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Does Calhoun in Detroit worry KJ owners? (1 Viewer)

some other team is going to LOVE having cory schlessinger on their squad. I hope he signs someplace he can win a subpar bowl. character guy who gives 100% all the time. ONe of my all-time favorite Lions.

 
Wow, how the mighty have fallen.  Two years ago KJ was the fantasy rage and now we are debating whether he is going to lose his job to a 3rd down RB.

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That's not the title of the thread. The thread is does the Calhoun pick worry KJ owners. He doesn't have to start to cut into KJ's numbers.........KJ is the starter for week 1.
 
I was extremely high on Kevin Jones when he entered the league, but it is time to seriously take a look at just what he has done in his two seasons. His hype is being relied on one second half of his rookie season that came against weak defenses and what he did in college. If you ask me, he looks nothing like he did while at Va Tech, and I have serious questions about his motivation to improve and play hard.

Congrats to Kevin Jones for tearing up those tenasious 2004 Arizona and Green Bay defenses!

I own Jones in a dynasty league and it's frustrating to see a player I believe to have so much talent perform like such a turd. All this blaming Mariucci, the QB's sucking, the line not making holes, whatever, its total BS. They may not have helped Jones much, but Jones hasn't really helped himself much either. It's time to call a spade a spade, and Kevin Jones needs to get his act together and prove himself.

 
To me, this is reminiscent of WGreen/Suggs.  KJones, like WGreen, was a high draft pick who finished his rookie season strong, then sucked the next year.  Calhoun, like Suggs, comes out as an intriguing guy who is a borderline NFL starter talent.  Suggs eventually surpassed WGreen, but even then wasn't the answer for the team.  I think that similarly, even if Calhoun manages to pass up KJones, it will be short-term until they get a real replacement.

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So...we should be expecting Garrison Hearst to roll into the Motor City sometime around June 2007, then?
 
A better question might be:

Why do talented players go to Detroit...and suck?

Harrington, Rogers, Williams, Williams, KJ.....

Calhoun could probably be the most consistent WR the Lions have..and I'm not kidding! :shock:

 
A better question might be:

Why do talented players go to Detroit...and suck?

Harrington, Rogers, Williams, Williams, KJ.....

Calhoun could probably be the most consistent WR the Lions have..and I'm not kidding! :shock:

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Seriously, all of those players were just college players and unproven coming into the pros. That's just bad drafting by the Lions. It's not like they were good pros somewhere else and Detroit made them look like crap.A player like Garcia who was decent elsewhere and came to Detroit and looked the worst he ever did comes to mind, but how much of that was due to age.

 
A better question might be:

Why do talented players go to Detroit...and suck?

Harrington, Rogers, Williams, Williams, KJ.....

Calhoun could probably be the most consistent WR the Lions have..and I'm not kidding! :shock:

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Roy Williams sucks?! The guy has 16 tds in under two seasons of play. And KJ led all NFL rushers the second half of the 2005 season. Reggie Williams, the guy taken 2 picks after Roy, now HE SUCKS.

Calm down just a wee bit.

 
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Jones looking to shed some pounds, seems focused

Not sure about Calhoun's impact, but the posted article sure makes KJ sound focused and more importantly, supported by his new HC.

Jones will be tough to rank this season, but Martz' tendancy to call all passes and a poor o-line make me lean toward letting someone else gamble on him.

 
A better question might be:

Why do talented players go to Detroit...and suck?

Harrington, Rogers, Williams, Williams, KJ.....

Calhoun could probably be the most consistent WR the Lions have..and I'm not kidding! :shock:

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Seriously, all of those players were just college players and unproven coming into the pros. That's just bad drafting by the Lions. It's not like they were good pros somewhere else and Detroit made them look like crap.A player like Garcia who was decent elsewhere and came to Detroit and looked the worst he ever did comes to mind, but how much of that was due to age.

