Electric Cars (Tesla and Others) (3 Viewers)

[Psychopav]

$650 payment but will likely save $250 in gas

250 bucks in gas for a month? that's a lot of driving

I'm considering an EV, my challenge is we live in a Condo and there really are not charging stations set up here, not sure how I could charge it at home
My son is getting free charging at his work, and yes the stations are of course set up close to the building.
The company employs a lot of folks, many need a golf cart to get from the parking lot all the way to the front door, EV gets curbside spots

Do not get an EV if you can’t charge at home.

I think the answer is a firm No for me.
Now if I were reporting to an office 5-10 miles away everyday and they supplied charging stations for free, and I was only going to use the car on drives round town and to/from work
Yeah I'd consider it pretty hard so that I didn't have to stop all the time to fuel up and then worry about rising fuel costs
To charge it at work all day while you're there, that should be a thing for more companies, you'd see a lot more folks jumping in on EVs IMO
I see charging stations at places like my tennis club but they are not free

Didn't mean to spam the thread so I'll stop after this, but MoP you would definitely want a Level 2 charger at home. I rarely charge my car anywhere else, and the L2 charger will take me from 20% to 80% in a matter of 3-ish hours at home. There's never been a time when I wasn't able to plan ahead enough to just make sure to plug my car in the night before.

How much space does something like that take up? Is it something I have to have built in front of my parking spot (not likely to be approved) or is it something I can take down from my condo/apt to the car and charge it, then just take it back upstairs or toss it int he trunk?

If you don't own the residence you probably wouldn't be able to accomplish this. I think this is generally considered a barrier to entry in the EV space.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

$650 payment but will likely save $250 in gas

250 bucks in gas for a month? that's a lot of driving

I'm considering an EV, my challenge is we live in a Condo and there really are not charging stations set up here, not sure how I could charge it at home
My son is getting free charging at his work, and yes the stations are of course set up close to the building.
The company employs a lot of folks, many need a golf cart to get from the parking lot all the way to the front door, EV gets curbside spots

Do not get an EV if you can’t charge at home.

I think the answer is a firm No for me.
Now if I were reporting to an office 5-10 miles away everyday and they supplied charging stations for free, and I was only going to use the car on drives round town and to/from work
Yeah I'd consider it pretty hard so that I didn't have to stop all the time to fuel up and then worry about rising fuel costs
To charge it at work all day while you're there, that should be a thing for more companies, you'd see a lot more folks jumping in on EVs IMO
I see charging stations at places like my tennis club but they are not free

Didn't mean to spam the thread so I'll stop after this, but MoP you would definitely want a Level 2 charger at home. I rarely charge my car anywhere else, and the L2 charger will take me from 20% to 80% in a matter of 3-ish hours at home. There's never been a time when I wasn't able to plan ahead enough to just make sure to plug my car in the night before.

How much space does something like that take up? Is it something I have to have built in front of my parking spot (not likely to be approved) or is it something I can take down from my condo/apt to the car and charge it, then just take it back upstairs or toss it int he trunk?

If you don't own the residence you probably wouldn't be able to accomplish this. I think this is generally considered a barrier to entry in the EV space.

I own my condo but still likely a barrier, I'll keep researching
I was surprised what a used EV6 can go for on Carvana, many to choose from.
Let's just say for argument's sake you can get a '22 w/35k miles for under $30k, trade in value plus cash down
Whatever that payment left is offset by monthly fuel cost savings of at least $200 I would estimate and for many it will be a lot more.
I would use the EV as much as possible around town
Seems very inexpensive right now to get into one of these vehicles if you're not buying them brand new

One thing I noticed is this 205-80% don't go under or over these numbers for optimum use, maybe I have this wrong but that's what I read.
If that's true and the car has a max of 275-300 miles, you really only have about 150-175 to stay within those guidelines they set forth.

 

[Instinctive]

$650 payment but will likely save $250 in gas

250 bucks in gas for a month? that's a lot of driving

I'm considering an EV, my challenge is we live in a Condo and there really are not charging stations set up here, not sure how I could charge it at home
My son is getting free charging at his work, and yes the stations are of course set up close to the building.
The company employs a lot of folks, many need a golf cart to get from the parking lot all the way to the front door, EV gets curbside spots

Do not get an EV if you can’t charge at home.

I think the answer is a firm No for me.
Now if I were reporting to an office 5-10 miles away everyday and they supplied charging stations for free, and I was only going to use the car on drives round town and to/from work
Yeah I'd consider it pretty hard so that I didn't have to stop all the time to fuel up and then worry about rising fuel costs
To charge it at work all day while you're there, that should be a thing for more companies, you'd see a lot more folks jumping in on EVs IMO
I see charging stations at places like my tennis club but they are not free

Didn't mean to spam the thread so I'll stop after this, but MoP you would definitely want a Level 2 charger at home. I rarely charge my car anywhere else, and the L2 charger will take me from 20% to 80% in a matter of 3-ish hours at home. There's never been a time when I wasn't able to plan ahead enough to just make sure to plug my car in the night before.

