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Do you approve or disapprove of the way Joe Biden is handling his job as president? (1 Viewer)
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The General
Footballguy
Ok We can agree to disagree on this.
This poster said that they feel obligated to assign blame unfairly towards Biden out of duty because of how Trump was treated. I appreciate the truthfulness, but this is both childish and vindictive to me.
Except that's not what he said. That kind of thing claiming people said something they didn't say is definitely not what we want here.
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timschochet
Footballguy
About 8. I explained why I believe it in the post.
Did he make mistakes? Yes. Is it his doing alone? No, of course not. Republicans and Democrats all played a part, including Donald Trump. Could Biden have done better? of course.
But overall I think Biden deserves the lion share of the credit, and I believe history will come to agree with me.
PhillipPhoto
Footballguy
PhillipPhoto
Footballguy
KarmaPolice
Footballguy
Doing great. Low bar set by the last guy.
The General
Footballguy
This is what I am referring to @Joe Bryant
I don't feel I am claiming something that wasn't said. I consider this to be vindictive.
Stealthycat
Footballguy
its vindictive if I'm being hard on Joe Biden simply to be doing it
in fact, I'm pointing out all the flaws in Joe Biden from what he says, to what he's done, to his actions, his executive orders, his killing KeyStone XL, his attacks on energy, his movements on illegal immigrants at the border, his massive numbers of covid deaths while he is President, the withdraw from Afghanistan and how it all went badly with American deaths, the record inflation, record gas, Russia in Ukraine, North Korea testing nuclear, rising interest rates, record gas prices ......
its not like I'm making stuff up here (like Steele Dossier and Russia connections)..... this stuff is real - its exactly what we're supposed to use on evaluating a President - not if they're tweeting mean or using silly nicknames
vindictive- having or showing a strong or unreasoning desire for revenge.
I'm pointing out Biden's flaws - and they're very real, factual and reasonable
I know people don't like that I point out Biden's horrible performance - but that's what was done every day in the last 4 years was it not ?? why are you calling me out? did you call everyone else out on their daily hammering of the previous President because I sure don't remember it
The General
Footballguy
This forum is in large part based on being critical of the President, political parties, etc. Have at it.
When points are made like keeping tally of deaths from Covid and attaching it to the administration are held as some scorecard when not considering other factors - I have noticed this is a favorite of yours - I would say that It is not an intellectually honest critique and is instead a simple partisan talking point.
I asked you about this. You responded that this was because this was done with the last guy so it should be continued. Fair enough. However, I consider that to be vindictive. To complain about this behavior and then perpetuate it I consider childish (and I am sure I am guilty of this plenty as well).
I would have responded to your comment on this directly but I felt the convo was pretty much done and this sidebar convo evolved from that.
The Commish
Footballguy
My position since board inception. This is the first time ive heard anyone else here say it. Thats definitely not the approach the "sides" prefer.
Gopher State
Footballguy
While overall I do not approve of Biden. I give him high marks in his handling of Russia. He realizes the threat of Putin, as shown by his proposed increase in military spending. Rumors are that Biden supports permanent U S military bases in Poland and other countries. No doubt the action Joe has taken and the comments he has made towards Russia means that we will be at odds/Cold War with them for years to come. We will have a strong position when it comes to development of advanced nuclear weapons and missiles, with continued increase in funding for them. He will be remembered as a war president and not as a social program president. He has put China and North Korea on notice.
Stealthycat
Footballguy
nope not vindictive - Biden gauged Trump on covid deaths, did he not ? we've literally had hundreds of pages and a lot of it was on the previous administrations dealings with covid and deaths from it ..... and not often was there considering factors like a pandemic that came out of the blue and no vaccines?
covid was used as a tool and used politically - and as I said, i've learned in the last 4 years that's fair game, anything that happens in a President's administration is on them. Not vindictive - layers of things I can support with links showing he's a failure so far.
I think that's fair. For the next few weeks I'm pretty much out of pocket - so you won't have to see me post on what Biden's failing on every day. Also, I'll take it a notch down on Joe if you'd like, I can do that on the little things and we can focus on the bigger ones.
Stealthycat
Footballguy
what would Joe Biden do or not do to give you low marks on Russia ? (or China etc) ?
The General
Footballguy
You can post about Joe all day every day if you like. Some new material would be appreciated
Ben & Jerry's
Footballguy
I think the midterms will be a good indicator of how most Americans would answer this question.
