Dynasty Value Discussion Thread (3 Viewers)

[InDitkaWeTrust]

it’s pretty dang easy to find WRs close to the same PPG as AJ Brown.

It’s not that easy to replace brown. Of course these receivers exist. They’re just usually top 20 players in dynasty.

Do you think a stud QB is the key to winning in dynasty?

Fwiw, in SF dynasty I’ve won two of the last three championships and finished second the year I lost. Without a stud QB most years.
Last year - Champion, starting Caleb and Bryce Young
2023 - SB loser starting Dak and Carr
2022 - champion starting Tom Brady and Mike white

Well done. I'd love to know the league settings for this particular superflex league.

# of teams?
# of players in the starting lineup
points per TD pass
points per yard

I ask because in 5/5 of my SF leagues (6pptd, 1pt per 20 passing yards, 10+ starters) the winner for the past 5 years has had a stud QB

 

[joey]

(Of course the above valuations are just MY opinion as I’m admittedly not high on AJ Brown while others might be)

Actually, you never said that. Maybe lead with that next time.

Posting the above to “prove” that I did state that up thread. Oy.

You’re so angry at me for reasons I don’t understand for a conversation on a fairy tale football board.

It’s obvious to everyone by now that you are Right and I am obviously Wrong on my valuation on this matter. Please ignore any of my opinions or posts in the future.

If me trying to post and have a conversation with you on this topic, when no one else was really doing so at the time, is setting you off so much and wanting you to stop posting in the future on this thread, I think you’re taking this (and especially ME) way too seriously.

I’m just dumbfounded by your aggressive replies to my opinions on this thread as I’ve had nothing but positive interactions on this board with everyone for 25+ years. Sheesh.

have a nice rest of your day.

 

[kutta]

it’s pretty dang easy to find WRs close to the same PPG as AJ Brown.

It’s not that easy to replace brown. Of course these receivers exist. They’re just usually top 20 players in dynasty.

Do you think a stud QB is the key to winning in dynasty?

Fwiw, in SF dynasty I’ve won two of the last three championships and finished second the year I lost. Without a stud QB most years.
Last year - Champion, starting Caleb and Bryce Young
2023 - SB loser starting Dak and Carr
2022 - champion starting Tom Brady and Mike white

I think studs are the key to winning in dynasty, not necessarily stud QB's only. Once you have a stud, you hang on tight, whatever position it's at, unless you get an offer that blows you away.

I don't use the term "stud" lightly. To me, I'm talking about guys who you KNOW will be in the top 5 at their position. So at QB, there's Allen, Lamar, and maybe Daniels if he keeps it up. And maybe Burrow. That's it. At WR, there's Chase, JJ, Lamb. Maybe BTJ and Nabers enter that territory soon. At RB, there's Saquon, Bijan, Gibbs. That's about it. At TE, Bowers (and Kelce for a long time).

I'm willing to bet most winning teams have 2 or 3 of these guys on it. When you get these guys, you hang on tight. Everyone else is tradable without much fanfare.

Makes sense, except some of us expand “stud” by position. Whereas stud QB should be the top 3-5, there might be 10-15 stud RBs and WRs because you’re starting 2-3x as many.

I get that. But my point is that when you start to get into the top 15 WR's or RB's, there are a ton of guys week to week you can start plugging in to get similar points. It's those top stud guys that you can't replace, and those are the ones who win dynasty leagues.

 

[-OZ-]

it’s pretty dang easy to find WRs close to the same PPG as AJ Brown.

It’s not that easy to replace brown. Of course these receivers exist. They’re just usually top 20 players in dynasty.

Do you think a stud QB is the key to winning in dynasty?

Fwiw, in SF dynasty I’ve won two of the last three championships and finished second the year I lost. Without a stud QB most years.
Last year - Champion, starting Caleb and Bryce Young
2023 - SB loser starting Dak and Carr
2022 - champion starting Tom Brady and Mike white

I think studs are the key to winning in dynasty, not necessarily stud QB's only. Once you have a stud, you hang on tight, whatever position it's at, unless you get an offer that blows you away.

I don't use the term "stud" lightly. To me, I'm talking about guys who you KNOW will be in the top 5 at their position. So at QB, there's Allen, Lamar, and maybe Daniels if he keeps it up. And maybe Burrow. That's it. At WR, there's Chase, JJ, Lamb. Maybe BTJ and Nabers enter that territory soon. At RB, there's Saquon, Bijan, Gibbs. That's about it. At TE, Bowers (and Kelce for a long time).

I'm willing to bet most winning teams have 2 or 3 of these guys on it. When you get these guys, you hang on tight. Everyone else is tradable without much fanfare.

Makes sense, except some of us expand “stud” by position. Whereas stud QB should be the top 3-5, there might be 10-15 stud RBs and WRs because you’re starting 2-3x as many.

I get that. But my point is that when you start to get into the top 15 WR's or RB's, there are a ton of guys week to week you can start plugging in to get similar points. It's those top stud guys that you can't replace, and those are the ones who win dynasty leagues.

Depends on how many you start. Of course there’s some weekly variance, but a player like AJ brown where they’re basically set and forget in your lineup year after year unless injured are every bit the FF stud as the 5th QB.

It’s all preference, to a degree anyway, but I’ll gladly take brown and the lowest starting QB (for example, in my main league Herbert) over Allen and the lowest starting WR (in ppg, Allen Lazard)

 

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neither of you have provided any datapoints or any type of valued analysis of the deal

Like I said earlier, I’m probably lower on AJ Brown than most and not really interested in giving away a player like Allen for a player like Brown and get a dart throw 2nd or even late 1st in return.

My apologies if this has already been discussed, but I was just trying to assess my likely early picks in my main league - 16 teams, I have the 4, 16, and 20 (along with later picks), I figure the 4 could be Warren, golden or Henderson, but then I was looking for Ward, dart or sanders in the rookie rankings.

