PatsFoxboro
Footballguy
Oh, I'm sure Kraft knew. What do you expect him to do, fire himself as the team owner? Belichick will be the one that needs to go.
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PatsFoxboro
Footballguy
If the Patriots are clean then why not cooperate? Why not talk, disclose all, and restore your image. Sadly, I feel there is much more to this story and the way the Patriots and league have handled this matter. The real losers are the fans who supported the Patriots through the losing and winning seasons. Frankly, it's staring to sicken me.http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3259486
This story cracks me up. Nobody will talk to poor old Arlen Specter.
Someone should investigate this guy for wasting government resources having his staff fruitlessly chase everyone in the league with any current or former affiliation to the Patriots.
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Pat Patriot
Footballguy
Krafty wont fire Belichick. Not even as a sacrificial lamb.
PatsFoxboro
Footballguy
And you know this how? While I feel there is slim chance he would fire Belichick, I feel it is much more likely that eventually Belichick is suspended by the league for a year. I would welcome that if it meant we could shed this black cloud and get back to football. I dont trust Belichick anymore and am finding it harder and harder to see him leading our team.
Pat Patriot
Footballguy
According to the article, they have all already been interviewed by the League. The Patriots broke a League rule. Why does that require a Congressional Investigation?And before you bring up Baseball, steroids are against the LAW.If the Patriots are clean then why not cooperate? Why not talk, disclose all, and restore your image. Sadly, I feel there is much more to this story and the way the Patriots and league have handled this matter. The real losers are the fans who supported the Patriots through the losing and winning seasons. Frankly, it's staring to sicken me.http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3259486
This story cracks me up. Nobody will talk to poor old Arlen Specter.
Someone should investigate this guy for wasting government resources having his staff fruitlessly chase everyone in the league with any current or former affiliation to the Patriots.
You do realize that Specter has equated the Patriot videotaping with the pilfering of Corporate Trade Secrets. Which he then promptly stated is a felony in this country. Sounds like he wants to put Belichick in prison for beating his beloved Eagles.
Specter is a JOKE.
mad sweeney
Footballguy
Hate to tell you this, but if BB gets suspended then that black cloud will get bigger and darker because it will completely validate the claims of cheating. BB getting suspended for this is the last thing a Pats fan should want.
Pat Patriot
Footballguy
Honest question. You have Belichick being suspended for a year. For what? There is 0 evidence of anything beyond what the Patriots were already severely (overly IMO) punished for. What makes you so quick to believe that Matt Walsh has a "smoking gun"?
Pat Patriot
Footballguy
A suspension or firing of Belichick will not end this, it will give this historical significance.
Pat Patriot
Footballguy
I dont work for the Patriots. Anything I post is simply my opinion.
PatsFoxboro
Footballguy
Belichick not head coaching this team any longer will begin the healing process. Nobody will ever forget the organization was caught cheating, but really, let's move on with a new head coach and clean up our act.
Pat Patriot
Footballguy
You really have bought the propaganda hook, line and sinker. I feel bad for you. It seems the only way you can get past this is to have the franchise completely trashed and to put in jeopardy the immediate future success of the Patriots team.As Mad Sweeney said, the last thing a Pats fan should want is the suspension or dismissal of Belichick. That only serves to validate the unsubstantuated accusations that are currently out there. Brady has about 5 years left. Belichick gives them the best opportunity to win more titles. I'll take him as my coach, warts and all.Belichick not head coaching this team any longer will begin the healing process. Nobody will ever forget the organization was caught cheating, but really, let's move on with a new head coach and clean up our act.