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Garcia was terrible in Cleveland before coming to Detroit. The writing was on the wall before Garcia ever took a snap for the Lions, people just didn't want to see it.As for the young guys, I think a combination of bad talent scouting and worse coaching on the Lions part.

 
Calhoun is small-ish with good hands. Odds are he's a situational third-down type back. I guess he's supposed to be very quick... did he ever make up for that slow 40 he ran at the combine?

Anyway, KJ has a lot to prove but I don't see Calhoun as a credible threat to take the starters gig anytime soon.

 
Calhoun is small-ish with good hands. Odds are he's a situational third-down type back. I guess he's supposed to be very quick... did he ever make up for that slow 40 he ran at the combine?

Anyway, KJ has a lot to prove but I don't see Calhoun as a credible threat to take the starters gig anytime soon.

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If KJ doesn't prove much, where do you see Calhoun fitting in? I mean someone's gotta run the ball if KJ doesn't, so who else would? :confused:
 
some other team is going to LOVE having cory schlessinger on their squad.  I hope he signs someplace he can win a subpar bowl.  character guy who gives 100% all the time.  ONe of my all-time favorite Lions.

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Is this a subconscious error, Freudian slip, joke I didn't get, or were you just typing too fast and didn't catch it?
 
A better question might be:

Why do talented players go to Detroit...and suck?

Harrington, Rogers, Williams, Williams, KJ.....

Calhoun could probably be the most consistent WR the Lions have..and I'm not kidding! :shock:

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Roy Williams sucks?! The guy has 16 tds in under two seasons of play. And KJ led all NFL rushers the second half of the 2005 season. Reggie Williams, the guy taken 2 picks after Roy, now HE SUCKS.

Calm down just a wee bit.

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[KJ rant]KJ led the NFL in what? And it was 2004.

last 8 games of 2004 - 906 rushing yards. 4 tds. 119 rec. 0 tds. 126 fftps

last 8 games of 2004 - 541 rush yards. 9 tds. 240 rec. 2 tds. 144 ffpts

last 8 games of 2004 - 817 rushing yards. 7 tds. 70 rec 1 td 136 pts

last 8 games of 2004 - 582 rushing yards. 10 tds. 232 rec 1 td 147 pts

last 8 games of 2004 - 828 rushing yards. 8 tds. 269 rec 1 td 164 pts

last 8 games of 2004 - 803 rushing yards 7 tds 57 rec 0 td 128 pts

KJ wasn't even in the top 5 in the last 8 games. LJ, SA, LT, DD, JJ all finished stronger, and most of them played in at least 1, some 2 less games. (edge would have also beat him had he played more then one series in the final game).

People love to talk about KJs "amazingly strong" finish to 2004. He had shockingly low TD totals, and it was against horrible teams/rush Ds. But all the talking heads on ESPN can yap about "led the nfl in rushing the final 8 games". It's a cute stat. Good for him. But in terms of RBs and FF, so far hes proven to be a flash in the pan. You look at all the people down on JJ/DD, they were better then KJ in 04. But because of that one cute tag line, KJ gets hyped to no end.

KJ is grossly overrated. He's an extremely poor goal line runner. And has show a lack of character and poor attitude. I'm not sure you can blame all that on the Lions.

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And I do agree, ROY has not sucked for the Lions. ROY has stayed productive despite it all.

 
Jones looking to shed some pounds, seems focused

Not sure about Calhoun's impact, but the posted article sure makes KJ sound focused and more importantly, supported by his new HC.

Jones will be tough to rank this season, but Martz' tendancy to call all passes and a poor o-line make me lean toward letting someone else gamble on him.

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I remember Clayton telling us last preseason KJ looks faster, stronger, and should pick right up from his hot end in 2004. Um yeh. That's for the tip egghead.
 
Okay, now that I don't have to keep my mouth shut. Full disclosure - I am a WIS alum & I am now a Calhoun dynasty owner as of this morning.

