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Dorial Green-Beckham (2 Viewers)
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EBF
Footballguy
Seeing as Beckham averaged 100+ receiving yards per game last year, I'm going to say that's unlikely.
Unless he's the best WR in the history of the NFL, his stats are highly unlikely to ever consistently "blow them both out the water."
ShamrockPride
Footballguy
cstu
Footballguy
Hankmoody
Footballguy
You went from blow Green out of the water to might be a little tougher in two posts. How much backpedaling will you be able to do in 5 years? You might end up a younger guy by then.
JackReacher
Footballguy
Right now I have him 1.4, shading Parker and White. Would like to see him land in a strong organization.
ShamrockPride
Footballguy
I'm not backpedaling. I stick to blowing OBJ out. Green's a superior talent to OBJ (tho that's for another thread), so it naturally makes sense that DGB and Green will be closer as WRs. Is that hard to understand? Not saying it's impossible, just tougher than OBJ.
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Sabertooth
Footballguy
Character issues have derailed players like this for me. Just seems like Josh Gordon redux. No thanks.
ShamrockPride
Footballguy
Warpig
Footballguy
The bad thing is we havent heard positive or negative words on him since he got to Oklahoma. He might be another DHB. Most of his stats (when he actually has played) were padded against cupcake teams. He's struggled against better DBs historically. The NFL is full of "better DBs". I'll pass until late in the draft. There's been plenty of tall, "fast" WRs that have washed out of the league within 3 years. He doesn't have the mental capacity or the discipline to do what it takes at this point. So therefore, he's not worth a 1st or 2nd round pick in rookie drafts.
Faust
MVP
Why the Seahawks should draft Dorial Green-Beckham:
http://www.fieldgulls.com/2015/2/7/7995369/why-the-seahawks-should-draft-dorial-green-beckham
http://www.fieldgulls.com/2015/2/7/7995369/why-the-seahawks-should-draft-dorial-green-beckham
Faust
MVP
Scouting The Draft: Dorial Green-Beckham, WR, Oklahoma
http://www.ganggreennation.com/2015/1/17/7558553/scouting-the-draft-dorial-green-beckham-wr-oklahoma
Dorial Green-Beckham 2015 NFL Draft scouting report:
http://www.buffalorumblings.com/2015/2/6/7987783/dorial-green-beckham-2015-nfl-draft-scouting-report
http://www.ganggreennation.com/2015/1/17/7558553/scouting-the-draft-dorial-green-beckham-wr-oklahoma
Dorial Green-Beckham 2015 NFL Draft scouting report:
http://www.buffalorumblings.com/2015/2/6/7987783/dorial-green-beckham-2015-nfl-draft-scouting-report
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Grahamburn
Footballguy
The list of players who are washing out of the league for character problems is getting pretty long. NFL GM's are going to stop taking early pick chances on these guys.
massraider
Footballguy
I think it's madness to consider this guy a 1st round pick.
Mom was a crackhead. She almost killed him in the womb with drugs. He was adopted by his high school head coach. Doesn't know his biological father.
Arrested twice for pot-related issues at Mizzou, one of which involved a pound of weed in the car.
Finally dismissed after a broken dorm door, and an 18 year-old girl shoved down some stairs.
Obviously what he needs is a million dollar signing bonus, and no one to answer to.
ILUVBEER99
Footballguy
he looks stiff to me and his cuts are slow and lumbering.
Not sure he's a good fit for the NFL outside of a run as fast as possible down the field and throw it up to him type.
Not sure he's a good fit for the NFL outside of a run as fast as possible down the field and throw it up to him type.
Run It Up
Footballguy
massraider
Footballguy
ConnSKINS26
Footballguy
Serious question: how many of these chronic head cases DGB is being compared to have been able to go an entire year without shooting themselves in the foot? No idea what NFL teams will think when they interview him/check his background, but it's got to count for something that he was practicing all season at a major program on a zero-tolerance deal and was never in the news once.
It's possible DGB is more Dez than Gordon.
His on-field ability is still in question, I agree with those who don't find his tape particularly special. Talking purely off-field here.
Pwingles
Footballguy
Having trouble understanding how the things you point out about his parents and adoption have anything to do.... With anythingYou realize the same morons who have dgb mocked anywhere from the 1st to 3rd round are the same morons that have winston mocked as pick 1.01. Despite, "off the field issues"I think it's madness to consider this guy a 1st round pick. Mom was a crackhead. She almost killed him in the womb with drugs. He was adopted by his high school head coach. Doesn't know his biological father.