Are they really 34th, 35th and 42nd? Other than pickett’s year I don’t remember QBs going that low. Even that year they went 22 (Willis) and 24 (Kenny). I understand not reaching for what will probably be average starting QB at best, but does the group think they’ll actually fall to the 3rd round?

In my 12 team one start QB leagues the FBG rankings lean on the optimistic side but then in my leagues Willis ADP was late 4 and Pickett into the 6th.

League and roster size I've found make a big difference in one start QB value, not sure if rankings you are looking account for that.

I would let the history of your league be your guide.

In my 12 team start one league Pickett went 2.4 (16) and Willis 3.12 (36).

Your league sucks....just kidding, bad picks though in a one QB league but maybe it's larger roster size which I had indicated I believe is a big factor.

Data I was relaying for where they went in my leagues was ADP data on 527 leagues and it's pretty close to where they went in my actual leagues. But like I said to Oz, each league is it's own entity and knowing the tendency of that league is probably a better idea of how things will go then consensus opinion.

Ha! My league loves QBs. Roster size of 20, 5qb max.

My league is constructed the same way and there will definitely be a Cam Ward pick in the top 15 picks of this draft...

The problem is - you have to allow at least 4 to be rostered in Dynasty. As weeks turn to years, bye weeks + injury can leave teams pretty desperate.

Value Question:

Team 1: Josh Allen + 2.02

Team 2: A.J. Brown + Tyjae Spears + Tank Dell + 3.10

Is that about in line? I am the team trying to trade some garbage + AJ Brown for Josh Allen.

I'll have to cut 5 guys before rostering anyone I draft anyway and I have some roster cloggers like Sean Tucker, JaTavion Sanders, Diontae Johnson but they don't hold any trade value. I am pretty down on Spears + Dell for injury and have a propensity for trying to sell top receivers before I am stuck with them for life.

I was told it was a bad move by me not to accept 1.08 1.10 and 2026 1st for Allen but there's a chance that team feels the same way. Think about what you would want for Brown draft pick wise and start there.

AJ Brown, Spears, Dell, and a 3rd are nowhere close to three firsts. AND the Allen side in the trade is getting the 2.02.

You should have taken the three firsts. This offer is off by quite

To add a little more (now you got me going)


Allen >> AJBrown + Spears + Dell + 3.10
So why am I throwing in the 2.02?

If you replace AJ Brown with a young uberstud WR like Nabers, then I’m listening. But I had better have another really good QB waiting in the wings to give up on the dynasty QB1, AND I better have a big need at WR.

(Of course the above valuations are just MY opinion as I’m admittedly not high on AJ Brown while others might be)

Yeah, I'm not sure where the disconnect is because obviously we agree at some points, Josh Allen is the player to be had in this trade. I think youre significantly undervaluing the need for depth and the variance in value between QB1 and WR14 when you are starting 8 skills players every week.

PPR startup drafts show AJ Brown ranked 14 and Josh Allen ranked 24. It's a 10 team 1 QB PPR league. If we can just say the disparity is less than dropping his 2.02 and having a high first going the other way, we can probably forget this conversation exists. I could agree to dropping the 2.02 and considering moving my 3rd into a 2nd but no QB in 1QB standard scoring/ppr format is what you're valuing Josh Allen at...

Ha. In a 10 team league, where Uber-studs are even MORE valuable, Josh Allen as your QB is GOLD, imo.
Who are the other QBs on their roster?

I have checked various trade calculators, again - to try and get a baseline of Josh Allen's value because nobody is giving up a top 15 WR + a 1st round pick for 1QB in a dynasty league that starts 8 skills players. AJ Brown + 2025 2nd round pick has come out to equal value on every (3) site I have checked. His other QB's are Caleb Williams and Sam Darnold. The "uber stud" analogy you gave only applies to QB? Nothing about starting the WR15 over WR37, WR56, WR59, well... you get the point.

I don't really take issue with you having a difference in value but your approach was rude and off-base. The delta between AJ Brown + Josh Allen in dynasty isn't a first round pick. In start-ups, AJ Brown is going ahead of Josh Allen... Who would lead with that trade? Here is WR9 in Dynasty Rankings plus 1.05 (you said high first) for your Josh Allen, pre-NFL draft?

Again, had you said you'll probably have to turn that 3rd into a 2nd and drop the pick coming back, I probably would have agreed.

If you’re going to do that with the QB’s, you gotta do it for the WRs too.

Thielen, Jauan Jennings, and Addison were all within 2.5 PPG of AJ Brown last year. If you want to go all the way to five PPG, you get guys like Quentin Johnson and MHJ.

The point is, it’s pretty dang easy to find WRs close to the same PPG as AJ Brown. There’s a huge group clustered there right around 13-16 PPG. It’s VERY difficult to find a QB who scores like Allen (there’s a few, but good luck figuring out who it will be).

I didn't start the 5 PPG advantage over all other QB's conversation but I did fan the flames. AJ Brown is more than 2.5 PPG over Jennings, Thielen but Addison does fit the bill. No reference to start-up draft capital needed to acquire either player? Literally, nothing about consensus feelings toward WR/QB? The QB list wasn't to prove that Josh Allen is some middling bum... it was to prove what was being said just isn't true.

Startup drafts are a horrible way to gauge value. People drafting AJ Brown early may realize they can still nab Lamar later for the their QB, so they don't draft Allen early. Just so many factors.

But once you have your team, and you have a Josh Allen, you don't give him up unless you are blown away with an offer. There are only a few players I feel that way about, and Allen is one of them.

But hey, everyone's mileage will vary...

Shouldn't I approach trades in a similar fashion to what you just mentioned though?

I don't know - I feel like there is a point/counterpoint to every aspect of this conversation. What drafting AJ Brown before Josh Allen in a start-up league tells me is that most managers place a premium on RB and WR over QB. This has been this way for years and it hasn't changed. In fact, by having 8 skill players going at the same time... it has devalued the QB position even more. You said earlier, you think studs are the key to winning in dynasty and while I agree with you - having 8 skill players started each week has also made balancing depth important.

