Dolphin Players bullied Jonathan Martin, Richie Incognito SUSPENDED (3 Viewers)

[SWC]

i was going to write something smart but here is all that this old boy has to say martin is the man for shining light on a creep and incogneato is a jbag who is going to get all that he has coming to him and more his name is mud and always will be and frankly if a millionaire who stands to lose his future and a ton of money like martin can stand up then i hope any little kid will be inspired to stand up to jerks and turn them in and make it stop all over because when people are supporting the bully instead of the victims who are having there life stolen then we are in one hell of a messed up world so bam martin is the man and anyone saying otherwise needs to back away from the keyboard and think about what is right and wrong and what matters take that to the bank and stand up to bullies brohans

 

[Bamac]

Any idea what kind of financial gain Martin could get for taking this to trial? I would assume he would be black balled from the league if he did something like this, so he could probably forget about another contract.

I think Mr. Martin is going to be compensated adequately for his troubles. And part of the damages awarded would include the obvious loss of income / loss of reputation that came along with having to blow the whistle on this thing. Just a guess, but we could be looking at anywhere between $25 million and $100 million in compensatory damages alone.What really cracks me up is all the people who criticize Martin for not handling this well, or not "fighting back". Oh he hit em back alright - not in the face but in an area that hurts a whole lot more - in their wallets. Seems to me he is going to come out of this just fine thank you.

That's a very high estimate. If he sees eight figures, he'll have done well. And that's before lawyer fees. Most likely, any settlement amount will be undisclosed.

 

[Doug B]

Adam Beasley-MIAMI HERALD saying Martin forked out $100,000 to Incognito.

MOP -- Dippa and I were discussing this amount upthread, trying to confirm it. Did Beasley commit this to print anywhere, or was he on the radio/TV?

 

[GregR]

I'm going to reiterate this again. There are multiple sources now including Incognito's own statements that suggest what he and possibly other members of the team were doing was completely over the line, beyond any reasonable bounds of "sports hazing".

The problem is Incognito's actions towards rookies. If Martin stood up to Incognito, would that put a stop to other players being driven close to being broke, or having their credit card stolen to buy jet skis?

No, it wouldn't.

Martin not standing up to Incognito is not the issue here. Incognito's behavior towards his teammates is. Martin wouldn't have fixed the issue standing up to him physically. He would have just shifted Incognito's cross hair to other teammates.

 

[msommer]

Any idea what kind of financial gain Martin could get for taking this to trial? I would assume he would be black balled from the league if he did something like this, so he could probably forget about another contract.

I think Mr. Martin is going to be compensated adequately for his troubles. And part of the damages awarded would include the obvious loss of income / loss of reputation that came along with having to blow the whistle on this thing. Just a guess, but we could be looking at anywhere between $25 million and $100 million in compensatory damages alone.What really cracks me up is all the people who criticize Martin for not handling this well, or not "fighting back". Oh he hit em back alright - not in the face but in an area that hurts a whole lot more - in their wallets. Seems to me he is going to come out of this just fine thank you.

That's a very high estimate. If he sees eight figures, he'll have done well. And that's before lawyer fees. Most likely, any settlement amount will be undisclosed.

If the "culture" bothers him so much, why would this not be considered a win? He projects to be a journeyman RT so far, he would not be commanding top dollar anyway - why not get it all in one go and not have to spend another five to eight years in a work situation he doesn't care for? And likely live a healthier life, maybe even longer. Seems like a winner to me.

 

[Leroy Hoard]

"Going incognito" has acquired a new meaning.

Great title for the mini-series. Too bad Chris Farley isn't alive to play Incognito

Closest I could come up with was while espn was showing that PSA that Incognito made for the Dolphins.

The fat guy from Mike & Molly.

 

[Doug B]

Incognito said he took Tannehill's credit card and used it to buy the jet skis because he felt Tannehill owed the OL for protecting him.

Simple theft, eh? Albert Connell was booted off the Saints for stealing over $4,000 (walking-around money?) from a Deuce McAllister's wallet. McAllister declined to press charges, but Connell's career was done.