Calhoun is roughly the exact same size as Marshall Faulk. He touched the ball 401 times last year in 13 games, gaining 1636 yds on 348 carries and 571 yds on 53 catches, while scoring 22 TDs on the ground & 2 in the air - and that was against Big 10 Ds. He tore up Auburn in a bowl game where Auburn was a strong favorite and boasted one of the stronger Ds in the country.

Now he's being paired with Mike Martz in a DET O where K Jones has been very middling? He's as dangerous running routes out of the backfield as he is rushing the ball?

I like his chances. A lot. If Martz incorporates anything like the greatest show on truf O, with 3 wides split out, which will create larger seams for the running game & spread the D, Calhoun could be the prototype RB for that offense. He'll take a ton of touches, he catches very well, and he is strong near the goal line.

 
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To me, this is reminiscent of WGreen/Suggs.  KJones, like WGreen, was a high draft pick who finished his rookie season strong, then sucked the next year.  Calhoun, like Suggs, comes out as an intriguing guy who is a borderline NFL starter talent.  Suggs eventually surpassed WGreen, but even then wasn't the answer for the team.  I think that similarly, even if Calhoun manages to pass up KJones, it will be short-term until they get a real replacement.

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So...we should be expecting Garrison Hearst Reuben Droughns to roll into the Motor City sometime around June 2007, then?
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Fixed. :bag:

 
Okay, now that I don't have to keep my mouth shut.  Full disclosure - I am a WIS alum & I am now a Calhoun dynasty owner as of this morning.

Calhoun is roughly the exact same size as Marshall Faulk.  He touched the ball 401 times last year in 13 games, gaining 1636 yds on 348 carries and 571 yds on 53 catches, while scoring 22 TDs on the ground & 2 in the air - and that was against Big 10 Ds.  He tore up Auburn in a bowl game where Auburn was a strong favorite and boasted one of the stronger Ds in the country.

Now he's being paired with Mike Martz in a DET O where K Jones has been very middling?  He's as dangerous running routes out of the backfield as he is rushing the ball?

I like his chances.  A lot.  If Martz incorporates anything like the greatest show on truf O, with 3 wides split out, which will create larger seams for the running game & spread the D, Calhoun could be the prototype RB for that offense.  He'll take a ton of touches, he catches very well, and he is strong near the goal line.

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:goodposting: I know that most people in fantasy land are weary of Wisconsin running backs, but Calhoun is of an entirely different mold. He is the best Wisconsin running back as far as how he correlates to the pros. Looking at him on paper, you see "smallish" as one poster put it, and not a great 40 time. But this guy is extremely quick, agile, and he lowers his head and puts a hurting on players. Colorado wanted to move him to Wide Receiver, so you know he can catch the ball, and he always seems to fall/dive forward for an additional 2 yards everytime he is tackled. This is not just blind homerism glasses, because I'm usually more critical than most about my favorite teams.

On the other hand I'm also a big fan of Kevin Jones, Artose Pinner, and Bryson. I think they all have potential, and can do very well in their given roles. Having Martz as the OC raises a lot of questions about how much the running game will be involved, but if Miranelli exhibits some control I'm sure that they will be playing a little ball control offense.

I still think Kevin Jones has a lot of unshown potential and could turn out huge for dynasty owners, but I have a gut feeling that something happens to Jones this year and Calhoun steps in and performs very well. I think in Mike Martz offense Calhoun is a much better fit. As Pony Boy said he has an all around game similar to Faulk, not as good but similar. Rather than having the situational guys of Pinner and Bryson, Calhoun probably has a more well rounded game than Jones and would not require Bryson as a third down back.

Calhoun has also shown the ability to carry the load. He had several 40 carry games, and led College football in carries/game. When he transfered to Wisconsin I worried about his size, but that worry was put to rest in the first game when I saw him run over guys and he seemed to get better as he was continuously fed the ball.

 
Okay, now that I don't have to keep my mouth shut.  Full disclosure - I am a WIS alum & I am now a Calhoun dynasty owner as of this morning.

