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Don't play much dynasty but a friend was offered this, so figured I'd ask all you hard core dynasty guys.

Someone offered him Barkley for this years 1.10+2.10+3.03

Thoughts?
 
Don't play much dynasty but a friend was offered this, so figured I'd ask all you hard core dynasty guys.

Someone offered him Barkley for this years 1.10+2.10+3.03

Thoughts?
Smash Barkley
Like that's an easy accept right? To get Barkley and give up those 3 picks?
I would pay much more than that for Barkley.

Those picks don't come close to Barkleys value. I would say to make that more fair I would want 1.03 as well to give up Barkley.
 
Don't play much dynasty but a friend was offered this, so figured I'd ask all you hard core dynasty guys.

Someone offered him Barkley for this years 1.10+2.10+3.03

Thoughts?
Unless he is in a complete rebuild, smash that offer. Saquon is worth way more than that.

Even if he is in a rebuild, smash it anyway and flip Barkley for more a few weeks into the season.
 
Don't play much dynasty but a friend was offered this, so figured I'd ask all you hard core dynasty guys.

Someone offered him Barkley for this years 1.10+2.10+3.03

Thoughts?
Unless he is in a complete rebuild, smash that offer. Saquon is worth way more than that.

Hard to believe in a complete rebuild with the late picks in 1st and 2nd, right?

Probably the league champ that just acquired Barkley for peanuts. I'd give this up in a heartbeat for Saquon. Heck, I might even throw in my 2026 2nd and 3rd rounders to help me sleep at night for the robbery I just committed.

If it's the 1.10 or riding Barkley into retirement? I'll keep Barkley.
 
Don't play much dynasty but a friend was offered this, so figured I'd ask all you hard core dynasty guys.

Someone offered him Barkley for this years 1.10+2.10+3.03

Thoughts?
Unless he is in a complete rebuild, smash that offer. Saquon is worth way more than that.

Hard to believe in a complete rebuild with the late picks in 1st and 2nd, right?

Probably the league champ that just acquired Barkley for peanuts. I'd give this up in a heartbeat for Saquon. Heck, I might even throw in my 2026 2nd and 3rd rounders to help me sleep at night for the robbery I just committed.

If it's the 1.10 or riding Barkley into retirement? I'll keep Barkley.
I’d throw in a 1st born child. This was a robbery for a dude with the unquestioned feature role in a top NFL offense.

There’s some risk due to age/workload, but he’s in phenomenal shape.

Maybe he’s the next Henry and keeps this up for 6 more years. If he gives you 2 years for that price, this is an absolute robbery.
 
16 team 1 QB IDP
I was just offered McCaffrey
For 1.7

I am in the third year of rebuild with basically NO starting RB or WR.
Hopefully the team is strong enough to make the playoffs this year, but not sure about challenging for the title.
I also have pick 14 plus three seconds and two thirds.
 
16 team 1 QB IDP
I was just offered McCaffrey
For 1.7

I am in the third year of rebuild with basically NO starting RB or WR.
Hopefully the team is strong enough to make the playoffs this year, but not sure about challenging for the title.
I also have pick 14 plus three seconds and two thirds.
That's a hard no from me. Pick 1.07 will get you one of the 2nd tier RBs, MAYBE one of the two tier 1 WRs, or a tier 1 TE (assuming TEP). Stick with your rebuild plans, CMC will give you MAYBE two years of off/on production.
 
16 team 1 QB IDP
I was just offered McCaffrey
For 1.7

I am in the third year of rebuild with basically NO starting RB or WR.
Hopefully the team is strong enough to make the playoffs this year, but not sure about challenging for the title.
I also have pick 14 plus three seconds and two thirds.
I traded McCaffrey for a 2027 1st. The team I traded him to already has a bunch of aging vets .. Henry, Connor, Montgomery so hoping that picks turns into a high pick. I also have Barkley, JJacobs, and JTaylor at RB.
 
16 team 1 QB IDP
I was just offered McCaffrey
For 1.7

I am in the third year of rebuild with basically NO starting RB or WR.
Hopefully the team is strong enough to make the playoffs this year, but not sure about challenging for the title.
I also have pick 14 plus three seconds and two thirds.
No

You need the young player more than the aging RB.

A win now-move on a not win-now team is a bad move.
 
16 team 1 QB IDP
I was just offered McCaffrey
For 1.7

I am in the third year of rebuild with basically NO starting RB or WR.
Hopefully the team is strong enough to make the playoffs this year, but not sure about challenging for the title.
I also have pick 14 plus three seconds and two thirds.
I can't pull a 1st of any kind for CMC in my leagues right now and I tried hard in 1 of them where I had a rebuilding team and he was a throw-in on a trade last year. That team is ready to compete now but I tried to shop him anyway to keep improving/adding depth. I am sitting on him and see if in pre-season or beginning of the season if he's healthy and people are thinking add a RB for a championship run. If no real interest, the teams I have him I'll use him as part of my starting lineup for as long as he lasts.
 
In a 12-team SF league my QB situation is, well, less than optimal.

It’s PPR SF, start 10, no D/ST, no K

My team’s pretty stacked everywhere but QB, though not super deep.