 

[SWC]

hey greg martin did stand up to him in a major way maybe not the way some would like but if you think that what martin did was not standing up then i disagree look at the light on this issue now and do you think it ever happens again hell no it does not so martin stood up and he stood up big time and it worked not all heros show up wearing a cape take that to the bank brohans

 

[General Tso]

Any idea what kind of financial gain Martin could get for taking this to trial? I would assume he would be black balled from the league if he did something like this, so he could probably forget about another contract.

I think Mr. Martin is going to be compensated adequately for his troubles. And part of the damages awarded would include the obvious loss of income / loss of reputation that came along with having to blow the whistle on this thing. Just a guess, but we could be looking at anywhere between $25 million and $100 million in compensatory damages alone.What really cracks me up is all the people who criticize Martin for not handling this well, or not "fighting back". Oh he hit em back alright - not in the face but in an area that hurts a whole lot more - in their wallets. Seems to me he is going to come out of this just fine thank you.

That's a very high estimate. If he sees eight figures, he'll have done well. And that's before lawyer fees. Most likely, any settlement amount will be undisclosed.

Maybe the ceiling is a bit high, but I think the floor of $25 million is solid. His loss of earnings alone would probably be in this range, and with all the horrible evidence that will probably be unearthed they wouldn't dare go to trial for fear of large punitive damages. So he would have an extraordinary position of leverage even with an out of court settlement. The guy won't have to work another day in the NFL.

 

[Quez]

I'm not sticking up for Incognito, but I think the Dolphins & the NFL have promoted this type of culture. I think it would be awfully easy & convenient to dump 100% of the blame on Incognito, when this crap has probably been going on in the NFL for years.

I also don't think this would be as big of an issue if "cyber bullying" wasn't such a relevant topic right now.

 

[Doug B]

Maybe the ceiling is a bit high, but I think the floor of $25 million is solid. His loss of earnings alone would probably be in this range, and with all the horrible evidence that will probably be unearthed they wouldn't dare go to trial for fear of large punitive damages. So he would have an extraordinary position of leverage even with an out of court settlement. The guy won't have to work another day in the NFL.

And this -- cold cash money -- has the power to change NFL locker-room culture.

 

[General Tso]

I'm not sticking up for Incognito, but I think the Dolphins & the NFL have promoted this type of culture. I think it would be awfully easy & convenient to dump 100% of the blame on Incognito, when this crap has probably been going on in the NFL for years.

I also don't think this would be as big of an issue if "cyber bullying" wasn't such a relevant topic right now.

True, but the use of the "N" word in and of itself guaranteed that this would be a major story. Nobody in here is talking about that now, but you can bet that it's going to be another huge aspect of this story. You don't have to look very far in this story to find a whole lot of repulsive conduct. And I have a feeling there's much more to come. The floodgates are going to open on Incognito. After Aaron Hernandez, you can bet the NFL is going to crucify this type of thuggery going forward.

 

[Doug B]

I'm not sticking up for Incognito, but I think the Dolphins & the NFL have promoted this type of culture. I think it would be awfully easy & convenient to dump 100% of the blame on Incognito, when this crap has probably been going on in the NFL for years.

You're very right that it's not a one-person "crime", and you're right that the NFL has been decidely negligent toward these issues. The league's internal culture has not nearly been apace with society at large.

But, like Bountygate, what some teams used to do and what used to be OK will not matter. A hard line will be drawn, and the league will dare anyone to cross is going forward.

EDIT: Also like Bountygate, there will be an essentially over-blamed poster boy -- remember this? Incognito will be the cover page this time.

 

[Doug B]

True, but the use of the "N" word in and of itself guaranteed that this would be a major story.

As things unfold, though ... the content of that text really just looks like it's been employed as a PR weapon to force Miami's hand into disciplining Incognito. Otherwise, it could have just been revealed in court.

 

[glock]

Hey, Greg Martin did stand up to him in a major way. Maybe not the way some would like, but if you think that what Martin did was not standing up- then I disagree. Look at the light on this issue now. Do you think it ever happen again? Hell, no! It does not. So, Martin stood up and he stood up big time. And it worked! Not all heroes show up wearing a cape. Take that to the bank, brohans.

I just had to do it once.

 

[Quez]

I'm not sticking up for Incognito, but I think the Dolphins & the NFL have promoted this type of culture. I think it would be awfully easy & convenient to dump 100% of the blame on Incognito, when this crap has probably been going on in the NFL for years.

