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FBI accused of leaking private data to NYT after Project Veritas raid (1 Viewer)

I don't think there will be a violent civil war.  I think it all starts with a state putting some form of referendum question on the ballot concerning leaving the country.  This alone won't mean much, but if other states start to do the same thing then the conversation starts.

 
Nobody said there was evidence.  It’s highly suspicious.  If the FBI investigated PV for potential illegal activity in obtaining the diary then they should investigate The NY Times for potential illegal activity in obtaining the leaked attorney correspondence.
Ummmmm, we must be reading different threads.  A few folks in here insinuating that the smoking gun has already been discovered.

 
FBI raid on Project Veritas founder’s home sparks questions about press freedom

The Biden administration’s effort to establish itself as a committed champion of press freedom is facing new doubts because of the Justice Department’s aggressive legal tactics against a conservative provocateur known for his hidden-camera video stings. 

A predawn FBI raid last weekend against Project Veritas founder James O’Keefe and similar raids on some of his associates are prompting alarm from some First Amendment advocates, who contend that prosecutors appear to have run roughshod over Justice Department media policies and a federal law protecting journalists.

Adding to the drama surrounding the brewing court showdown: It stems from a politically sensitive investigation into the alleged theft of the diary of President Joe Biden’s daughter Ashley. 

That document made it into the hands of O’Keefe’s organization, Project Veritas, which never published anything on the subject and eventually turned the document over to police.

An ensuing federal investigation resulted in the FBI raid on O’Keefe’s home in Westchester County, N.Y., at 6 a.m. last Saturday to seize his cell phones pursuant to a court order. O’Keefe says he stood handcuffed in his underwear in a hallway as almost a dozen agents — one carrying a battering ram — searched for the phones.

The politically fraught episode is shaping up as an early test of the vows from Biden and Attorney General Merrick Garland to show greater respect for the media and to back away from the confrontational, often hostile approach favored by former President Donald Trump and his administration. 

“This is just beyond belief,” said University of Minnesota law professor Jane Kirtley, a former executive director of the Reporters Committee for Freedom of the Press. “I’m not a big fan of Project Veritas, but this is just over the top. I hope they get a serious reprimand from the court because I think this is just wrong.”

O'Keefe’s lawyers complained to a federal judge this week that the raid unfairly denied him the legal protections afforded to journalists.

"The Department of Justice’s use of a search warrant to seize a reporter’s notes and work product violates decades of established Supreme Court precedent," O’Keefe lawyer Paul Calli wrote to prosecutors.

O’Keefe’s lawyers are demanding that the court appoint a special master to supervise the review of the information on his phones, which they contend contains sensitive details about confidential sources, as well as privileged communication with Project Veritas’ attorneys. 

Such a process is uncommon, but has been used in recent years to sift through information seized in federal investigations into two of Trump’s personal attorneys, Michael Cohen and Rudy Giuliani. 

On Thursday, Manhattan-based U.S. District Court Judge Analisa Torres issued a one-page order giving prosecutors one day to confirm they have "paused [their] extraction and review of the contents" of O’Keefe's cell phones. Torres — an appointee of President Barack Obama — has not yet ruled on O’Keefe’s request for a special master, who is typically a retired judge.

Project Veritas was facing a jury trial in Washington next month in the suit brought by Democracy Partners, a Democratic consulting firm it infiltrated, but on Thursday, a judge postponed the trial due to the raids and the unfolding legal fight over them.

At the center of the gathering legal storm is a pivotal question: Is O’Keefe a journalist in the eyes of the law?

O’Keefe’s attorneys insist that despite his evident political bent and his unorthodox — sometimes deceptive — tactics, he qualifies as a journalist under a federal statute and Justice Department regulations aimed at sharply restricting the use of search warrants and similar steps against members of the media.

Prosecutors insist they’ve complied with those requirements, but have thus far been cagey about whether or not they’re treating O’Keefe as a member of the press.

“The Government hereby confirms that it has complied with all applicable regulations and policies regarding potential members of the news media in the course of this investigation, including with respect to the search warrant at issue,” prosecutors from the U.S. Attorney’s office in Manhattan wrote Monday in a letter to O’Keefe’s lawyers obtained by POLITICO.

