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Red Hot Tamales
Footballguy
Found this little blurb dated August 1st.
Looks like Brackins is losing some ground while nursing his hamstring. J.R. Russell is the one I'm keeping an eye on. So far the news on him looks encouraging.
Lombardi's Orphan Son
Footballguy
i would like to agree with you about Cadillac at #1 but i think he will be mired in RBBC this year and many years to come as long as he is with Gruden. all reports out of training camp indicate it as does Gruden's history. those who pick Cadillac will be frustrated when he is pulled.i will always pick a RB who is going to stay on the field all 3 downs and at the goaline over one in an RBBC situation.BTW, i think this is the best post on the board.-Orphan
thanks for the kind words.this is a chicken or egg thing. did gruden go RBBC because he never had a complete back, or did he never have a complete back because he loves RBBC. at first i was on the fence, but now im thinkin thats its the former - and now that gruden has a complete back, he wont hesitate to use him in all facets of the game. for this year, sure pittman may take some catches, alstott some short yardage work, but long term i think caddy is a 3 down guy.
ConstruxBoy
Kate's Daddy
Bloom, have you heard any more anout Wimbush in Jacksonville?
he hasnt fallen far on my rankings, but someone had to go to make room for the new guys. he had some fumble problems, but also had some strong runs. thats all ive heard so far. if he can stick on the roster he's a great DEEP sleeper for this year because i think he's got a real nice profile for a "move the chains" back.
ConstruxBoy
Kate's Daddy
Thanks Bloom!
tommyboy
Footballguy
oh what a dilemma I have here on Sunday with my deep dynasty league draft.i have the #1 overall pick. our drafts amount to the first 10 picks being rookies and then the next 60 -80 being retreads. so I'm stuck trying to figure out whether to take Cadillac Williams or JJ Arrington. I have to rule out both Ronnie Brown and Cedric Benson as I have a personal policy of not wasting #1 picks on holdouts.I'm leaning to Cadillac but being a West Coaster and knowing how good JJ Arrington is, while being pretty ignorant of Cadillac in college, I'm drafting this year virtually blind.I think I might just trade down here.
tommyboy
Footballguy
we'll see. I made an offer to trade down for Kevin Jones plus Larry Johnson (i have Priest Holmes) plus the #9 pick, for one of my QB's (Brees or Brooks) plus the #1 pick and the guy hasn't said no yet.I also just traded for Ben Rothlisberger for my 2nd round pick (#11 overall). I'm happy to get a young starting QB for a 2nd round pick, I think Roth has the skillz to be a top 15 fantasy QB for 10 years plus.Take Caddy.
Kub
Footballguy
Agreed. While Denny's endorsment means a lot, I still have my reservations about J.J. The player I keep coming back to as a comparison is Kevin Faulk. Faulk came out with similar hype to a team that had no dominant RB, and has accomplished little more than being a decent 3rd down back. I found a draft profile on Faulk when he came out of LSU, when he was drafted #46 overall."Multi-purpose back with good hip swerve & agility...Dangerous returner who patiently waits for his blocks to develop...Very elusive through the holes, showing the ability to make multiple cuts... Finishes strong & is a solid-effort blocker...Catches smoothly & displays dynamic acceleration turning the corner...Recently timed at 4.57 in the 40-yard dash...Holds the school’s career-record with 4557 yards & 46 touchdowns rushing, topping the previous marks of 4050 yards & 44 scores by Dalton Hilliard (1982-85)...His 856 carries rank second in LSU annals behind Hillard’s 882... Only player in school annals to rush for over 1000 yards in a season three times in a career."Take Caddy.
Hmm, sound like anyone we know of? Too many similarities for me to consider him over Caddy. While I personally wouldn't, I can understand a case being made for him over Benson or Brown(holdouts and more established players in front of them).
Kub
Footballguy
He hasn't said no, but I'm betting he will. You're asking for a king's ransom there.I like the move for Roethlisberger. You get a QB you know can play well in the league for a pick that would land you Alex Smith or one of the second tier RBs. If you need the QB, it seems like a no-brainer.
Weiner Dog
Footballguy
It'll be difficult/impossible to keep Morency at #20 with DD's new contract extension...
Texans | Davis Lands $8 million in Guaranteed Money
Sat, 6 Aug 2005 09:55:13 -0700
ESPN.com's Len Pasquarelli, as an update to previous stories, reports the contract extension Houston Texans RB Domanick Davis received is a four-year deal, keeping him under contract through 2009. Davis, who was in the last year of his previous contract, will receive $22 million, including $8 million in guaranteed money.