 

[kutta]

it’s pretty dang easy to find WRs close to the same PPG as AJ Brown.

It’s not that easy to replace brown. Of course these receivers exist. They’re just usually top 20 players in dynasty.

Do you think a stud QB is the key to winning in dynasty?

Fwiw, in SF dynasty I’ve won two of the last three championships and finished second the year I lost. Without a stud QB most years.
Last year - Champion, starting Caleb and Bryce Young
2023 - SB loser starting Dak and Carr
2022 - champion starting Tom Brady and Mike white

I think studs are the key to winning in dynasty, not necessarily stud QB's only. Once you have a stud, you hang on tight, whatever position it's at, unless you get an offer that blows you away.

I don't use the term "stud" lightly. To me, I'm talking about guys who you KNOW will be in the top 5 at their position. So at QB, there's Allen, Lamar, and maybe Daniels if he keeps it up. And maybe Burrow. That's it. At WR, there's Chase, JJ, Lamb. Maybe BTJ and Nabers enter that territory soon. At RB, there's Saquon, Bijan, Gibbs. That's about it. At TE, Bowers (and Kelce for a long time).

I'm willing to bet most winning teams have 2 or 3 of these guys on it. When you get these guys, you hang on tight. Everyone else is tradable without much fanfare.

Makes sense, except some of us expand “stud” by position. Whereas stud QB should be the top 3-5, there might be 10-15 stud RBs and WRs because you’re starting 2-3x as many.

I get that. But my point is that when you start to get into the top 15 WR's or RB's, there are a ton of guys week to week you can start plugging in to get similar points. It's those top stud guys that you can't replace, and those are the ones who win dynasty leagues.

Depends on how many you start. Of course there’s some weekly variance, but a player like AJ brown where they’re basically set and forget in your lineup year after year unless injured are every bit the FF stud as the 5th QB.

It’s all preference, to a degree anyway, but I’ll gladly take brown and the lowest starting QB (for example, in my main league Herbert) over Allen and the lowest starting WR (in ppg, Allen Lazard)

But again, it's not about that comparison. But even with that comparison - Allen scored 7 more PPG than Herbert, and AJ Brown scored 6 more PPG than Lazard (and I'm not sure why you picked Lazard, he was 50th in my league in scoring). So your Allen/Lazard combo would come out on top.

There are a ton of guys around AJ Brown's performance level that aren't that hard to get in dynasty. Heck, you could trade a 2nd for Adams or Evans and do better than AJ Brown for a year or two. You can easily trade for Diggs, DeVonta Smith, or Jakobi Meyers who can get you right there with AJ Brown.

 

[-OZ-]

it’s pretty dang easy to find WRs close to the same PPG as AJ Brown.

It’s not that easy to replace brown. Of course these receivers exist. They’re just usually top 20 players in dynasty.

Do you think a stud QB is the key to winning in dynasty?

Fwiw, in SF dynasty I’ve won two of the last three championships and finished second the year I lost. Without a stud QB most years.
Last year - Champion, starting Caleb and Bryce Young
2023 - SB loser starting Dak and Carr
2022 - champion starting Tom Brady and Mike white

I think studs are the key to winning in dynasty, not necessarily stud QB's only. Once you have a stud, you hang on tight, whatever position it's at, unless you get an offer that blows you away.

I don't use the term "stud" lightly. To me, I'm talking about guys who you KNOW will be in the top 5 at their position. So at QB, there's Allen, Lamar, and maybe Daniels if he keeps it up. And maybe Burrow. That's it. At WR, there's Chase, JJ, Lamb. Maybe BTJ and Nabers enter that territory soon. At RB, there's Saquon, Bijan, Gibbs. That's about it. At TE, Bowers (and Kelce for a long time).

I'm willing to bet most winning teams have 2 or 3 of these guys on it. When you get these guys, you hang on tight. Everyone else is tradable without much fanfare.

Makes sense, except some of us expand “stud” by position. Whereas stud QB should be the top 3-5, there might be 10-15 stud RBs and WRs because you’re starting 2-3x as many.

I get that. But my point is that when you start to get into the top 15 WR's or RB's, there are a ton of guys week to week you can start plugging in to get similar points. It's those top stud guys that you can't replace, and those are the ones who win dynasty leagues.

Depends on how many you start. Of course there’s some weekly variance, but a player like AJ brown where they’re basically set and forget in your lineup year after year unless injured are every bit the FF stud as the 5th QB.

It’s all preference, to a degree anyway, but I’ll gladly take brown and the lowest starting QB (for example, in my main league Herbert) over Allen and the lowest starting WR (in ppg, Allen Lazard)

But again, it's not about that comparison. But even with that comparison - Allen scored 7 more PPG than Herbert, and AJ Brown scored 6 more PPG than Lazard (and I'm not sure why you picked Lazard, he was 50th in my league in scoring). So your Allen/Lazard combo would come out on top.

There are a ton of guys around AJ Brown's performance level that aren't that hard to get in dynasty. Heck, you could trade a 2nd for Adams or Evans and do better than AJ Brown for a year or two. You can easily trade for Diggs, DeVonta Smith, or Jakobi Meyers who can get you right there with AJ Brown.

Lineups matter. Unless you’re loaded you’re not replacing Brown with another top 20 receiver, you’re replacing him with your 4th or 5th wr (we start 4).

 

[kutta]

neither of you have provided any datapoints or any type of valued analysis of the deal

Like I said earlier, I’m probably lower on AJ Brown than most and not really interested in giving away a player like Allen for a player like Brown and get a dart throw 2nd or even late 1st in return.

My apologies if this has already been discussed, but I was just trying to assess my likely early picks in my main league - 16 teams, I have the 4, 16, and 20 (along with later picks), I figure the 4 could be Warren, golden or Henderson, but then I was looking for Ward, dart or sanders in the rookie rankings.

Are they really 34th, 35th and 42nd? Other than pickett’s year I don’t remember QBs going that low. Even that year they went 22 (Willis) and 24 (Kenny). I understand not reaching for what will probably be average starting QB at best, but does the group think they’ll actually fall to the 3rd round?

