Dynasty Value Discussion Thread (6 Viewers)

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But as Chad and Jordan discussed on a show earlier this year related to Adams, the trade value of these older receivers starts to fall off a cliff. So that two firsts now is maybe 1 as he’s 29/30 next year. Maybe it’s not even that? How do you separate the Julio/ Andre Johnson fall off a cliff receiver from the Marvin Harrison catching 100 balls at 34?

I don't play in Superflex, but feel I can address the aging receiver conundrum.  Generally, the mark for me on a premier WR is age 31.  After that, I don't want them.  I realize, you can still get another year or 2 but would rather not give away first round picks for an aging asset/dice roll.  

What is working against you? 

Receiver contracts - teams may be quicker to give a guy the boot toward the end of his contract because of cost.

Younger receivers playing at a high level - think about a lot of the premier players at the position.  A lot of those guys were drafted in the last 2 drafts (jury is still out on this year's crop).  League owners are going to be more willing to invest draft capital in the late 1st for a guy and think they can get the same production of a 30+ year old vet.

What is working for you?

Diggs has arguably 3 more years of production on one of the most pass heavy teams.  I think a competing team would want that. 

I'd steer less away from the two 1st round picks price tag and lean toward an underperformed first (Jerry Jeudy or someone like him) and a first.  The potential of a first rounder always drives a higher price than a pick assigned to a player.  I'd take a young WR that hasn't quite hit excellence yet + 2023 1st for Diggs.  Depends on if that is your comfort level too.

 

[JFS171]

I don't play in Superflex, but feel I can address the aging receiver conundrum.  Generally, the mark for me on a premier WR is age 31.  After that, I don't want them.  I realize, you can still get another year or 2 but would rather not give away first round picks for an aging asset/dice roll.  

What is working against you? 

Receiver contracts - teams may be quicker to give a guy the boot toward the end of his contract because of cost.

Younger receivers playing at a high level - think about a lot of the premier players at the position.  A lot of those guys were drafted in the last 2 drafts (jury is still out on this year's crop).  League owners are going to be more willing to invest draft capital in the late 1st for a guy and think they can get the same production of a 30+ year old vet.

What is working for you?

Diggs has arguably 3 more years of production on one of the most pass heavy teams.  I think a competing team would want that. 

I'd steer less away from the two 1st round picks price tag and lean toward an underperformed first (Jerry Jeudy or someone like him) and a first.  The potential of a first rounder always drives a higher price than a pick assigned to a player.  I'd take a young WR that hasn't quite hit excellence yet + 2023 1st for Diggs.  Depends on if that is your comfort level too.

Appreciate the thoughts. To your last point, if I’d take Jeudy and a random 2023 1, wouldn’t I likewise take Garret Wilson, Jameson Williams, or Olave and a 1 this year that I could potentially parlay into a 2 this year and that same random 2023 1? 

Maybe that parlay will be more difficult to execute than I think, but a late 1 in the current draft almost always is able to fetch a 1 the following season and then some.

In my particular case, I think the owner of 1.3 and 1.12 (who also has four seconds) would happily trade 1.3 and 2023 1, but he already dealt his 2023 1. 

To some extent, this is always about the specific player. Diggs to me has another 3 years as a WR1, as you and I both agree. His production could be longer than that as he’s doing this outside and can still slide into the slot as he ages and smash. All this to say I don’t see Diggs aging like Julio or even Keenan Allen, but I’m acutely aware that I don’t really know anything, especially the future. 

 

[InDitkaWeTrust]

Appreciate the thoughts. To your last point, if I’d take Jeudy and a random 2023 1, wouldn’t I likewise take Garret Wilson, Jameson Williams, or Olave and a 1 this year that I could potentially parlay into a 2 this year and that same random 2023 1? 

Maybe that parlay will be more difficult to execute than I think, but a late 1 in the current draft almost always is able to fetch a 1 the following season and then some.

In my particular case, I think the owner of 1.3 and 1.12 (who also has four seconds) would happily trade 1.3 and 2023 1, but he already dealt his 2023 1. 

To some extent, this is always about the specific player. Diggs to me has another 3 years as a WR1, as you and I both agree. His production could be longer than that as he’s doing this outside and can still slide into the slot as he ages and smash. All this to say I don’t see Diggs aging like Julio or even Keenan Allen, but I’m acutely aware that I don’t really know anything, especially the future. 