BassNBrew
Footballguy
You are correct. That's why I haven't voted for either major party presidential candidate the last two elections. It's a hard not letting the performance of other presidents cloud you judgement on how the current one is doing.
pinkham13
Footballguy
When the laptop news comes out fully and proves the conspiracy truthers correct about the Biden crime family will people change these ridiculous approvals? I doubt it. Clinton went to pedo island 27 times. Liberals still love the man. Biden could nuke Florida and have the U.N. takeover our police force and 50% on here would be approving of the job he is doing.
supermike80
Footballguy
History will show Covid was tamed under Biden's administration.
History will not show Covid was tamed as a result of Biden's administration.
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Ruffrodys05
IBL Representative
Regarding the first bolded: Current approval ratings of the job Biden is currently doing are completely unrelated to whether or not he was complicit in some yet unproven shady dealings with his son Hunter several years ago. What Biden may, or may not, have done back then has nothing to do with the job he's doing right now. As such, wondering whether anyone would change their approval rating makes little to no sense.
Regarding the second bolded: Thats quite an unrealistic and ridiculous statement to make in an attempt to make a point about folks on this board approving of the job Biden is currently doing. But, in an effort to play along in your whimsical "what if" game, I'd be more than happy to change my vote to "Disapprove" if Biden should ever do, or attempt to do, either of the crazy things you dreamed up to make said point.
I get it, you dislike liberals.
Since you are (sort of) asking whether anyone would be willing to change their mind when presented facts that differ from their current viewpoint, I'd like to ask you this though: Would you change your mind about Joe Biden if it is proven that he wasn't involved in any corruption or shady dealings with his son Hunter several years ago? In an effort to be fair and unassuming I won't presuppose an answer like you have done in your post, I'll just wait to see if you respond with one or not.
Steve Tasker
Footballguy
it is what it is. I'm relatively indifferent. I don't think he's the greatest president ever, doing a fantastic A+++ S-tier job, but then again he also doesn't really represent my interests. I find him to be a better president than Trump. That doesn't mean I approve of Biden's performance, it just means I strongly disapprove of Trump's performance. 
MAC_32
Footballguy
It's the right approach, but after what transpired last decade I think pivoting in election season is appropriate. The problem is I define election season as a month or so before voting whereas the political market defines election season as all the time.
PhillipPhoto
Footballguy
Sure, but looking at the responses as a whole there are a bunch of people that are rationalizing voting for approve based on comparisons to Trump. That's skewing the results as Trump has nothing, ZERO, to do with the question. It's an interesting phenomenon.
KarmaPolice
Footballguy
The Commish
Footballguy
This isn't a "phenomenon" by any reasonable understanding of the word's definition. It's completely predictable and expected. Look at all the people that voted for Trump "because Hillary was the other option". Look at all the people who voted for Bush "because Kerry was the other option". Look at all the people who voted for Obama "because Hillary was the other option" (that was a primary). This excuse, which is exactly what it is in a system where you can vote for whomever you choose...an excuse.....has been around since the beginning of beginnings.
PhillipPhoto
Footballguy
Similar to the last president's performance, this poll doesn't have anything to do with who people voted for either.
pinkham13
Footballguy
Many are well aware that the Biden crime family is guilty of everything that was dismissed as Russian disinformation. No need need to speculate he is innocent. When all the big media brands censor the stories they don’t like you can bet your sweet petunia it’s true. If this were the Drumpf family it would have been 24/7 news and you Biden backers would have 15 threads on it. When your favorite criminals are guilty it’s all nothing to see here. The uni-party is crooked as hell on both sides.
Ruffrodys05
IBL Representative
There's no such thing as a "Biden crime family." The only folks who are apparently aware of such a thing are conspiracy theorists such as yourself. Russian disinformation may have clouded your judgement.
Innocent until proven guilty. No speculation needed.
I'm not a "Biden backer," nor am I liberal. Nor do I have a favorite criminal. At least not in the real world. In the worlds of cinema, TV and literature I might have a couple I'm fond of.
There absolutely is nothing to see here until evidentiary proof is shown to exist by the investigations currently being done or, a trustworthy news source.
I'd be more than likely to believe an investigative article on Joe Biden's involvement in corruption with his son Hunter if said article came from sources such as Reuters, BBC or the AP. Those sources don't spread conspiracy theories, nor are they biased, hence their earned trustworthiness.