In my 12 team one start QB leagues the FBG rankings lean on the optimistic side but then in my leagues Willis ADP was late 4 and Pickett into the 6th.

League and roster size I've found make a big difference in one start QB value, not sure if rankings you are looking account for that.

I would let the history of your league be your guide.

In my 12 team start one league Pickett went 2.4 (16) and Willis 3.12 (36).

Your league sucks....just kidding, bad picks though in a one QB league but maybe it's larger roster size which I had indicated I believe is a big factor.

Data I was relaying for where they went in my leagues was ADP data on 527 leagues and it's pretty close to where they went in my actual leagues. But like I said to Oz, each league is it's own entity and knowing the tendency of that league is probably a better idea of how things will go then consensus opinion.

Ha! My league loves QBs. Roster size of 20, 5qb max.

My league is constructed the same way and there will definitely be a Cam Ward pick in the top 15 picks of this draft...

The problem is - you have to allow at least 4 to be rostered in Dynasty. As weeks turn to years, bye weeks + injury can leave teams pretty desperate.

Value Question:

Team 1: Josh Allen + 2.02

Team 2: A.J. Brown + Tyjae Spears + Tank Dell + 3.10

Is that about in line? I am the team trying to trade some garbage + AJ Brown for Josh Allen.

I'll have to cut 5 guys before rostering anyone I draft anyway and I have some roster cloggers like Sean Tucker, JaTavion Sanders, Diontae Johnson but they don't hold any trade value. I am pretty down on Spears + Dell for injury and have a propensity for trying to sell top receivers before I am stuck with them for life.

I was told it was a bad move by me not to accept 1.08 1.10 and 2026 1st for Allen but there's a chance that team feels the same way. Think about what you would want for Brown draft pick wise and start there.

AJ Brown, Spears, Dell, and a 3rd are nowhere close to three firsts. AND the Allen side in the trade is getting the 2.02.

You should have taken the three firsts. This offer is off by quite

To add a little more (now you got me going)


Allen >> AJBrown + Spears + Dell + 3.10
So why am I throwing in the 2.02?

If you replace AJ Brown with a young uberstud WR like Nabers, then I’m listening. But I had better have another really good QB waiting in the wings to give up on the dynasty QB1, AND I better have a big need at WR.

(Of course the above valuations are just MY opinion as I’m admittedly not high on AJ Brown while others might be)

Yeah, I'm not sure where the disconnect is because obviously we agree at some points, Josh Allen is the player to be had in this trade. I think youre significantly undervaluing the need for depth and the variance in value between QB1 and WR14 when you are starting 8 skills players every week.

PPR startup drafts show AJ Brown ranked 14 and Josh Allen ranked 24. It's a 10 team 1 QB PPR league. If we can just say the disparity is less than dropping his 2.02 and having a high first going the other way, we can probably forget this conversation exists. I could agree to dropping the 2.02 and considering moving my 3rd into a 2nd but no QB in 1QB standard scoring/ppr format is what you're valuing Josh Allen at...

Ha. In a 10 team league, where Uber-studs are even MORE valuable, Josh Allen as your QB is GOLD, imo.
Who are the other QBs on their roster?

I have checked various trade calculators, again - to try and get a baseline of Josh Allen's value because nobody is giving up a top 15 WR + a 1st round pick for 1QB in a dynasty league that starts 8 skills players. AJ Brown + 2025 2nd round pick has come out to equal value on every (3) site I have checked. His other QB's are Caleb Williams and Sam Darnold. The "uber stud" analogy you gave only applies to QB? Nothing about starting the WR15 over WR37, WR56, WR59, well... you get the point.

I don't really take issue with you having a difference in value but your approach was rude and off-base. The delta between AJ Brown + Josh Allen in dynasty isn't a first round pick. In start-ups, AJ Brown is going ahead of Josh Allen... Who would lead with that trade? Here is WR9 in Dynasty Rankings plus 1.05 (you said high first) for your Josh Allen, pre-NFL draft?

Again, had you said you'll probably have to turn that 3rd into a 2nd and drop the pick coming back, I probably would have agreed.

If you’re going to do that with the QB’s, you gotta do it for the WRs too.

Thielen, Jauan Jennings, and Addison were all within 2.5 PPG of AJ Brown last year. If you want to go all the way to five PPG, you get guys like Quentin Johnson and MHJ.

The point is, it’s pretty dang easy to find WRs close to the same PPG as AJ Brown. There’s a huge group clustered there right around 13-16 PPG. It’s VERY difficult to find a QB who scores like Allen (there’s a few, but good luck figuring out who it will be).

I didn't start the 5 PPG advantage over all other QB's conversation but I did fan the flames. AJ Brown is more than 2.5 PPG over Jennings, Thielen but Addison does fit the bill. No reference to start-up draft capital needed to acquire either player? Literally, nothing about consensus feelings toward WR/QB? The QB list wasn't to prove that Josh Allen is some middling bum... it was to prove what was being said just isn't true.

Startup drafts are a horrible way to gauge value. People drafting AJ Brown early may realize they can still nab Lamar later for the their QB, so they don't draft Allen early. Just so many factors.

But once you have your team, and you have a Josh Allen, you don't give him up unless you are blown away with an offer. There are only a few players I feel that way about, and Allen is one of them.

But hey, everyone's mileage will vary...

Shouldn't I approach trades in a similar fashion to what you just mentioned though?

I don't know - I feel like there is a point/counterpoint to every aspect of this conversation. What drafting AJ Brown before Josh Allen in a start-up league tells me is that most managers place a premium on RB and WR over QB. This has been this way for years and it hasn't changed. In fact, by having 8 skill players going at the same time... it has devalued the QB position even more. You said earlier, you think studs are the key to winning in dynasty and while I agree with you - having 8 skill players started each week has also made balancing depth important.

Lots of different ways to take this. It's what makes this silly game so fun!