I think you're underestimating the value of the 2023 draft.  It's solid 12-14 deep with several potential superstars in the upper tier of the draft. People are not coming off those picks like they have in the past.  You're very unlikely to trade 1.12 for a 2023 1st, even if it's a late pick.

 

[Gally]

I think you're underestimating the value of the 2023 draft.  It's solid 12-14 deep with several potential superstars in the upper tier of the draft. People are not coming off those picks like they have in the past.  You're very unlikely to trade 1.12 for a 2023 1st, even if it's a late pick.

I was coming in to say something very similar.  You can throw out the usual 1st round draft value for the 2023 draft as everyone has seemed to join in on the "2023 is the best draft ever I must hoard first round picks" mantra.  It has really skewed pick value for the next couple years.  

 

[InDitkaWeTrust]

1QB, 2RB, 3WR, 1TE, 3FLEX league contender and my perception is that I really need to upgrade my WR room.  I don't have a definitive Alpha WR on the team, and a lot of dart throws (in my eyes) with the following guys:

Hollywood
A Robinson
G Wilson
C Ridley (S)
D Parker
G Davis
A Lazard
M Gallup
S Shepherd

All that said, who are you guys, as contenders, targeting as VALUE alpha WRs in your leagues?  Thielen?  M Thomas? Kupp? AJ Brown?  Others?

 

[Gally]

All that said, who are you guys, as contenders, targeting as VALUE alpha WRs in your leagues?  Thielen?  M Thomas? Kupp? AJ Brown?  Others?

Here are my takes:

• Kupp:  I don't think he  is going to be a value to trade for him unless you luck out.   I think most guys want full value in return to part with him.
  
• Brown: If you have the right  owner and you think he will be just fine you may find value there (I personally would stay away). 
  
• Thielen:   should be had really cheap and I like that acquisition.  Most owners are trying to just get something for him.  
  
• Thomas:  Probably the biggest risk/reward of the bunch.  How much of a value play is going to depend on the owner who has him.  Some may just want to be free of him and others may die on the vine and ride him out.
  

Some added ideas:

• Tyreek:  Depending on the owner he might be soured on him in his new spot and will sell at a discount.
  
• Gage:  I like him with Godwin out and think he will put up strong WR2 numbers.  
  
• Adams:  Another alpha that I think will do just fine but some owners may not like the change of scenery.  Worth a nibble to see the temperature.  
  

 

[TVT 0 N S T A]

To your last point, if I’d take Jeudy and a random 2023 1, wouldn’t I likewise take Garret Wilson, Jameson Williams, or Olave.

In my particular case, I think the owner of 1.3 and 1.12 (who also has four seconds) would happily trade 1.3 and 2023 1, but he already dealt his 2023 1.  

I think that depends on your trade partner.  Generally, what I've seen is people are less likely to trade a new player, because they haven't seen the production yet but if you feel better about a Wilson, Williams or Olave then that should be your initial offer + '23 first.  Personally, I like targeting a guy I was high on when they were drafted and remain high on them and then adding more picks.  

But the strategy is whatever the market allows and whatever you're willing to accept.  

I waited a year too long with Julio and regret being so staunch with my offers, because look at him now.  I definitely think you have a minimum of 3 more years of prime-Diggs and that should help your cause.

 

[TVT 0 N S T A]

1QB, 2RB, 3WR, 1TE, 3FLEX league contender and my perception is that I really need to upgrade my WR room.  I don't have a definitive Alpha WR on the team, and a lot of dart throws (in my eyes) with the following guys:

Hollywood
A Robinson
G Wilson
C Ridley (S)
D Parker
G Davis
A Lazard
M Gallup
S Shepherd

All that said, who are you guys, as contenders, targeting as VALUE alpha WRs in your leagues?  Thielen?  M Thomas? Kupp? AJ Brown?  Others?

I think your WR room is fine.

I expect Lazard, Hollywood, A. Rob and Gabriel Davis to all have a nice year.  You can upgrade but I think you have viable options.  