QBs: Darnold (who I just traded for), Russ, ARich
WR: Chase, ARSB, AJB, Higgins (Ridley, Bateman, Calvin Austin, Iosivas, Mike Williams, Gabe Davis)

Offer sent to me:
I give Tee Higgins+Russ+2026 2nd
I get: 1.02 (1.01 is Jeanty)

Is this a smash accept and worth about WR later? I’ve been running out a makeshift QB room for 2 years, and lost the LCG last year because I didn’t have a QB2 by the time I got there.

Cam Ward seems like a solid player, but the Titans are kind of a trainwreck. If I do this I’d be limping along with Ridley as my WR4.

Drop-off from Higgins to Ridley as a starter worth getting Cam? Advice appreciated.
 
In a 12-team SF league my QB situation is, well, less than optimal.

It’s PPR SF, start 10, no D/ST, no K

My team’s pretty stacked everywhere but QB, though not super deep.

QBs: Darnold (who I just traded for), Russ, ARich
WR: Chase, ARSB, AJB, Higgins (Ridley, Bateman, Calvin Austin, Iosivas, Mike Williams, Gabe Davis)

Offer sent to me:
I give Tee Higgins+Russ+2026 2nd
I get: 1.02 (1.01 is Jeanty)

Is this a smash accept and worth about WR later? I’ve been running out a makeshift QB room for 2 years, and lost the LCG last year because I didn’t have a QB2 by the time I got there.

Cam Ward seems like a solid player, but the Titans are kind of a trainwreck. If I do this I’d be limping along with Ridley as my WR4.

Drop-off from Higgins to Ridley as a starter worth getting Cam? Advice appreciated.
I wouldn't do it to get Ward.

1. I don't feel like he's a slam dunk long term QB. The Titans do. And surely they know more than I do. But this QB class as a whole is obviously weaker than we'd like.

2. I honestly prefer Hunter and the running backs before Ward even in SF. If you wanted to move up to the 1.02 to get Hunter, I can get down with that. I don't think Russ has any long term value, so it's essentially Higgins/2 for Hunter. I'm a big believer in picking the best player rather than picking for need.

You could potentially get Ward in the middle of the round. You can certainly get Dart later.

I'd shop the Higgins/Russ/2 around to see what proven QB you can get.
 
Trying to figure out what I can flip Tyreke Hill for. Anyone sold recently? I'll hold him if I can't get something of decent value. But hoping to turn him into something before he becomes a pumpkin on my roster.
 
You could potentially get Ward in the middle of the round. You can certainly get Dart later.
Teams 3 & 4 also need QB. No way Cam slips past them both. Just another data point. Also I have none picks in this draft, so Dart is out for me.

Why don’t you think Ward is a long-term starter? He’s certainly worked his butt off at every level. High character guy who’s gone from a 0-star recruit to a 1.01 pick.
 
You could potentially get Ward in the middle of the round. You can certainly get Dart later.
Teams 3 & 4 also need QB. No way Cam slips past them both. Just another data point. Also I have none picks in this draft, so Dart is out for me.

Why don’t you think Ward is a long-term starter? He’s certainly worked his butt off at every level. High character guy who’s gone from a 0-star recruit to a 1.01 pick.
It's certainly not a critique on his character.

I just don't love him or this QB class as a whole. I think he's the best QB of a mid bunch, and the Titans felt like they had to go QB.

He's not an elite, everyone has been waiting for you, prospect like Williams, Lawrence, etc. He comes into a Titans offense without a ton of help. Ridley and the ghost of Lockett.

I'm a Titans fan. I hope he kills it.

But if this team isn't showing strides in over the next 2 years, Callahan may be on his way out. And then new regime, who knows what happens. He'll be given every chance to succeed. And what I'm saying is true of every rookie QB. I just wasn't convinced by what I've seen of Ward. I'm certainly not an NFL scout. But that's my view on him.
 
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In a 12-team SF league my QB situation is, well, less than optimal.

It’s PPR SF, start 10, no D/ST, no K

My team’s pretty stacked everywhere but QB, though not super deep.

QBs: Darnold (who I just traded for), Russ, ARich
WR: Chase, ARSB, AJB, Higgins (Ridley, Bateman, Calvin Austin, Iosivas, Mike Williams, Gabe Davis)

Offer sent to me:
I give Tee Higgins+Russ+2026 2nd
I get: 1.02 (1.01 is Jeanty)

Is this a smash accept and worth about WR later? I’ve been running out a makeshift QB room for 2 years, and lost the LCG last year because I didn’t have a QB2 by the time I got there.

Cam Ward seems like a solid player, but the Titans are kind of a trainwreck. If I do this I’d be limping along with Ridley as my WR4.

Drop-off from Higgins to Ridley as a starter worth getting Cam? Advice appreciated.
I wouldn't do it to get Ward.

1. I don't feel like he's a slam dunk long term QB. The Titans do. And surely they know more than I do. But this QB class as a whole is obviously weaker than we'd like.

2. I honestly prefer Hunter and the running backs before Ward even in SF. If you wanted to move up to the 1.02 to get Hunter, I can get down with that. I don't think Russ has any long term value, so it's essentially Higgins/2 for Hunter. I'm a big believer in picking the best player rather than picking for need.