I also don't think this would be as big of an issue if "cyber bullying" wasn't such a relevant topic right now.

True, but the use of the "N" word in and of itself guaranteed that this would be a major story

I think the NFL also needs to take a better stance on not supporting the use of the "N" word. For example, they have multiple advertisers that employ people like Kanye West & other Hip-hop artist who use the word on a regular basis.

People who have done NFL halftime shows like Niki Minaj, M.I.A, Cee Lo, Beyonce, & P-Diddy have all used or been on albums where the "N" word is used.

 

[Bamac]

Any idea what kind of financial gain Martin could get for taking this to trial? I would assume he would be black balled from the league if he did something like this, so he could probably forget about another contract.

I think Mr. Martin is going to be compensated adequately for his troubles. And part of the damages awarded would include the obvious loss of income / loss of reputation that came along with having to blow the whistle on this thing. Just a guess, but we could be looking at anywhere between $25 million and $100 million in compensatory damages alone.What really cracks me up is all the people who criticize Martin for not handling this well, or not "fighting back". Oh he hit em back alright - not in the face but in an area that hurts a whole lot more - in their wallets. Seems to me he is going to come out of this just fine thank you.

That's a very high estimate. If he sees eight figures, he'll have done well. And that's before lawyer fees. Most likely, any settlement amount will be undisclosed.

Maybe the ceiling is a bit high, but I think the floor of $25 million is solid. His loss of earnings alone would probably be in this range, and with all the horrible evidence that will probably be unearthed they wouldn't dare go to trial for fear of large punitive damages. So he would have an extraordinary position of leverage even with an out of court settlement. The guy won't have to work another day in the NFL.

Proving causation and damages is not trivial. Much of this depends on how much the Dolphins knew and when they knew it. Not much info on that right now. Plus, to get the big bucks, Martin would have to prove he's too emotionally scarred to return to the NFL. That's a tough sell. And Martin may have a pretty strong incentive to avoid litigation (more precisely, discovery) too. Everyone has stuff they'd rather not make public.

Not saying your estimate is unreasonable. I just think it's on the high end.

 

[LittlePhatty]

Interesting fact: Tannehill has been sacked more than any other QB this season (35 times).
Maybe he didn't pay enough extortion money to the O-Line.
I guess a Jet Ski wasn't enough.

Incognito Allegedly Took Tannehill's Credit Card To Buy A Jet Ski?

 

[Dondante]

Martin is soft and smart. Incognito is hard and dumb. Incognito persists in going over the line and instead of immediately seeking help, Martin decides instead to seek revenge. The amount of blind agreement with and protection of Martin is fantastically pathetic. I love the way many of you use the 'innocent until proven guilty' as it suits your political leanings no matter how misguided, in much the same way you're using the 'NFL is a traditional workplace' argument. I mean, grow the hell up.

Once again we clear the road for the weak and chop the strong down at the knee and never look back. Pathetic.

 

[Two Deep]

Any idea what kind of financial gain Martin could get for taking this to trial? I would assume he would be black balled from the league if he did something like this, so he could probably forget about another contract.

I think Mr. Martin is going to be compensated adequately for his troubles. And part of the damages awarded would include the obvious loss of income / loss of reputation that came along with having to blow the whistle on this thing. Just a guess, but we could be looking at anywhere between $25 million and $100 million in compensatory damages alone.

What really cracks me up is all the people who criticize Martin for not handling this well, or not "fighting back". Oh he hit em back alright - not in the face but in an area that hurts a whole lot more - in their wallets. Seems to me he is going to come out of this just fine thank you.

Except he has to live with most people (men) thinking he is a momma's boy sissy. How is that going to be for his self -esteem. Again the simple solution was to stand up to Icognito and fight. No better way to bring to the coaches attention the injustice he was suffering than to fight your teammate in the locker room, bus, airplane cafeteria etc. Coaches wouldn't have missed that. "Hey Martin why are you pummeling Incognito"? "Because he is a biggoted, racist who extorted money from me and I'm sick of it. And coach, if you don't take care of the problem I'm going to do this daily. Problem solved..manhood intact.