Arrested twice for pot-related issues at Mizzou, one of which involved a pound of weed in the car.
Finally dismissed after a broken dorm door, and an 18 year-old girl shoved down some stairs.
Obviously what he needs is a million dollar signing bonus, and no one to answer to.
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massraider
Footballguy
There's a good chance taking Winston is a mistake as well.
The circumstances surrounding his childhood matter for the same reasons NFL teams look into that stuff.
Who will help him make good decisions? There's no support staff, really no one in his personal life that cares about him.
Also, he's a WR. Good ones are available every year, tall good ones are available every year, good free agents available every year. This isn't a QB, or a stud DE, or a shutdown CB.
From a football perspective, not a fantasy one, taking this guy in the 1st round is pretty foolish.
The circumstances surrounding his childhood matter for the same reasons NFL teams look into that stuff.
Who will help him make good decisions? There's no support staff, really no one in his personal life that cares about him.
Also, he's a WR. Good ones are available every year, tall good ones are available every year, good free agents available every year. This isn't a QB, or a stud DE, or a shutdown CB.
From a football perspective, not a fantasy one, taking this guy in the 1st round is pretty foolish.
He has had some issues in the past but not for nothing as a condition of enrolling at OU he had to agree to drug testing, continue rehabilitation, and was under a zero tolerance policy with dismissal for one failed drug test which I assume never happened because he never got dismissed.
ConnSKINS26
Footballguy
This is what I'm saying. That has to count for something when you're talking about how bad his off-field concerns are. Not many of these chronic knuckleheads can keep clean and off the radar for an entire year.
massraider
Footballguy
Passing a drug test is just one part of it. There's no test for smacking women, or for driving in a car with a pound of weed.
One year is one year. A lot of players have held it together for one year, gotten their money, then fell apart.
The scary part is, that's the best thing he has going for him, from a character standpoint: 'Haven't messed up this year!'
One year is one year. A lot of players have held it together for one year, gotten their money, then fell apart.
The scary part is, that's the best thing he has going for him, from a character standpoint: 'Haven't messed up this year!'
ConnSKINS26
Footballguy
Were Gordon, Blackmon, or Dez able to stay out of the news for a year early in their careers (or now)? It's not much, but it means that when put into a no-tolerance, no do-overs scenario with his future at stake he walked the line and we didn't hear a peep. That's more than you can say about Gordon, for example.
doowain
Footballguy
And this stuff is on him? Pretty weak.I think it's madness to consider this guy a 1st round pick.
Mom was a crackhead. She almost killed him in the womb with drugs. He was adopted by his high school head coach. Doesn't know his biological father.
Arrested twice for pot-related issues at Mizzou, one of which involved a pound of weed in the car.
Finally dismissed after a broken dorm door, and an 18 year-old girl shoved down some stairs.
Obviously what he needs is a million dollar signing bonus, and no one to answer to.
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massraider
Footballguy
And this stuff is on him? Pretty weak.I think it's madness to consider this guy a 1st round pick.
Mom was a crackhead. She almost killed him in the womb with drugs. He was adopted by his high school head coach. Doesn't know his biological father.
Arrested twice for pot-related issues at Mizzou, one of which involved a pound of weed in the car.
Finally dismissed after a broken dorm door, and an 18 year-old girl shoved down some stairs.
Obviously what he needs is a million dollar signing bonus, and no one to answer to.
It's not 'on him' in the sense that it's his fault.And this stuff is on him? Pretty weak.I think it's madness to consider this guy a 1st round pick.
Mom was a crackhead. She almost killed him in the womb with drugs. He was adopted by his high school head coach. Doesn't know his biological father.
Arrested twice for pot-related issues at Mizzou, one of which involved a pound of weed in the car.
Finally dismissed after a broken dorm door, and an 18 year-old girl shoved down some stairs.
Obviously what he needs is a million dollar signing bonus, and no one to answer to.
But when trying to assess risk, you're dang right that it matters, and is a negative mark in a scouting report. Feel free to pretend it doesn't matter.
doowain
Footballguy
There is risk he busts as an NFL WR because he doesn't know his biological father? And his mom was a crack head?massraider said:doowain said:And this stuff is on him? Pretty weak.I think it's madness to consider this guy a 1st round pick. Mom was a crackhead. She almost killed him in the womb with drugs. He was adopted by his high school head coach. Doesn't know his biological father.