Texans | Davis Lands $8 million in Guaranteed Money
Sat, 6 Aug 2005 09:55:13 -0700
ESPN.com's Len Pasquarelli, as an update to previous stories, reports the contract extension Houston Texans RB Domanick Davis received is a four-year deal, keeping him under contract through 2009. Davis, who was in the last year of his previous contract, will receive $22 million, including $8 million in guaranteed money.
I'd start moving Edwards down if he dosn't get his #### into camp soon. WRs have no idea of the difference in complexity in the pro game from the college game, and especially no concept of how much better even mediocre NFL CBs are compared to their counterparts in college.
Missing so much time is really going to hinder Edwards this year, IMO, with possible ramifications extending another 2-3 seasons.
I'd also chime in on Jacobs - he has looked good in camp so far in his role as a short yardage RB and has even made a couple of dazzling catches out of the backfield. People might want to start taking a little harder look at him - especially in dynasty leagues given Barber's situation.
On another note, good move on moving Rodgers up. I'd put him a bit further up the list if it were my doing, since his biggest knock in college was that he locked in on one receiver and that he now apparently is learning to go through his progression & is starting to look off DBs.
Complete disclosure - I drafted Jacobs in the 4th round of a 14 team IDP dynasty draft in May & have no stake in Edwards or Rodgers whatsoever
Missing so much time is really going to hinder Edwards this year, IMO, with possible ramifications extending another 2-3 seasons.
I'd also chime in on Jacobs - he has looked good in camp so far in his role as a short yardage RB and has even made a couple of dazzling catches out of the backfield. People might want to start taking a little harder look at him - especially in dynasty leagues given Barber's situation.
On another note, good move on moving Rodgers up. I'd put him a bit further up the list if it were my doing, since his biggest knock in college was that he locked in on one receiver and that he now apparently is learning to go through his progression & is starting to look off DBs.
Complete disclosure - I drafted Jacobs in the 4th round of a 14 team IDP dynasty draft in May & have no stake in Edwards or Rodgers whatsoever
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edwards value is dropping for sure because its becoming less likely that he can make an immediate contribution - still he's the most complete WR in the 2005 crop and the most likely to end up a fantasy #1 WR in my eyes. Its going to be hard to bump any of the WR ahead of him. If Moats continues to impress, he could vault ahead of him. Gore being hurt makes it unlikely he will pass edwards for now. My initial take on Jacobs was wrong and he's gaining momentum in the rankings.
Renegades of Funk
Footballguy
I stand by my initial impression from watching the combine. Jacobs looked terrible in the cutting/agility drills. He's not going to be making people miss, he is just a masher. He has some value because he will get some TD's in short yardage, but I can't see him being productive in a feature role. If he is forced into full time action because of injury I predict a whole lot of 2 or 3 yard gains and a cloud of dust.
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Jacobs will never be a full-timer in the NFL. He didn't carry a full load here at Southern Illinois either (50/50 split)Best description is above: A masher who isn't going to make guys miss. He could be one of the best vultures in the coming years, but I would of liked to see him switched to a linebacker. I imagine they probably at least considered it at Auburn.I think if you're looking at Jacobs to be a full-timer in the NFL, you'll be real disappointed.
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thats about where ive got him, but i had him about 10 spots lower to begin with and i thought there was no chance he could be a primary backup. now i think that if barber went down, the giants would at least entertain the idea of making jacobs a feature back based on what he's shown so far. i was also afraid that he could get converted to D, but that clearly isnt happening now.
nightshift
Footballguy
I think there's a better chance that Cloud or Ward would step up into the starter's role.
moats is built low strong and fast - similar build to barry sanders. he's got tremendous vision and cutting ability and is a natural runner. his low center of gravity makes it very hard to take him down. i think he's going to be successful whenever he gets his shot, whether thats this year, or further down the line.
Moats making believers out of Eagles
Moats, a 5-foot-8, 210-pound bundle of energy, has been running with equal amounts of power and finesse for the Eagles so far in training camp at Lehigh University. He breaks tackles, runs around defenders, changes directions instinctively and catches the ball like he's been in a West Coast offense all his life when, in fact, his first taste did not come until his first pro minicamp earlier this year.
The running back's motor is fueled by his powerful legs, particularly his thighs. His toughness is instinctive.