At a Senate Judiciary Committee hearing last month, Garland was asked who qualifies as a journalist under Justice Department policies. “It’s very difficult to make that kind of definition,” he said.

O’Keefe is certainly not a typical journalist. Indeed, several of his outfit’s major hidden-camera exposés have been directed at employees of major news organizations such as CNN and NPR, seeking to paint them as left-wing activists. (At least one such attempt was foiled in 2017 when Washington Post reporters suspected they were being set up and effectively turned the tables on O’Keefe’s operatives.)

While many of O’Keefe’s tactics are unsavory, they are far from unknown in the mainstream press. Hidden-camera stings and undercover reporting have fallen out of fashion at most traditional news organizations, but they were once a staple of network television news magazines.

In the 1970s, the Chicago Sun-Times bought a rundown bar and rigged it out with hidden cameras, successfully capturing city inspectors demanding bribes. NBC’s popular and controversial series, “To Catch a Predator,” revolves around hidden-camera stings.

O’Keefe’s rather overt political agenda is also in line with a long American tradition of advocacy journalism. And many conservatives view mainstream news outlets as pervasively liberal in their worldview even as most claim to be neutral in their reporting.

Some of O’Keefe’s practices do seem highly unusual. A poorly redacted pleading filed in the civil suit Project Veritas was set to face trial on next month indicates that O’Keefe encouraged a colleague to tell potential donors they could provide “input” on the timing of release of Project Veritas’ work, raising the specter that O’Keefe was essentially operating under the direct control of political benefactors.

“Real news organizations — whether Fox News, the New York Times or any other recognized media outlet — do not go to their donors, or advertisers, and ask for their ‘input’ on when stories should be run,” attorneys for Democracy Partners said in the court filing.

Kirtley, the Minnesota law professor, warned against denying legal protections to Project Veritas based on its political outlook or its tactics. She also noted that Trump repeatedly accused mainstream media outlets of both unethical practices and of having a political ax to grind.

“Trump’s been saying that about the New York Times for seven years,” she said. “It’s very dangerous to try to categorize people doing journalistic-type work, even if they’re not doing it the way I would do it or the way the mainstream media would do it or the way ethical journalists would do it,” Kirtley said.

Another First Amendment advocate, Trevor Timm of the Freedom of the Press Foundation, also said the raids on Project Veritas were worrying.

“I don't personally like Project Veritas at all, but imagine this was a liberal org under Trump. Not a good precedent,” he wrote on Twitter.

However, legal experts cautioned that even if Project Veritas and O’Keefe qualify as journalists under the law or Justice Department policy, that did not give them license to violate the law.

“If they’ve got evidence that [Project Veritas] has broken the law, then we’re in a completely different world here,” Kirtley said.

Precisely how the Biden daughter’s diary came into the organization’s possession is unclear, but there have been no public indications thus far that — if the diary was stolen — the conservative group planned the theft or helped carry it out.

Court papers provided to the Project Veritas founder when his phones were seized last weekend indicate that his devices were taken as part of an investigation that prosecutors are conducting into potential conspiracy to traffic stolen goods across state lines, as well as accessory-after-the-fact and misprision of a felony.

Precisely what the government told U.S. Magistrate Judge Sarah Cave to get the warrant used to seize O’Keefe’s phones is unclear and remains under seal. 

But the bare-bones outline of the investigation contained in the warrant has fueled the concerns of First Amendment advocates because the Supreme Court ruled in 2001 that media outlets cannot be held liable for publishing information that may have been obtained illegally, as long as they themselves obtained the material legally.

Project Veritas’ lawyer, Calli, acknowledged in an interview on Fox News’ “Hannity” last week that O’Keefe’s group “agreed to pay money for the right to publish” the purported Biden diary. Calli said lawyers for the sources assured Project Veritas that the diary had been obtained lawfully, but the group’s only information on how it was obtained came from the sources.

Calli told the court in a letter earlier this week that the sources told Project Veritas they obtained the diary after Ashley Biden abandoned it at a home in Delray Beach, Fla.

Lawyers tracking the case say the publicly available facts suggest two possibilities: the Justice Department deemed O’Keefe did not qualify as a journalist under DOJ guidelines and federal law known as the Privacy Protection Act, or concluded that he was a member of the media, but that Project Veritas’ personnel may still have committed a crime. 

