Pretend I can’t follow all these different tiers. What is the option I need to buy for an auction league over Labor Day weekend?
Tell those staff members they are wrong. FBG was built by a lot of the old timers you are standing up for. My dad always said "Don't forget your roots". Thanks for looking out for us.Thanks @rustycolts
One of the interesting things about having a business that's run for for as long as we have is how to handle new things.
We've been doing this 20+ years now. A LOT has changed. Including lots of our customers. Including me.
One of things I think you and other long time customers appreciate is I've fought hard to keep our "Classic" tools alive. I personally use our new Draft Dominator drafting tool and app.
But I also know tons of people love the Draft Dominator Classic. And the VBD Excel App. And The Projections Dominator. So I make $40,000+ investment in those tools every single year to keep them going for the folks that love them.
I know that's not how much of the tech world operates. They make a move and go with the new better thing. We have a significant number of our staff who think I'm not spending the money wisely to keep up the old tools. Things can change of course, but for many years, I've thought it best to keep the old stuff going.
Tell those staff members they are wrong. FBG was built by a lot of the old timers you are standing up for. My dad always said "Don't forget your roots". Thanks for looking out for us.
I’m amazed at the push back about the new price. I’ve always thought the price was incredibly low, given the content we get. Always wondered how Joe paid his staff enough to do what they do, let alone make enough for himself. I’d pay a lot more than what’s being asked currently. I’m in the minority there though, but to be honest, the price increase is what, the cost of a pizza? Oh, and that’s not even taking in to account the free message boards, and contests. I have no idea what anyone else offers, and won’t ever look. This is my home base for 20 years, and the price is well worth it.
Hard to compare the value you're getting here when you don't even know what anyone else is offering.
The price increase is a shock for me and I may not subscribe for the first time since I discovered the Footballguys site many years ago. I've never used the app or the Draft Dominator and subscribed to FBG solely for the August to January time period. However, my leagues are IDP and Dynasty, so that content was important. So the lowest tier subscription isn't enough, but the ELITE subscription has a lot of elements I'll never use. So it's nearly double the price for me to have an account when I won't use it for half the year. I don't have an issue with FBG offering annual subscriptions for those who use them, but removing the ability to have the account for just half the year is a big problem for me. It also doesn't make sense for me to pay $15 a month for ELITE since that will basically be more than doing it annual. Please reconsider this approach or you'll lose another longtime subscriber and devoted fan.
The price increase is a shock for me and I may not subscribe for the first time since I discovered the Footballguys site many years ago. I've never used the app or the Draft Dominator and subscribed to FBG solely for the August to January time period. However, my leagues are IDP and Dynasty, so that content was important. So the lowest tier subscription isn't enough, but the ELITE subscription has a lot of elements I'll never use. So it's nearly double the price for me to have an account when I won't use it for half the year. I don't have an issue with FBG offering annual subscriptions for those who use them, but removing the ability to have the account for just half the year is a big problem for me. It also doesn't make sense for me to pay $15 a month for ELITE since that will basically be more than doing it annual. Please reconsider this approach or you'll lose another longtime subscriber and devoted fan.
I feel the exact same way which is tough as I have been a customer for many years. To be honest I feel the content has been going downhill the last few years and doubling the price is the final straw for me.
Thanks Joe. I did decide to purchase a subscription because the content is still top-notch (I don't agree with that comment). I'm still feeling a bit of sticker shock, but I'm going to stick with it and really try to use all the tools this year even more given the higher cost.The price increase is a shock for me and I may not subscribe for the first time since I discovered the Footballguys site many years ago. I've never used the app or the Draft Dominator and subscribed to FBG solely for the August to January time period. However, my leagues are IDP and Dynasty, so that content was important. So the lowest tier subscription isn't enough, but the ELITE subscription has a lot of elements I'll never use. So it's nearly double the price for me to have an account when I won't use it for half the year. I don't have an issue with FBG offering annual subscriptions for those who use them, but removing the ability to have the account for just half the year is a big problem for me. It also doesn't make sense for me to pay $15 a month for ELITE since that will basically be more than doing it annual. Please reconsider this approach or you'll lose another longtime subscriber and devoted fan.
I feel the exact same way which is tough as I have been a customer for many years. To be honest I feel the content has been going downhill the last few years and doubling the price is the final straw for me.