How much space does something like that take up? Is it something I have to have built in front of my parking spot (not likely to be approved) or is it something I can take down from my condo/apt to the car and charge it, then just take it back upstairs or toss it int he trunk?

Mine is on the wall in garage. Takes about 1/2 to 2/3 as much space as a mounted garden hose wheel you wrap the hose around. Same concept. There's a little box next to my breaker box, and it has a hose wrapped around it with a holster for the charger gun thing.

 

[Instinctive]

$650 payment but will likely save $250 in gas

250 bucks in gas for a month? that's a lot of driving

I'm considering an EV, my challenge is we live in a Condo and there really are not charging stations set up here, not sure how I could charge it at home
My son is getting free charging at his work, and yes the stations are of course set up close to the building.
The company employs a lot of folks, many need a golf cart to get from the parking lot all the way to the front door, EV gets curbside spots

Do not get an EV if you can’t charge at home.

I think the answer is a firm No for me.
Now if I were reporting to an office 5-10 miles away everyday and they supplied charging stations for free, and I was only going to use the car on drives round town and to/from work
Yeah I'd consider it pretty hard so that I didn't have to stop all the time to fuel up and then worry about rising fuel costs
To charge it at work all day while you're there, that should be a thing for more companies, you'd see a lot more folks jumping in on EVs IMO
I see charging stations at places like my tennis club but they are not free

Didn't mean to spam the thread so I'll stop after this, but MoP you would definitely want a Level 2 charger at home. I rarely charge my car anywhere else, and the L2 charger will take me from 20% to 80% in a matter of 3-ish hours at home. There's never been a time when I wasn't able to plan ahead enough to just make sure to plug my car in the night before.

How much space does something like that take up? Is it something I have to have built in front of my parking spot (not likely to be approved) or is it something I can take down from my condo/apt to the car and charge it, then just take it back upstairs or toss it int he trunk?

If you don't own the residence you probably wouldn't be able to accomplish this. I think this is generally considered a barrier to entry in the EV space.

I own my condo but still likely a barrier, I'll keep researching
I was surprised what a used EV6 can go for on Carvana, many to choose from.
Let's just say for argument's sake you can get a '22 w/35k miles for under $30k, trade in value plus cash down
Whatever that payment left is offset by monthly fuel cost savings of at least $200 I would estimate and for many it will be a lot more.
I would use the EV as much as possible around town
Seems very inexpensive right now to get into one of these vehicles if you're not buying them brand new

One thing I noticed is this 205-80% don't go under or over these numbers for optimum use, maybe I have this wrong but that's what I read.
If that's true and the car has a max of 275-300 miles, you really only have about 150-175 to stay within those guidelines they set forth.

There's day to day and there's exceptions. I basically keep mine between 50-75% on a week to week basis. Generally charge it once a week.

For a long trip, I go to 100% and I try to make sure I'm not getting down much under 20%. For me, that's a reliable 300-320 miles, unless I drive like a maniac or weather is bad.

 

[the moops]

$650 payment but will likely save $250 in gas

250 bucks in gas for a month? that's a lot of driving

I'm considering an EV, my challenge is we live in a Condo and there really are not charging stations set up here, not sure how I could charge it at home
My son is getting free charging at his work, and yes the stations are of course set up close to the building.
The company employs a lot of folks, many need a golf cart to get from the parking lot all the way to the front door, EV gets curbside spots

Do not get an EV if you can’t charge at home.

I think the answer is a firm No for me.
Now if I were reporting to an office 5-10 miles away everyday and they supplied charging stations for free, and I was only going to use the car on drives round town and to/from work
Yeah I'd consider it pretty hard so that I didn't have to stop all the time to fuel up and then worry about rising fuel costs
To charge it at work all day while you're there, that should be a thing for more companies, you'd see a lot more folks jumping in on EVs IMO
I see charging stations at places like my tennis club but they are not free

Didn't mean to spam the thread so I'll stop after this, but MoP you would definitely want a Level 2 charger at home. I rarely charge my car anywhere else, and the L2 charger will take me from 20% to 80% in a matter of 3-ish hours at home. There's never been a time when I wasn't able to plan ahead enough to just make sure to plug my car in the night before.

How much space does something like that take up? Is it something I have to have built in front of my parking spot (not likely to be approved) or is it something I can take down from my condo/apt to the car and charge it, then just take it back upstairs or toss it int he trunk?

Mine is on the wall in garage. Takes about 1/2 to 2/3 as much space as a mounted garden hose wheel you wrap the hose around. Same concept. There's a little box next to my breaker box, and it has a hose wrapped around it with a holster for the charger gun thing.