 

[Philogelos]

How many times does it have to be explained? This is not about bullying and this is not about hazing.

This is a workplace harassment issue, which is covered by federal employment laws. Martin's "complaint" is against his employer - the NFL and the Dolphins - for not doing anything to stop the harassment and creating a "hostile work environment". Incognito's stupidity is just evidence in support of Martin's claim - nothing more. The Dolphins actions towards Incognito demonstrate that they are in full on damage control and have had an "Oh ****!" moment internally with their lawyers.

Martin does not have to defend himself because he is protected by federal law.

He is not a wuss for choosing to exercise his legal rights.

It couldn't be handled "in house" because the claim is against the house itself for creating the hostile work environment.

The locker room culture does not excuse repeated racial abuse, threats of violence, or extortion. These are professionals being paid to do a job. The same federal laws/protections (not an anti-trust issue) apply to NFL locker rooms, offices, and warehouses.

My highlighting. This post needs to not be buried at the bottom of a page.

Changed the post's font to Comic Sans for effect.

 

[Dondante]

I'm not sticking up for Incognito, but I think the Dolphins & the NFL have promoted this type of culture. I think it would be awfully easy & convenient to dump 100% of the blame on Incognito, when this crap has probably been going on in the NFL for years.

I also don't think this would be as big of an issue if "cyber bullying" wasn't such a relevant topic right now.

True, but the use of the "N" word in and of itself guaranteed that this would be a major story

I think the NFL also needs to take a better stance on not supporting the use of the "N" word. For example, they have multiple advertisers that employ people like Kanye West & other Hip-hop artist who use the word on a regular basis.

People who have done NFL halftime shows like Niki Minaj, M.I.A, Cee Lo, Beyonce, & P-Diddy have all used or been on albums where the "N" word is used.

You have lost your mind. Any other words you'd like to police out of grown men's mouths?

 

[Lydia]

I'm not sticking up for Incognito, but I think the Dolphins & the NFL have promoted this type of culture. I think it would be awfully easy & convenient to dump 100% of the blame on Incognito, when this crap has probably been going on in the NFL for years.

I also don't think this would be as big of an issue if "cyber bullying" wasn't such a relevant topic right now.

Just because there's some piss in the shark pool doesn't mean that you don't kick someone out for dropping their pants and laying down a steamer.

Whether or not rookie hazing is generally something that happens in the NFL, the consensus opinion is that Incognito crossed the line. Whatever was defined as "ok" he blew right past it.

There's also an issue that generally hazing is a rather light rite of passage. Incognito was terrorizing and bankrupting guys. Totally different things.

 

[Lydia]

Martin is soft and smart. Incognito is hard and dumb. Incognito persists in going over the line and instead of immediately seeking help, Martin decides instead to seek revenge. The amount of blind agreement with and protection of Martin is fantastically pathetic. I love the way many of you use the 'innocent until proven guilty' as it suits your political leanings no matter how misguided, in much the same way you're using the 'NFL is a traditional workplace' argument. I mean, grow the hell up.

Once again we clear the road for the weak and chop the strong down at the knee and never look back. Pathetic.

Stinky bait.

 

[Bob Magaw]

"Going incognito" has acquired a new meaning.

Great title for the mini-series. Too bad Chris Farley isn't alive to play Incognito

Closest I could come up with was while espn was showing that PSA that Incognito made for the Dolphins.

The fat guy from Mike & Molly.

dynamo from the running man is gone, too.

 

[Dondante]

Martin is soft and smart. Incognito is hard and dumb. Incognito persists in going over the line and instead of immediately seeking help, Martin decides instead to seek revenge. The amount of blind agreement with and protection of Martin is fantastically pathetic. I love the way many of you use the 'innocent until proven guilty' as it suits your political leanings no matter how misguided, in much the same way you're using the 'NFL is a traditional workplace' argument. I mean, grow the hell up.

Once again we clear the road for the weak and chop the strong down at the knee and never look back. Pathetic.

Stinky bait.

Typical FBG response.

 

[Statorama]

If Martin doesn't have proof he talked to Philbin about this, his settlement will be in the six figure range

Edit to add : ESPN reporting that Martin did not report the alleged behavior to Philbin

 

[Dondante]

If Martin doesn't have proof he talked to Philbin about this, his settlement will be in the six figure range

If he doesn't have proof he talked to Philbin there shouldn't be any settlement.