 

[Birdie048]

INSIGHT REQUESTED

12 Team, 1 QB, 1-3RB, 2-5WR, 1-3 TE, PK, DST (Basically 2 Flex spots) -->  0.5 PPR RB & WR, 1.0 PPR TE, 6 pt all TD

League is voting / Plans are to go Super Flex in 2024 --> add 2 Flex (1 Super) & eliminate the PK slot

I am in full re-build planning around youth and 2023 picks (four 1sts & two 2nds). 

QB Assets:  Jameis Winston NOS, Carson Wentz WAS & Matt Ryan INDY

How do you "plan" a rebuild when the league is changing so drastically? 

Do you look at building QB assets now (pre-emptive)?  Risking it not passing Vote?

Do you move 2023 assets to build QB now? 

 I am looking for any advice or input to "adjust my rebuild" to fit the new potential SF. 

 

[Gally]

INSIGHT REQUESTED

12 Team, 1 QB, 1-3RB, 2-5WR, 1-3 TE, PK, DST (Basically 2 Flex spots) -->  0.5 PPR RB & WR, 1.0 PPR TE, 6 pt all TD

League is voting / Plans are to go Super Flex in 2024 --> add 2 Flex (1 Super) & eliminate the PK slot

I am in full re-build planning around youth and 2023 picks (four 1sts & two 2nds). 

QB Assets:  Jameis Winston NOS, Carson Wentz WAS & Matt Ryan INDY

How do you "plan" a rebuild when the league is changing so drastically? 

Do you look at building QB assets now (pre-emptive)?  Risking it not passing Vote?

Do you move 2023 assets to build QB now? 

 I am looking for any advice or input to "adjust my rebuild" to fit the new potential SF. 

It may not be a drastic change.  That depends on the scoring system.  Will QB be the overwhelming must play at the SF spot or did your league adjust scoring so QB's aren't the dominating play (which is the right answer)?

Your rebuild essentially begins in next years draft.  You already have four 1sts and it is supposed to be a QB class so you start there.  You will likley not be able to acquire worthwhile QB's already in the NFL as everyone is going to start hoarding them in anticipation of the move.  I would target some younger less hyped starting QB's that have lost a bit of value.  Guys like Baker, Tannehill, Goff that are serviceable but don't have the hype.  You can get by with those until your 2023 rookies kick in.   That would be my approach.  

 

[InDitkaWeTrust]

INSIGHT REQUESTED

12 Team, 1 QB, 1-3RB, 2-5WR, 1-3 TE, PK, DST (Basically 2 Flex spots) -->  0.5 PPR RB & WR, 1.0 PPR TE, 6 pt all TD

League is voting / Plans are to go Super Flex in 2024 --> add 2 Flex (1 Super) & eliminate the PK slot

I am in full re-build planning around youth and 2023 picks (four 1sts & two 2nds). 

QB Assets:  Jameis Winston NOS, Carson Wentz WAS & Matt Ryan INDY

How do you "plan" a rebuild when the league is changing so drastically? 

Do you look at building QB assets now (pre-emptive)?  Risking it not passing Vote?

Do you move 2023 assets to build QB now? 

 I am looking for any advice or input to "adjust my rebuild" to fit the new potential SF. 

I wouldn't make a move until the vote is complete.  Then, you can start working.  with 4 23 1sts, you should be able to grab a franchise QB as well as some other young assets.  As above mentioned, that's the first place to start.  If you have aging vets that can be used by contenders, then look for young, promising WRs and assets that should get you into 2026 easily.

 

[higgins]

You’re in a good position “as is” with the extra 2023 picks. The only thing I would “adjust” is to go all in via trying to ensure the 2023 assets you have are as early as possible:   pair a 1st & 2nd to get what is likely to be an earlier 1st? 

 

[Birdie048]

I wouldn't make a move until the vote is complete.  Then, you can start working.  with 4 23 1sts, you should be able to grab a franchise QB as well as some other young assets.  As above mentioned, that's the first place to start.  If you have aging vets that can be used by contenders, then look for young, promising WRs and assets that should get you into 2026 easily.

THANKS!  Sensible advice.  Move Matt Ryan & 

I tried to build a young "promising WR Corp" .... Since our league can start 5 WR, it made sense in rebuild efforts. 