I just have a 240 V outlet in my garage that takes up no more space than a traditional outlet (well maybe a little more). So there may be some world where your condo would either install that type of outlet, or even more ideal they put in a few level 2 chargers (which also creates some issues as to who gets to use them when though)

 

[fruity pebbles]

$650 payment but will likely save $250 in gas

250 bucks in gas for a month? that's a lot of driving

I'm considering an EV, my challenge is we live in a Condo and there really are not charging stations set up here, not sure how I could charge it at home
My son is getting free charging at his work, and yes the stations are of course set up close to the building.
The company employs a lot of folks, many need a golf cart to get from the parking lot all the way to the front door, EV gets curbside spots

Do not get an EV if you can’t charge at home.

I think the answer is a firm No for me.
Now if I were reporting to an office 5-10 miles away everyday and they supplied charging stations for free, and I was only going to use the car on drives round town and to/from work
Yeah I'd consider it pretty hard so that I didn't have to stop all the time to fuel up and then worry about rising fuel costs
To charge it at work all day while you're there, that should be a thing for more companies, you'd see a lot more folks jumping in on EVs IMO
I see charging stations at places like my tennis club but they are not free

Didn't mean to spam the thread so I'll stop after this, but MoP you would definitely want a Level 2 charger at home. I rarely charge my car anywhere else, and the L2 charger will take me from 20% to 80% in a matter of 3-ish hours at home. There's never been a time when I wasn't able to plan ahead enough to just make sure to plug my car in the night before.

How much space does something like that take up? Is it something I have to have built in front of my parking spot (not likely to be approved) or is it something I can take down from my condo/apt to the car and charge it, then just take it back upstairs or toss it int he trunk?

If you don't own the residence you probably wouldn't be able to accomplish this. I think this is generally considered a barrier to entry in the EV space.

I own my condo but still likely a barrier, I'll keep researching
I was surprised what a used EV6 can go for on Carvana, many to choose from.
Let's just say for argument's sake you can get a '22 w/35k miles for under $30k, trade in value plus cash down
Whatever that payment left is offset by monthly fuel cost savings of at least $200 I would estimate and for many it will be a lot more.
I would use the EV as much as possible around town
Seems very inexpensive right now to get into one of these vehicles if you're not buying them brand new

One thing I noticed is this 205-80% don't go under or over these numbers for optimum use, maybe I have this wrong but that's what I read.
If that's true and the car has a max of 275-300 miles, you really only have about 150-175 to stay within those guidelines they set forth.

Nah. They say not to let it sit at 100% for an extended amount of time and it’s not good for the battery to run down to zero repeatedly but other than that just drive the car. The batteries aren’t some fragile piece of porcelain. They’ll lose a little range over time but they’ve done tests on some pretty old Teslas and Bolts and most haven’t lost more than 10% or so.

 

[the moops]

If that's true and the car has a max of 275-300 miles, you really only have about 150-175 to stay within those guidelines they set forth.

No. You can charge up to 100% it just shouldn't sit at 100% without driving for very long. So, OK to charge to 100% then drive it all the way down to 10 or 20 %. With our Bolt, in the warm weather, we will charge to 100% overnight, have roughly 300 miles in range, then drive that thing for 2 weeks or so without charging, until it gets down to 60 miles or so, then repeat

 

[culdeus]

Apartments are finally starting to just put free 110v outlets out along with paid L2. A huge % of people would be totally fine on 110 on the daily and the occasional L2 night or a DCFC visit.

 

[Chaos34]

I fell in love with a 2024 Cadillac Lyriq. I prefer luxury to sporty and this was the most comfortable ride I've ever experienced. I've owned three Caddies in my life. A 76, an 84 and a 90, so that's me. The owner is way upside down, priced above market, and it didn't have Super Cruise, so I thanked her for the test drive.

I'm going to Vegas in the morning for the hoops and fun with my bro, but also to buy one of these advertised there. I'm renting a car and not bringing it back. I've spent hours reading about it tonight. There's been tech issues. There's evidence most have been resolved but not all. I don't care. It felt like driving a Maybach or something. Not quiet, silent. Best sound system I've heard in a car. I'm 6-2 and was uncomfortable in the Equinox. It was warm here today and it gets burning hot come summer. The ventilated seat cooled down so fast, I need this feature.

Reddit guy owned it and a Model X. Concludes with:

I also like the falcon wing doors, makes it easier for the passengers to get on and off the car. In my opinion, if Cadillac can get its software right then Tesla will never be able to beat it.

I've almost bought an X and driven a couple, ridden in a couple more. They are nice and very fast, but not in the Lyriq's league for comfort, luxury, fit and finish. Best deal on a model X is mid 80s. New 2024 Lyriq's are available high 50s. I'm looking at a used one advertised for 45 with 15k miles on it. Still gets a 4k tax credit which more than covers super cruise for 3 years. That may be the one. There's another in the top trim that msrp'd for 79 selling for 52 also with 15k miles. Anyway, I put it in writing to hold myself to it.