The General
Footballguy
Gopher State
Footballguy
Football Jones
Footballguy
Maybe there was a worse President before my time, but there's absolutely no doubt he's the worst in a half century. Biden has bungled just about everything he's touched.
There's simply no other way to spin it.
There's simply no other way to spin it.
Alex P Keaton
Footballguy
I think it’s weird than anyone thinks Trump and Biden are anything but neck-and-neck for worst presidents in the past 40-ish years.
The General
Footballguy
timschochet
Footballguy
I honestly believe that Biden has been an above average President so far. I get this is a very unpopular point of view,, but it’s what I think. Sorry if that’s weird. But I’ve explained in detail on several occasions here why I think he’s done a good job.
Trump was the worst guy ever to be elected President but he wasn’t the worst President. He was kept from doing anything really awful (one could say that Mitch McConnell was effectively the President during the Trump years.) I would rank Trump as mediocre, and significantly better than the worst 5 Presidents of all time (in no particular order, Millard Fillmore, James Buchanan, Andrew Johnson, Herbert Hoover, and Jimmy Carter.)
Chaz McNulty
Footballguy
I think this may have been true up to him losing the election. But the whole peaceful transfer of power, Big Lie, and insurrection puts him near the bottom. Worse in my lifetime.
GoBirds
Footballguy
FairWarning
Footballguy
Just pray that Pelosi didn’t give Biden COVID. I can’t handle a Kamala presser telling us that Texas is bigger than Louisiana.
Juxtatarot
Footballguy
IvanKaramazov
Footballguy
TBH, I have Trump in his own tier on this list.
Biden is very bad. I'm not sure if he's worse than Carter -- my memory of the Carter administration is a little moldy -- but he's well below replacement-level for sure. Trump was actively malignant through. Biden is just incompetent. There's a big different there IMO.
Alex P Keaton
Footballguy
I hear you on all counts. (Btw — I used 40 years as the cutoff because Carter is before my functional memory.)
Trump was a terrible wannabe dictator who brought out the worst in America. But it’s seems too many people like tim can’t objectively look at their own side and admit “oof, my guy is just abysmal. Maybe even historically bad even by recent team blue standards.”
It makes me sad that folks can’t see how horrible both of these guys have been.
FairWarning
Footballguy
FairWarning
Footballguy
The Commish
Footballguy
"Lesser of Two Evils" is ingrained in a great many. Neither of the sides is particularly good at self reflection. Take a two minute spin through the wealth inequality thread to see that neither party is doing anything meaningful for the bottom 50% of the country. It's as flat a line as you can get on topics like this, yet people are convinced one "side" IS better for the bottom 50% than the other.
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Chaz McNulty
Footballguy
Football Jones said:
But if someone is saying that Biden is the worse in their lifetime, and they are over 2 years old, wouldn't you compare them to the other presidents in their lifetime? I think a but Trump, or but Carter, is OK in this situation.GoBirds said:
100%, get ready for the “but Trump!” crowd though. That’s all they do.
Chaz McNulty
Footballguy
I think Biden was bottom tier until the Russia/Ukraine war. I still have him below average. He is too old and is a placeholder. He will have a meh presidency.Alex P Keaton said:
timschochet
Footballguy
Sigh. Again and again in this forum I have offered numerous reasons why I think Biden is doing a good job. To summarize:Alex P Keaton said:
1. I think he deserves the lions share of credit for bringing us out of Covid.
2. the infrastructure bill is a huge deal.
3. Reducing child poverty is a huge deal.
4. Despite inflation the economy continues to do well.
5. The decision to leave Afghanistan was a good one.
6. I generally approve of his policies on our southern border.
7. I love his Supreme Court appointment.
8. His leadership with regard to opposing Russia has been outstanding.
You can disagree with any or all of these points, but please don’t simplify my analysis by telling me that I can’t “objectively look at my own side”. It belittles my ability to think and it’s frankly insulting.
PhillipPhoto
Footballguy
Everyone knows Biden invented the mask and the vaccine. If anyone wants to challenge that I can back it up with facts.
supermike80
Footballguy
Dude...There is no need for the "sigh". You have made your thoughts known, almost to the point of absurdity. Many don't agree with you. I know that's hard to swallow, but it's true. It's OK that others don't agree with your point of view on most of that list.
timschochet
Footballguy
Of course it’s OK. What’s not OK is that they think I don’t really mean any of it, that it’s simply a matter of me refusing to criticize anyone on “my team.” That’s what I take umbrage with.
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