Geno Smith Punched By Teammate out 6-10wks (1 Viewer)

[FinHead]

Lol, Jetsian

http://m.bleacherreport.com/articles/2545232-somehow-the-new-york-jets-have-found-a-way-to-get-even-more-jetsian

 

[jvdesigns2002]

I'm sure this has been mentioned but TMZ is reporting that the altercation was about Geno not attending the dude's charity event.

 

[JamesTheScot]

Wow.

So was his charity for kids having anger control issues?

 

[JamesTheScot]

Knowing Geno's accuracy issues, he may of very well been trying to actually point at someone else.

Okay, that one was funny.

Yep. Best post of the thread.

 

[GroveDiesel]

I'm sure this has been mentioned but TMZ is reporting that the altercation was about Geno not attending the dude's charity event.

From comments on Twitter, sounds like someone Geno was close to died and he no-showed the charity event because of that. Dude gets mad about the $600 spent on airfare for Geno and confronts him, Geno tells him he doesn't want to discuss it right then and there and starts to walk away and the guy punches him in the face.

 

[RUSF18]

I'm sure this has been mentioned but TMZ is reporting that the altercation was about Geno not attending the dude's charity event.

From comments on Twitter, sounds like someone Geno was close to died and he no-showed the charity event because of that. Dude gets mad about the $600 spent on airfare for Geno and confronts him, Geno tells him he doesn't want to discuss it right then and there and starts to walk away and the guy punches him in the face.

Until I hear who the source is, I'm a bit skeptical of a story that puts the in house guy entirely in a good light and makes the departed guy the #######. The fact that the story got leaked with the details of the friend dying tells you how the story was meant to be taken.

 

[Tool]

From the twitters: Sources say Geno Smith threw the first punch but it was a couple yards short.

I am going to be out of likes so fast...

MUST CONSERVE LIKESS

Really not that funny.

 

[bagger]

From the twitters: Sources say Geno Smith threw the first punch but it was a couple yards short.

I am going to be out of likes so fast...MUST CONSERVE LIKESS

Really not that funny.

O RLY

 

[mikmak8902]

"It's a lack of leadership on Geno Smith's part that he would put himself in harms way to get sucker punched" Cris Carter on @SportsCenter

Looooooooooooollllllllll come on, Cris

I agree with his statement. No way your starting QB should ever be in this situation.

I don't know how someone can possibly say that without knowing exactly how things went down. Awfully bold move to blame the victim without knowing the circumstances, especially when the team's coach referred to it as a sucker punch.

Yes ... very bold. In my experience, people don't get knocked out without reason. When is the last time you heard of a veteran QB getting punched by a teammate? I feeling pretty comfortable with my stance here. The number of scenarios where I'm right greatly out weigh the number of scenarios where I'm wrong. I'll take those odds.

So I assume you would agree that Roger Staubach was a poor leader that deserved to be punched in the face?

Yup ... that's it. I'm having some fun with this but go ahead and burst my bubble and tell me this story about how Roger Staubach got decked.

 

[bulger2holt]

He just lost millions over the course of his career over $600.00? How are people this stupid?

 

[jvdesigns2002]

I'm sure this has been mentioned but TMZ is reporting that the altercation was about Geno not attending the dude's charity event.

From comments on Twitter, sounds like someone Geno was close to died and he no-showed the charity event because of that. Dude gets mad about the $600 spent on airfare for Geno and confronts him, Geno tells him he doesn't want to discuss it right then and there and starts to walk away and the guy punches him in the face.

The TMZ report that I read didn't go that far into detail so thank you for breaking it down further.

 

[mr roboto]

So week 1 the AFC East starting QBs will be Garappolo, Fitzpatrick, Tannehill and McCoy?

 

[GroveDiesel]

"It's a lack of leadership on Geno Smith's part that he would put himself in harms way to get sucker punched" Cris Carter on @SportsCenter

Looooooooooooollllllllll come on, Cris

I agree with his statement. No way your starting QB should ever be in this situation.

I don't know how someone can possibly say that without knowing exactly how things went down. Awfully bold move to blame the victim without knowing the circumstances, especially when the team's coach referred to it as a sucker punch.

Yes ... very bold. In my experience, people don't get knocked out without reason. When is the last time you heard of a veteran QB getting punched by a teammate? I feeling pretty comfortable with my stance here. The number of scenarios where I'm right greatly out weigh the number of scenarios where I'm wrong. I'll take those odds.