You could potentially get Ward in the middle of the round. You can certainly get Dart later.

I'd shop the Higgins/Russ/2 around to see what proven QB you can get.

Agree with @jm192 here. I'd just shop Higgins/Russ/2 to a QB rich team. You'd have to find the right trade partner, but I think you can and should aim higher than trading for 1.02 and taking Ward.
 
You could potentially get Ward in the middle of the round. You can certainly get Dart later.
Teams 3 & 4 also need QB. No way Cam slips past them both. Just another data point. Also I have none picks in this draft, so Dart is out for me.

Why don’t you think Ward is a long-term starter? He’s certainly worked his butt off at every level. High character guy who’s gone from a 0-star recruit to a 1.01 pick.
It's certainly not a critique on his character.

I just don't love him or this QB class as a whole. I think he's the best QB of a mid bunch, and the Titans felt like they had to go QB.

He's not an elite, everyone has been waiting for you, prospect like Williams, Lawrence, etc. He comes into a Titans offense without a ton of help. Ridley and the ghost of Lockett.

I'm a Titans fan. I hope he kills it.

But if this team isn't showing strides in over the next 2 years, Callahan may be on his way out. And then new regime, who knows what happens. He'll be given every chance to succeed. And what I'm saying is true of every rookie QB. I just wasn't convinced by what I've seen of Ward. I'm certainly not an NFL scout. But that's my view on him.
Draft sharks has really warmed up to him. Praising his legs, downfield throws, degree of competition he faced.

They basically say if he came out last year he’d have been the QB3 in that class ahead of Nix & Pennix.

They also praise his improv ability and underrated rushing ability. They see him as a top 12 FF upside guy.

Ugh. This decision is killing me. The offer is up. I might be able to get the 3.06 back instead of Lock (who I have little interest in) - it seems so affordable for a potentially solid SF QB.

What I’ve watched of him looks good. Waldman is high on his arm & ability, but sees that he needs polish in decision making, and performing under pressure. I’ve been trying to find as much as I can and there seems to be more good than bad.
 
Agree with @jm192 here. I'd just shop Higgins/Russ/2 to a QB rich team. You'd have to find the right trade partner, but I think you can and should aim higher than trading for 1.02 and taking Ward.
Context: I’ve been trying to get a QB for 3 months in that league. No one has them. The one team that has 4 doesn’t want Tee or AJB and they’re already stacked at WR.

A team with 3 QB 2 of them are running QB and they want to keep the insurance policy.

It’s impossible to get one elsewhere. I just overpaid for Darnold. :doh:

So this is literally my best and only chance at a QB. If I don’t pull the trigger here, I’m running out Darnold, ARich, Russ all year. Thus the existential crisis I’m experiencing. lol
 
Just perused the 10 other rosters.

The breakdown isn’t pretty. The one team with 4 QB is the guy who beat me in the LCG last year by 6 points. He’s straight up told me he won’t deal me a QB as I’m his biggest threat. He’s also loaded at WR.


Of the other 9, I’ve tried and failed to get a QB from 7 of them. They either don’t want Tee or AJB, or they have 1 “mobile” QB and want to carry 3 for the insurance.

That leaves either this opportunity to get Ward, or I go into the season with Darnold, Russ, and ARich.
:cry:
 
Trying to figure out what I can flip Tyreke Hill for. Anyone sold recently? I'll hold him if I can't get something of decent value. But hoping to turn him into something before he becomes a pumpkin on my roster.

Not sold, but bought 2 months ago. Trying to improve a title team which just squeaked it. FFPC, 1 QB, Best Ball.

Gave: Pickens, 2.12
Got: Tyreek Hill, Alvin Kamara

RBs were very thin last year. But mostly I wanted rid of Pickens. He wasn't going to be happy as the #2 in Pittsburgh and he wasn't getting a new deal there. Pickens prospects in Dallas are better than when I traded him, but still won't be surprised if he's out of the NFL in a few years.
 
Trying to figure out what I can flip Tyreke Hill for. Anyone sold recently? I'll hold him if I can't get something of decent value. But hoping to turn him into something before he becomes a pumpkin on my roster.
Pick wise he's in a weird spot. Worth somewhere between a late 1st and early 2nd but doubtful anyone except a contender is buying him, and doubtful a contender is giving you a 1st for him. But a contender's 2nd will be late and an undersell.

Probably already at a point in his career where you'll have to be on the slightly losing side of trade to move him, but if you can turn him into a young WR with upside I think it's still a win. Find someone with depressed value in a poor situation you can wait it out till it gets better. Jerry Jeudy/Jayden Reed/Josh Downs are the three comparable in value I'd look at that are all better talents being held back by situations that should hopefully improve sooner than later. Shakir just got extended for four years and is really Josh Allens number 1 without any competition added this offseason, might be a good swap candidate too.

Edit: this is obviously if you aren't contending. If you feel good about your chances at winning the league, he's a definite hold.
 
Just perused the 10 other rosters.

The breakdown isn’t pretty. The one team with 4 QB is the guy who beat me in the LCG last year by 6 points. He’s straight up told me he won’t deal me a QB as I’m his biggest threat. He’s also loaded at WR.