Arrested twice for pot-related issues at Mizzou, one of which involved a pound of weed in the car.
Finally dismissed after a broken dorm door, and an 18 year-old girl shoved down some stairs.
Obviously what he needs is a million dollar signing bonus, and no one to answer to.It's not 'on him' in the sense that it's his fault.doowain said:And this stuff is on him? Pretty weak.I think it's madness to consider this guy a 1st round pick. Mom was a crackhead. She almost killed him in the womb with drugs. He was adopted by his high school head coach. Doesn't know his biological father.
Arrested twice for pot-related issues at Mizzou, one of which involved a pound of weed in the car.
Finally dismissed after a broken dorm door, and an 18 year-old girl shoved down some stairs.
Obviously what he needs is a million dollar signing bonus, and no one to answer to.
But when trying to assess risk, you're dang right that it matters, and is a negative mark in a scouting report. Feel free to pretend it doesn't matter.
Are you just making ignorant statements or do you have examples to back this up?
massraider
Footballguy
What I believe is that when the NFL tries to predict whether a guy with a history of drug problems and violence towards women can pull it together,ONE THING they will look for a support network that will help him mature.
He is about to be a 22-year-old kid with 6 figures in the bank. Where does he go in the offseason? Who helps him manage his money?
It's not his FAULT he's the product of a messed-up childhood, but that frankly doesn't matter to NFL teams. It's the hand he's dealt, and if NFL teams can't find a responsible adult within 20 miles of him, that's going to be seen as a negative.
I also have no idea if he doesn't have someone like that already. Perhaps his football coach/adoptive father is that person. Perhaps his older brother is. Or maybe his high school coach couldn't care less now that he's not helping that guy's career, and maybe his older brother is an opportunist that just wants to cash in.
Donnybrook
Footballguy
I believe the factors that sold New England on Aaron Dobson was his intelligence.
Patriots are know for their complicated playbook. So I won't be mocking DGB to the Patriots.
voiceofunreason
Footballguy
Faust
MVP
Dorial Green-Beckham one of two 'boom or bust' prospects:
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000470645/article/dorial-greenbeckham-one-of-two-boom-or-bust-prospects
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000470645/article/dorial-greenbeckham-one-of-two-boom-or-bust-prospects
Hankmoody
Footballguy
"I watched every target to him in 2013, and he has no idea what he's doing, but he changes games," Mayock said.
Run It Up
Footballguy
Pretty scathing evaluation for someone whos watched every one of his targets, dude has a very brief college career and has more than a handful of huge plays in addition to highpointing defenders at will."I watched every target to him in 2013, and he has no idea what he's doing, but he changes games," Mayock said.
comfortably numb
Footballguy
massraider
Footballguy
I haven't, at all.
My stance is: I think it's madness to consider him a 1st round pick.
Xue
Footballguy
Sarlakticacid
Footballguy
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ConnSKINS26
Footballguy
3:00 video showing DGB's combine prep, etc.
http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-network-total-access/0ap3000000470808/On-the-Clock-Dorial-Green-Beckham
Looks smooth out there, huge hands, much more built than his tape at Missouri. Seems focused, I could see him winning over a couple teams in interviews and convincing them to take him high.
http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-network-total-access/0ap3000000470808/On-the-Clock-Dorial-Green-Beckham
Looks smooth out there, huge hands, much more built than his tape at Missouri. Seems focused, I could see him winning over a couple teams in interviews and convincing them to take him high.
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Warpig
Footballguy
Off the field concerns are one thing...but I'm still trying to find game tape where he CONSISTENLY takes over a game or befuddles opposing CBs. Hell, everyone has a "highlight" reel. My family are huge Missouri fans and they never really mentioned DHB (oops...Freudian slip!) as a guy to watch. As I posted previously...he disappears against better talent. Doesn't have the ability to just overtake a game. He's another Blaine Gabbert...sure looks purdy in shorts! But good luck to him if he makes millions for basically being tall.
ShamrockPride
Footballguy
He'd be far from the first. Speed + Height + Physique will always be big money in this league. Just the way it is.Warpig said:
Faust
MVP
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