As always, thanks for the feedback. I disagree completely on the content quality as we feel certain it's been the best it's ever been. Especially this year. And especially if you play in IDP, Salary Cap, Dynasty or Best Ball leagues.
But for every business, the customer gets to decide. That's just how it works. I hope you'll stay with us but fully understand if not. And if you don't, our plan is to keep the forums free so you're welcome receive information and value from the Shark Pool Forum which is a great resource. (Even if it's only possible because people do buy the Premium Subscriptions). Regardless of what you decide, thanks for your business in the past and I hope you have an awesome year.
Thanks Joe. I did decide to purchase a subscription because the content is still top-notch (I don't agree with that comment). I'm still feeling a bit of sticker shock, but I'm going to stick with it and really try to use all the tools this year even more given the higher cost.
If I purchase the draft dominator upgrade using my wife's phone can I use it on my phone? Is it tied to the device it's purchased on or the account? She has credit to her play store account so I figured I would do the upgrade on her phone
I appreciate you taking the time to respond. It boils down to paying for features that I don’t use vs having he ability to add them a La carte like past years. I understand that you are running a business and need to figure out the right model to cover your cost and still be attractive to your subscribers. I will stay on this board and see what happens with the packages next year.The price increase is a shock for me and I may not subscribe for the first time since I discovered the Footballguys site many years ago. I've never used the app or the Draft Dominator and subscribed to FBG solely for the August to January time period. However, my leagues are IDP and Dynasty, so that content was important. So the lowest tier subscription isn't enough, but the ELITE subscription has a lot of elements I'll never use. So it's nearly double the price for me to have an account when I won't use it for half the year. I don't have an issue with FBG offering annual subscriptions for those who use them, but removing the ability to have the account for just half the year is a big problem for me. It also doesn't make sense for me to pay $15 a month for ELITE since that will basically be more than doing it annual. Please reconsider this approach or you'll lose another longtime subscriber and devoted fan.
I feel the exact same way which is tough as I have been a customer for many years. To be honest I feel the content has been going downhill the last few years and doubling the price is the final straw for me.
As always, thanks for the feedback. I disagree completely on the content quality as we feel certain it's been the best it's ever been. Especially this year. And especially if you play in IDP, Salary Cap, Dynasty or Best Ball leagues.
But for every business, the customer gets to decide. That's just how it works. I hope you'll stay with us but fully understand if not. And if you don't, our plan is to keep the forums free so you're welcome receive information and value from the Shark Pool Forum which is a great resource. (Even if it's only possible because people do buy the Premium Subscriptions). Regardless of what you decide, thanks for your business in the past and I hope you have an awesome year.
You're saying folks can pay $3.99 right now for this month or to get them thru early Sept, maybe they keep it another month or two and then you can turn it off and you mostly have access to everything in the base subscription? $3.99 a month, seriously?i'm not on one side or the other on this, it's an unfortunate reality. but want to clarify something here at a practical level and I think i read this right. The 47.88 is the annual price, the monthly is 3.99. one of the changes noted by Joe on this page is that the annual sub is truly full year now. until last year in-season subscriber contents started roughly mid July and ended ahead of the Superbowl. That's 8 months. Simple math says 8 x 3.99 is roughly $32, less than the annual sub last year. Not accounting for some of the shifts to the elite tier like auction, which frankly is not good content anyway, that looks like a discount on basic content plus the apps. i'm not crazy about tiering subs and some of the changes, but at the least for basic league info it looks okay.For a customer that plays regular offensive redraft that paid $39.95 last year that same content is now $47.88. Sure, they now get the Mobile apps thrown in, but I'm curious as to how many of them paid extra for the mobile apps anyway. My hunch is a relatively small amount. This is the equivalent of your local cable company adding some additional channels that you would never watch anyway and then raising prices because they added more "value" in those channels.