So I assume you would agree that Roger Staubach was a poor leader that deserved to be punched in the face?

Yup ... that's it. I'm having some fun with this but go ahead and burst my bubble and tell me this story about how Roger Staubach got decked.

In 1976, Clint Longley sucker punched Staubach. Gil Brandt immediately traded Longley for a first round pick that ended up being the #2 overall that the Cowboys used on Tony Dorsett.

 

[rockaction]

So week 1 the AFC East starting QBs will be Garappolo, Fitzpatrick, Tannehill and McCoy?

And it'll still be one of the best divisions in football, strangely.

 

[rockaction]

That's it. I'm having some fun with this but go ahead and burst my bubble and tell me this story about how Roger Staubach got decked.

In 1976, Clint Longley sucker punched Staubach. Gil Brandt immediately traded Longley for a first round pick that ended up being the #2 overall that the Cowboys used on Tony Dorsett.

Sort of a debate-winner there.

 

[Run It Up]

So week 1 the AFC East starting QBs will be Garappolo, Fitzpatrick, Tannehill and McCoy?

And it'll still be one of the best divisions in football, strangely.

The AFC east defenses are going to be murderizing these QBs, its gonna be a bloodbath.

 

[The General]

He just lost millions over the course of his career over $600.00? How are people this stupid?

He does run into things for a living.

 

[mikmak8902]

1. I can't think of any context where someone pointing their finger in my face wouldn't be disrespectful other than to point out my fantastic complexion.

2. OK ... so walk into a bar some time and start pointing your finger in people's faces and berating them and see what happens.

1) Well, if you are a sixth round knucklehead LB who is mouthing off (perhaps actually being disrespectful) then maybe you deserve to have someone get in your face and tell you to ####.

2) Who cares? There are tons of idiots in the world who think violence is the appropriate response to anything short of complete deference.

Hmmmmm ... I think we are venturing toward an area where we are arguing the same point.

1. Geno is an idiot ... check.

2. LB in question (no I'm not going to waste the time to commit his name to memory) is an idiot ... check.

3. Anyone who would randomly knock someone else out without reason or provocation is an idiot ... check.

I think the only thing we have to tidy up is the fact that only one of us thinks you shouldn't be surprised that you got laid out when you were in a heated argument pointing your finger in someone else's face. Not saying it's right in all scenarios ... just saying you shouldn't be surprised.

Responding to non-violence with violence is seldom right in any scenario. And yeah, you're pretty much defending it. Do you just not like Geno?

In my experience the people who demand respect the loudest deserve it the least.

I absolutely am not defending it and you show me one sentence I typed here that says I am. You just seem hell bent on making it look like I am.

You do realize you just quoted me saying "Not saying it's right in all scenarios" to correctly state it's "seldom right in any scenario". OK ... so that was important to get our percentages correct. Got it.

I think he's an idiot for punching Smith. I believe I just said that in the post you just replied to telling me I'm defending him. I also think Smith is an idiot for allowing this to escalate to this point and by the sounds of it, he helped it along by acting in an aggressive manner with this guy.

Listen, if you want to debate with me that's fine but don't lecture me about right and wrong while you're twisting my words to create an argument that simply isn't there.

 

[mikmak8902]

I'm sure this has been mentioned but TMZ is reporting that the altercation was about Geno not attending the dude's charity event.

From comments on Twitter, sounds like someone Geno was close to died and he no-showed the charity event because of that. Dude gets mad about the $600 spent on airfare for Geno and confronts him, Geno tells him he doesn't want to discuss it right then and there and starts to walk away and the guy punches him in the face.

I have read the reports about the reason why Geno no-showed. I wonder if he gave this guy a heads up. Still no reason alone to throw that punch but I'm betting there was more to the exchange than just "hey, let's not talk about this here".

 

[NJ]

I'm sure this has been mentioned but TMZ is reporting that the altercation was about Geno not attending the dude's charity event.

From comments on Twitter, sounds like someone Geno was close to died and he no-showed the charity event because of that. Dude gets mad about the $600 spent on airfare for Geno and confronts him, Geno tells him he doesn't want to discuss it right then and there and starts to walk away and the guy punches him in the face.

Until I hear who the source is, I'm a bit skeptical of a story that puts the in house guy entirely in a good light and makes the departed guy the #######. The fact that the story got leaked with the details of the friend dying tells you how the story was meant to be taken.