 

[InDitkaWeTrust]

Fields or Darnold. Who do you think holds the most medium to long term dynasty value?

 

[joey]

Fields or Darnold. Who do you think holds the most medium to long term dynasty value?

Darnold. They’re only a year apart so age isn’t really a factor, but Darnold has actually broken out whereas Fields still just shows glimpses. Fields doesn’t seem like a permanent solution for the teams he’s on, whereas Seattle seems sold that Darnold can continue where he left off last year (acknowledging he doesn’t have JJ, Addison and Hockenson as his weapons in Seattle).

Darnold feels like a good, cheap backup for a 1QB dynasty team when you have a proper top 6 QB that you’re starting.

ETA: that said, I sold off Darnold (in the 2 leagues where I held him) mid-last-season for 2nd round picks

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Fields or Darnold. Who do you think holds the most medium to long term dynasty value?

Darnold. They’re only a year apart so age isn’t really a factor, but Darnold has actually broken out whereas Fields still just shows glimpses. Fields doesn’t seem like a permanent solution for the teams he’s on, whereas Seattle seems sold that Darnold can continue where he left off last year (acknowledging he doesn’t have JJ, Addison and Hockenson as his weapons in Seattle).

Darnold feels like a good, cheap backup for a 1QB dynasty team when you have a proper top 6 QB that you’re starting.

ETA: that said, I sold off Darnold (in the 2 leagues where I held him) mid-last-season for 2nd round picks

I concur.

Short term I actually think it’s Fields. Dude puts up video game numbers with his legs.

But the caveat is that he has struggled to turn that into real football success. He also fumbles a lot. Last year he was extremely fortunate that most of them were recovered by his offense. But that only puts lipstick on he pig, because that’s more of a lucky break than something that can be counted on.

I would be delighted if Fields put it all together, even though it would make me regret selling him in both leagues I had shares. But after watching him for years, and even defending him because of his environment many, many times, I fear he may be a bit broken at this point.

And I wonder if the Jets will let him improvise as he did in Chicago, or if they’ll put shackles on him like they did in PIT.

If the latter, it could be disastrous both for the Jets and for Fields future.

 

[mjb03003]

Price check on Jonathan Taylor? He seems a bit discounted right now. Are people worried about Indy drafting a RB?

I have him on a few teams and in an effort to diversify and further consolidate one of my strongest rosters I offered Taylor and 1.03 for Bijan and I got countered asking for more. The counter was close enough to my original offer that I can probably get it done if I want to, but I felt like I led with a very strong offer and part of me wants to just dig my heels in and wait for the draft buzz/rookie hype to get even stronger on 1.03.

 

[InDitkaWeTrust]

Price check on Jonathan Taylor? He seems a bit discounted right now. Are people worried about Indy drafting a RB?

I have him on a few teams and in an effort to diversify and further consolidate one of my strongest rosters I offered Taylor and 1.03 for Bijan and I got countered asking for more. The counter was close enough to my original offer that I can probably get it done if I want to, but I felt like I led with a very strong offer and part of me wants to just dig my heels in and wait for the draft buzz/rookie hype to get even stronger on 1.03.

I'm fighting this battle right now, in fact, considering offering up some trades FOR him. Consensus is down on Taylor because his QB situation is terrible. AR and Danny Dimes aren't scaring anyone with their accuracy. Both are extremely mobile lending the idea that they may snipe TDs from Taylor. Despite all this, I think Taylor is a strong talent and can be a league beater if the Colts offense finds a reasonable balance and is able to utilize one of their QBs to be mediocre or better.

 

[mjb03003]

Price check on Jonathan Taylor? He seems a bit discounted right now. Are people worried about Indy drafting a RB?

I have him on a few teams and in an effort to diversify and further consolidate one of my strongest rosters I offered Taylor and 1.03 for Bijan and I got countered asking for more. The counter was close enough to my original offer that I can probably get it done if I want to, but I felt like I led with a very strong offer and part of me wants to just dig my heels in and wait for the draft buzz/rookie hype to get even stronger on 1.03.

I'm fighting this battle right now, in fact, considering offering up some trades FOR him. Consensus is down on Taylor because his QB situation is terrible. AR and Danny Dimes aren't scaring anyone with their accuracy. Both are extremely mobile lending the idea that they may snipe TDs from Taylor. Despite all this, I think Taylor is a strong talent and can be a league beater if the Colts offense finds a reasonable balance and is able to utilize one of their QBs to be mediocre or better.

Yeah, based on how I’m seeing him valued right now, I think he’s a great buy for contending teams. Probably another 2-3 seasons of strong production before he hits the wall.

 

[TVT 0 N S T A]

Price check on Jonathan Taylor? He seems a bit discounted right now. Are people worried about Indy drafting a RB?

I have him on a few teams and in an effort to diversify and further consolidate one of my strongest rosters I offered Taylor and 1.03 for Bijan and I got countered asking for more. The counter was close enough to my original offer that I can probably get it done if I want to, but I felt like I led with a very strong offer and part of me wants to just dig my heels in and wait for the draft buzz/rookie hype to get even stronger on 1.03.

I'm fighting this battle right now, in fact, considering offering up some trades FOR him. Consensus is down on Taylor because his QB situation is terrible. AR and Danny Dimes aren't scaring anyone with their accuracy. Both are extremely mobile lending the idea that they may snipe TDs from Taylor. Despite all this, I think Taylor is a strong talent and can be a league beater if the Colts offense finds a reasonable balance and is able to utilize one of their QBs to be mediocre or better.

With that said, what do you believe is a reasonable offer to acquire Jonathon Taylor?

 

[mjb03003]

Price check on Jonathan Taylor? He seems a bit discounted right now. Are people worried about Indy drafting a RB?

I have him on a few teams and in an effort to diversify and further consolidate one of my strongest rosters I offered Taylor and 1.03 for Bijan and I got countered asking for more. The counter was close enough to my original offer that I can probably get it done if I want to, but I felt like I led with a very strong offer and part of me wants to just dig my heels in and wait for the draft buzz/rookie hype to get even stronger on 1.03.