PatsFoxboro
Footballguy
The team has already been issued the largest punishment in league history. That day I lost faith in Belichick. I live here in Foxboro, and loyal Pats fans are getting tired of Belichick's act. We'll win fair, or not at all. Just because you want to be a message board tough guy doesn't mean the majority of Pat fans agree with your opinion. You're the sad one for being brain-washed and supporting Belicheck despite him being an affirmed cheater. Now, drop your keyboard, go out tonight and take a deep breath. Come to South Boston and I'll even by you some suds.You really have bought the propaganda hook, line and sinker. I feel bad for you. It seems the only way you can get past this is to have the franchise completely trashed and to put in jeopardy the immediate future success of the Patriots team.As Mad Sweeney said, the last thing a Pats fan should want is the suspension or dismissal of Belichick. That only serves to validate the unsubstantuated accusations that are currently out there. Brady has about 5 years left. Belichick gives them the best opportunity to win more titles. I'll take him as my coach, warts and all.Belichick not head coaching this team any longer will begin the healing process. Nobody will ever forget the organization was caught cheating, but really, let's move on with a new head coach and clean up our act.A suspension or firing of Belichick will not end this, it will give this historical significance.
Pat Patriot
Footballguy
At home tonight with my 2 kids watching the Celtics game so I am not going anywhere. I'll be in Boston for a Celts game and and plenty of beers in late March.I'm not a message board tough guy. Far from it. "We'll win fair, or not at all." So you dont think the Patriots won fair? I do think the Patriots won on their own merits.I lived 35 years in Boston and still have many, many friends there that are all big Pats fans. Some wouldnt mind seeing Belichick gone but NONE feel that the Patriots won games because of videotaping. Many feel that Goodell should be fired because he has made this issue much worse by destroying evidence that he states is basically innocuous.The team has already been issued the largest punishment in league history. That day I lost faith in Belichick. I live here in Foxboro, and loyal Pats fans are getting tired of Belichick's act. We'll win fair, or not at all. Just because you want to be a message board tough guy doesn't mean the majority of Pat fans agree with your opinion. You're the sad one for being brain-washed and supporting Belicheck despite him being an affirmed cheater. Now, drop your keyboard, go out tonight and take a deep breath. Come to South Boston and I'll even by you some suds.You really have bought the propaganda hook, line and sinker. I feel bad for you. It seems the only way you can get past this is to have the franchise completely trashed and to put in jeopardy the immediate future success of the Patriots team.As Mad Sweeney said, the last thing a Pats fan should want is the suspension or dismissal of Belichick. That only serves to validate the unsubstantuated accusations that are currently out there. Brady has about 5 years left. Belichick gives them the best opportunity to win more titles. I'll take him as my coach, warts and all.Belichick not head coaching this team any longer will begin the healing process. Nobody will ever forget the organization was caught cheating, but really, let's move on with a new head coach and clean up our act.
Class Dismissed
Footballguy
Specter irked by uncooperative Pats, league in Spygate probe
League Lawyers Up
By Mike Fish
ESPN.com
(Archive)
Updated: February 22, 2008
Frustrated at the obstacles confronting his investigation of "Spygate," Sen. Arlen Specter accused the New England Patriots of "stonewalling" on Friday and suggested the NFL might never get around to questioning key witness Matt Walsh, a former Patriots video assistant.
Specter's comments are in stark contrast to remarks on Wednesday from NFL commissioner Roger Goodell, who told reporters that the NFL was moving toward an agreement that would allow Walsh to tell what he knows about the Patriots' spying practices without fear of being sued.
Sen. Arlen Specter says he would like to be present if the NFL ever questions Matt Walsh, a former Patriots video assistant.
"My suspicion is that they're going to put enough conditions on it so that he won't talk," Specter, a Republican from Pennsylvania, told ESPN.com. "If they had wanted Walsh to talk, it would have been done a long time ago. They are not helped by keeping him on ice, unless they intend to [permanently] keep him on ice."
If the league gains Walsh's cooperation, Specter said he wants to be present when Walsh is questioned "because a witness' testimony can be shaded or molded by who questions him first.''
Walsh, employed by the Patriots from 1996 to 2003, has suggested that he has information, perhaps even materials, about the Patriots' video practices that could be potentially damaging.