Indy Parris Campbell & Alec Pierce (2.02)

GB Romeo Doubs (3.05)

ATL Bryan Edwards 

TEN Dez Fitzpatrick

LAC Josh Palmer

WAS Curtis Samuel

JAX Laviska Shenault

FWIW: I also have ATL Calvin Ridley & HOU John Mitchie III (2.03 pick in May) and I plan to try to hold him 

 

[smbkrypt24]

Wanted to get peoples thoughts on a couple polarizing players. 12 team PPR 1 QB.
I offered:
My- Lamb, Henderson
For his- G. Davis, Scrub (filler), 2023 1st late, 2023 1st (late)

He countered:
My- Lamb, Henderson
For his- G. Davis, scrub, 2023 1st (late), 2023 2nd (late)

Couple points. I have Lamb as a stud and now number one target on his team. Davis I am hopeful for especially after reading the G Davis thread yesterday , but don’t want to pay up for hype.

 

[titusbramble]

How much value have Dameon Pierce and Brian Robinson gained? I'm happy to have drafted both, but if I can turn one and a surplus 2023 pick (have two seconds, two thirds) into a 2023 first I'd probably do it

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Gage: I like him with Godwin out and think he will put up strong WR2 numbers.

Godwin may not miss any games?

 

[smbkrypt24]

How much value have Dameon Pierce and Brian Robinson gained? I'm happy to have drafted both, but if I can turn one and a surplus 2023 pick (have two seconds, two thirds) into a 2023 first I'd probably do it

I love making those kind of moves (combining a bunch of assets for a better asset). I think it will be hard for you to do right now before actual games are played. Preseason hype is mixed with real news. If a league mate buys into all the hype of these players you could swing it. I find it easier after actual games are played, the spot the player was drafted in the rookie draft means less and less.

 

[Birdie048]

Wanted to get peoples thoughts on a couple polarizing players. 12 team PPR 1 QB.
I offered:
My- Lamb, Henderson
For his- G. Davis, Scrub (filler), 2023 1st late, 2023 1st (late)

He countered:
My- Lamb, Henderson
For his- G. Davis, scrub, 2023 1st (late), 2023 2nd (late)

Couple points. I have Lamb as a stud and now number one target on his team. Davis I am hopeful for especially after reading the G Davis thread yesterday , but don’t want to pay up for hype.

Getting 2x1sts for Lamb alone is a fine plan. Getting "hot hand" Gabriel Davis right now is tricky since he is having a good preseason.
Lamb will be the clear Dallas WR1 and get majority of targets. You can try to get him to add another 2nd/or young asset since the drop from 1st to 2nd bothers you.

 

[Birdie048]

How much value have Dameon Pierce and Brian Robinson gained? I'm happy to have drafted both, but if I can turn one and a surplus 2023 pick (have two seconds, two thirds) into a 2023 first I'd probably do it

As an owner of NEITHER, I would consider paying a LATE 2023 1st for BOTH if I got back another asset, like a 2023 3rd or young TE. But what do I know ...

 

[Gally]

Godwin may not miss any games?

Didn't know that on July 25th when I posted that.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Godwin may not miss any games?

Didn't know that on July 25th when I posted that.

My bad - didn't look at the dates - just opened this thread for first time since the new board's been up.

 

[The Tahitian Facemask]

Price check on Terry McLaurin. 1QB, PPR. Qb, rb, rb, wr, wr,te,flex,k,d. Salary cap, contract league

Team A gives: McLaurin low cap # through ‘26

Team B gives: ‘23 first, ‘23 third, 2 dead roster spots/low cap #

Team A not contending. Has WR covered otherwise. Team B contending. Thoughts?

 

[sheerterror]

Price check on Terry McLaurin. 1QB, PPR. Qb, rb, rb, wr, wr,te,flex,k,d. Salary cap, contract league

Team A gives: McLaurin low cap # through ‘26

Team B gives: ‘23 first, ‘23 third, 2 dead roster spots/low cap #

Team A not contending. Has WR covered otherwise. Team B contending. Thoughts?

I recently tried to acquire him for Elijah Mitchell, Tyler Huntley (Jackson owner) and Nico Collins. On the lighter side but was hoping to get negotiations started. Got a reject and no counter.

