Explosions in Manchester? (1 Viewer)

[msommer]

I would rather take the chance of one innocent person being temporarily inconvenienced , than 22 innocent people losing their lives.

That's a very strong statement - I suppose you should get started on the work to completely rewrite the constitution of your country.

I won't wish you luck.

 

[Limp Ditka]

I would rather take the chance of one innocent person being temporarily inconvenienced ,

This mentality worked out great during McCarthyism.

 

[Zow]

White and Christian fundamentalist.  

Calm down

 

[kface]

This type of thing is going to get much worse before it gets better. Identifying troubled kids and radicalizing them to become lone wolf jihadis is easy work and has a very high ROI in fear quotent. Anyone who thinks significant increases in this sort of stuff isn't coming to US soil soon is kidding themselves... particularly as the middle class is pressured downward and opportunities for marginalized young men get further out of reach. 




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You hit the nail on the head with that one

 

[beer 30]

Richard Barrett, former director of global counterterrorism operations at MI6, Britain’s foreign intelligence agency, said that the security and police forces were stretched, having to monitor more than 400 people returning from jihad in the Middle East, and 600 or so others who had tried to go but had been stopped. “So that’s already 1,000 people,” without taking into account other sympathizers in Britain, he said.

They're doing it wrong. Why are you 'monitoring' these people and not segregating them from the population?

 

[msommer]

Update:
Crowdfunding efforts rounded £500k three hours ago - in less than 12 hours

The suspect was 22, born in Manchester from parents that originally were Libyan refugees (from the Gaddafi regime). He has been named but not formally identified.

 

[El Floppo]

thanks for the updates, msommer

 

[Sand]

This type of thing is going to get much worse before it gets better. Identifying troubled kids and radicalizing them to become lone wolf jihadis is easy work and has a very high ROI in fear quotent. Anyone who thinks significant increases in this sort of stuff isn't coming to US soil soon is kidding themselves... particularly as the middle class is pressured downward and opportunities for marginalized young men get further out of reach. 

It's even worse than that for these immigrant populations as a large proportion are male.  The mating opportunities for these guys is severely restricted by supply (as they are generally limited to their ethnicity being new immigrants).  

 

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It's even worse than that for these immigrant populations as a large proportion are male.  The mating opportunities for these guys is severely restricted by supply (as they are generally limited to their ethnicity being new immigrants).  

I think it says something about these people that those fleeing these war torn countries are largely male. 

 

[Billy Bats]

 



 

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BREAKING: UK raises terror threat level from severe to critical, which means an attack is expected "imminently"

U.K. Prime Minister 

Theresa May said Tuesday that the terror alert level in the country has been raised from severe to critical, the highest level.


A critical threat level means that an attack is expected immediately, according to the MI5 website. 

May's announcement comes in the aftermath of Monday night's fatal suicide attack at an Ariana Grande concert in Manchester.

https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2017/05/23/uk-prime-minister-may-says-threat-level-should-be-increased-to-critical.html

 

[El Floppo]

 



 

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BREAKING: UK raises terror threat level from severe to critical, which means an attack is expected "imminently"

my friend/co-worker who sits next to me just got that info- he's flying to London tomorrow morning.

 

[Swing 51]

 



 

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BREAKING: UK raises terror threat level from severe to critical, which means an attack is expected "imminently"

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[Smack Tripper]

my friend/co-worker who sits next to me just got that info- he's flying to London tomorrow morning.

That would be enough for me to cancel

 

[Sand]

I think it says something about these people that those fleeing these war torn countries are largely male. 

Read a paper a while back that talked about mating inaccessibility for many of these immigrants being a significant source of frustration and disillusionment.  I can certainly see it - makes a lot of sense.

Not surprising that it's mostly guys - women/girls are largely controlled while the men have much more freedom to leave/move.  

 

[msommer]

It's even worse than that for these immigrant populations as a large proportion are male.  The mating opportunities for these guys is severely restricted by supply (as they are generally limited to their ethnicity being new immigrants).  

I think it says something about these people that those fleeing these war torn countries are largely male. 

What statistics are you basing yourselves on?

 

[Sand]

That would be enough for me to cancel

Just like the first day after they started flights back up after 9/11, these next number of days in London are likely to be hugely patrolled and as safe as can be made possible.

 

[Sand]

What statistics are you basing yourselves on?

From Time:  "In Europe, over 800,000 migrants have traveled to Europe by sea in 2015, according to the United Nations refugee agency, and a little over half have come from Syria. About 62% of all migrants that have traveled to Europe this year, however, are men. A little under a quarter, 22%, are children and only 16% are women."

Politico:  Europe’s Man Problem.  Migrants to Europe skew heavily male—and that’s dangerous.

This has been widely reported.  Big disparities.

 

[Smack Tripper]

Just like the first day after they started flights back up after 9/11, these next number of days in London are likely to be hugely patrolled and as safe as can be made possible.