Of the other 9, I’ve tried and failed to get a QB from 7 of them. They either don’t want Tee or AJB, or they have 1 “mobile” QB and want to carry 3 for the insurance.

That leaves either this opportunity to get Ward, or I go into the season with Darnold, Russ, and ARich.
:cry:
Get Ward, then. Do I think he's the next coming? No. But do I think he's got the opportunity and skills to be a QB10-15? Absolutely. In a QB starved league like this one, you'll either have to vastly overpay or take some risks. This seems like a pretty acceptable risk, IMO.
 
QB10-15? Absolutely
This would be a 100% win for me here.

It sounds like others aren’t convinced this is a possibility.
Probably. I've warmed to Ward a ton since the draft and have had the time to actually watch some film. He has a big arm, underrated wheels, and definitely some moxy. And he's said all the right things pre and post draft. He's worth the gamble in your case , Imo.
 
QB10-15? Absolutely
This would be a 100% win for me here.

It sounds like others aren’t convinced this is a possibility.
Probably. I've warmed to Ward a ton since the draft and have had the time to actually watch some film. He has a big arm, underrated wheels, and definitely some moxy. And he's said all the right things pre and post draft. He's worth the gamble in your case , Imo.
Appreciate the feedback from you, and everyone else too. Thanks everyone. I countered for the one.02 and 3.06. That would get me one more bullet to fire at a running back later in the draft.
 
Just perused the 10 other rosters.

The breakdown isn’t pretty. The one team with 4 QB is the guy who beat me in the LCG last year by 6 points. He’s straight up told me he won’t deal me a QB as I’m his biggest threat. He’s also loaded at WR.


Of the other 9, I’ve tried and failed to get a QB from 7 of them. They either don’t want Tee or AJB, or they have 1 “mobile” QB and want to carry 3 for the insurance.

That leaves either this opportunity to get Ward, or I go into the season with Darnold, Russ, and ARich.
:cry:

I'm not sure what you offered the other owners but if you're considering the Ward offer but don't really like him, why not take those same pieces and make the exact same offer to other owners to try to get QBs that are similarly valued to Ward. Just to see if you get a bite while giving up the same pieces.

Via KTC that would be guys like Murray, Purdy, Baker, Goff, Dak, Young.
 
Just perused the 10 other rosters.

The breakdown isn’t pretty. The one team with 4 QB is the guy who beat me in the LCG last year by 6 points. He’s straight up told me he won’t deal me a QB as I’m his biggest threat. He’s also loaded at WR.


Of the other 9, I’ve tried and failed to get a QB from 7 of them. They either don’t want Tee or AJB, or they have 1 “mobile” QB and want to carry 3 for the insurance.

That leaves either this opportunity to get Ward, or I go into the season with Darnold, Russ, and ARich.
:cry:

I'm not sure what you offered the other owners but if you're considering the Ward offer but don't really like him, why not take those same pieces and make the exact same offer to other owners to try to get QBs that are similarly valued to Ward. Just to see if you get a bite while giving up the same pieces.

Via KTC that would be guys like Murray, Purdy, Baker, Goff, Dak, Young.
Tried every one of them.

Was offering combinations of Tee, AJB, 2026 2nd, 2026 3rd, 2027 1st, 2027 2nd.

Just a weird flukey league with a combination of 1. Hoarders, 2. Bad fit (teams with 3/4 QB not needing WR or wanting future picks) or teams only having 2 in SF.

It’s harder to get a guy in here than it’s been in my 2x 16 team leagues!

Believe me, if I coulda landed a guy like the ones you listed I wouldn’t have invested in Darnold and I wouldn’t be overspending on Ward, if it gets done. :doh:

I exercised every option over about a 3 month span.
 
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Trying to figure out what I can flip Tyreke Hill for. Anyone sold recently? I'll hold him if I can't get something of decent value. But hoping to turn him into something before he becomes a pumpkin on my roster.
Pick wise he's in a weird spot. Worth somewhere between a late 1st and early 2nd but doubtful anyone except a contender is buying him, and doubtful a contender is giving you a 1st for him. But a contender's 2nd will be late and an undersell.

Probably already at a point in his career where you'll have to be on the slightly losing side of trade to move him, but if you can turn him into a young WR with upside I think it's still a win. Find someone with depressed value in a poor situation you can wait it out till it gets better. Jerry Jeudy/Jayden Reed/Josh Downs are the three comparable in value I'd look at that are all better talents being held back by situations that should hopefully improve sooner than later. Shakir just got extended for four years and is really Josh Allens number 1 without any competition added this offseason, might be a good swap candidate too.

Edit: this is obviously if you aren't contending. If you feel good about your chances at winning the league, he's a definite hold.
Not sure what is harder to believe. That about a month ago someone offered me 1.8 for him or that I turned it down.
 
QB10-15? Absolutely
This would be a 100% win for me here.

It sounds like others aren’t convinced this is a possibility.
I'd certainly cede that it's a possibility.

For Tee Higgins and a 2nd, I'd want a probability.

I know KeepTradeCut isn't perfect and certainly not the Bible. It's a reference point. It has Ward as QB14 and has this as a major overpay. They rate the difference equal to a late 1st, Waddle, or even Jameson Williams.