 

[Lehigh98]

I'm new to a superflex best ball league and I'm starting with a productive struggle year with a good shot at 1.01 in 2023. One of the top teams just lost Trey Lance and is waiting on the return of Deshaun Watson. His only other QBs are Cousins and Mayfield. I just offered Kyler Murray (and Marcus Mariota) for Lance, Watson and his (probably end of the) 1st. Crazy? Asking too much? What would make this a fair deal for both sides?

 

[titusbramble]

I'm also contemplating making a move for Lance (SF obv) as I have some draft capital to use so thoughts on new valuation would be useful

 

[kutta]

I'm new to a superflex best ball league and I'm starting with a productive struggle year with a good shot at 1.01 in 2023. One of the top teams just lost Trey Lance and is waiting on the return of Deshaun Watson. His only other QBs are Cousins and Mayfield. I just offered Kyler Murray (and Marcus Mariota) for Lance, Watson and his (probably end of the) 1st. Crazy? Asking too much? What would make this a fair deal for both sides?

I think it’s very fair. I’m not a Lance fan though. And who knows how Watson will come back and play. Kyler is probably the best asset, but if this gets you his first and helps secure the 1.01 for you, seems like a good fair move to me.

 

[InDitkaWeTrust]

Anyone selling high on Tyreek given his (and Tua's explosion) on Sunday? This looks like an upper end, but still typical Tyreek explosion and I'm guessing that he comes back to earth with a pedestrian 4/70 next week.

 

[cdclopper]

Anyone selling high on Tyreek given his (and Tua's explosion) on Sunday? This looks like an upper end, but still typical Tyreek explosion and I'm guessing that he comes back to earth with a pedestrian 4/70 next week.

I'm thinking about sending an offer for ARSB straight up.

 

[cdclopper]

What's Ramon Bateman's value at this point?

I'm trying to move him, feeling he's possibly overvalued. With having had some hype before, there's possibly some confirmation bias going on with his stat lines thru 2 games.

Tho, I'm not encouraged by the low volume. If not for two big plays there'd be a much different feeling. Looks to me like he is the new Marquise Brown for the Ravens.

 

[BearsFan4Life]

Mahomes vs Allen - STD SCORING

Which would you prefer to own?

I have Allen rated ahead of Mahomes now and foreseeable future due to the weapons each has at his disposal. I think Allen is Tier 1 by himself right now with Mahomes and Herbert in Tier 2.

If you owned Allen, what would you need with Mahomes to trade him? Future 1st Round Pick, Player? I know some of that depends on roster, but I curious to see the cost difference between the 2 qbs.

 

[packer_junkie]

If I owned Allen, I'd enjoy the next 4-5 years and not trade him

 

[titusbramble]

I would prefer Allen but be happy with either

 

[Lehigh98]

I think this could be another interesting one that I've gotten two very different strong reactions on from two other FF sites...

Team A gets: Trey Lance + Team A's 2023 1st
Team Me gets: Justin Herbert

Superflex best ball league. Team A is a middling team with only one QB, Herbert, so I'd value their first as mid with a chance of earlier but not top 3. However, if they trade Herbert for Lance and have no viable QB and go into tank mode the pick will be worth an early 1st. But I would never see this value, only him, so the pick is worth more to him than me.

Would you make the deal if you were me? How about if you were Team A?

 

[BearsFan4Life]

I think this could be another interesting one that I've gotten two very different strong reactions on from two other FF sites...

Team A gets: Trey Lance + Team A's 2023 1st
Team Me gets: Justin Herbert

Superflex best ball league. Team A is a middling team with only one QB, Herbert, so I'd value their first as mid with a chance of earlier but not top 3. However, if they trade Herbert for Lance and have no viable QB and go into tank mode the pick will be worth an early 1st. But I would never see this value, only him, so the pick is worth more to him than me.

Would you make the deal if you were me? How about if you were Team A?

Too low for Herbert. I would need another player involved with Lance and the pick to deal a top QB. Not a Lance fan either.

 

[SayWhat?]

I don’t think I’d trade Herbert for Lance and 1.01 in a SF league with Lance’s uncertainties.

