Draft Order Selection : a different approach? (1 Viewer)

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Background: 12 team $120 office league PPR and 1 keeper (keep in round drafted : advances one round each year).

We traditionally had simply pulled names from a hat to pick draft order each year. I'm aware many leagues use reverse order of finish as well. We had a guy throw out a different approach that I thought added a nice wrinkle...

Draft order determined by quality of keeper.

If you want to keep Arian foster: fine, but you're picking last. Want to pick first? Keep a lower rated guy.

Keepers submitted via sealed envelope and opened/read at a outing. Adds an element of strategy, and creates some good drama for the draft order selection party. Player quality based on yahoo's projections using our scoring.... I know it's not optimal but it's simplicity given our league is hosted w yahoo.

Maybe not the best idea for serious leagues... And is limited to keep 1 leagues (somewhat), but I like the idea.

Thoughts?

 

[Eminence]

I let my dog choose.

It's not a bad idea but how do you determine the value of everyone's keeper? Hard to get 12 guys to unanimously agree on the value of one guy, let alone everyone's keeper.

Look at the 1st Round of a redraft. After the first 5 pick it is like splitting hairs value-wise.

 

[Instinctive]

Ehh, seems as good as any. We aggregate your record over the past 3 years and you get a name in the hat for each loss. The order drawn from the hat is the order in which you select your draft position - this year, I'm sure the first pick picked will be the third pick. I believe it is technically called Kentucky Derby Selection...but we didn't know that back when we started doing it haha,

 

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I let my dog choose.It's not a bad idea but how do you determine the value of everyone's keeper? Hard to get 12 guys to unanimously agree on the value of one guy, let alone everyone's keeper.

I thought this was explained pretty clearly In the first post. Since it is a yahoo-hosted league we agreed to use thier projections. The numbers are clearly laid out for all to see.

 

[DropKick]

Background: 12 team $120 office league PPR and 1 keeper (keep in round drafted : advances one round each year). We traditionally had simply pulled names from a hat to pick draft order each year. I'm aware many leagues use reverse order of finish as well. We had a guy throw out a different approach that I thought added a nice wrinkle...Draft order determined by quality of keeper.If you want to keep Arian foster: fine, but you're picking last. Want to pick first? Keep a lower rated guy. Keepers submitted via sealed envelope and opened/read at a outing. Adds an element of strategy, and creates some good drama for the draft order selection party. Player quality based on yahoo's projections using our scoring.... I know it's not optimal but it's simplicity given our league is hosted w yahoo. Maybe not the best idea for serious leagues... And is limited to keep 1 leagues (somewhat), but I like the idea. Thoughts?

Hate is a strong word but I've always hated playing games with the "keeper". It makes so much more sense to simply keep your best player(s) and draft on a level playing field. It appears that you want a system that encourages keeping a lesser player to obtain a higher draft slot. Why should the quality of my keeper determine draft position? Isn't the intent to build a strong team? If people can't handle a team with strong keeper(s), maybe they should just play redraft. Using last year's finish makes lots of sense if you're keeping more players. But if just keeping one (what's the point?), it becomes much less appropriate. I think your best bet is random draw.

 

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Part of the logic behind the move is there are 3-4 dead money players who were actively campaigning to do away with the keeper, saying it gives some players an unfair advantage. This was devised as a means to placate them a bit while also addressing our draft order selection where those same people were campaigning for a "reverse of last years finish" (which I agree makes no sense in a non dynasty league). This seemed to make everyone happy so we are going to give it a shot.

Frankly, I am keeping the best value player (based on skill level and what round I can keep them in). IMO keeping an ADP 4th rounder instead of a 1st rounder just to move up 4-5 slots in the first round is silly. I'll be keeping Cam late regardless of where he is in the Yahoo rankings because I think that gives me the best chance to. 3peat.

 

[Eminence]

I let my dog choose.It's not a bad idea but how do you determine the value of everyone's keeper? Hard to get 12 guys to unanimously agree on the value of one guy, let alone everyone's keeper.

I thought this was explained pretty clearly In the first post. Since it is a yahoo-hosted league we agreed to use thier projections. The numbers are clearly laid out for all to see.

Sorry, I missed that. In that case it's not a bad idea but the point in my first post still stands. Yahoo's projections are probably much different than what your league thinks the value of certain players are. If given the choice I would rather have an inverse of last years standings / randomize the first half + randomize the second half.

 

[fightingillini]

In one of my redraft leagues, the teams that didn't make the playoffs the previous year get to select their draft position.....7th place team chooses first, to last place team choosing fourth. Then the remaining 6 teams fill in the leftover draft slots by random draw. In my league, the top 3 slots and pick 9 (pick 6 has won 5 of the last 10 years) will be gone before the random draw.

 

[Monsters of the Midway]

We go reverse order of finish, I think it is the best way to do it

 

[the next level]

I like this idea, props to you for originality. I've never been a big fan of awarding draft positions based on worst-to-first in the previous season because you don't want to give someone an incentive to lose/throw a game at ANY point in the season in an attempt to set themselves up for next year. Especially not late in a fantasy season when playoff races are affected.

Similarly, I've heard of leagues using other designs for determining next year's draft order based on contests separate from the in-season fantasy results. Such as an NFL pick 'em contest or post-season fantasy competition.