Some language in the warrant suggests prosecutors are examining whether a bidding process for the diary violated laws against fencing stolen items.

However, Calli insists that even if the FBI suspects O’Keefe or others of crimes, Justice Department policy required prosecutors to negotiate for Project Veritas’ materials rather than seizing them. 

“The principles that informed this guidance are no less applicable where the news-gathering activities focus on the President’s daughter,” Calli wrote in the motion seeking a special master.

Emails obtained by POLITICO show prosecutors declined to tell Calli whether the Project Veritas searches were approved by a Justice Department committee that oversees investigations impacting the news media.

A spokesperson for the U.S. Attorney’s Office in Manhattan declined to comment on the office’s handling of the inquiry. A Justice Department spokesperson also declined comment.

Over the past six months, Biden and Garland have introduced extraordinarily protective policies toward the press, protections so robust that some national security professionals have raised concerns. However, the fight with Project Veritas raises questions about how broadly the new administration intends to apply those robust protections.

“This is really a test in this administration of whether they’re going to put their money where their mouth is,” Kirtley said. “If they’re trying to be seen as great champions of press freedom, this is a pretty bad way to start.”
Thank you for posting the whole article.  It’s a really good read.   And it IS disturbing to see the possibility that our govt way overstepped its bounds here.

It’s also a stretch - IMO - to call O’Keefe a journalist.  He’s about as much of a journalist as I am a priest.  But even if he wasn’t a journalist, the govt still likely behaved irresponsibly here.  (though again IMO we still need more evidence)

I’d love to see a reputable news source investigate this.   Hopefully that happens.

 
Thank you for posting the whole article.  It’s a really good read.   And it IS disturbing to see the possibility that our govt way overstepped its bounds here.

It’s also a stretch - IMO - to call O’Keefe a journalist.  He’s about as much of a journalist as I am a priest.  But even if he wasn’t a journalist, the govt still likely behaved irresponsibly here.  (though again IMO we still need more evidence)

I’d love to see a reputable news source investigate this.   Hopefully that happens.
Not a fan but he is more credible than Rachel Maddow and networks are throwing 30mil at her.

 
I’m glad to acknowledge those things.  🤷‍♂️

And I’m a fan of the 4th amendment.  Also a fan of limited government power.  I don’t want us to live in a police state.
And this is the biggest difference I see from the right and left.  The left wants to hold off totalitarianism.  The right is ok with it as long as their side (whatever that really means) is in control.  They obviously have no problem setting aside election results. 

 
Thank you for posting the whole article.  It’s a really good read.   And it IS disturbing to see the possibility that our govt way overstepped its bounds here.

It’s also a stretch - IMO - to call O’Keefe a journalist.  He’s about as much of a journalist as I am a priest.  But even if he wasn’t a journalist, the govt still likely behaved irresponsibly here.  (though again IMO we still need more evidence)

I’d love to see a reputable news source investigate this.   Hopefully that happens.
O’Keefe has a checkered past no doubt.  His original “sting” on NPR in 2011 was intentionally deceptive editing and his reputation has been forever tarnished over it.  But I do think he’s done some valuable work in the last few years.  He engages in a form of sting journalism that frankly I like.  And I like it from both sides.  He’s certainly biased and he freely admits it.  Regardless of what you think of him he deserves the same consideration that other “journalists” get.

 
And this is the biggest difference I see from the right and left.  The left wants to hold off totalitarianism.  The right is ok with it as long as their side (whatever that really means) is in control.  They obviously have no problem setting aside election results. 
Oh I think you’re way wrong on that.  The Left has become MUCH more authoritarian than the Right the last 20 years.  It wasn’t always that way.  I was a Liberal for the first half of my life and I rejected all the religious right intolerance bs.  The Left has lost its way my friend.  Cancel culture, political correctness, suppression of free speech… it’s awful.

 
O’Keefe has a checkered past no doubt.  His original “sting” on NPR in 2011 was intentionally deceptive editing and his reputation has been forever tarnished over it.  But I do think he’s done some valuable work in the last few years.  He engages in a form of sting journalism that frankly I like.  And I like it from both sides.  He’s certainly biased and he freely admits it.  Regardless of what you think of him he deserves the same consideration that other “journalists” get.
He has still done the same deceptive editing.  There is a reasons his sting “reports “ never amount to anything.  He deserves almost zero consideration as anything.  He has no credibility and he isn’t a journalist.  He is a fraud.   