 

[Lehigh98]

Thanks guys!
RBB says trade Lance + his 1st and 2nd back to him for Herbert all day.
DLF says Herbert not enough for Lance and returning his 1st.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Thanks guys!
RBB says trade Lance + his 1st and 2nd back to him for Herbert all day.
DLF says Herbert not enough for Lance and a mid-first.

I have Lance and I would give Lance and 2 firsts for Herbert. Without hesitation. If this is a live offer, smash accept.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Mahomes vs Allen - STD SCORING

Which would you prefer to own?

I have Allen rated ahead of Mahomes now and foreseeable future due to the weapons each has at his disposal. I think Allen is Tier 1 by himself right now with Mahomes and Herbert in Tier 2.

If you owned Allen, what would you need with Mahomes to trade him? Future 1st Round Pick, Player? I know some of that depends on roster, but I curious to see the cost difference between the 2 qbs.

Allen is not trade-able. If I had him he would retire on my roster, unless I sustained injuries that I was forced into a total rebuild.

 

[zaner75]

I think this could be another interesting one that I've gotten two very different strong reactions on from two other FF sites...

Team A gets: Trey Lance + Team A's 2023 1st
Team Me gets: Justin Herbert

Superflex best ball league. Team A is a middling team with only one QB, Herbert, so I'd value their first as mid with a chance of earlier but not top 3. However, if they trade Herbert for Lance and have no viable QB and go into tank mode the pick will be worth an early 1st. But I would never see this value, only him, so the pick is worth more to him than me.

Would you make the deal if you were me? How about if you were Team A?

Thanks guys!
RBB says trade Lance + his 1st and 2nd back to him for Herbert all day.
DLF says Herbert not enough for Lance and returning his 1st.

Both (initial post and RBB calc) would be super cheap prices for Herbert imo, even pre Lance injury. Herbert is in the elite, proven bucket whereas Lance was/is in the unknown commodity bucket. A single first doesn't make up the massive difference between the 2 players, pre and especially post-injury.
I find the DLF trade calculator very slow to adjust values. For me, the top 3 elite QBs in SF should have an extra premium attached to them but calcs can't/don't factor that in.

 

[Lehigh98]

I think this could be another interesting one that I've gotten two very different strong reactions on from two other FF sites...

Team A gets: Trey Lance + Team A's 2023 1st
Team Me gets: Justin Herbert

Superflex best ball league. Team A is a middling team with only one QB, Herbert, so I'd value their first as mid with a chance of earlier but not top 3. However, if they trade Herbert for Lance and have no viable QB and go into tank mode the pick will be worth an early 1st. But I would never see this value, only him, so the pick is worth more to him than me.

Would you make the deal if you were me? How about if you were Team A?

Thanks guys!
RBB says trade Lance + his 1st and 2nd back to him for Herbert all day.
DLF says Herbert not enough for Lance and returning his 1st.

Both (initial post and RBB calc) would be super cheap prices for Herbert imo, even pre Lance injury. Herbert is in the elite, proven bucket whereas Lance was/is in the unknown commodity bucket. A single first doesn't make up the massive decision between the 2 players, pre and especially post-injury.
I find the DLF trade calculator very slow to adjust values. For me, the top 3 elite QBs in SF should have an extra premium attached to them but calcs can't/don't factor that in.

When I mentioned DLF, I meant responses from guys in their Discord, not the trade calculator.
I was surprised there were multiple people that preferred Lance and the first to Herbert.

 

[heckmanm]

Price check on TJ Hockenson? Somone tried to get an early '23 1st from me, which I know isn't going to happen. Early 2nd reasonable? (16-team league, TE-only PPR)

 

[zaner75]

I think this could be another interesting one that I've gotten two very different strong reactions on from two other FF sites...

Team A gets: Trey Lance + Team A's 2023 1st
Team Me gets: Justin Herbert

Superflex best ball league. Team A is a middling team with only one QB, Herbert, so I'd value their first as mid with a chance of earlier but not top 3. However, if they trade Herbert for Lance and have no viable QB and go into tank mode the pick will be worth an early 1st. But I would never see this value, only him, so the pick is worth more to him than me.

Would you make the deal if you were me? How about if you were Team A?

Thanks guys!
RBB says trade Lance + his 1st and 2nd back to him for Herbert all day.
DLF says Herbert not enough for Lance and returning his 1st.