It’s $9.99 monthly.You're saying folks can pay $3.99 right now for this month or to get them thru early Sept, maybe they keep it another month or two and then you can turn it off and you mostly have access to everything in the base subscription? $3.99 a month, seriously?i'm not on one side or the other on this, it's an unfortunate reality. but want to clarify something here at a practical level and I think i read this right. The 47.88 is the annual price, the monthly is 3.99. one of the changes noted by Joe on this page is that the annual sub is truly full year now. until last year in-season subscriber contents started roughly mid July and ended ahead of the Superbowl. That's 8 months. Simple math says 8 x 3.99 is roughly $32, less than the annual sub last year. Not accounting for some of the shifts to the elite tier like auction, which frankly is not good content anyway, that looks like a discount on basic content plus the apps. i'm not crazy about tiering subs and some of the changes, but at the least for basic league info it looks okay.For a customer that plays regular offensive redraft that paid $39.95 last year that same content is now $47.88. Sure, they now get the Mobile apps thrown in, but I'm curious as to how many of them paid extra for the mobile apps anyway. My hunch is a relatively small amount. This is the equivalent of your local cable company adding some additional channels that you would never watch anyway and then raising prices because they added more "value" in those channels.
That's incredible if true.
$3.99 is the monthly cost when billed annually. $47.88/12.
Bumping this because I cant find it either.Is there a league / lineup dominator app for Android?
This is good stuff.I just want to throw in my $0.02 that I was surprised at the price increase. But more than the price increase, I was shocked at the stripping of content.
I play in a couple of leagues, one auction, and to have the auction draft pushed into the higher tier... I just really don't think it's worth it. I'm effectively paying $22 extra dollars for that algorithm and (mostly) regurgitated auction draft articles.
Given that auction drafts are only different during the draft, that doesn't make sense. What also frustrates is that it was content I had last year but have now lost. I'm not paying for an increase in value, I'm paying 58% more than I did last year for the same content. Yes, technically IDP and Best Ball and whatever are included, but I don't use that content. The DFS / Season long fantasy split made sense. As a user, this does not.
I appreciate the work the FBG team has done. But I've requested a refund for this year as I cannot justify the price. I also find the presentation a little deceptive, acting like throwing in mobile apps (which I don't use) is somehow saving me money.
edit: I did try poking around in Draft Dominator to see if there were any changes (at least that affected me). The UX was horrible as a non-Elite auction user because every time I changed a setting or it would pop-up urging me to use "optimized rankings". I'm unclear if you're not able to use auction drafts at all with the Pro subscription (irrespective of using FBG "optimized" rankings), that seems to be the intent.
This is what cost any shot at me re-subscribing. I used to live on these forums and spent a ton of time doing my own work but that's not nearly so viable as life progresses. Bundling in services I don't want and then using that to justify the price increase is bad business. It's 2022, I can't believe there's not an ala-carte option to select what you want. I could code that in about 2 hours. $20 base, +X for IDP, +Y for dynasy, +Z for DD, etc etc etc.I appreciate the work the FBG team has done. But I've requested a refund for this year as I cannot justify the price. I also find the presentation a little deceptive, acting like throwing in mobile apps (which I don't use) is somehow saving me money.
This is why I dropped my subscriptions after having been here since old yellow. Ala crate would likely get me back fwiwThis is what cost any shot at me re-subscribing. I used to live on these forums and spent a ton of time doing my own work but that's not nearly so viable as life progresses. Bundling in services I don't want and then using that to justify the price increase is bad business. It's 2022, I can't believe there's not an ala-carte option to select what you want. I could code that in about 2 hours. $20 base, +X for IDP, +Y for dynasy, +Z for DD, etc etc etc.I appreciate the work the FBG team has done. But I've requested a refund for this year as I cannot justify the price. I also find the presentation a little deceptive, acting like throwing in mobile apps (which I don't use) is somehow saving me money.
I said this at the beginning - Redraft and Auction are exactly the same once the season starts and its a simple formula to create auction values from their redraft projections. No real explanation was given because I suspect, there is no legitimate reason for Auction not to be on the basic tier with redraft.Given that auction drafts are only different during the draft, that doesn't make sense.
I would as well,This is why I dropped my subscriptions after having been here since old yellow. Ala crate would likely get me back fwiwThis is what cost any shot at me re-subscribing. I used to live on these forums and spent a ton of time doing my own work but that's not nearly so viable as life progresses. Bundling in services I don't want and then using that to justify the price increase is bad business. It's 2022, I can't believe there's not an ala-carte option to select what you want. I could code that in about 2 hours. $20 base, +X for IDP, +Y for dynasy, +Z for DD, etc etc etc.I appreciate the work the FBG team has done. But I've requested a refund for this year as I cannot justify the price. I also find the presentation a little deceptive, acting like throwing in mobile apps (which I don't use) is somehow saving me money.