FWIW, Ian Rapoport told the story slightly different on NFL Network. First off he didn't mention anyone who died, he said that his brother was in an accident, I think he said he had broken ribs and and a broken arm, fair enough, still good reason to not be able to show up to a charity event. But he said that Geno never called, they didn't know he wasn't coming until he didn't show up at the airport. Even still IK told him no problem, just pay me the $600 I laid out and Geno agreed he would pay him when they saw each other at the start of training camp. 2 weeks later, he still hadn't paid, IK confronted him about it, Geno stuck his finger in IK's face and then the punch got thrown.

 

[PatsWillWin]

Geno is supposed to be the leader of that team. He shouldn't be owing anybody money.

Without knowing more that locker room doesn't respect him if somebody was comfortable enough to throw a punch at him. Crazy story.

This.

The fact that Enemkawhatever walked out of the facility under his own power is a pretty clear sign that the team doesn't value Geno. If this was Brady, the puncher would be on a stretcher. All the bull#### unnecessary roughness penalties that Willie Colon takes and he lets a borderline guy suckerpunch his starting QB? Give me a freaking break.

Yeah that's the right answer - more assault and battery!

FWIW, no teammate would ever hit Tom Brady (or 90% of starting QB's in this league) in the face.

 

[cockroach]

"It's a lack of leadership on Geno Smith's part that he would put himself in harms way to get sucker punched" Cris Carter on @SportsCenter

Looooooooooooollllllllll come on, Cris

I agree with his statement. No way your starting QB should ever be in this situation.

I don't know how someone can possibly say that without knowing exactly how things went down. Awfully bold move to blame the victim without knowing the circumstances, especially when the team's coach referred to it as a sucker punch.

Yes ... very bold. In my experience, people don't get knocked out without reason. When is the last time you heard of a veteran QB getting punched by a teammate? I feeling pretty comfortable with my stance here. The number of scenarios where I'm right greatly out weigh the number of scenarios where I'm wrong. I'll take those odds.

So I assume you would agree that Roger Staubach was a poor leader that deserved to be punched in the face?

Yup ... that's it. I'm having some fun with this but go ahead and burst my bubble and tell me this story about how Roger Staubach got decked.

In 1976, Clint Longley sucker punched Staubach. Gil Brandt immediately traded Longley for a first round pick that ended up being the #2 overall that the Cowboys used on Tony Dorsett.

boom! suck on that knuckle sandwich

 

[PatsWillWin]

I'm sure this has been mentioned but TMZ is reporting that the altercation was about Geno not attending the dude's charity event.

6th round pick offensive lineman have charity events?

 

[mikmak8902]

That's it. I'm having some fun with this but go ahead and burst my bubble and tell me this story about how Roger Staubach got decked.

In 1976, Clint Longley sucker punched Staubach. Gil Brandt immediately traded Longley for a first round pick that ended up being the #2 overall that the Cowboys used on Tony Dorsett.

Sort of a debate-winner there.

See ... Staubach knew what he was doing. They got a #2 overall pick out of it and Tony Dorsett. The Dodger knows.

In all seriousness, the situation seems to be a bit different:

The infamous “sucker punch,” as most former Cowboys refer to it, occurred two days after Longley and Staubach had fought over a derogatory remark Longley made about receiver Drew Pearson.

Staubach eventually said he’d “knock those Bugs Bunny teeth” out of Longley’s mouth, and Longley was up the challenge.

Roger was defending a teammate but I have to agree, he did not exactly "diffuse" the situation here. You win.

 

[Evilgrin 72]

So week 1 the AFC East starting QBs will be Garappolo, Fitzpatrick, Tannehill and McCoy? Cassel, Manuel, or Taylor.

The Browns are in the North, Bills in the East.

 

[Evilgrin 72]

Any word on whether or not the dude yelled "Worldstar!" as he knocked Geno out?

 

[Somebody]

Idiotic move by the LB to sucker-punch Smith, but IMO this also says a lot about Smith if the reason is true. It's been a long time since that football camp and he supposedly agreed to pay him the money back. If he did agree to pay the money back, he should have given him the money a while ago. Smith has always come across as an ####### and if this is true it only reinforces that.

 

[MaxThreshold]

WOW. How big of an anger problem would you have to have to just end your own career like that? Nobody is signing that ####### guy.