Without ever looking at KeepTradeCut, I thought it was already an overpay. Those 2nd round picks in SF often yield good players.

You're saying you feel like you have to overpay to ever get a QB. I can certainly appreciate that.

The problem becomes--what if Ward doesn't pan out? It's one thing to a pick a guy that may not pan out. It's maybe the same thing to trade ~perceived fair market value. But when you're full blown overpaying it becomes a double whammy if he busts. That's a big shot for any dynasty team to absorb. And I would be hesitant to feel forced into a potentially risky/ bad move out of necessity.

At the end of the day, there's some gambling here. And you have to decide if you think he's worth the gamble. I appreciate the reasons you feel compelled to do it. I don't think anyone's going to think you're crazy for doing it. But I certainly think it's an overpay with some significant downside if things go wrong.
 
Just perused the 10 other rosters.

The breakdown isn’t pretty. The one team with 4 QB is the guy who beat me in the LCG last year by 6 points. He’s straight up told me he won’t deal me a QB as I’m his biggest threat. He’s also loaded at WR.


Of the other 9, I’ve tried and failed to get a QB from 7 of them. They either don’t want Tee or AJB, or they have 1 “mobile” QB and want to carry 3 for the insurance.

That leaves either this opportunity to get Ward, or I go into the season with Darnold, Russ, and ARich.
:cry:

I'm not sure what you offered the other owners but if you're considering the Ward offer but don't really like him, why not take those same pieces and make the exact same offer to other owners to try to get QBs that are similarly valued to Ward. Just to see if you get a bite while giving up the same pieces.

Via KTC that would be guys like Murray, Purdy, Baker, Goff, Dak, Young.
Tried every one of them.

Was offering combinations of Tee, AJB, 2026 2nd, 2026 3rd, 2027 1st, 2027 2nd.

Just a weird flukey league with a combination of 1. Hoarders, 2. Bad fit (teams with 3/4 QB not needing WR or wanting future picks) or teams only having 2 in SF.

It’s harder to get a guy in here than it’s been in my 2x 16 team leagues!

Believe me, if I coulda landed a guy like the ones you listed I wouldn’t have invested in Darnold and I wouldn’t be overspending on Ward, if it gets done. :doh:

I exercised every option over about a 3 month span.
I feel you, been trying to find just a Bye week #3 type QB in my SF and no one wants to sell a QB unless it's a massive overpay or unless I kick back one of my 2 starters (Purdy, Stroud.) Counters like I give Lamb+Purdy to get Mahomes which I wasn't willing to do. We have a mix of hoarders, teams with two starters like mine, and other teams almost completely punting the position but strong elsewhere. I couldn't trade up for Ward, and I moved back from 12 to 2.02 only to have 2.01 snag Dart despite being set at QB. I could have had Milroe or Sanders but no guarantee they start anytime soon so I traded out of those picks for additional picks next year. I'm just going to have to hope my guys stay healthy and play a little better than last year (even though I won the league last year it was on the strength of the rest of my team and a lot of luck.)
 
Just perused the 10 other rosters.

The breakdown isn’t pretty. The one team with 4 QB is the guy who beat me in the LCG last year by 6 points. He’s straight up told me he won’t deal me a QB as I’m his biggest threat. He’s also loaded at WR.


Of the other 9, I’ve tried and failed to get a QB from 7 of them. They either don’t want Tee or AJB, or they have 1 “mobile” QB and want to carry 3 for the insurance.

That leaves either this opportunity to get Ward, or I go into the season with Darnold, Russ, and ARich.
:cry:

I'm not sure what you offered the other owners but if you're considering the Ward offer but don't really like him, why not take those same pieces and make the exact same offer to other owners to try to get QBs that are similarly valued to Ward. Just to see if you get a bite while giving up the same pieces.

Via KTC that would be guys like Murray, Purdy, Baker, Goff, Dak, Young.
Tried every one of them.

Was offering combinations of Tee, AJB, 2026 2nd, 2026 3rd, 2027 1st, 2027 2nd.

Just a weird flukey league with a combination of 1. Hoarders, 2. Bad fit (teams with 3/4 QB not needing WR or wanting future picks) or teams only having 2 in SF.

It’s harder to get a guy in here than it’s been in my 2x 16 team leagues!

Believe me, if I coulda landed a guy like the ones you listed I wouldn’t have invested in Darnold and I wouldn’t be overspending on Ward, if it gets done. :doh:

I exercised every option over about a 3 month span.
I feel you, been trying to find just a Bye week #3 type QB in my SF and no one wants to sell a QB unless it's a massive overpay or unless I kick back one of my 2 starters (Purdy, Stroud.) Counters like I give Lamb+Purdy to get Mahomes which I wasn't willing to do. We have a mix of hoarders, teams with two starters like mine, and other teams almost completely punting the position but strong elsewhere. I couldn't trade up for Ward, and I moved back from 12 to 2.02 only to have 2.01 snag Dart despite being set at QB. I could have had Milroe or Sanders but no guarantee they start anytime soon so I traded out of those picks for additional picks next year. I'm just going to have to hope my guys stay healthy and play a little better than last year (even though I won the league last year it was on the strength of the rest of my team and a lot of luck.)
Ouch - yeah, that’s just like this league. Somehow there’s only 1 rebuilding team, and they have Mahomes (they just dealt the 1.01 for Mahomes++ to a raiders homer) so they’re not gonna move him.