I'm fighting this battle right now, in fact, considering offering up some trades FOR him. Consensus is down on Taylor because his QB situation is terrible. AR and Danny Dimes aren't scaring anyone with their accuracy. Both are extremely mobile lending the idea that they may snipe TDs from Taylor. Despite all this, I think Taylor is a strong talent and can be a league beater if the Colts offense finds a reasonable balance and is able to utilize one of their QBs to be mediocre or better.

With that said, what do you believe is a reasonable offer to acquire Jonathon Taylor?

If I’m holding a late first I’m offering that pick (1.09 or later) plus a little sweetener to see if that draws some interest. If Taylor would be a starter and an upgrade for my lineup, I’d be okay giving up the pick plus a little depth to make it happen.

 

[swabs]

I gave up on trying to trade Taylor. Only offer I got was 2026 1st and 2nd for him & Mixon.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

I gave up on trying to trade Taylor. Only offer I got was 2026 1st and 2nd for him & Mixon.

Not terrible value depending how good the team is (e.g. potential value if draft picks)

I’d counter for a 2026 & 2027 1st and see if they bite. But as-is I don’t hate it.

 

[smbkrypt24]

Price check on Jonathan Taylor? He seems a bit discounted right now. Are people worried about Indy drafting a RB?

I have him on a few teams and in an effort to diversify and further consolidate one of my strongest rosters I offered Taylor and 1.03 for Bijan and I got countered asking for more. The counter was close enough to my original offer that I can probably get it done if I want to, but I felt like I led with a very strong offer and part of me wants to just dig my heels in and wait for the draft buzz/rookie hype to get even stronger on 1.03.

I traded him and Garrett Wilson for
(2) 2026 1sts, 2026 2nd, chase brown, and shakir. I think most sided with JT Wilson side

 

[mjb03003]

Let's say Tyler Warren goes in the top 15-20 picks to a team that has no other viable TE and a glaring need for a new weapon in the passing game.

Would Warren merit consideration as high as 1.02 in 2.0 PPR TE Prem formats? Already ranked as a top 5 dynasty TE most places, and he seems more likely to have staying power at the top of his position for a long time in dynasty than some of the top options at QB (Ward) or WR (McMillan). At RB there are a lot of viable picks at 1.02 but there is also so much depth and so many strong prospects that taking stabs at that position later in rookie drafts might yield better results for dynasty team building.

Thoughts?

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Let's say Tyler Warren goes in the top 15-20 picks to a team that has no other viable TE and a glaring need for a new weapon in the passing game.

Would Warren merit consideration as high as 1.02 in 2.0 PPR TE Prem formats? Already ranked as a top 5 dynasty TE most places, and he seems more likely to have staying power at the top of his position for a long time in dynasty than some of the top options at QB (Ward) or WR (McMillan). At RB there are a lot of viable picks at 1.02 but there is also so much depth and so many strong prospects that taking stabs at that position later in rookie drafts might yield better results for dynasty team building.

Thoughts?

There are very few “perfect storm” landing spots. Not only do you need the scenario you laid out, but you need that team to also utilize a move-TE in their offense, as well as a QB who looks for the TE routinely.

That said, if that exact scenario played out, I would suggest attempting to trade back a spot or 2, because imo it’s unlikely anyone else would be taking a TE at 1.02

Then you’d get your guy, and some extra draft capital to boot.

 

[steelcityman]

Let's say Tyler Warren goes in the top 15-20 picks to a team that has no other viable TE and a glaring need for a new weapon in the passing game.

Would Warren merit consideration as high as 1.02 in 2.0 PPR TE Prem formats? Already ranked as a top 5 dynasty TE most places, and he seems more likely to have staying power at the top of his position for a long time in dynasty than some of the top options at QB (Ward) or WR (McMillan). At RB there are a lot of viable picks at 1.02 but there is also so much depth and so many strong prospects that taking stabs at that position later in rookie drafts might yield better results for dynasty team building.

Thoughts?

Its possible, say he goes to LAC. I think thats the best place he could go, and Loveland as well. They have McConkey and then WRs drop off bigly.
The next 4 RBs after Jeanty would have to go to RBBC at best for me to pass on them all for a TE. If Hampton goes to DEN, that would almost be a lock for 1.02 IMO.
Henderson to KC would be a lock for 1.02 or 1.03. Judkins and Johnson would be determined by team. McMillan to Green Bay, where would he get picked in drafts?
Also, if Warren goes to Jets, and Loveland LAC, who is the first TE picked in drafts?

 

[ghostguy123]

Not great for rookie values so far.

 

[Blick]

Not great for rookie values so far.

Just wait for the RBs to start going.

 

[smbkrypt24]

Not great for rookie values so far.

The only disappointment so far, for me, had been Hampton not to the broncos.

 

[smbkrypt24]

Not great for rookie values so far.

The only disappointment so far, for me, had been Hampton not to the broncos.

Disregard

 

[ghostguy123]

Not great for rookie values so far.

The only disappointment so far, for me, had been Hampton not to the broncos.

Mcmilliam and the two TEs, not great

 

[smbkrypt24]

Not great for rookie values so far.

The only disappointment so far, for me, had been Hampton not to the broncos.

Mcmilliam and the two TEs, not great

I think Loveland is a nice spot in Ben Johnson’s offense.
Tet I was down on before the draft so I guess that didn’t move the needle for me.
Warren/Loveland projected to Colts so seemed like the expectation.

 

[oldmanhawkins]

Not great for rookie values so far.

The only disappointment so far, for me, had been Hampton not to the broncos.

Mcmilliam and the two TEs, not great

I think Loveland is a nice spot in Ben Johnson’s offense.
Tet I was down on before the draft so I guess that didn’t move the needle for me.
Warren/Loveland projected to Colts so seemed like the expectation.

I had McMillan falling down my board because I thought the NFL did as well, but he's going to get a real chance to be an alpha now.