The seeming volume of radicalized folks in the EU and UK would give

me pause even with lockdown security. I'd also like to get home without a hassle

 

[Sand]

The seeming volume of radicalized folks in the EU and UK would give

me pause even with lockdown security. I'd also like to get home without a hassle

England, France, Belgium - I hear you (for the UK, Scotland, Ireland don't seem to have near the issues).  As far as hassles getting home, I have gotten the terrorist pat down twice in the last couple months on domestic flights.  That ship has sailed for any flight.

 

[msommer]

From Time:  "In Europe, over 800,000 migrants have traveled to Europe by sea in 2015, according to the United Nations refugee agency, and a little over half have come from Syria. About 62% of all migrants that have traveled to Europe this year, however, are men. A little under a quarter, 22%, are children and only 16% are women."

Politico:  Europe’s Man Problem.  Migrants to Europe skew heavily male—and that’s dangerous.

This has been widely reported.  Big disparities.

Do you have information about the Syrians in Turkey, Jordan, Lebanon where the bulk of the refugees are?

Of course you do, from the Time article you quote (in fact from the paragraph before the one you quoted about the refugees who continue to Europe)

Of the 2.1 million registered in Egypt, Iraq, Jordan and Lebanon there's a pretty even split in gender: about 50.5% are women and 49.7% are men.

How'd ya like them apples?

(Oh and the article is 18 months old)

 

[shader]

My first thought with them raising the threat level to critical is that they want extra vigilance and security.

But the news articles are stating that it means an attack is imminent and that they haven't  done this since 2007.

 

[Henry Ford]

No, they aren't.  Terry and its progeny do a pretty good job of protecting law enforcement.  I routinely see pretextual stops made on a regular basis.  Cops are trained how to look for other factors to justify biased suspicions.  

Law enforcement certainly has changed since, say, 1968 New Orleans where the police had varying techniques for beating up distinct minority groups, but they aren't "crippled."  Not by any stretch. 

And PC culture is not to blame.  To quote Alfred from one of the Batman movies, "some people just like to watch the world burn."  And, really, no system can be put in place to stop pure evil. 

And, weirdly, the current pseudo-conservative right wing's hero Scalia probably did more to protect the Fourth Amendment than the rest of the justices combined over his career.  

 

[Henry Ford]

My first thought with them raising the threat level to critical is that they want extra vigilance and security.

But the news articles are stating that it means an attack is imminent and that they haven't  done this since 2007.

Yeah, it's not like our ridiculous system.  Britain raises the threat level with a meaning.  This is not good news.

 

[Sand]

Do you have information about the Syrians in Turkey, Jordan, Lebanon where the bulk of the refugees are?

We're talking EU here.  Last I checked neither of these three were members..

 

[Zow]

And, weirdly, the current pseudo-conservative right wing's hero Scalia probably did more to protect the Fourth Amendment than the rest of the justices combined over his career.  

Absolutely.  I always gave Scalia credit for, at least on 4th amendment issues, being consistent with his claimed "literal interpretation" of the constitution and how it doesn't permit for exceptions to the warrant requirement. 

 

[Cowboysfan8]

My first thought with them raising the threat level to critical is that they want extra vigilance and security.

But the news articles are stating that it means an attack is imminent and that they haven't  done this since 2007.

Was there an attack after they elevated it in '07?

 

[BustedKnuckles]

Low life losers

 

[Ditka Butkus]

The ACLU types are the reason we will never get a handle on terrorism....They would rather protect the terrorist rights instead of the innocent people that the terrorist continue to kill. There are 3,500 suspected terrorist running around the UK instead of in the pen being interrogated and when need be eliminated.

 

[Ditka Butkus]

Low life losers

Piece of dog s**t low life losers

 

[sporthenry]

The ACLU types are the reason we will never get a handle on terrorism....They would rather protect the terrorist rights instead of the innocent people that the terrorist continue to kill. There are 3,500 suspected terrorist running around the UK instead of in the pen being interrogated and when need be eliminated.

In your world, what's distinguishes a terrorist from a non-terrorist?  What if they locked you up indefinitely because they thought you might be a terrorist?  Who goes to the 'pen'?

 

[Ditka Butkus]

In your world, what's distinguishes a terrorist from a non-terrorist?  What if they locked you up indefinitely because they thought you might be a terrorist?  Who goes to the 'pen'?

If they have intel that I belong to a terrorist group or pal around with members of terrorist groups ..I should be locked up.

 

[sporthenry]

If they have intel that I belong to a terrorist group or pal around with members of terrorist groups ..I should be locked up.

So you want to take a dump on the Constitution?  Got it. I'm sure you consider yourself a defender of the Constitution as well. I'll save you the quote about liberty and security but you must recognize the slippery slope you bring up. 