 

[rockaction]

I'm looking at a used one advertised for 45 with 15k miles on it. Still gets a 4k tax credit which more than covers super cruise for 3 years. That may be the one. There's another in the top trim that msrp'd for 79 selling for 52 also with 15k miles. Anyway, I put it in writing to hold myself to it.

Love it, Chaos34, but it's a Cadillac, man. Those cars haven't been reliable since Lee Iacocca. It's not freaking '76 anymore, fella. Great year for punk rock music. Great year for Caddies. It's 2025 and fifty years later. Punk is domesticated and sort of quaint. It's an anachronism these days. Caddies are electric and self-driving. But the more things change the more they stay the same. Punk still hates your parents—it's just that your parents are weeping about it now instead of disowning you. And Caddies are still having a host of "issues" that are going to most definitely be fixed in this new iteration of vehicles they're bringing to market. This time they've fixed it!

Excitement! Oh, man. I'm shaking my head and laughing because if you need this to be your main car, then maybe contemplate what sort of "issues" the cars are having and where that might leave you, figuratively and literally. You're near the desert, right? Bad place for mechanical problems (great place for ventilated and cooling seats, but bad for engine or technical trouble) or unreliability. How far are the dealerships away from you? Ah, you don't need me to talk you down from the ledge. You want to enjoy the thrill and sport of the hunt and the cool comfort of the seating as you whisper down the road listening to nothing but your audiophile sound system while you cruise right on past the tumbleweed (yes, there is tumbleweed here in the inland desert, folks).

Go ahead, I say. Enjoy to your heart's content! Let car shopping be your fox hunt before hunting foxes was banned!

But don't come home with that thing. You know it's just gonna break down constantly.

 

[Ilov80s]

My neighbor recently got a Ford Lightning and man does that thing look sweet. A little big for me, I’m driving a Maverick right now but if they ever made an electric version I’d probably do it.

 

[Chaos34]

It's not freaking '76 anymore, fella

The 76 Sedan de Ville was a sweet luxurious ride. Set the cruise on 100 and float to Vegas at 12 mpg. The 84 was the misunderstood and so classy boat back Seville. The 90? Oh my, a chocolate and cream Brougham d'Elegance. If there was a road, you sure couldn't feel it. Such a pimp. They don't make 'em like they used to.

But don't come home with that thing. You know it's just gonna break down constantly.

In another thread Joe said something I've been thinking about: Do what makes you happy. Cadillacs make me happy. The Lyriq is true to the tradition, luxury before form and function. It's been 30 years since I've known the pleasure. Others always wondered why this young guy drove an old man's car. Until they rode in it. Then they got it. Now I'm an old guy and still they'll second guess it; but when they ride in it, they'll get it.

 

[massraider]

I've almost bought an X and driven a couple, ridden in a couple more. They are nice and very fast, but not in the Lyriq's league for comfort, luxury, fit and finish

The Lyriq is gorgeous.
Teslas aren't even in the same ballpark.

 

[Nugget]

I fell in love with a 2024 Cadillac Lyriq. I prefer luxury to sporty and this was the most comfortable ride I've ever experienced. I've owned three Caddies in my life. A 76, an 84 and a 90, so that's me. The owner is way upside down, priced above market, and it didn't have Super Cruise, so I thanked her for the test drive.

I'm going to Vegas in the morning for the hoops and fun with my bro, but also to buy one of these advertised there. I'm renting a car and not bringing it back. I've spent hours reading about it tonight. There's been tech issues. There's evidence most have been resolved but not all. I don't care. It felt like driving a Maybach or something. Not quiet, silent. Best sound system I've heard in a car. I'm 6-2 and was uncomfortable in the Equinox. It was warm here today and it gets burning hot come summer. The ventilated seat cooled down so fast, I need this feature.

Reddit guy owned it and a Model X. Concludes with:

I also like the falcon wing doors, makes it easier for the passengers to get on and off the car. In my opinion, if Cadillac can get its software right then Tesla will never be able to beat it.

I've almost bought an X and driven a couple, ridden in a couple more. They are nice and very fast, but not in the Lyriq's league for comfort, luxury, fit and finish. Best deal on a model X is mid 80s. New 2024 Lyriq's are available high 50s. I'm looking at a used one advertised for 45 with 15k miles on it. Still gets a 4k tax credit which more than covers super cruise for 3 years. That may be the one. There's another in the top trim that msrp'd for 79 selling for 52 also with 15k miles. Anyway, I put it in writing to hold myself to it.

Unsure on the 4K credit. When my girlfriend was shopping it was only for vehicles under $25k. Also needed to be 2 model years old.