And I wouldn't have loved the idea of using a top 5 pick on a TE, even if Loveland landed in Denver.

 

[Buckna]

Bears can cut Kmet next year for a cap savings if they want. They were mocked frequently with a TE so not a big surprise, same for the Colts. Still think the Bears should have gone o'line even if they spent a lot in FA to revamp theirs.

Jeanty was chalk, great landing spot for Hampton.

A little bump to TMac as he has a clear #1 path, a lot of people thought he'd be drafted as a #2 guy. Just doesn't seem to be a lot of excitement for him though, have to see where the RB'S go tonight as there are some plumb spots available still for a Henderson or Judkins. Golden has solid opportunity. Egbuka is the only one who's value imploded IMO, he may payoff in a few years but gonna have to wait a while.

 

[mjb03003]

I'm a little wary of Hampton's landing spot with LAC. I hope I'm wrong, but I could just see Harbaugh giving Harris the starting nod to start the season and making Hampton earn it. In dynasty obviously we don't care too much about first 1/2 of year 1 impact, and Najee is likely gone after 2025, but I could see Hampton's value dipping a bit early in the season if he's only getting 10-12 carries per game in a near 50/50 split with Harris. Good opportunity to buy the dip if it plays out that way.

 

[FreeBaGeL]

Bears can cut Kmet next year for a cap savings if they want. They were mocked frequently with a TE so not a big surprise, same for the Colts. Still think the Bears should have gone o'line even if they spent a lot in FA to revamp theirs.

Jeanty was chalk, great landing spot for Hampton.

A little bump to TMac as he has a clear #1 path, a lot of people thought he'd be drafted as a #2 guy. Just doesn't seem to be a lot of excitement for him though, have to see where the RB'S go tonight as there are some plumb spots available still for a Henderson or Judkins. Golden has solid opportunity. Egbuka is the only one who's value imploded IMO, he may payoff in a few years but gonna have to wait a while.

Jacksonville was actually the betting favorite for Jeanty by the time the draft rolled around, and by a pretty large margin.

I think Vegas is a much better situation, at least for the short term. Less competition so he'll get to be that workhorse right out of the gate there (whereas he may have been eased in more in Jacksonville), and to a coach that loves to feature a strong workhorse RB and build his offense around him.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Bears can cut Kmet next year for a cap savings if they want. They were mocked frequently with a TE so not a big surprise, same for the Colts. Still think the Bears should have gone o'line even if they spent a lot in FA to revamp theirs.

I’ve seen speculation they may try to trade him during the draft. Seems like long shot.

Honestly I’m not sure what their problem was at TE. Kmet is a talented receiver & has had several boom games. It’s not his fault he isn’t targeted.

Now they draft another talented young TE for their QB to ignore?

Kind of a wasted pick.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

I'm a little wary of Hampton's landing spot with LAC. I hope I'm wrong, but I could just see Harbaugh giving Harris the starting nod to start the season and making Hampton earn it. In dynasty obviously we don't care too much about first 1/2 of year 1 impact, and Najee is likely gone after 2025, but I could see Hampton's value dipping a bit early in the season if he's only getting 10-12 carries per game in a near 50/50 split with Harris. Good opportunity to buy the dip if it plays out that way.

Harbaugh loves veterans.

That said, I wouldn’t be at all surprised to see a RBBC. He made this pick, it has his thumbprint on it - that indicates to me he’s got a plan to use him.

Najee isn’t a home run hitter and he’s not a fluid receiver. He’s durable and will get you the short yardage.

From a football standpoint I think it’s a solid fit. For the long-term FF standpoint I would absolutely draft Hampton, but I would expect year 1 to be a quagmire. His ADP will likely reflect that, potentially making him a value in rookie dynasty drafts.

 

[FreeBaGeL]

I'm a little wary of Hampton's landing spot with LAC. I hope I'm wrong, but I could just see Harbaugh giving Harris the starting nod to start the season and making Hampton earn it. In dynasty obviously we don't care too much about first 1/2 of year 1 impact, and Najee is likely gone after 2025, but I could see Hampton's value dipping a bit early in the season if he's only getting 10-12 carries per game in a near 50/50 split with Harris. Good opportunity to buy the dip if it plays out that way.

Harbaugh loves veterans.

That said, I wouldn’t be at all surprised to see a RBBC. He made this pick, it has his thumbprint on it - that indicates to me he’s got a plan to use him.

Najee isn’t a home run hitter and he’s not a fluid receiver. He’s durable and will get you the short yardage.

From a football standpoint I think it’s a solid fit. For the long-term FF standpoint I would absolutely draft Hampton, but I would expect year 1 to be a quagmire. His ADP will likely reflect that, potentially making him a value in rookie dynasty drafts.

Do we really know that for sure? We only have a 3 year sample size of Harbaugh in the NFL and while he did stick with Frank Gore for that whole stretch, Gore was very productive during that time so he didn't really give him a reason not to. It's worth noting in that same span he did make the switch to a 2nd year 2nd round QB in the middle of a Super Bowl run over a reliable vet in Alex Smith.

 

[Buckna]

Bears can cut Kmet next year for a cap savings if they want. They were mocked frequently with a TE so not a big surprise, same for the Colts. Still think the Bears should have gone o'line even if they spent a lot in FA to revamp theirs.

I’ve seen speculation they may try to trade him during the draft. Seems like long shot.

Honestly I’m not sure what their problem was at TE. Kmet is a talented receiver & has had several boom games. It’s not his fault he isn’t targeted.

Now they draft another talented young TE for their QB to ignore?

Kind of a wasted pick.

Yeah, new coaches always want their guy seems like the explanation. I agree nothing wrong with Kmet and should have used the pick to address an actual weakness IMO.

 

[JohnnyU]

Bears can cut Kmet next year for a cap savings if they want. They were mocked frequently with a TE so not a big surprise, same for the Colts. Still think the Bears should have gone o'line even if they spent a lot in FA to revamp theirs.