 
Oh I think you’re way wrong on that.  The Left has become MUCH more authoritarian than the Right the last 20 years.  It wasn’t always that way.  I was a Liberal for the first half of my life and I rejected all the religious right intolerance bs.  The Left has lost its way my friend.  Cancel culture, political correctness, suppression of free speech… it’s awful.
Cancel culture?  Ask Jamal Kashoggi about cancel culture.  Oh wait you can’t because Trump sanctioned a hit on him to silence free press.   

Which side controls the Supreme Court despite having won exactly one popular election for President since 1992? 

Which side controls law enforcement?

Which side controls the military? 

Which side is pulling out all the stops to overturn elections?  Which side released the kraken to retain power lol.  
 

cancel culture lol.  Good one.  

 

 
Ok.  Now I’ve read the whole thread.  Where are the links that prove anything happened here?  I see some suggestions and accusations by a guy (who happens to be a discredited POS) who is embarrassed because he got raided.  But all I see are accusations, not proof.
Times published soon after FBI raid. 

This is the extent of the "evidence"

 
He has still done the same deceptive editing.  There is a reasons his sting “reports “ never amount to anything.  He deserves almost zero consideration as anything.  He has no credibility and he isn’t a journalist.  He is a fraud.   
Interesting.  What other deceptive editing has he done?  Genuinely interested.  Thanks.

 
Cancel culture?  Ask Jamal Kashoggi about cancel culture.  Oh wait you can’t because Trump sanctioned a hit on him to silence free press.   

Which side controls the Supreme Court despite having won exactly one popular election for President since 1992? 

Which side controls law enforcement?

Which side controls the military? 

Which side is pulling out all the stops to overturn elections?  Which side released the kraken to retain power lol.  
 

cancel culture lol.  Good one.  

 
You really think Trump sanctioned the murder of Kashogi?

i actually agree with you on the rest.  The Right aren’t saints either.

 
Interesting.  What other deceptive editing has he done?  Genuinely interested.  Thanks.
There is a reason raw video won’t be available.  But his history and that of veritas is easily available if you want to actually look into him.  He has zero credibility 

 
There is a reason raw video won’t be available.  But his history and that of veritas is easily available if you want to actually look into him.  He has zero credibility 
That’s why I asked.  I did look into him and the only legitimate instance of deceptive editing I could find was from 2011.  If anyone can find other instances I’d love to see it.  I feel like I’m missing something here.

 
@KarmaPoliceDidnt answer and @dozerjust gave me a laugh.  Not good. 😆

I probably deserve some scorn in here.  I tend to be a little too hot at times.  Don’t mean any harm by it.  In person I’m really a swell guy. 😆

 
And this is the biggest difference I see from the right and left.  The left wants to hold off totalitarianism.  The right is ok with it as long as their side (whatever that really means) is in control.  They obviously have no problem setting aside election results. 
And this is the problem with tribalism. People from the right can say the exact same thing because they are seeing totalitarianism forming but the left still says "well at least it's better than the last guy."

 
Calling Trump Supporters domestic terrorists. There's at least 74m people that voted for him. Hardly a stretch. Especially considering some of you still think Russian affected 2016. 
I think you post a lot of good arguments, whether I agree with them or not.  But you not walking this back only serves to discredit you. 

 
NorvilleBarnes said:
It's just boggles my mind that people still think NYT is a legit news organization. 
You know how it goes, as long as it pushes their agenda they jump on board no matter how obvious the lies. 

 
You really think Trump sanctioned the murder of Kashogi?

i actually agree with you on the rest.  The Right aren’t saints either.
I think Trump probably didn’t even know who it was and didn’t give a rip.  He most likely just looked the other way.  He certainly didn’t do anything about it.   

Maybe sanctioned isn’t the right word.  He allowed it to happen, most likely in exchange for something for himself.  
 

It’s kind of like he did  with Otto Warmbier.  He just allowed an American citizen to be murdered and went back to his Big Mac and watching Judge Janine. 