His attorney, Michael Levy, forwarded a proposal to the NFL's outside counsel seeking full indemnification for Walsh on Feb. 14. Levy, as well as Specter, maintained that the league's initial proposal failed to protect Walsh against the possibility of being sued, and said it also required that he turn over any materials or evidence.
"They haven't taken the steps to get Walsh to come forward," Specter said. "They have the key."
Late Friday afternoon, NFL spokesperson Greg Aiello said the league respectfully disagrees with Specter.
"We have offered Mr. Walsh's attorney assurances that are fully responsive to his concerns," Aiello said. "And we have not heard back from him. ... We very much want to speak to [Walsh]."
As of Friday night, however, the league and Walsh's attorney had not reached an agreement.
An attorney for the Patriots told ESPN.com that Walsh did not have a confidentiality agreement with the franchise or anything else that might prevent his cooperation.
Specter painted a much starker, more contentious picture than the one presented by the league and the Patriots. He said both the Patriots and New York Jets have refused to cooperate with his investigation.
Specter told ESPN.com that his staff has been rebuffed in its efforts to interview Patriots personnel about the team's videotaping practices. The Republican leader on the Senate Judiciary Committee refused to say who, specifically, he wanted to talk to, but the list presumably includes head coach Bill Belichick, his longtime assistant Ernie Adams and members of the team's video department.
"My staff has been stonewalled on that," Specter said.
After his staff made phone contact with some individuals connected to the team, Specter said they were referred to the Patriots' outside legal counsel, who rejected a request for cooperation. Daniel L. Goldberg, who represents the Patriots and also the Boston Red Sox, said that in all cases, the individuals had been previously interviewed at least once -- and in some instances twice -- by the league.
Goldberg refused to identify those individuals.
"Sen. Specter's office had called me as counsel to the Patriots to ask to interview several Patriots employees," said Goldberg, attorney with the Boston firm of Bingham and McCutchen. "I was told that the inquiry was with respect to signal-taping. And as I explained to the Senator's office, we regard this as a league matter. As such, we have fully cooperated with the league's investigation."
Asked to respond to Specter's accusation that the Patriots have stonewalled his requests for information, Goldberg said, "You look at it from our perspective. Who is the right forum for an inquiry into a matter like this? We regard this as a league matter. It deals with league rules, league enforcement."
But Specter, a one-time district attorney in Philadelphia, didn't react favorably to the Patriots' responses to his investigators.
"Well, I think that it is somewhere between absurd to insulting that they won't let us talk to the witnesses," Specter said. "Whoever heard of not being able to talk to someone because it is hearsay back from somebody else who talked to them. You have to question hearsay and reliability. I'm not prepared to accept what somebody else says these key witnesses say. What kind of an inquiry would it be if we accepted what somebody else tells us what was said?"
Specter's investigators also have been rebuffed in their efforts to seek access to members of the Jets' coaching staff. During the season-opening game last September at New York, the Patriots were caught taping defensive signals being sent in from the Jets' sideline. The Jets' staff is of key interest in the Spygate affair because several members, including Jets head coach Eric Mangini, worked under Belichick in New England.
"Our firm was engaged to represent certain employees of the New York Jets in connection with a request for information from Sen. Specter," Jets outside legal counsel Scott Michel said in an e-mail to ESPN.com on Friday night. "Our clients have not spoken to the senator or his staff and at this time have no plans to do so."
Specter said Kansas City Chiefs quarterback Damon Huard, a one-time backup to Tom Brady with the Patriots, refused to speak with him, too, during a personal phone call the Senator placed to Huard last Friday.
"I talked to him, and he wouldn't talk," Specter said. "I didn't go through a secretary, and he doubted that it was Arlen Specter. Maybe that is why he wouldn't talk. I don't sound much like Arlen Specter."
Specter said it is only because of outside pressure that the NFL has offered up additional information related to the Patriots' taping history. Specter explained: "To get a concession from the commissioner that it goes back to the year 2000. To get a concession that they had notes. Originally, we were only told about videos, and they only went back a half-dozen games in '06. Originally, we weren't told that the notes included the [Pittsburgh] Steelers."