A perfect storm of frustration.

I just got it done for the 1.02 + 3.06. Screw it. For those who have Tee Higgins, congrats on him finally starting/playing all 17 games since that was my last share.
lol

Hopefully I get a decent player at 30th overall.
 
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QB10-15? Absolutely
This would be a 100% win for me here.

It sounds like others aren’t convinced this is a possibility.
I'd certainly cede that it's a possibility.

For Tee Higgins and a 2nd, I'd want a probability.

I know KeepTradeCut isn't perfect and certainly not the Bible. It's a reference point. It has Ward as QB14 and has this as a major overpay. They rate the difference equal to a late 1st, Waddle, or even Jameson Williams.

Without ever looking at KeepTradeCut, I thought it was already an overpay. Those 2nd round picks in SF often yield good players.

You're saying you feel like you have to overpay to ever get a QB. I can certainly appreciate that.

The problem becomes--what if Ward doesn't pan out? It's one thing to a pick a guy that may not pan out. It's maybe the same thing to trade ~perceived fair market value. But when you're full blown overpaying it becomes a double whammy if he busts. That's a big shot for any dynasty team to absorb. And I would be hesitant to feel forced into a potentially risky/ bad move out of necessity.

At the end of the day, there's some gambling here. And you have to decide if you think he's worth the gamble. I appreciate the reasons you feel compelled to do it. I don't think anyone's going to think you're crazy for doing it. But I certainly think it's an overpay with some significant downside if things go wrong.
Oh it’s absolutely an overpay. lol

I absolutely know I’m overpaying - I disagree that it’s by a 1st. KTC vastly overrates draft picks, IMO. It’s my least favorite calc.

That said, I believe I’m giving the dude a free 2nd+ for sure. And it’s absolutely a gamble.

And if it fails, I gave up Higgins for a brick & whatever I get at 3.06. With my luck it’ll be a matching brick. :lol:
 
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QB10-15? Absolutely
This would be a 100% win for me here.

It sounds like others aren’t convinced this is a possibility.
I'd certainly cede that it's a possibility.

For Tee Higgins and a 2nd, I'd want a probability.

I know KeepTradeCut isn't perfect and certainly not the Bible. It's a reference point. It has Ward as QB14 and has this as a major overpay. They rate the difference equal to a late 1st, Waddle, or even Jameson Williams.

Without ever looking at KeepTradeCut, I thought it was already an overpay. Those 2nd round picks in SF often yield good players.

You're saying you feel like you have to overpay to ever get a QB. I can certainly appreciate that.

The problem becomes--what if Ward doesn't pan out? It's one thing to a pick a guy that may not pan out. It's maybe the same thing to trade ~perceived fair market value. But when you're full blown overpaying it becomes a double whammy if he busts. That's a big shot for any dynasty team to absorb. And I would be hesitant to feel forced into a potentially risky/ bad move out of necessity.

At the end of the day, there's some gambling here. And you have to decide if you think he's worth the gamble. I appreciate the reasons you feel compelled to do it. I don't think anyone's going to think you're crazy for doing it. But I certainly think it's an overpay with some significant downside if things go wrong.
Oh it’s absolutely an overpay. lol

I absolutely know I’m overpaying - I disagree that it’s by a 1st. KTC vastly overrates draft picks, IMO. It’s my least favorite calc.

That said, I believe I’m giving the dude a free 2nd+ for sure. And it’s absolutely a gamble.

And if it fails, I gave up Higgins for a brick & whatever I get at 3.06. With my luck it’ll be a matching brick. :lol:
Yeah when I feed it into KTC, it's more like the 2.12 coming back to even it out. But I agree, it's very much a four quarters is worth more than a dollar type of calculator so best take it with a heavy grain of salt.
 
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QB10-15? Absolutely
This would be a 100% win for me here.

It sounds like others aren’t convinced this is a possibility.
I'd certainly cede that it's a possibility.

For Tee Higgins and a 2nd, I'd want a probability.

I know KeepTradeCut isn't perfect and certainly not the Bible. It's a reference point. It has Ward as QB14 and has this as a major overpay. They rate the difference equal to a late 1st, Waddle, or even Jameson Williams.

Without ever looking at KeepTradeCut, I thought it was already an overpay. Those 2nd round picks in SF often yield good players.

You're saying you feel like you have to overpay to ever get a QB. I can certainly appreciate that.

The problem becomes--what if Ward doesn't pan out? It's one thing to a pick a guy that may not pan out. It's maybe the same thing to trade ~perceived fair market value. But when you're full blown overpaying it becomes a double whammy if he busts. That's a big shot for any dynasty team to absorb. And I would be hesitant to feel forced into a potentially risky/ bad move out of necessity.

At the end of the day, there's some gambling here. And you have to decide if you think he's worth the gamble. I appreciate the reasons you feel compelled to do it. I don't think anyone's going to think you're crazy for doing it. But I certainly think it's an overpay with some significant downside if things go wrong.
Oh it’s absolutely an overpay. lol

I absolutely know I’m overpaying - I disagree that it’s by a 1st. KTC vastly overrates draft picks, IMO. It’s my least favorite calc.