Calhoun is roughly the exact same size as Marshall Faulk.  He touched the ball 401 times last year in 13 games, gaining 1636 yds on 348 carries and 571 yds on 53 catches, while scoring 22 TDs on the ground & 2 in the air - and that was against Big 10 Ds.  He tore up Auburn in a bowl game where Auburn was a strong favorite and boasted one of the stronger Ds in the country.

Now he's being paired with Mike Martz in a DET O where K Jones has been very middling?  He's as dangerous running routes out of the backfield as he is rushing the ball?

I like his chances.  A lot.  If Martz incorporates anything like the greatest show on truf O, with 3 wides split out, which will create larger seams for the running game & spread the D, Calhoun could be the prototype RB for that offense.  He'll take a ton of touches, he catches very well, and he is strong near the goal line.

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that's all good but what happens when Martz goes elsewhere next year and Marinelli gets an OC that is more suited to his "grind it out" style? Wouldn't that put more of an emphasis on Kjones?
 
that's all good but what happens when Martz goes elsewhere next year and Marinelli gets an OC that is more suited to his "grind it out" style?  Wouldn't that put more of an emphasis on Kjones?

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I don't know. If Calhoun pans out as a very good RB - and that is a very large IF, there's no way to tell right now since he hasn't run in the pros & quite frankly the odds are against him - don't you play him no matter what? Gibbs didn't bench Portis because he went from the DEN O to the WAS O. If the guy is the best player on the team at that position, I would suspect the coach would get him time.Let's not overlook that WIS runs a smashmouth rushing O also.

 
To me, this is reminiscent of WGreen/Suggs.  KJones, like WGreen, was a high draft pick who finished his rookie season strong, then sucked the next year.  Calhoun, like Suggs, comes out as an intriguing guy who is a borderline NFL starter talent.  Suggs eventually surpassed WGreen, but even then wasn't the answer for the team.  I think that similarly, even if Calhoun manages to pass up KJones, it will be short-term until they get a real replacement.

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So...we should be expecting Garrison Hearst Reuben Droughns to roll into the Motor City sometime around June 2007, then?
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Fixed. :bag:

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I couldn't figure it out and ignored it...And yes, I could easily see Detroit picking up a new back in a year or two to replace both of these guys.

 
Okay, now that I don't have to keep my mouth shut.  Full disclosure - I am a WIS alum & I am now a Calhoun dynasty owner as of this morning.

Calhoun is roughly the exact same size as Marshall Faulk.  He touched the ball 401 times last year in 13 games, gaining 1636 yds on 348 carries and 571 yds on 53 catches, while scoring 22 TDs on the ground & 2 in the air - and that was against Big 10 Ds.  He tore up Auburn in a bowl game where Auburn was a strong favorite and boasted one of the stronger Ds in the country.

Now he's being paired with Mike Martz in a DET O where K Jones has been very middling?  He's as dangerous running routes out of the backfield as he is rushing the ball?

I like his chances.  A lot.  If Martz incorporates anything like the greatest show on truf O, with 3 wides split out, which will create larger seams for the running game & spread the D, Calhoun could be the prototype RB for that offense.  He'll take a ton of touches, he catches very well, and he is strong near the goal line.

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Gotta admit, Calhoun does have a nice resume and some decent measurables (if you go by his pro day and not his combine numbers!). Anyone have Pinner and Bryson's college stats? Were they studs too? :confused:

 
Okay, now that I don't have to keep my mouth shut.  Full disclosure - I am a WIS alum & I am now a Calhoun dynasty owner as of this morning.

Calhoun is roughly the exact same size as Marshall Faulk. 

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I think MF is taller than 4' 9" ;) http://www.detroitlions.com/roster.cfm?sec...&top=21&level=2

seriously though, 53 catches is pretty impressive. and further lends credence to my theory that he'll be a Hakim/McDonald type slot receiver under Martz as much as an RB.

 
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