 

[mphtrilogy]

his mom is legal counsel for toyota.. this should be interesting...

His father, Gus Martin, is associate dean of the College of Business Administration and Public Policy at California State University, Dominguez Hills. His mother, Jane Howard-Martin, is an assistant general counsel for Toyota.

 

[General Tso]

Martin is soft and smart. Incognito is hard and dumb. Incognito persists in going over the line and instead of immediately seeking help, Martin decides instead to seek revenge. The amount of blind agreement with and protection of Martin is fantastically pathetic. I love the way many of you use the 'innocent until proven guilty' as it suits your political leanings no matter how misguided, in much the same way you're using the 'NFL is a traditional workplace' argument. I mean, grow the hell up.

Once again we clear the road for the weak and chop the strong down at the knee and never look back. Pathetic.

I totally disagree with everything you say, but I have to admit - in a weird sort of way I like the the way you say it. In particular - "fantastically pathetic". I respect your passion.

 

[Bob Magaw]

Martin is soft and smart. Incognito is hard and dumb. Incognito persists in going over the line and instead of immediately seeking help, Martin decides instead to seek revenge. The amount of blind agreement with and protection of Martin is fantastically pathetic. I love the way many of you use the 'innocent until proven guilty' as it suits your political leanings no matter how misguided, in much the same way you're using the 'NFL is a traditional workplace' argument. I mean, grow the hell up.

Once again we clear the road for the weak and chop the strong down at the knee and never look back. Pathetic.

supporting death threats, racial slurs and extortion makes for a stronger america!

 

[Statorama]

If Martin doesn't have proof he talked to Philbin about this, his settlement will be in the six figure range

If he doesn't have proof he talked to Philbin there shouldn't be any settlement.

You'll get no argument from me on what it should be

 

[fatness]

A degree from an elite academic school can make a player a magnet for bullying from teammates in the National Football League, according to a former Harvard University linebacker who spent seven seasons in the NFL.

http://www.sfgate.com/business/bloomberg/article/NFL-Players-With-Elite-College-Degrees-Become-4956081.php

“I’m surprised it hasn’t happened sooner,” said Kacyvenski, who holds a master’s degree in business administration from Harvard and now directs sports business at the biomedical technology company MC10 Inc. in Cambridge, Massachusetts. “This is a wakeup call for a lot of people. I was made fun of for a lot of reasons. Only in the NFL can a Harvard degree have negative consequences.”

 

[Statorama]

his mom is legal counsel for toyota.. this should be interesting...

His father, Gus Martin, is associate dean of the College of Business Administration and Public Policy at California State University, Dominguez Hills. His mother, Jane Howard-Martin, is an assistant general counsel for Toyota.

Figures his mom is the type of broad that hyphenates her last name

 

[JAMES!]

Is it OK to say they're both to blame? Incognito's a meat head and they didn't name Martin Big Weirdo for nothing.

 

[fatness]

Miami Dolphins offensive lineman Richie Incognito has been suspended from the team, and his jersey now appears to have been suspended from the team's online store.

Gone.

 

[Dondante]

Martin is soft and smart. Incognito is hard and dumb. Incognito persists in going over the line and instead of immediately seeking help, Martin decides instead to seek revenge. The amount of blind agreement with and protection of Martin is fantastically pathetic. I love the way many of you use the 'innocent until proven guilty' as it suits your political leanings no matter how misguided, in much the same way you're using the 'NFL is a traditional workplace' argument. I mean, grow the hell up.

Once again we clear the road for the weak and chop the strong down at the knee and never look back. Pathetic.

I totally disagree with everything you say, but I have to admit - in a weird sort of way I like the the way you say it. In particular - "fantastically pathetic". I respect your passion.

I'll take that. You don't have to agree with me; I'm not selling and you're not buying. But there's a lot going on here that we don't know and a lot of conclusions being jumped to... Like Olympic triple-jumping.

 

[Neofight]

his mom is legal counsel for toyota.. this should be interesting...