Specter said he is aware of what appears to be a united league-wide front supporting Goodell's handling of the taping controversy. That support was echoed Thursday at the NFL scouting combine in Indianapolis by members of the league's powerful Competition Committee, who told reporters they believe the issue should be put to rest.
"Well, I don't want to pick a fight with everybody in the world, like all the owners," Specter said. "But they are functioning from talking points -- 'We're satisfied with the investigation.' 'Oh yes, the penalty was sufficient.' 'Oh, let's put this behind us.' 'Let's move on.'
"You have heard everyone say the same thing."
League Lawyers Up
By Mike Fish
ESPN.com
(Archive)
Updated: February 22, 2008
Frustrated at the obstacles confronting his investigation of "Spygate," Sen. Arlen Specter accused the New England Patriots of "stonewalling" on Friday and suggested the NFL might never get around to questioning key witness Matt Walsh, a former Patriots video assistant.
Specter's comments are in stark contrast to remarks on Wednesday from NFL commissioner Roger Goodell, who told reporters that the NFL was moving toward an agreement that would allow Walsh to tell what he knows about the Patriots' spying practices without fear of being sued.
Sen. Arlen Specter says he would like to be present if the NFL ever questions Matt Walsh, a former Patriots video assistant.
"My suspicion is that they're going to put enough conditions on it so that he won't talk," Specter, a Republican from Pennsylvania, told ESPN.com. "If they had wanted Walsh to talk, it would have been done a long time ago. They are not helped by keeping him on ice, unless they intend to [permanently] keep him on ice."
If the league gains Walsh's cooperation, Specter said he wants to be present when Walsh is questioned "because a witness' testimony can be shaded or molded by who questions him first.''
Walsh, employed by the Patriots from 1996 to 2003, has suggested that he has information, perhaps even materials, about the Patriots' video practices that could be potentially damaging.
His attorney, Michael Levy, forwarded a proposal to the NFL's outside counsel seeking full indemnification for Walsh on Feb. 14. Levy, as well as Specter, maintained that the league's initial proposal failed to protect Walsh against the possibility of being sued, and said it also required that he turn over any materials or evidence.
"They haven't taken the steps to get Walsh to come forward," Specter said. "They have the key."
Late Friday afternoon, NFL spokesperson Greg Aiello said the league respectfully disagrees with Specter.
"We have offered Mr. Walsh's attorney assurances that are fully responsive to his concerns," Aiello said. "And we have not heard back from him. ... We very much want to speak to [Walsh]."
As of Friday night, however, the league and Walsh's attorney had not reached an agreement.
An attorney for the Patriots told ESPN.com that Walsh did not have a confidentiality agreement with the franchise or anything else that might prevent his cooperation.
Specter painted a much starker, more contentious picture than the one presented by the league and the Patriots. He said both the Patriots and New York Jets have refused to cooperate with his investigation.
Specter told ESPN.com that his staff has been rebuffed in its efforts to interview Patriots personnel about the team's videotaping practices. The Republican leader on the Senate Judiciary Committee refused to say who, specifically, he wanted to talk to, but the list presumably includes head coach Bill Belichick, his longtime assistant Ernie Adams and members of the team's video department.
"My staff has been stonewalled on that," Specter said.
After his staff made phone contact with some individuals connected to the team, Specter said they were referred to the Patriots' outside legal counsel, who rejected a request for cooperation. Daniel L. Goldberg, who represents the Patriots and also the Boston Red Sox, said that in all cases, the individuals had been previously interviewed at least once -- and in some instances twice -- by the league.
Goldberg refused to identify those individuals.
"Sen. Specter's office had called me as counsel to the Patriots to ask to interview several Patriots employees," said Goldberg, attorney with the Boston firm of Bingham and McCutchen. "I was told that the inquiry was with respect to signal-taping. And as I explained to the Senator's office, we regard this as a league matter. As such, we have fully cooperated with the league's investigation."