 

[Nugget]

My neighbor recently got a Ford Lightning and man does that thing look sweet. A little big for me, I’m driving a Maverick right now but if they ever made an electric version I’d probably do it.

2 more years :fingers crossed:

 

[Joe Bryant]

It's not freaking '76 anymore, fella

The 76 Sedan de Ville was a sweet luxurious ride. Set the cruise on 100 and float to Vegas at 12 mpg. The 84 was the misunderstood and so classy boat back Seville. The 90? Oh my, a chocolate and cream Brougham d'Elegance. If there was a road, you sure couldn't feel it. Such a pimp. They don't make 'em like they used to.

But don't come home with that thing. You know it's just gonna break down constantly.

In another thread Joe said something I've been thinking about: Do what makes you happy. Cadillacs make me happy. The Lyriq is true to the tradition, luxury before form and function. It's been 30 years since I've known the pleasure. Others always wondered why this young guy drove an old man's car. Until they rode in it. Then they got it. Now I'm an old guy and still they'll second guess it; but when they ride in it, they'll get it.

Absolutley GB. Do what you like. Huge fan of Caddilac.

 

[BlackCrowes]

The Lyriq is definitely a head-turner. I wanted to test drive one, but i'm afraid i'll buy it. I'll probably research it a little more first.

 

[Sammy3469]

My neighbor recently got a Ford Lightning and man does that thing look sweet. A little big for me, I’m driving a Maverick right now but if they ever made an electric version I’d probably do it.

I rented the base XLT in Boston under the "managers special" and the only sort of bad thing was the front seat didn't feel wide enough in the shoulders. Besides that, it was a fantastic (if large) truck. Handled a snowstorm like a champ as well.

 

[FreeBaGeL]

I was surprised what a used EV6 can go for on Carvana, many to choose from..

I just took a look at them on Carvana and saw they were advertising a few as free overnight shipping. We're basically fully at Amazon prime for cars now. Crazy!

 

[FreeBaGeL]

The Lyriq is definitely a head-turner. I wanted to test drive one, but i'm afraid i'll buy it. I'll probably research it a little more first.

Haha same. I'm shopping for an EV6 or Ionic6 and I wanted to drive the Lyriq just for fun, but decided not to as it would ruin me for the cars I'm actually shopping for.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

I fell in love with a 2024 Cadillac Lyriq. I prefer luxury to sporty and this was the most comfortable ride I've ever experienced. I've owned three Caddies in my life. A 76, an 84 and a 90, so that's me. The owner is way upside down, priced above market, and it didn't have Super Cruise, so I thanked her for the test drive.

I'm going to Vegas in the morning for the hoops and fun with my bro, but also to buy one of these advertised there. I'm renting a car and not bringing it back. I've spent hours reading about it tonight. There's been tech issues. There's evidence most have been resolved but not all. I don't care. It felt like driving a Maybach or something. Not quiet, silent. Best sound system I've heard in a car. I'm 6-2 and was uncomfortable in the Equinox. It was warm here today and it gets burning hot come summer. The ventilated seat cooled down so fast, I need this feature.

Reddit guy owned it and a Model X. Concludes with:

I also like the falcon wing doors, makes it easier for the passengers to get on and off the car. In my opinion, if Cadillac can get its software right then Tesla will never be able to beat it.

I've almost bought an X and driven a couple, ridden in a couple more. They are nice and very fast, but not in the Lyriq's league for comfort, luxury, fit and finish. Best deal on a model X is mid 80s. New 2024 Lyriq's are available high 50s. I'm looking at a used one advertised for 45 with 15k miles on it. Still gets a 4k tax credit which more than covers super cruise for 3 years. That may be the one. There's another in the top trim that msrp'd for 79 selling for 52 also with 15k miles. Anyway, I put it in writing to hold myself to it.

That is... a color.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

@Chaos34 Do they push out software updates like Tesla? So, when he says "if Cadillac can get its software right," you're hoping that's something you'll realize the benefit of while owning the one you're buying.

 

[Psychopav]

I'm looking at a used one advertised for 45 with 15k miles on it. Still gets a 4k tax credit which more than covers super cruise for 3 years. That may be the one. There's another in the top trim that msrp'd for 79 selling for 52 also with 15k miles. Anyway, I put it in writing to hold myself to it.

Love it, Chaos34, but it's a Cadillac, man. Those cars haven't been reliable since Lee Iacocca. It's not freaking '76 anymore, fella. Great year for punk rock music. Great year for Caddies. It's 2025 and fifty years later. Punk is domesticated and sort of quaint. It's an anachronism these days. Caddies are electric and self-driving. But the more things change the more they stay the same. Punk still hates your parents—it's just that your parents are weeping about it now instead of disowning you. And Caddies are still having a host of "issues" that are going to most definitely be fixed in this new iteration of vehicles they're bringing to market. This time they've fixed it!