His father, Gus Martin, is associate dean of the College of Business Administration and Public Policy at California State University, Dominguez Hills. His mother, Jane Howard-Martin, is an assistant general counsel for Toyota.

Figures his mom is the type of broad that hyphenates her last name

I appreciate your ability to take a conversation to new lows. I'd missed this not spending as much time in the FFA these last few seasons. Well done.

 

[Two Deep]

Is it OK to say they're both to blame? Incognito's a meat head and they didn't name Martin Big Weirdo for nothing.

Nope, if you don't condem Incognito for his actions and support Martin's choice of action, you are a brutish neanderthal.

 

[BassNBrew]

Any idea what kind of financial gain Martin could get for taking this to trial? I would assume he would be black balled from the league if he did something like this, so he could probably forget about another contract.

I think Mr. Martin is going to be compensated adequately for his troubles. And part of the damages awarded would include the obvious loss of income / loss of reputation that came along with having to blow the whistle on this thing. Just a guess, but we could be looking at anywhere between $25 million and $100 million in compensatory damages alone.

What really cracks me up is all the people who criticize Martin for not handling this well, or not "fighting back". Oh he hit em back alright - not in the face but in an area that hurts a whole lot more - in their wallets. Seems to me he is going to come out of this just fine thank you.

Except he has to live with most people (men) thinking he is a momma's boy sissy. How is that going to be for his self -esteem. Again the simple solution was to stand up to Icognito and fight. No better way to bring to the coaches attention the injustice he was suffering than to fight your teammate in the locker room, bus, airplane cafeteria etc. Coaches wouldn't have missed that. "Hey Martin why are you pummeling Incognito"? "Because he is a biggoted, racist who extorted money from me and I'm sick of it. And coach, if you don't take care of the problem I'm going to do this daily. Problem solved..manhood intact.

I'm glad my 15 yo step son has more maturity than you. Surprising a kid at that age is more mature than many supposed results around here.

 

[LittlePhatty]

his mom is legal counsel for toyota.. this should be interesting...

His father, Gus Martin, is associate dean of the College of Business Administration and Public Policy at California State University, Dominguez Hills. His mother, Jane Howard-Martin, is an assistant general counsel for Toyota.

Figures his mom is the type of broad that hyphenates her last name

Translation: "Intellijent women make me uncomfortable, so I'll put them down and hope the low IQ crowd will laugh at my cleverness."

 

[BassNBrew]

his mom is legal counsel for toyota.. this should be interesting...

His father, Gus Martin, is associate dean of the College of Business Administration and Public Policy at California State University, Dominguez Hills. His mother, Jane Howard-Martin, is an assistant general counsel for Toyota.

Figures his mom is the type of broad that hyphenates her last name

Figures you root for LSU.

 

[ConnSKINS26]

Martin is soft and smart. Incognito is hard and dumb. Incognito persists in going over the line and instead of immediately seeking help, Martin decides instead to seek revenge. The amount of blind agreement with and protection of Martin is fantastically pathetic. I love the way many of you use the 'innocent until proven guilty' as it suits your political leanings no matter how misguided, in much the same way you're using the 'NFL is a traditional workplace' argument. I mean, grow the hell up.

Once again we clear the road for the weak and chop the strong down at the knee and never look back. Pathetic.

It seems like you think you said something profound here. You didn't.

 

[Dondante]

Is it OK to say they're both to blame? Incognito's a meat head and they didn't name Martin Big Weirdo for nothing.

Of course it is. They ARE both to blame. As is the coaching staff and I would imagine most of the team.

 

[Sinn Fein]

I think Incognito is being unfairly scapegoated.

I don't think the voice mail is nearly as bad as it is being portrayed. And. while this may have been a hostile work environment for a fortune 500 boardroom, I don't think it constitutes a hostile work environment in an NFL locker room.

 

[Two Deep]

Any idea what kind of financial gain Martin could get for taking this to trial? I would assume he would be black balled from the league if he did something like this, so he could probably forget about another contract.

I think Mr. Martin is going to be compensated adequately for his troubles. And part of the damages awarded would include the obvious loss of income / loss of reputation that came along with having to blow the whistle on this thing. Just a guess, but we could be looking at anywhere between $25 million and $100 million in compensatory damages alone.