That said, I believe I’m giving the dude a free 2nd+ for sure. And it’s absolutely a gamble.

And if it fails, I gave up Higgins for a brick & whatever I get at 3.06. With my luck it’ll be a matching brick. :lol:
Yeah when I feed it into KTC, it's more like the 2.12 coming back to even it out. But I agree, it's very much a four quarters is worth more than a dollar type of calculator so best take it with a heavy grain of salt.
Well, for my sake, and the sake of your Titans, let’s hope Cam is a beast in the pros. He’s certainly put in the work to get there and then some. I have no doubt he’ll work hard.

One note though… And I say this is somebody who fell for the upside of Anthony Richardson… this is a guy who played football for many years at a high level in college. To the point that he went from a zero star recruit to a potential Heisman winner and then the 1.01

That, to me, is a massive difference in experience than what Richardson had coming in. I think folks are somewhat traumatized by Will Levis and Anthony Richardson, and evaluating Cam from that context. From what I’ve put together, he seems like a much more polished prospect than either. That at least gives me a little bit of confidence.
 
QB10-15? Absolutely
This would be a 100% win for me here.

It sounds like others aren’t convinced this is a possibility.
I'd certainly cede that it's a possibility.

For Tee Higgins and a 2nd, I'd want a probability.

I know KeepTradeCut isn't perfect and certainly not the Bible. It's a reference point. It has Ward as QB14 and has this as a major overpay. They rate the difference equal to a late 1st, Waddle, or even Jameson Williams.

Without ever looking at KeepTradeCut, I thought it was already an overpay. Those 2nd round picks in SF often yield good players.

You're saying you feel like you have to overpay to ever get a QB. I can certainly appreciate that.

The problem becomes--what if Ward doesn't pan out? It's one thing to a pick a guy that may not pan out. It's maybe the same thing to trade ~perceived fair market value. But when you're full blown overpaying it becomes a double whammy if he busts. That's a big shot for any dynasty team to absorb. And I would be hesitant to feel forced into a potentially risky/ bad move out of necessity.

At the end of the day, there's some gambling here. And you have to decide if you think he's worth the gamble. I appreciate the reasons you feel compelled to do it. I don't think anyone's going to think you're crazy for doing it. But I certainly think it's an overpay with some significant downside if things go wrong.
Such is life in this type of league. If you don't have a 2nd QB, you're simply not competitive and depending on roster makeup, it sounds like HSG plans to compete this season. In that context, you have to either 1) forgo the season altogether and hope you get a very high draft pick in 2026 to HOPEFULLY compete in 2027 or 2) you take the gamble now. Overpay now in your competitive window or soft reboot your roster to hopefully get a stud for 2-3 years down the road.

So many teams who aren't QB needy in these leagues burn a 1st on QBs because they can be a lottery ticket. Honestly, it kinda puts me off of superflex without some serious weighting on the QB stats.
 
Such is life in this type of league. If you don't have a 2nd QB, you're simply not competitive and depending on roster makeup, it sounds like HSG plans to compete this season. In that context, you have to either 1) forgo the season altogether and hope you get a very high draft pick in 2026 to HOPEFULLY compete in 2027 or 2) you take the gamble now. Overpay now in your competitive window or soft reboot your roster to hopefully get a stud for 2-3 years down the road.
Exactly this.

Do I wipe the slate and start over when I lost in the LCG last season?

Trade my 3x top 10 WR for a redo?

Or do I take a gamble to get back to the promised land this year? I’m just not wired to throw in the towel on a team with Ja’Marr & ARSB.
So many teams who aren't QB needy in these leagues burn a 1st on QBs because they can be a lottery ticket. Honestly, it kinda puts me off of superflex without some serious weighting on the QB stats.
It really does create a resource issue.

In both my SF leagues I’ve been fortunate to have 2 QB but it took work to get them in those as well.

SF makes for a challenging format, but i really do think I prefer 1 QB leagues.
 
Such is life in this type of league. If you don't have a 2nd QB, you're simply not competitive and depending on roster makeup, it sounds like HSG plans to compete this season. In that context, you have to either 1) forgo the season altogether and hope you get a very high draft pick in 2026 to HOPEFULLY compete in 2027 or 2) you take the gamble now. Overpay now in your competitive window or soft reboot your roster to hopefully get a stud for 2-3 years down the road.
Exactly this.

Do I wipe the slate and start over when I lost in the LCG last season?

Trade my 3x top 10 WR for a redo?

Or do I take a gamble to get back to the promised land this year? I’m just not wired to throw in the towel on a team with Ja’Marr & ARSB.
So many teams who aren't QB needy in these leagues burn a 1st on QBs because they can be a lottery ticket. Honestly, it kinda puts me off of superflex without some serious weighting on the QB stats.
It really does create a resource issue.

In both my SF leagues I’ve been fortunate to have 2 QB but it took work to get them in those as well.

SF makes for a challenging format, but i really do think I prefer 1 QB leagues.