Excitement! Oh, man. I'm shaking my head and laughing because if you need this to be your main car, then maybe contemplate what sort of "issues" the cars are having and where that might leave you, figuratively and literally. You're near the desert, right? Bad place for mechanical problems (great place for ventilated and cooling seats, but bad for engine or technical trouble) or unreliability. How far are the dealerships away from you? Ah, you don't need me to talk you down from the ledge. You want to enjoy the thrill and sport of the hunt and the cool comfort of the seating as you whisper down the road listening to nothing but your audiophile sound system while you cruise right on past the tumbleweed (yes, there is tumbleweed here in the inland desert, folks).

Go ahead, I say. Enjoy to your heart's content! Let car shopping be your fox hunt before hunting foxes was banned!

But don't come home with that thing. You know it's just gonna break down constantly.

I've been thinking about this topic. Does EV change the game here? Way fewer parts to break and break the car than an ice car. Are the old reliables still significantly more reliable when considering their EV lines? Are old unreliable brands still unreliable in the EV world?

 

[massraider]

I've been thinking about this topic. Does EV change the game here? Way fewer parts to break and break the car than an ice car. Are the old reliables still significantly more reliable when considering their EV lines? Are old unreliable brands still unreliable in the EV world?

I never really thought of Caddy as a brand that breaks down a lot, the way I think of other brands. Might be true, I've no idea. I know brands that are considered terrible, like Range Rovers, Jaguar, Jeep, and the reliable Japanese brands, but I don't have many opinions beyond those.

I love the Lyriq, but I would be more apprehensive getting first generation of any new car. Some people are early adopters, they are cool with dealing with any potential downsides of new products, that's personal preference. With EVs, it feels like software glitches are an issue. Maybe that's overblown, I dunno how often it really happens.

The price of the Lyriq is really eye catching, there's used ones with almost no miles for 47 grand.

But doing a search for reliability, the 2024 Lyriq looks pretty bad.

 

[Tick]

I'm looking at a used one advertised for 45 with 15k miles on it. Still gets a 4k tax credit which more than covers super cruise for 3 years. That may be the one. There's another in the top trim that msrp'd for 79 selling for 52 also with 15k miles. Anyway, I put it in writing to hold myself to it.

Love it, Chaos34, but it's a Cadillac, man. Those cars haven't been reliable since Lee Iacocca. It's not freaking '76 anymore, fella. Great year for punk rock music. Great year for Caddies. It's 2025 and fifty years later. Punk is domesticated and sort of quaint. It's an anachronism these days. Caddies are electric and self-driving. But the more things change the more they stay the same. Punk still hates your parents—it's just that your parents are weeping about it now instead of disowning you. And Caddies are still having a host of "issues" that are going to most definitely be fixed in this new iteration of vehicles they're bringing to market. This time they've fixed it!

Excitement! Oh, man. I'm shaking my head and laughing because if you need this to be your main car, then maybe contemplate what sort of "issues" the cars are having and where that might leave you, figuratively and literally. You're near the desert, right? Bad place for mechanical problems (great place for ventilated and cooling seats, but bad for engine or technical trouble) or unreliability. How far are the dealerships away from you? Ah, you don't need me to talk you down from the ledge. You want to enjoy the thrill and sport of the hunt and the cool comfort of the seating as you whisper down the road listening to nothing but your audiophile sound system while you cruise right on past the tumbleweed (yes, there is tumbleweed here in the inland desert, folks).

Go ahead, I say. Enjoy to your heart's content! Let car shopping be your fox hunt before hunting foxes was banned!

But don't come home with that thing. You know it's just gonna break down constantly.

I've been thinking about this topic. Does EV change the game here? Way fewer parts to break and break the car than an ice car. Are the old reliables still significantly more reliable when considering their EV lines? Are old unreliable brands still unreliable in the EV world?

We're not far enough into it to be sure, but yes, it seems to change the game. Online calculators are factoring in lower maintenance costs for EVs. Not for hybrids, though - they have both sets of gear to break down.

 

[RCon]

When trying to calculate long-term maintenance costs, seems like one should also consider other long-term costs. At the very least, EVs are going to run through tires a lot quicker than ICE cars due to the weight.

 

[the moops]

When trying to calculate long-term maintenance costs, seems like one should also consider other long-term costs. At the very least, EVs are going to run through tires a lot quicker than ICE cars due to the weight.

It's been posted here somewhere along the way, but yes, that is one factor and it is calculated in the costs. EV's still come out way ahead though

 

[the moops]

With EVs, it feels like software glitches are an issue. Maybe that's overblown, I dunno how often it really happens.