He's been called "one of the smallest, strongest, quickest guys I have ever seen," by quarterback Donovan McNabb, a "piece of gristle," by offensive coordinator Brad Childress and a "pretty exciting player," by head coach Andy Reid.
And considering 76 players were selected before the Eagles snatched Moats in the third round of this year's NFL draft, he's beginning to look like quite a steal as well.
Yesterday, with Brian Westbrook still holding out and Correll Buckhalter still unable to practice due to a knee bruise, it meant more exposure than usual for Moats, who continued to dazzle fans and players alike while working with the second unit.
"Even though I'm not typical size for a big back or anything, it's all about heart," Moats said. "You have to fight for that one yard or whatever it is."
The biggest obstacle Moats faces on the road to becoming a complete pro player is the system he's in.
"The playbook is like an encyclopedia," he said. "It's kind of hard to put a number on where I'm at because, some days, I may come out and be perfect, some days, I may not. I'm just trying to get it to where it's second nature. It's not quite second nature yet. You still have to think just a little bit."
Though Moats didn't catch the ball much in college at Louisiana Tech, he believes he actually is further along as a receiver than a ballcarrier with the Eagles.
Considering he was a finalist for the Doak Walker award as a senior, when he set school records for carries (288), rushing yards (1,774) and touchdowns (18), that is a scary thought.
Moats finished his college career with 3,176 rushing yards and 28 TDs on 499 carries.
"My running right now is what I'm trying to get settled down because I'm so anxious to do stuff," Moats said. "I'm hopping outside before I should, I'm doing stuff that I shouldn't do right now. It's the same type of thing I did in college when I was just coming in. I was anxious to pop outside instead of reading it more.
"So I'm kind of getting my reading down here on these plays, which is a little different than I did in college, running-wise."
Added Reid: "He's doing a nice job picking it up. There is a lot we are throwing at him, but he is working at it and getting better. When we get ready for the game, we will narrow it down, simplify it for all the young guys and they can concentrate on going out there and playing and not being so worried about formations and so on."
Moats, a 5-foot-8, 210-pound bundle of energy, has been running with equal amounts of power and finesse for the Eagles so far in training camp at Lehigh University. He breaks tackles, runs around defenders, changes directions instinctively and catches the ball like he's been in a West Coast offense all his life when, in fact, his first taste did not come until his first pro minicamp earlier this year.
The running back's motor is fueled by his powerful legs, particularly his thighs. His toughness is instinctive.
He's been called "one of the smallest, strongest, quickest guys I have ever seen," by quarterback Donovan McNabb, a "piece of gristle," by offensive coordinator Brad Childress and a "pretty exciting player," by head coach Andy Reid.
And considering 76 players were selected before the Eagles snatched Moats in the third round of this year's NFL draft, he's beginning to look like quite a steal as well.
Yesterday, with Brian Westbrook still holding out and Correll Buckhalter still unable to practice due to a knee bruise, it meant more exposure than usual for Moats, who continued to dazzle fans and players alike while working with the second unit.
"Even though I'm not typical size for a big back or anything, it's all about heart," Moats said. "You have to fight for that one yard or whatever it is."
The biggest obstacle Moats faces on the road to becoming a complete pro player is the system he's in.
"The playbook is like an encyclopedia," he said. "It's kind of hard to put a number on where I'm at because, some days, I may come out and be perfect, some days, I may not. I'm just trying to get it to where it's second nature. It's not quite second nature yet. You still have to think just a little bit."
Though Moats didn't catch the ball much in college at Louisiana Tech, he believes he actually is further along as a receiver than a ballcarrier with the Eagles.
Considering he was a finalist for the Doak Walker award as a senior, when he set school records for carries (288), rushing yards (1,774) and touchdowns (18), that is a scary thought.
Moats finished his college career with 3,176 rushing yards and 28 TDs on 499 carries.
"My running right now is what I'm trying to get settled down because I'm so anxious to do stuff," Moats said. "I'm hopping outside before I should, I'm doing stuff that I shouldn't do right now. It's the same type of thing I did in college when I was just coming in. I was anxious to pop outside instead of reading it more.
"So I'm kind of getting my reading down here on these plays, which is a little different than I did in college, running-wise."