Both (initial post and RBB calc) would be super cheap prices for Herbert imo, even pre Lance injury. Herbert is in the elite, proven bucket whereas Lance was/is in the unknown commodity bucket. A single first doesn't make up the massive decision between the 2 players, pre and especially post-injury.
I find the DLF trade calculator very slow to adjust values. For me, the top 3 elite QBs in SF should have an extra premium attached to them but calcs can't/don't factor that in.

When I mentioned DLF, I meant responses from guys in their Discord, not the trade calculator.
I was surprised there were multiple people that preferred Lance and the first to Herbert.

My mistake on thinking you were referring to trade calculators. I should also preface that I only play in superflex leagues, so if this trade is 1 QB, then I can see an argument for Lance + 1st over Herbert but I would still take Herbert in any format.

 

[titusbramble]

Price check on Mike Evans? Am mulling over keeping and maximising win chances this season (have started 3-0), but with ARSB and Olave doing a lot better than expected for me, if the price was right I'd certainly be open to cashing out

 

[ShamrockPride]

Is Dotson as high a value after he came back down to earth last week as compared to the first two weeks?

That offense seems to have 3 very capable WRs, and they seem to be committed to getting Samuel highly involved. He's also competing against Terry who just got a huge extension. Right now I'm not sure Dotson outscores either of them by year's end if everyone stays healthy.

Both those guys are around thru next year. Feel like he could get lost in the weeds.

 

[InDitkaWeTrust]

Price check on TJ Hockenson? Somone tried to get an early '23 1st from me, which I know isn't going to happen. Early 2nd reasonable? (16-team league, TE-only PPR)

Who else do you have at TE? 16 team leagues run super thin at productive TE. Doubtful he's worth an early first but probably worth more than pick 17-20.

 

[Hankmoody]

Price check on TJ Hockenson? Somone tried to get an early '23 1st from me, which I know isn't going to happen. Early 2nd reasonable? (16-team league, TE-only PPR)

I would give a 2nd for him in TE premium in a flash. Heck I am going to offer that around now.

 

[joey]

Price check on Mike Evans? Am mulling over keeping and maximising win chances this season (have started 3-0), but with ARSB and Olave doing a lot better than expected for me, if the price was right I'd certainly be open to cashing out

I roster Evans in a Super Win Now FFPC dynasty league, along with Adams, Theilen, Palmer, KJ Osborn and Lazard…and I’m not looking to trade Evans this year (I’m also 3-0). I’m gonna ride him to the playoffs and not give away my tied-for-best WR. Maybe I’m being way too short sighted though.

 

[titusbramble]

Price check on Mike Evans? Am mulling over keeping and maximising win chances this season (have started 3-0), but with ARSB and Olave doing a lot better than expected for me, if the price was right I'd certainly be open to cashing out

I roster Evans in a Super Win Now FFPC dynasty league, along with Adams, Theilen, Palmer, KJ Osborn and Lazard…and I’m not looking to trade Evans this year (I’m also 3-0). I’m gonna ride him to the playoffs and not give away my tied-for-best WR. Maybe I’m being way too short sighted though.

Yeah, I'm just trying to weigh up how much added value he'd give over who I'd be shoving in at WR3 otherwise (Lockett/Renfrow most weeks) compared to getting a pick back in the next month or so. I doubt his value gets any higher given his age and QB situation going forward, and will likely drop a fair chunk in the offseason to the point where he probably retires on my roster

 

[lardonastick]

Price check on Travis Kelce? Any recent trades?

I have a SF dynasty team that is pretty strong, except at TE. What would you be willing to add to a middling TE (say...Dawson Knox) to get a Kelce in return? I'm not sure I can justify adding a 2023 1st.

 

[joey]

Price check on Travis Kelce? Any recent trades?

I have a SF dynasty team that is pretty strong, except at TE. What would you be willing to add to a middling TE (say...Dawson Knox) to get a Kelce in return? I'm not sure I can justify adding a 2023 1st.

If you don’t add a 1st, I don’t see how you get him. Unless you add another Stud player.
I tried to send Irv Smith and a likely late 2023 1st for Kelce (non-SF but TE premium) and was rejected with no counter so far.