Given your league context, I can’t blame you for taking the trade and drafting Ward. I have an orphan I took over that had 1.02 and I honestly felt like Ward being a solid QB2 would do more damage to my rebuild than if I took Hampton and kept QB2 a black hole (for now).
 
Given your league context, I can’t blame you for taking the trade and drafting Ward. I have an orphan I took over that had 1.02 and I honestly felt like Ward being a solid QB2 would do more damage to my rebuild than if I took Hampton and kept QB2 a black hole (for now).
Yeah, my picks cupboard is bare at this point, and I’ve got a pretty strong team. If the gamble pays off I’ll be pretty excited.
 
Given your league context, I can’t blame you for taking the trade and drafting Ward. I have an orphan I took over that had 1.02 and I honestly felt like Ward being a solid QB2 would do more damage to my rebuild than if I took Hampton and kept QB2 a black hole (for now).
Yeah, my picks cupboard is bare at this point, and I’ve got a pretty strong team. If the gamble pays off I’ll be pretty excited.

Most trades are somewhat league and team-need specific. There’s nothing more frustrating than exhausting all avenues to improve a position and being stuck in purgatory as a result.
 
Such is life in this type of league. If you don't have a 2nd QB, you're simply not competitive and depending on roster makeup, it sounds like HSG plans to compete this season. In that context, you have to either 1) forgo the season altogether and hope you get a very high draft pick in 2026 to HOPEFULLY compete in 2027 or 2) you take the gamble now. Overpay now in your competitive window or soft reboot your roster to hopefully get a stud for 2-3 years down the road.
Exactly this.

Do I wipe the slate and start over when I lost in the LCG last season?

Trade my 3x top 10 WR for a redo?

Or do I take a gamble to get back to the promised land this year? I’m just not wired to throw in the towel on a team with Ja’Marr & ARSB.
So many teams who aren't QB needy in these leagues burn a 1st on QBs because they can be a lottery ticket. Honestly, it kinda puts me off of superflex without some serious weighting on the QB stats.
It really does create a resource issue.

In both my SF leagues I’ve been fortunate to have 2 QB but it took work to get them in those as well.

SF makes for a challenging format, but i really do think I prefer 1 QB leagues.

Given your league context, I can’t blame you for taking the trade and drafting Ward. I have an orphan I took over that had 1.02 and I honestly felt like Ward being a solid QB2 would do more damage to my rebuild than if I took Hampton and kept QB2 a black hole (for now).
My biggest issue with taking Hampton (and I love Hampton) on a rebuild is that he does nothing to shorten your contending timeframe. You still have a black hole at QB and even if you're able to draft two stud QBs in 2026, you're still realistically 2-3 years from contending. By then Hampton is working toward his 2nd contract. RBs have such notoriously short shelf life in leagues that I try my best to acquire QBs, WRs, TEs, and then RBs in that order. Sure, it's draft dependent, but if you can stick to that blueprint, you'll be competing sooner IMO.
 
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QB10-15? Absolutely
This would be a 100% win for me here.

It sounds like others aren’t convinced this is a possibility.
I'd certainly cede that it's a possibility.

For Tee Higgins and a 2nd, I'd want a probability.

I know KeepTradeCut isn't perfect and certainly not the Bible. It's a reference point. It has Ward as QB14 and has this as a major overpay. They rate the difference equal to a late 1st, Waddle, or even Jameson Williams.

Without ever looking at KeepTradeCut, I thought it was already an overpay. Those 2nd round picks in SF often yield good players.

You're saying you feel like you have to overpay to ever get a QB. I can certainly appreciate that.

The problem becomes--what if Ward doesn't pan out? It's one thing to a pick a guy that may not pan out. It's maybe the same thing to trade ~perceived fair market value. But when you're full blown overpaying it becomes a double whammy if he busts. That's a big shot for any dynasty team to absorb. And I would be hesitant to feel forced into a potentially risky/ bad move out of necessity.

At the end of the day, there's some gambling here. And you have to decide if you think he's worth the gamble. I appreciate the reasons you feel compelled to do it. I don't think anyone's going to think you're crazy for doing it. But I certainly think it's an overpay with some significant downside if things go wrong.
Oh it’s absolutely an overpay. lol

I absolutely know I’m overpaying - I disagree that it’s by a 1st. KTC vastly overrates draft picks, IMO. It’s my least favorite calc.

That said, I believe I’m giving the dude a free 2nd+ for sure. And it’s absolutely a gamble.

And if it fails, I gave up Higgins for a brick & whatever I get at 3.06. With my luck it’ll be a matching brick. :lol:
Yeah when I feed it into KTC, it's more like the 2.12 coming back to even it out. But I agree, it's very much a four quarters is worth more than a dollar type of calculator so best take it with a heavy grain of salt.

Errr, isn't KTC the opposite of that? It's the only calculator (or at least the original, if others have started copying it) that adds a penalty to the side with more parts, specifically to avoid just adding up pennies for a dollar.

Granted, it's not perfect as that is something that's very difficult to account for algorithmically, but you can't just add up four random 2nds to get Jamaar Chase like you can on most calcs. Eventually if you add enough crazy stuff you'll probably get there, but every time you add an additional piece it applies a penalty to try and account for that.
 

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