Jeanty was chalk, great landing spot for Hampton.

A little bump to TMac as he has a clear #1 path, a lot of people thought he'd be drafted as a #2 guy. Just doesn't seem to be a lot of excitement for him though, have to see where the RB'S go tonight as there are some plumb spots available still for a Henderson or Judkins. Golden has solid opportunity. Egbuka is the only one who's value imploded IMO, he may payoff in a few years but gonna have to wait a while.

Jacksonville was actually the betting favorite for Jeanty by the time the draft rolled around, and by a pretty large margin.

I think Vegas is a much better situation, at least for the short term. Less competition so he'll get to be that workhorse right out of the gate there (whereas he may have been eased in more in Jacksonville), and to a coach that loves to feature a strong workhorse RB and build his offense around him.

God forbid, but has anyone considered that Jeanty could bust? Didn’t most of us think Trent Richardson was a can’t miss player, and he played against better competition?

 

[InDitkaWeTrust]

Bears can cut Kmet next year for a cap savings if they want. They were mocked frequently with a TE so not a big surprise, same for the Colts. Still think the Bears should have gone o'line even if they spent a lot in FA to revamp theirs.

I’ve seen speculation they may try to trade him during the draft. Seems like long shot.

Honestly I’m not sure what their problem was at TE. Kmet is a talented receiver & has had several boom games. It’s not his fault he isn’t targeted.

Now they draft another talented young TE for their QB to ignore?

Kind of a wasted pick.

Kmet was not a good blocker in the run game or in the passing game. How much of that should be laid at the feet of the inept OL coach, who knows? I expect Johnson liked that Loveland is as "NFL blocking scheme ready" as any rookie and already at least as good as Kmet.

 

[JamboTaylor]

What’s a fair price to pay to go from 1.03 to 1.02?

 

[titusbramble]

What’s a fair price to pay to go from 1.03 to 1.02?

You might want to clarify your league's ruleset. I think I have the same question moving from 4 to 3, but I play SF

 

[JamboTaylor]

What’s a fair price to pay to go from 1.03 to 1.02?

You might want to clarify your league's ruleset. I think I have the same question moving from 4 to 3, but I play SF

1QB for me

 

[titusbramble]

What’s a fair price to pay to go from 1.03 to 1.02?

You might want to clarify your league's ruleset. I think I have the same question moving from 4 to 3, but I play SF

1QB for me

Ok cool, so same question for all intents and purposes

 

[Buckna]

What’s a fair price to pay to go from 1.03 to 1.02?

In one of my 1QB leagues pre-draft:

1.02 + Mooney + 3.01
For 1.03 + 2.01

In another league where I have the 1.03, the 1.02 offered it to me for the 3 plus a future 1st and I passed.

 

[phandango]

What’s a fair price to pay to go from 1.03 to 1.02?

You might want to clarify your league's ruleset. I think I have the same question moving from 4 to 3, but I play SF

In March, in an FFPC Triflex league (superflex), new guy took over a team and immediately offered 1.03, 2.12 and '26 R3 for my 1.04, 1.08 and '26 R2. It was a quick rejection.

I don't mind the 1.04. Feels like Jeanty and Ward, then you get either your WR1 or RB2.

 

[dipandglide]

What’s a fair price to pay to go from 1.03 to 1.02?

In one of my 1QB leagues pre-draft:

1.02 + Mooney + 3.01
For 1.03 + 2.01

In another league where I have the 1.03, the 1.02 offered it to me for the 3 plus a future 1st and I passed.

1.03 + 2.01 for me

How are people valuing James Cook? I'm tempted to start offloading him this year.

 

[titusbramble]

What’s a fair price to pay to go from 1.03 to 1.02?

You might want to clarify your league's ruleset. I think I have the same question moving from 4 to 3, but I play SF

In March, in an FFPC Triflex league (superflex), new guy took over a team and immediately offered 1.03, 2.12 and '26 R3 for my 1.04, 1.08 and '26 R2. It was a quick rejection.

I don't mind the 1.04. Feels like Jeanty and Ward, then you get either your WR1 or RB2.

If only the value of those two things were remotely comparable. If they were I wouldn't ask the question and just do as you suggest.

 

[phandango]

What’s a fair price to pay to go from 1.03 to 1.02?

You might want to clarify your league's ruleset. I think I have the same question moving from 4 to 3, but I play SF

In March, in an FFPC Triflex league (superflex), new guy took over a team and immediately offered 1.03, 2.12 and '26 R3 for my 1.04, 1.08 and '26 R2. It was a quick rejection.

I don't mind the 1.04. Feels like Jeanty and Ward, then you get either your WR1 or RB2.

If only the value of those two things were remotely comparable. If they were I wouldn't ask the question and just do as you suggest.

Lol yeah, I'm hoping someone makes the decision for me and trades for the 1.04 when it's on the clock.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Kmet was not a good blocker in the run game or in the passing game. How much of that should be laid at the feet of the inept OL coach, who knows? I expect Johnson liked that Loveland is as "NFL blocking scheme ready" as any rookie and already at least as good as Kmet.

Sure but he’s a move TE. He needs to be catching the ball, not blocking.

Bears love nothing more than tryna shove a round peg into a square hole.

My favorite is when a receiver is out and Kmet has one of those 100+/2 TD games then has 0-2 targets the next 3 games.

 

[InDitkaWeTrust]

Kmet was not a good blocker in the run game or in the passing game. How much of that should be laid at the feet of the inept OL coach, who knows? I expect Johnson liked that Loveland is as "NFL blocking scheme ready" as any rookie and already at least as good as Kmet.

Sure but he’s a move TE. He needs to be catching the ball, not blocking.

Bears love nothing more than tryna shove a round peg into a square hole.

My favorite is when a receiver is out and Kmet has one of those 100+/2 TD games then has 0-2 targets the next 3 games.

Move TE or not, he has to be able and willing to block. Same with RBs.

 

[JoeJoe88]

Charbonnet worth the 3.01 if you are a KW owner?