I think this is way overblown. I have no data to back it up, but 1) i rarely hear about from the multitude of people I know with EVs, and 2) ICE vehicles have software in the engine to control timing and stuff, so while different than EV's I am not sure how different

 

[Instinctive]

With EVs, it feels like software glitches are an issue. Maybe that's overblown, I dunno how often it really happens.

I think this is way overblown. I have no data to back it up, but 1) i rarely hear about from the multitude of people I know with EVs, and 2) ICE vehicles have software in the engine to control timing and stuff, so while different than EV's I am not sure how different

On the forefront of software glitches as a Lucid owner and I bought the...3rd year of the car I think? I've heard lots of bad stuff from the first couple years of major annoyances and bugs but I will say...I had one or two crop up the first couple months I owned it in end of 2023 early 2024 where is just need to reset it after I got in, kinda like just restarting your computer if you never turn it off.

For the last 12 months I've had zero issues. So I think the newer ones definitely need to work some stuff out but once they do it doesn't seem that hard.

 

[culdeus]

When trying to calculate long-term maintenance costs, seems like one should also consider other long-term costs. At the very least, EVs are going to run through tires a lot quicker than ICE cars due to the weight.

Most of that was in the period before chill mode came out. Now there are better compounds for the EV tires especially summer tires. Cost per mile is more comparable now.

 

[RCon]

When trying to calculate long-term maintenance costs, seems like one should also consider other long-term costs. At the very least, EVs are going to run through tires a lot quicker than ICE cars due to the weight.

It's been posted here somewhere along the way, but yes, that is one factor and it is calculated in the costs. EV's still come out way ahead though

That's pretty much my thought too. Would love to get an EV, but probably a year away.

 

[thecatch]

When trying to calculate long-term maintenance costs, seems like one should also consider other long-term costs. At the very least, EVs are going to run through tires a lot quicker than ICE cars due to the weight.

Most of that was in the period before chill mode came out. Now there are better compounds for the EV tires especially summer tires. Cost per mile is more comparable now.

Not really. Expected lifespan is still about half or less versus cars on ICE vehicles.

 

[fruity pebbles]

When trying to calculate long-term maintenance costs, seems like one should also consider other long-term costs. At the very least, EVs are going to run through tires a lot quicker than ICE cars due to the weight.

Most of that was in the period before chill mode came out. Now there are better compounds for the EV tires especially summer tires. Cost per mile is more comparable now.

Not really. Expected lifespan is still about half or less versus cars on ICE vehicles.

Then again the brakes damn near last forever

 

[culdeus]

When trying to calculate long-term maintenance costs, seems like one should also consider other long-term costs. At the very least, EVs are going to run through tires a lot quicker than ICE cars due to the weight.

Most of that was in the period before chill mode came out. Now there are better compounds for the EV tires especially summer tires. Cost per mile is more comparable now.

Not really. Expected lifespan is still about half or less versus cars on ICE vehicles.

Source for this? Even a very light google is going to find the worst case articles saying 20-30%.

 

[the moops]

Not really. Expected lifespan is still about half or less versus cars on ICE vehicles.

The generally accepted rate is 20% faster, not half or less

 

[thecatch]

Not really. Expected lifespan is still about half or less versus cars on ICE vehicles.

The generally accepted rate is 20% faster, not half or less

I’ve been told to expect 18k or so out of my ev tires and my ice tires usually go for 45-50k. We’ll see.

 

[the moops]

Not really. Expected lifespan is still about half or less versus cars on ICE vehicles.

The generally accepted rate is 20% faster, not half or less

I’ve been told to expect 18k or so out of my ev tires and my ice tires usually go for 45-50k. We’ll see.

Told by who? Everything I read, and from anecdotes in here, there is a very small chance that an EV tire will wear out anywhere near that much more quickly to a comparable ICE vehicle

 

[thecatch]

Not really. Expected lifespan is still about half or less versus cars on ICE vehicles.

The generally accepted rate is 20% faster, not half or less

I’ve been told to expect 18k or so out of my ev tires and my ice tires usually go for 45-50k. We’ll see.

Told by who? Everything I read, and from anecdotes in here, there is a very small chance that an EV tire will wear out anywhere near that much more quickly to a comparable ICE vehicle

Other owners. If there is a population of Tesla owners getting 40k out of their tires I haven’t read about them.

 

[fruity pebbles]

The energy saver tires seem to last a long time. Less rolling resistance and harder compound. I replaced mine though cause they were complete trash in the snow. The all weathers I put on dropped my range by 5-6%.

 

[BassNBrew]

When trying to calculate long-term maintenance costs, seems like one should also consider other long-term costs. At the very least, EVs are going to run through tires a lot quicker than ICE cars due to the weight.

Most of that was in the period before chill mode came out. Now there are better compounds for the EV tires especially summer tires. Cost per mile is more comparable now.

Not really. Expected lifespan is still about half or less versus cars on ICE vehicles.