Asked to respond to Specter's accusation that the Patriots have stonewalled his requests for information, Goldberg said, "You look at it from our perspective. Who is the right forum for an inquiry into a matter like this? We regard this as a league matter. It deals with league rules, league enforcement."
But Specter, a one-time district attorney in Philadelphia, didn't react favorably to the Patriots' responses to his investigators.
"Well, I think that it is somewhere between absurd to insulting that they won't let us talk to the witnesses," Specter said. "Whoever heard of not being able to talk to someone because it is hearsay back from somebody else who talked to them. You have to question hearsay and reliability. I'm not prepared to accept what somebody else says these key witnesses say. What kind of an inquiry would it be if we accepted what somebody else tells us what was said?"
Specter's investigators also have been rebuffed in their efforts to seek access to members of the Jets' coaching staff. During the season-opening game last September at New York, the Patriots were caught taping defensive signals being sent in from the Jets' sideline. The Jets' staff is of key interest in the Spygate affair because several members, including Jets head coach Eric Mangini, worked under Belichick in New England.
"Our firm was engaged to represent certain employees of the New York Jets in connection with a request for information from Sen. Specter," Jets outside legal counsel Scott Michel said in an e-mail to ESPN.com on Friday night. "Our clients have not spoken to the senator or his staff and at this time have no plans to do so."
Specter said Kansas City Chiefs quarterback Damon Huard, a one-time backup to Tom Brady with the Patriots, refused to speak with him, too, during a personal phone call the Senator placed to Huard last Friday.
"I talked to him, and he wouldn't talk," Specter said. "I didn't go through a secretary, and he doubted that it was Arlen Specter. Maybe that is why he wouldn't talk. I don't sound much like Arlen Specter."
Specter said it is only because of outside pressure that the NFL has offered up additional information related to the Patriots' taping history. Specter explained: "To get a concession from the commissioner that it goes back to the year 2000. To get a concession that they had notes. Originally, we were only told about videos, and they only went back a half-dozen games in '06. Originally, we weren't told that the notes included the [Pittsburgh] Steelers."
Specter said he is aware of what appears to be a united league-wide front supporting Goodell's handling of the taping controversy. That support was echoed Thursday at the NFL scouting combine in Indianapolis by members of the league's powerful Competition Committee, who told reporters they believe the issue should be put to rest.
"Well, I don't want to pick a fight with everybody in the world, like all the owners," Specter said. "But they are functioning from talking points -- 'We're satisfied with the investigation.' 'Oh yes, the penalty was sufficient.' 'Oh, let's put this behind us.' 'Let's move on.'
"You have heard everyone say the same thing."
SeniorVBDStudent
Footballguy
Goodell's pre-superbowl presser; find it yourself.Link with the date of the article please.The commish stated that the Patriots handed over tapes that went back as far as 2006 and told him there were no more tapes in their possession.He did not say "filming" went back to as far as 2006. Sorry to nitpick, but the difference is huge.BigSteelThrill said:The commish stated at the time that the filming went back to as far as 2006. He said nothing about anything earlier. Nothing.He also stated that if more information were to come out he would be willing to revisit the penalties.SeniorVBDStudent said:Misleading statement on your part. Videotapes from 06 and notes from earlier than 06 were handed to the commish by the Patriots. Since it was not possible to determine if the notes had been gathered legally, the notes were destroyed as well. The commish neither confirmed or denied whether or not such activity had occurred earlier than 2006 at that time. Later, he confirmed that BB has been very open about videotaping during his tenure, noting that NE was taping already when he arrived.Now you can make an issue of whether or not Goodell was forthcoming or not, but it is not accurate to state that he implied that nothing funky happened prior to 2006.BigSteelThrill said:Penalties, at the time, that the commish himself only dated to 2006 for the infractions/cheating.Thus the currently opened can of worms.SeniorVBDStudent said:Which is why the penalties were imposed.Penalties that Rooney, Polian, Fisher and others infinitely more qualified to judge that fantasy football forum posters have concluded were necessary and sufficient.And Fisher says the rule is detailed enough not to be misinterpreted. So if we go by what Fisher said, then BB's "misinterpretation" defense is BS.Let's summarize.Those who share your opinion are not only aligning their perspective against the evil Belichick and Goodell, they are also saying that they reject what Rooney, Polian, Fisher and others have said about the veracity of punishment versus the infractions.Nnce the NFL commissioner destroyed what little evidence he (says he) had, he became part of the problem. Goodell treated the problem as if it was only a matter of cheating and getting punished. But he ignored the problem of distrust. The game we see played on the field is one we want to see played fairly, under a basic set of rule for players and coaches and owners that gives each team the same opportunity to win the game. Once one team seemed to be playing with an unfair advantage, belief in that underlying set of fairness began to erode. And destroying the evidence did a huge amount to erode trust, probably more than the cheating itself. Goodell no longer looks like the sheriff bringing justice to the NFL world. He looks like a prosecutor trying to cut deals for a defendant buddy who's really on the same side he is --- the side of "let's keep this quiet and make things look all right and it'll go away."