Added Reid: "He's doing a nice job picking it up. There is a lot we are throwing at him, but he is working at it and getting better. When we get ready for the game, we will narrow it down, simplify it for all the young guys and they can concentrate on going out there and playing and not being so worried about formations and so on."
tommyboy
Footballguy
I had the draft today, and yes I did trade out of the #1 slot. I traded that pick plus Drew Brees for Kevin Jones and Larry Johnson in my dynasty league. current roster:
A Brooks
B Rothlisberger
P Holmes
K Jones
K Barlow
L Johnson
F Taylor
K Faulk
O Smith (SOD)
T Holt
D Jax
N Burleson
A Randel El
L Evans
A Davis
F Jones (ouch)
B Troupe
D Akers
J Wilkins
Bears
Colts
Packers
Bengals
have to cut 2 prior to game 1 (21 man rosters)
I'm pretty happy. I'm rock solid at RB for years to come, probably also at WR. I will be scouring the waiverwire for a TE or QB, and now that Freddie Jones retired, I'm probably forced to make a trade for a TE.
tommyboy
Footballguy
by the way, as for our Draft, here is the order of the first 4 picks (rookie draft)1-C Williams2- JJ Arrington3-R Brown4- C Bensonthe reason i traded out of Carnell Williams was I'm positive he'll end up in RBBC under Gruden. Arrington I think is the guy that will put up the best overall rookie numbers. R Brown and C Benson being late to camp, I think they'll struggle, or be 2nd half bloomers.
Renegades of Funk
Footballguy
You can bump back up Thurman. Landon Johnson has moved to strong side to take over for Pollack. Pollack obviously gets another bump down.
http://www.bengals.com/press/news.asp?iCur...=0&news_id=3047
http://www.bengals.com/press/news.asp?iCur...=0&news_id=3047
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nightshift
Footballguy
excellent work. I sent a positive note to Zeus Byrant, high atop FBG Mt. Olympus, on your behalf for this very post.Neither of us have been struck by lightning,so it must have been well received.
If only I had bought one of his boats instead a Regal
I'd call that highway robbery if I was in that league!I recently traded out of the 1.02 in a 14 team league for much of the same reasons though. While all three of the big RB's could be potentail studs down the line, I don't see any of the three contributing much this year until the 2nd half. I jumped on the opportunity to trade the 1.02 and Travis Henry for Edgerrin James. Combine him with D. Davis and R. Johnson and I should be a force to be reckoned with this season.
The Man With No Name
Footballguy
Bloom, this needs changed--23. Charlie Frye- "Frye responded well in a scrimmage in Municipal Stadium."Uh, Municipal Stadium is at the bottom of Lake Erie.Keep an eye on NYG cornerback Corey Webster. He is competing for a starters spot against Will Allen and also as punt returner.
Avery
Footballguy
Last Giant draft pick to sign and late arrival to camp.I like him as a prospect, but by all reports he is currently looking lost and getting beat by WRs who won't make the team.
Currently 5th CB behind Will Allen, Will Peterson, Frank Walker and Curtis Deloatch. I expect he may move up the depth chart, but he's a long way from competing for a starting spot.
ILoveMyLions
Footballguy
Nice Job! I espeically like the value rising, falling and steady comments to give good indication.Also, do you think now is the time to deal a guy like Moats while his value is high before a long term deal with Philly is or isn't reached. Obviously, his value would be higher next year if Westbrook walks, but should we take the value and run at this point?
I espeically like the value rising, falling and steady comments to give good indication.Also, do you think now is the time to deal a guy like Moats while his value is high before a long term deal with Philly is or isn't reached. Obviously, his value would be higher next year if Westbrook walks, but should we take the value and run at this point?I figured adding the value movement would help because sometimes news isnt enough to merit a rise or drop, but is still worth noting in their value. The Moats call is tough. Its a great time to deal him to the westbrook owner. Still I have to say I have liked Moats talent the best out of the 2nd tier backs for a while, i was just cautious with him (#12 for a while) waiting to see how the westbrook situation turned out. all reports on him out of camp are unanimously good and im willing to take him top 10 on talent alone and sit on him at this point. ill push him back down to 12 if westbrook signs a long term, but honestly im pretty sold that moats will be a startable fantasy RB at some point in the future - talent will find opportunity.Nice Job!
I espeically like the value rising, falling and steady comments to give good indication.
Also, do you think now is the time to deal a guy like Moats while his value is high before a long term deal with Philly is or isn't reached. Obviously, his value would be higher next year if Westbrook walks, but should we take the value and run at this point?
Colin Dowling
Footballguy
I thinnkd Bradley played very well last night, as did Orton. Granted, it was against a 2nd/3rd team Defense, but its a lot more encouraging then if they each hadn't made it to the stat-sheet at all.Colin