Source for this? Even a very light google is going to find the worst case articles saying 20-30%.

Not really. Expected lifespan is still about half or less versus cars on ICE vehicles.

The generally accepted rate is 20% faster, not half or less

I’ve been told to expect 18k or so out of my ev tires and my ice tires usually go for 45-50k. We’ll see.

Told by who? Everything I read, and from anecdotes in here, there is a very small chance that an EV tire will wear out anywhere near that much more quickly to a comparable ICE vehicle

Told by me. 28K on my factory Perelli's and I had to replace them.

 

[Ron Swanson]

35k on stock Mach E summer tires here.

 

[the moops]

Told by me. 28K on my factory Perelli's and I had to replace them.

Ok thanks. I will note that 28K is not 18K. And while 28K may be lower than expected, I have never had a tire on any of my ICE vehicles last as long as they are advertised.

 

[Nugget]

35k on stock Mach E summer tires here.

I had 30K on my 23 MachE when I turned in the lease and the tires were fine. I have Pirellis coming on my 2025.

 

[tommyGunZ]

EV owner since 2017 here, and my family was strictly Toyota/Honda previous to my EV purchase. The convention wisdom in this thread matches my experience almost to a T; virtually zero maintenance and the only issue at all has been tires wearing faster, which is mostly my own fault because instant torque off the line is more addictive than cocaine.

If you are a normal American who commutes 20-30 miles total per day, range anxiety will not exist 2 weeks after you purchase your EV and your “tank” is topped off nightly for cents in the dollar.

My wife drives a 2016 Honda Pilot (great vehicle) and I can’t wait for her to upgrade to an EV so we can ignore gas stations forever. I’d love for her to upgrade to the Rivian R2 next year but she really likes the 3rd row. I’d like to upgrade but my i3 is so practical, paid for, and fun that I can’t make it make sense.

 

[Tick]

It looks like Kia can use Tesla Superchargers as of yesterday. The conversion piece from Kia is $250.

Are Superchargers consistent about having a converter at the charger? Can I tell which have them somehow from a Tesla app or something? Does ABRP know which have converters?

Do I need a subscription to use Tesla?

 

[Psychopav]

It looks like Kia can use Tesla Superchargers as of yesterday. The conversion piece from Kia is $250.

Are Superchargers consistent about having a converter at the charger? Can I tell which have them somehow from a Tesla app or something? Does ABRP know which have converters?

Do I need a subscription to use Tesla?

Kia gave the adapters free to folks with pre-2025 models. Only magicdocks I think have the built in converter. The one Kia offered and now sells is needed for the other Tesla charging stations. I think you need a Tesla app but not necessarily a subscription (it's probably cheaper if you have one though). Kia also added functionality to connect to the Tesla chargers to the Kia Connect app but I hear it's more expensive.

 

[Tick]

It looks like Kia can use Tesla Superchargers as of yesterday. The conversion piece from Kia is $250.

Are Superchargers consistent about having a converter at the charger? Can I tell which have them somehow from a Tesla app or something? Does ABRP know which have converters?

Do I need a subscription to use Tesla?

Kia gave the adapters free to folks with pre-2025 models. Only magicdocks I think have the built in converter. The one Kia offered and now sells is needed for the other Tesla charging stations. I think you need a Tesla app but not necessarily a subscription (it's probably cheaper if you have one though). Kia also added functionality to connect to the Tesla chargers to the Kia Connect app but I hear it's more expensive.

I think the free adapters were only to people who received their cars after September 2024. I know they didn't give me one (2022 Niro).

So is magicdock something that both superchargers and normal chargers might have? Like are there 4 Tesla charger types: normal, magic normal, super, and magic super?

 

[Psychopav]

It looks like Kia can use Tesla Superchargers as of yesterday. The conversion piece from Kia is $250.

Are Superchargers consistent about having a converter at the charger? Can I tell which have them somehow from a Tesla app or something? Does ABRP know which have converters?

Do I need a subscription to use Tesla?

Kia gave the adapters free to folks with pre-2025 models. Only magicdocks I think have the built in converter. The one Kia offered and now sells is needed for the other Tesla charging stations. I think you need a Tesla app but not necessarily a subscription (it's probably cheaper if you have one though). Kia also added functionality to connect to the Tesla chargers to the Kia Connect app but I hear it's more expensive.

I think the free adapters were only to people who received their cars after September 2024. I know they didn't give me one (2022 Niro).

So is magicdock something that both superchargers and normal chargers might have? Like are there 4 Tesla charger types: normal, magic normal, super, and magic super?

You should have been eligible for one but you had to order it when they notified you.

I think.

 

[BassNBrew]

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R2 headed out for validation phase. The wraps look kind of cool.

 

[fruity pebbles]

Ioniq 5 N ………….yeah, I want one of those