It was a stupid, shortsighted move destroying the evidence, and he deserves both criticism for doing it and ongoing suspicion that he's going to continue to try to cover things up ---- since he's already done it before.
I'm gonna go ahead and say that what they have to say on this matter is a lot more significant than that of the bashers around here.
The bottom line is that we know from published statements that Dan Rooney and Bill Polian were consulted on the outcome of Goodell's initial investigation, and they signed off on it.
Whatever else there is to say is opinion from fantasy football forum posters.
Later, he clarified that BB had acknowledged taping in NE since he arrived there, and that this was taken into account when establishing penalties.
So, if a tape surfaces from an arbitrary game, say New England vs Miami 2003, Goodell reserves the right to impose incremental penalties, but BB has already been forthright about the fact that such videotaping DID in fact occur, so it would be interesting to see what if any incremental penalties would be imposed.
The Rams walkthrough tape is an entirely different kettle of fish, as I have stated previously..
Hi Dman30.
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SeniorVBDStudent
Footballguy
fatness
Footballguy
I'd prefer someone outside the NFL to do the investigating. Face it, the NFL has a conflict of interest here. On one hand they can openly and publicly investigate any allegations and evidence of cheating, to show their fans (who supply their income) that games are indeed played on a level field, with no team having an unfair competitive advantage. On the other hand can try to bury any evidence of cheating, so their fans see no evidence that games are indeed played on a level field, with no team having an unfair competitive advantage. On one hand --- loyalty to the fans and the game. On the other hand --- loyalty to the group of millionaire team owners who hire the commissioner. Nobody in a position of conflict-of-interest should be able to do the investigating. Nobody is big enough to investigate an NFL matter except the NFL and the federal government. So we're stuck with those choices.
fatness
Footballguy
Link to Mike Fish's article at ESPN, discussed above
That's the crux of the matter --- the NFL wants to talk to Walsh, and have everyone else accept the NFL's version of what was talked about and presented. And if Walsh disagrees with them publicly about any of what was talked about and presented, he'll likely get sued. What a setup.
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Class Dismissed
Footballguy
What's frustrating to me is that Goodell has a 90 minute meeting complete with PPT Presentation with the NFL Competition Committee about Spygate.
He has a 90 minute meeting with Specter.
Yet he treats the fans of the league with contempt, he keeps us in the dark, he has gone to great lengths to keep us in the dark, why doesn't he have a 90 minute press conference about this and be done with it?
If that Press Conference would of happened in September, and then the Pats went 17-0, we wouldn't even be talking about this now.
Stonewalling Specter, keeping the truth from the fans, just leads me, and others, to believe that he is hiding a bombshell.
Didn't anybody learn anything from Watergate?......the coverup is what brought down Nixon, not the initial crime.
If you are a Pats fan, if you believe in your team, it's titles, it's legacy......why wouldn't you want full diclosure?
He has a 90 minute meeting with Specter.