 
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And this is the problem with tribalism. People from the right can say the exact same thing because they are seeing totalitarianism forming but the left still says "well at least it's better than the last guy."
This is true.  But one side is clearly winning.  And it ain’t the left.  It’s a general move of our nation. The right pushes harsh laws, the left acquiesces and pretends to be so fractured they can’t even fight it.  The citizens get more ####ed over.  The politicians jet set around.  
 

To be honest, it’s just basically theater so we don’t outright revolt.  But yeah I see where the right thinks the left is pushing it.  But I just look at it this way. 
 

end of the day, I think both sides want the government to have more power as long as they are at the controls.  The Republicans are just more blatant about it. And better at it.  

 
This is true.  But one side is clearly winning.  And it ain’t the left.  It’s a general move of our nation. The right pushes harsh laws, the left acquiesces and pretends to be so fractured they can’t even fight it.  The citizens get more ####ed over.  The politicians jet set around.  
 

To be honest, it’s just basically theater so we don’t outright revolt.  But yeah I see where the right thinks the left is pushing it.  But I just look at it this way. 
 

end of the day, I think both sides want the government to have more power as long as they are at the controls.  The Republicans are just more blatant about it. And better at it.  
And again, everytht you just said is what the right is saying now about the left. It shows you that even though the people may see things as right and left, the politicians are on the same side. It's not right vs left. It's elite vs peasants. We're all losing. 

 
And again, everytht you just said is what the right is saying now about the left. It shows you that even though the people may see things as right and left, the politicians are on the same side. It's not right vs left. It's elite vs peasants. We're all losing. 
100% agree.  Now I have to run to Starbucks! 

 
Its a good source…especially in comparison to the GatewayPundit RedState and others. 

Care to address the substance in that link?
Please stop. I’m not going back and forth with you. Joe has warned you about this  :pokey: in the past.  Business Insider is a garbage tabloid that makes TMZ look Pulitzer caliber.  

 
Please stop. I’m not going back and forth with you. Joe has warned you about this  :pokey: in the past.  Business Insider is a garbage tabloid that makes TMZ look Pulitzer caliber.  
HIGH CREDIBILITY

Its a left biased site, but its credible enough.

"Overall, we rate Business Insider Left-Center Biased based on story selection that leans left and High for factual reporting due to proper sourcing and a reasonable fact check record."

 
Otto Warmbier was Trump's fault and not North Korea's? That's rich. What was he supposed to do, nuke them?

That's not thinking rationally or accurately about Trump and that situation.

 
dozer said:
HIGH CREDIBILITY

Its a left biased site, but its credible enough.

"Overall, we rate Business Insider Left-Center Biased based on story selection that leans left and High for factual reporting due to proper sourcing and a reasonable fact check record."
hmm.  I wonder what they say about Gateway Pundit ....

 
dozer said:
HIGH CREDIBILITY

Its a left biased site, but its credible enough.

"Overall, we rate Business Insider Left-Center Biased based on story selection that leans left and High for factual reporting due to proper sourcing and a reasonable fact check record."
There's a bunch of these now -- fact-based, but the story selection and headlines are 100% left-leaning partisan and designed to inflame. 

Business Insider, Newsweek and a few others I'm spacing on off the top of my head.  Better than sites that just straight make things up, but still not worth reading IMO.

 
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I think Trump probably didn’t even know who it was and didn’t give a rip.  He most likely just looked the other way.  He certainly didn’t do anything about it.   

Maybe sanctioned isn’t the right word.  He allowed it to happen, most likely in exchange for something for himself.  
 

It’s kind of like he did  with Otto Warmbier.  He just allowed an American citizen to be murdered and went back to his Big Mac and watching Judge Janine. 
Sanctioning an assassination is what Obama did with Anwar al-Awlaki.

 
Sanctioning an assassination is what Obama did with Anwar al-Awlaki.


The world is a dicey place.  When you leave the soft comfort of our borders the wider world is a rather nasty place. Which is why people flock to be here.  They are aware of that which too many current citizens are not, that the US is a wonderful place.

I have spent considerable time in other nations and have found that the average person in many locations is not unlike the average person here, they just want to live their life.

In the past we have allowed extremists to have a toe hold; Southern Democrats, Jim Crow, etc etc.

We unwound that, and continue to make great progress.  But now we face the radical zealotry of leftism and we must stand up to it.

 

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