks. Ans those that want a democratic president on 2024 dont fall into that category.So you are basically looking to argue with other blowhard partisan hacks, but from the D side?
OK, but I'm not sure there are very many willing to put party over country on the D side.
No…its quite clear you don’t get it or just being obtuse.So its about emotions. Listen i get that. I totally do. Denying thats the reason is weird to me
Thats an emotional response. Isn't the good for the country beating the Republican nominee in 2024? Especially if it happens to be Trump?Some people actually want what's good for the country, not whats good for the party.
Anyone who wants a candidate from a particular party, regardless of fitness for office or opposing candidate, is a partisan hack.I wont call democrats partisan hacks. Ans those that want a democratic president on 2024 dont fall into that category.
The Future Champs said:Why are you guys engaging with a troll? Put him on ignore and move on.
You ask every single person you interact with their political affiliation and who they want to win the nom? Cool guyI interact with hundreds of people a week. Most are democrats. Nobody wants Trump to win the nomination. Not one.
Stop being emotional!!!
There's no need to be nasty.You ask every single person you interact with their political affiliation and who they want to win the nom? Cool guy
Oh, the irony.
One guy offers a detailed explanation of why he would prefer just about anyone but Trump. The response by the OP is, “OK so you’re emotional”. The guy responds that he is not being emotional and explains why once again. The OP responds “hey it’s OK to be emotional; I get emotional too,”I haven't seen any of this thread.
Not even close. I was feeling for logical thought out replies and I didn't get them. There were tons of replies about how Trump is mean and whatever, but few real answers to the question. We all agree liberals are more emotionally driven and I was trying to get to real logic. Was far harder than I realized it would be.One guy offers a detailed explanation of why he would prefer just about anyone but Trump. The response by the OP is, “OK so you’re emotional”. The guy responds that he is not being emotional and explains why once again. The OP responds “hey it’s OK to be emotional; I get emotional too,”
Little bit of trolling there.
I’ll let my comments stand, I think I was pretty accurate.Not even close. I was feeling for logical thought out replies and I didn't get them. There were tons of replies about how Trump is mean and whatever, but few real answers to the question. We all agree liberals are more emotionally driven and I was trying to get to real logic. Was far harder than I realized it would be.
Not trolling. My question was legit. Still not totally sure where dems stand here except to say they are scared.
Its not trolling!! Why is that trolling??? Why is saying liberals are more emotional a bad thing? Why why whyI’ll let my comments stand, I think I was pretty accurate.
And by the way, the statement “we all agree liberals are more emotionally driven and I was trying to get to real logic” is trolling as well.
Again, I will let my comments stand. No need to explain further.Its not trolling!! Why is that trolling??? Why is saying liberals are more emotional a bad thing? Why why why
Thats fair. Your comments are notedAgain, I will let my comments stand. No need to explain further.
Not even close. I was feeling for logical thought out replies and I didn't get them. There were tons of replies about how Trump is mean and whatever, but few real answers to the question. We all agree liberals are more emotionally driven and I was trying to get to real logic. Was far harder than I realized it would be.
Not trolling. My question was legit. Still not totally sure where dems stand here except to say they are scared.
However, respectfully, if someone is responding emotionally and I tell him I get that response, and even do it myself. Why does that person get mad? Does it offend him to be called emotional? I don't get that.
One guy offers a detailed explanation of why he would prefer just about anyone but Trump. The response by the OP is, “OK so you’re emotional”. The guy responds that he is not being emotional and explains why once again. The OP responds “hey it’s OK to be emotional; I get emotional too,”
Little bit of trolling there.
I know you're not asking me as an independent, but this new hypothetical brings a completely different risk/benefit calculation.Thats a very level headed, logical response. Others have said that too. The risk is too great.
But if you were assured a dem win in 2024, still no to Trump?
I know that’s what you want. I’m very reluctant to report anything. It just seems like bad form to me. I’d prefer not to see anyone suspended.Ok. Report trolling that you see that is over the line.
Joe, I've mostly followed your advice and refused to engage with posters I find annoying. But one point I want to make is that "trolling" is not always an easily definable, reportable offense. Sometimes it's more of a general way that certain posters respond to others: a refusal to engage with the substance of opposing arguments, a lack of good faith, etc. I find arguing with them is like nailing Jello to a wall. IMO people like that lower the discourse as much, if not more, than some of the comments that get people banned.I haven't seen any of this thread. But definitely put people on ignore and don't engage with them if you don't want to read what they write.
But also don't insult other posters calling them trolls. If you see a poster that is going over the line with trolling, please report it. I have no idea what specifically you're referencing but lots of posters on both sides are quick to use the troll insult when the reality is it's closer to just something they disagree with. Thanks.
Trolling is a bit much, but of course he was . sho. You would have been the one scolded for wanting a mods if you'd reported it.I know that’s what you want. I’m very reluctant to report anything. It just seems like bad form to me. I’d prefer not to see anyone suspended.
In any case this was pretty subtle: it WAS trolling IMO but you need to read more than one post, and all the responses, to reach that conclusion.
Thank you. I don’t disagree at all that it’s very often not a bright line and clear-cut.Joe, I've mostly followed your advice and refused to engage with posters I find annoying. But one point I want to make is that "trolling" is not always an easily definable, reportable offense. Sometimes it's more of a general way that certain posters respond to others: a refusal to engage with the substance of opposing arguments, a lack of good faith, etc. I find arguing with them is like nailing Jello to a wall. IMO people like that lower the discourse as much, if not more, than some of the comments that get people banned.
I don't know what the answer is for you as a moderator. I think it's just really hard to police discourse on contentious topics. But I do agree that the answer for us as individual posters is not to give such people oxygen by getting drawn into pointless arguments.
Thats correct. It can be easy to just pass on things that don't interest you. I don't know why people want to get angry over these thingsThank you. I don’t disagree at all that it’s very often not a bright line and clear-cut.
It very often can be just snarky and condescending replies. Most people know exactly when they doing it and some are even pretty good at it. Knowing how far they can insult the other poster yet still be able to shrug with a “who me?” and claim they didn’t really say anything over the line.
It’s discouraging. The only real answer I know is to do as you’re saying and just don’t engage and move past it. Thanks.
Thats correct. It can be easy to just pass on things that don't interest you. I don't know why people want to get angry over these things
Point taken. However I will do a little "who me" but yeah. Juat cause it's my opinion rhT doesn't make it rightThe flipside is this board works best when we all are aiming for civil discussion. That often means there is some responsibility on the writer to not write things others looking for good discussion will have to ignore.
We all can be better.
Well put. I'd be fine with a Republican pres if it's not Trump. I'd be fine with any pres who puts democracy first. The Trump era just showed me the playbook to criminalize the office, and (to this point in time so far) how to get away with it.It's not emotional to recognize that on an objective comparison of relative merits, Trump comes in second to almost every rival he has in either party. He just spent four years demonstrating his unfitness for the job.
What's emotional is seeing him as a brilliant patriot who will return the country to some kind of invented utopia of the past. The red hats tearing up when Donald hugs the flag at a rally are the folks letting their emotions run away with them.
No.I know in general the thread has turned predictably into taking shots at each side.
Back to the topic, do you think Democrats should hope Trump is the nominee again?