I said this at the beginning - Redraft and Auction are exactly the same once the season starts and its a simple formula to create auction values from their redraft projections. No real explanation was given because I suspect, there is no legitimate reason for Auction not to be on the basic tier with redraft.
so is the monthly actually a monthly subscription or is just 12 individual payments? @Joe Bryant
Is there a league / lineup dominator app for Android?
It's 2022, I can't believe there's not an ala-carte option to select what you want. I could code that in about 2 hours. $20 base, +X for IDP, +Y for dynasy, +Z for DD, etc etc etc.
Same thing here. Is my league "dynasty" because it has two keepers per team? Why am I being asked to pay roughly 50% more than my existing Pro fees to support League Dominator for what is essentially a redraft league?My leagues are basically redraft, but the 5 second primer thinks they have IDP or dynasty
this is confusing
My leagues are basically redraft, but the 5 second primer thinks they have IDP or dynasty
this is confusing
Same thing here. Is my league "dynasty" because it has two keepers per team? Why am I being asked to pay roughly 50% more than my existing Pro fees to support League Dominator for what is essentially a redraft league?
Those are my random rambling thoughts
Is there a league / lineup dominator app for Android?
Working nowMy leagues are basically redraft, but the 5 second primer thinks they have IDP or dynasty
this is confusing
Can you please try to synch them again with the League Dominator Online? We had a glitch where it was synching to a league where you'd already drafted and seeing the drafted players as if they'd been carried over as dynasty and that was throwing it off. We are releasing a new version today for League Dominator online that should be ready now.
And pushing new versions to the App Store that hopefully will be ready when they approve.
It's working for me. Just downloaded it a minute ago.Is there a league / lineup dominator app for Android?
Can you see it now @elshagon in the Google Play store?
It's working for me. Just downloaded it a minute ago.
It's fixed. Thanks!Same thing here. Is my league "dynasty" because it has two keepers per team? Why am I being asked to pay roughly 50% more than my existing Pro fees to support League Dominator for what is essentially a redraft league?
No. Keepers are part of the PRO level subscription.
Can you please try to synch them again with the League Dominator Online? We had a glitch where it was synching to a league where you'd already drafted and seeing the drafted players as if they'd been carried over as dynasty and that was throwing it off. We are releasing a new version today for League Dominator online that should be ready now.
And pushing new versions to the App Store that hopefully will be ready when they approve.
It's like they're always watching what I type on the internet.It's working for me. Just downloaded it a minute ago.
Great. Thanks. You folks must have an inside connection at Google. It had been stuck in their review que for 3 days and as soon as you folks started talking about it, we finally were approved.
"Will never recommend your website or service again. I paid your higher price this year for the same subscription I have had for years and. One matchup dominator and all similar services require me to pay an additional fee one month after I just paid…. Telling me I’m in a dynasty league or IDP league…. I got sucker punched! During first week of the season too. Pretty damn shady. I’ll find a way to get this out. BBB isn’t used as much now but they have some new tools to help other customers not get suckered by your expensive service that didn’t even last three weeks. I either want my $50 back or you to find a fix, or I’ll be spending all the time I used to doing fantasy football making sure I find a way to save people from your shady service "
I made my purchase and so did all of my friends within the last 30 days. You changed your pricing within that time range. That is not acceptable and while you have refunded my subscription, your other customers need to be aware and our league is taking that on as our goal for this season as you screwed us all over. We can not stand by while other customers get treated the same way. WE are fighters for the small guy, and while our business doesn't matter to you, we will find a way to reach the masses. I'm sure you understand, as you would not want to purchase something with a promise and then the price is changed after you have already purchased the service with a promise of a year.
I’m amazed at the push back about the new price. I’ve always thought the price was incredibly low, given the content we get. Always wondered how Joe paid his staff enough to do what they do, let alone make enough for himself. I’d pay a lot more than what’s being asked currently. I’m in the minority there though, but to be honest, the price increase is what, the cost of a pizza? Oh, and that’s not even taking in to account the free message boards, and contests. I have no idea what anyone else offers, and won’t ever look. This is my home base for 20 years, and the price is well worth it.
And when I read about the "Free subscribers contest", My first thought is that it isn't really free if that's the primary reason I still pay for a subscription anymore.