Yet he treats the fans of the league with contempt, he keeps us in the dark, he has gone to great lengths to keep us in the dark, why doesn't he have a 90 minute press conference about this and be done with it?
If that Press Conference would of happened in September, and then the Pats went 17-0, we wouldn't even be talking about this now.
Stonewalling Specter, keeping the truth from the fans, just leads me, and others, to believe that he is hiding a bombshell.
Didn't anybody learn anything from Watergate?......the coverup is what brought down Nixon, not the initial crime.
If you are a Pats fan, if you believe in your team, it's titles, it's legacy......why wouldn't you want full diclosure?
SeniorVBDStudent
Footballguy
Full disclosure would be great. I actually think there is "enough" pressure on Goodell to ensure that an agreement with Walsh WILL be reached.Speaking of disclosure, I hope the process also explores the relationship between Specter's interest and his connections to Comcast.
SeniorVBDStudent
Footballguy
There is a God.Thank you Clayton.Hey Dman30, how does it feel to have less credibility than Belichick?
Pat Patriot
Footballguy
There is a God.Thank you Clayton.Hey Dman30, how does it feel to have less credibility than Belichick?
Nothing worse than a loser who pretends to be a fan of another team just to cause trouble. Do you hear me Darth Cheney?
Dman30
Footballguy
Nothing worse than a fan of a cheating team who pretends that nothing ever happened and just hopes by sticking his head in the sand the problem will go away and everyone will forget it happened.For the record, I am not Patsfoxboro.Nothing worse than a loser who pretends to be a fan of another team just to cause trouble. Do you hear me Darth Cheney?
Kit Fisto
Footballguy
Besides the ridiculous posts, this right here should have been your biggest red flag that PatsFoxboro was an alias.Foxboro is not even comparable to South Boston.
And you don't call it South Boston either. Dude watched the Departed and Mystic River a couple times and thought of himself as clever.
Das Boot
Footballguy
7. I think Merril Hoge left no question where he stood recently when he was asked on 1070 The Fan in Indianapolis what the penalty should be if the Patriots are found to have videotaped the Rams walkthrough practice the day before the Super Bowl seven years ago.
"If there is evidence of taping of the Rams' Saturday walkthrough,'' Hoge told hosts Eddie White and Bob Kravitz, "it's as gross as you could possibly imagine. It is equivalent to steroids in the Olympics? Yes. If it's proven, they have to surrender that Vince Lombardi Trophy for that game, and those rings.''
I'll say it again: I don't think there's a tape. But if there is, Hoge's stark words echo a few that I've heard around the league, particularly two weekends ago at the Scouting Combine, which has turned into a major NFL convention.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/writ...leveland/4.html
"If there is evidence of taping of the Rams' Saturday walkthrough,'' Hoge told hosts Eddie White and Bob Kravitz, "it's as gross as you could possibly imagine. It is equivalent to steroids in the Olympics? Yes. If it's proven, they have to surrender that Vince Lombardi Trophy for that game, and those rings.''
I'll say it again: I don't think there's a tape. But if there is, Hoge's stark words echo a few that I've heard around the league, particularly two weekends ago at the Scouting Combine, which has turned into a major NFL convention.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/writ...leveland/4.html
BigSteelThrill
Footballguy
Brace yourself for the attacks on the messenger response.
Bossman
Footballguy
Nothing worse than a fan of a cheating team who pretends that nothing ever happened and just hopes by sticking his head in the sand the problem will go away and everyone will forget it happened.For the record, I am not Patsfoxboro.There is a God.Thank you Clayton.
Hey Dman30, how does it feel to have less credibility than Belichick?
Besides the ridiculous posts, this right here should have been your biggest red flag that PatsFoxboro was an alias.Foxboro is not even comparable to South Boston.
nothing better than ousting an alias...DMan30... you're a tool.
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Footballguy
fatness
Footballguy
Are you suggesting that this thread be destroyed (so it doesn't fall into the wrong hands, you know)?
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