 

[BustedKnuckles]

So you want to take a dump on the Constitution?  Got it. I'm sure you consider yourself a defender of the Constitution as well. I'll save you the quote about liberty and security but you must recognize the slippery slope you bring up. 

kinda suks that we have to play by the rules and terrorists dont

 

[timschochet]

kinda suks that we have to play by the rules and terrorists dont

It doesn't though. The rules are important.

 

[Mario Kart]

kinda suks that we have to play by the rules and terrorists dont

Sure does, but that is why American ideals are much better than extremists. We are, in general, a law abiding people which is what the Founders sought versus a dictatorial type government. Seems pretty easy to comprehend and live by versus the other, no?

 

[BustedKnuckles]

It doesn't though. The rules are important.

why? the only ones who benefit are the terrorists ...they laugh at us knowing we think the rules are more important than survival 

 

[timschochet]

The ACLU types are the reason we will never get a handle on terrorism....They would rather protect the terrorist rights instead of the innocent people that the terrorist continue to kill. There are 3,500 suspected terrorist running around the UK instead of in the pen being interrogated and when need be eliminated.

This is an emotional response and, frankly, I don't blame you for it. I felt the same way last night, and I'm a guy who has been donating to the ACLU for years! Even now, I wonder if our civil liberties can survive the idea of profiling young Middle Eastern men and women. Maybe we have to do that, I don't know.

But Ditka, we really are better than these people, we are morally superior to them, and we can't give that up. I think that deep down you know that's true as well. We do have to play by the rules, because we wrote them and they're good rules.

 

[timschochet]

why? the only ones who benefit are the terrorists ...they laugh at us knowing we think the rules are more important than survival 

We benefit from the rules. They keep us civilized.

 

[sporthenry]

why? the only ones who benefit are the terrorists ...they laugh at us knowing we think the rules are more important than survival 

False. It may seem that way in the aftermath but a free society benefits all. And real talk, based off your posts here, you could make the case you're a right wing extremist. Based on the rules some of you propose, you'd be locked up just as easily under certain administrations. 

 

[BustedKnuckles]

False. It may seem that way in the aftermath but a free society benefits all. And real talk, based off your posts here, you could make the case you're a right wing extremist. Based on the rules some of you propose, you'd be locked up just as easily under certain administrations. 

so im a right wing extremist because i dont think we should sit on our hands as men blow up children at concerts? you people with your labels crack me up

 

[tri-man 47]

Read a paper a while back that talked about mating inaccessibility for many of these immigrants being a significant source of frustration and disillusionment.  I can certainly see it - makes a lot of sense.

We should just invite them all to the FFA.  They could enjoy (ahem) the "who's hottest?" polls, find the appeal of the #nomarriage argument, and even start their own "Muslim women you find oddly attractive" thread.  

 

[Christo]

so im a right wing extremist because i dont think we should sit on our hands as men blow up children at concerts? you people with your labels crack me up

 Love the false dichotomy.

 

[Charlie Steiner]

We should just invite them all to the FFA.  They could enjoy (ahem) the "who's hottest?" polls, find the appeal of the #nomarriage argument, and even start their own "Muslim women you find oddly attractive" thread.  

So simple it's brilliant. 

 

[BustedKnuckles]

 Love the false dichotomy.

and away we go

 

[squistion]

The ACLU types are the reason we will never get a handle on terrorism....They would rather protect the terrorist rights instead of the innocent people that the terrorist continue to kill. There are 3,500 suspected terrorist running around the UK instead of in the pen being interrogated and when need be eliminated.

ACLU stands for American Civil Liberties Union.
 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Civil_Liberties_Union

The American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) is a nonpartisan, non-profit organization [6][7] whose stated mission is "to defend and preserve the individual rights and liberties guaranteed to every person in this country by the Constitution and laws of the United States."[8]

They bear absolutely no responsibility for what happened in Manchester yesterday nor in the UK, nor in France, nor in Europe nor anywhere else outside of our borders.

 

[Billy Bats]

Reporter just said 12 of the 22 killed were under the age of 16, the youngest being 8 years old. 

 

[Ditkaless Wonders]

It doesn't though. The rules are important.

Excepting immigration laws and employing illegal aliens.

Actually I should not bust your chops since I have been trying to get you to recognize the importance of the rule of law and the constitutional process for years now.

 

[Henry Ford]

The ACLU types are the reason we will never get a handle on terrorism....They would rather protect the terrorist rights instead of the innocent people that the terrorist continue to kill. There are 3,500 suspected terrorist running around the UK instead of in the pen being interrogated and when need be eliminated.

I don't think the American Civil Liberties Union has much pull in the U.K.

 

[Ditkaless Wonders]

I don't think the American Civil Liberties Union has much pull in the U.K.

GBCLU?

 

[Henry Ford]

GBCLU?

I believe the NCCL is the advocacy group across the pond.