What really cracks me up is all the people who criticize Martin for not handling this well, or not "fighting back". Oh he hit em back alright - not in the face but in an area that hurts a whole lot more - in their wallets. Seems to me he is going to come out of this just fine thank you.

Except he has to live with most people (men) thinking he is a momma's boy sissy. How is that going to be for his self -esteem. Again the simple solution was to stand up to Icognito and fight. No better way to bring to the coaches attention the injustice he was suffering than to fight your teammate in the locker room, bus, airplane cafeteria etc. Coaches wouldn't have missed that. "Hey Martin why are you pummeling Incognito"? "Because he is a biggoted, racist who extorted money from me and I'm sick of it. And coach, if you don't take care of the problem I'm going to do this daily. Problem solved..manhood intact.

I'm glad my 15 yo step son has more maturity than you. Surprising a kid at that age is more mature than many supposed results around here.

Whatever Gandhi

 

[Dondante]

Martin is soft and smart. Incognito is hard and dumb. Incognito persists in going over the line and instead of immediately seeking help, Martin decides instead to seek revenge. The amount of blind agreement with and protection of Martin is fantastically pathetic. I love the way many of you use the 'innocent until proven guilty' as it suits your political leanings no matter how misguided, in much the same way you're using the 'NFL is a traditional workplace' argument. I mean, grow the hell up.

Once again we clear the road for the weak and chop the strong down at the knee and never look back. Pathetic.

It seems like you think you said something profound here. You didn't.

Does this mean we can't be friends?

 

[JAMES!]

A few years ago we'd have heard nothing about this. Now that we're living in the age of hypersensitivity, the dolphins have to have a press conference to formally address the issue and talk about the steps they're taking. How about getting these two guys in a room and telling one of them to cut the crap and have them shake hands and play football?

has peta/bob costas complained about the Dolphins nickname yet?

 

[Acrobat7]

where do all these posters come from? crawl back under your rocks please. thank you.

 

[fatness]

Gen. Charles Krulak, set about changing the culture of a 170,000-person organization where pinning and "blood striping" (kneeing a newly promoted corporal in the thigh until he couldn't walk) were common at promotion ceremonies. His order, in part, reads:

This is a leadership issue. This is a warfighting issue. Marines do not go into harm’s way, make the sacrifices they always have, or give up their precious lives because they have been hazed or initiated into some self-defined, "elite" sub-culture. They perform these heroic acts of selflessness because they are United States Marines and because they refuse to let their fellow Marines down.

Marines are also our most precious asset. We will protect them through fair, scrupulous, and unbiased treatment as individuals — caring for them, teaching them, leading them. It is the obligation of each member of the chain of command, from top to bottom, to ensure that this sense of fairness is constant and genuine. Every Marine will treat every other Marine with dignity and respect.

This was written 16 years ago, and the Marine Corps still struggles with occasional hazing incidents; there are still echoes from older Marines about how the Corps has gotten "soft," how it "babies" young Marines by not allowing NCOs the freedom to abuse and debase their brothers and sisters in arms. People who went through the hazing rituals prop them up as traditions worth keeping for the sole reason that they're tradition

former NFL tight end Jeremy Shockey recounted his hazing experience to FoxSports' Peter Schrager:

I’ve been to dinners where I’ve seen rookies spend $30,000. $30,000! When I was a rookie, I had to buy donuts every morning from Krispy Kreme. Every Saturday and every Friday, I bought coffee. No problem."

Former quarterback Boomer Esiason admirably spoke out against hazing in a video for SI.com, calling it "a ridiculous tradition."

"If you wanna have the rookies take you out to dinner and you want to give them a check, that's one thing — but only one time. After that, they become part of your family. And the fact that Jonathan Martin has had to deal with this for two years is absolutely ridiculous."

Until Martin left the Dolphins, the most common story regarding hazing in the NFL was one typically written by beat writers: the rookies were given silly haircuts or tossed in ice baths or taped to the field goal, and it was a great way to blow off steam at the end of training camp. These anecdotes will be trotted out by hazing apologists as team-building exercises, and they'll all be full of ####. The hazing doesn't make them a part of a team; the training does.

http://www.sbnation.com/2013/11/5/5065834/jonathan-martin-richie-incognito-dolphins-rookie-hazing