If he's good people will sign him. Tom Cable the hawks Oline coach busted another coaches jaw and he's coaching the best team in all of football.

He's a coach for the Green Bay Packers? I don't see him listed anywhere.

Good to have you back, though. For a minute there I thought you would run and hide forever.

 

[TripItUp]

Vegas just increased over/under for Jets wins by 1.5 games...

In other news, Jets receivers now draftable.

 

[SIDA!]

From the twitters: Sources say Geno Smith threw the first punch but it was a couple yards short.

I am going to be out of likes so fast...

MUST CONSERVE LIKESS

Really not that funny.

Okay, Tool.

 

[ScottNorwood]

:generic accuracy joke:

 

[mr roboto]

So week 1 the AFC East starting QBs will be Garappolo, Fitzpatrick, Tannehill and McCoy? Cassel, Manuel, or Taylor.

The Browns are in the North, Bills in the East.

Uh...

 

[fantasycurse42]

It was never my intention to harm anyone.

IKWow, imagine he actually DID try to harm someone.

 

[DropKick]

"J" "E" "S" "T"

 

[Evilgrin 72]

So week 1 the AFC East starting QBs will be Garappolo, Fitzpatrick, Tannehill and McCoy? Cassel, Manuel, or Taylor.

The Browns are in the North, Bills in the East.

Uh...

Sorry, misread that as McCown.

 

[Pipes]

I'm sure this has been mentioned but TMZ is reporting that the altercation was about Geno not attending the dude's charity event.

6th round pick offensive lineman have charity events?

Why not? It was a youth football camp in a place called Pfluggerville. Probably not a lot of NFL talent from there.

 

[Godsbrother]

I'm sure this has been mentioned but TMZ is reporting that the altercation was about Geno not attending the dude's charity event.

6th round pick offensive lineman have charity events?

Why not? Sounded like an event for area kids. For a lot of kids a chance to meet any level NFL is kind of a big deal.

Agreed and what a fine role model he is.

 

[Pipes]

I'm sure this has been mentioned but TMZ is reporting that the altercation was about Geno not attending the dude's charity event.

6th round pick offensive lineman have charity events?

Why not? Sounded like an event for area kids. For a lot of kids a chance to meet any level NFL is kind of a big deal.

Agreed and what a fine role model he is.

Yeah it's obviously his last football camp. What an idiot.

 

[Mister CIA]

"It's a lack of leadership on Geno Smith's part that he would put himself in harms way to get sucker punched" Cris Carter on @SportsCenter

Looooooooooooollllllllll come on, Cris

I agree with his statement. No way your starting QB should ever be in this situation.

I don't know how someone can possibly say that without knowing exactly how things went down. Awfully bold move to blame the victim without knowing the circumstances, especially when the team's coach referred to it as a sucker punch.

Yes ... very bold. In my experience, people don't get knocked out without reason. When is the last time you heard of a veteran QB getting punched by a teammate? I feeling pretty comfortable with my stance here. The number of scenarios where I'm right greatly out weigh the number of scenarios where I'm wrong. I'll take those odds.

So I assume you would agree that Roger Staubach was a poor leader that deserved to be punched in the face?

Yup ... that's it. I'm having some fun with this but go ahead and burst my bubble and tell me this story about how Roger Staubach got decked.

In 1976, Clint Longley sucker punched Staubach. Gil Brandt immediately traded Longley for a first round pick that ended up being the #2 overall that the Cowboys used on Tony Dorsett.

Clint who?

 

[Evilgrin 72]

"It's a lack of leadership on Geno Smith's part that he would put himself in harms way to get sucker punched" Cris Carter on @SportsCenter

Looooooooooooollllllllll come on, Cris

I agree with his statement. No way your starting QB should ever be in this situation.

I don't know how someone can possibly say that without knowing exactly how things went down. Awfully bold move to blame the victim without knowing the circumstances, especially when the team's coach referred to it as a sucker punch.

Yes ... very bold. In my experience, people don't get knocked out without reason. When is the last time you heard of a veteran QB getting punched by a teammate? I feeling pretty comfortable with my stance here. The number of scenarios where I'm right greatly out weigh the number of scenarios where I'm wrong. I'll take those odds.

So I assume you would agree that Roger Staubach was a poor leader that deserved to be punched in the face?

Yup ... that's it. I'm having some fun with this but go ahead and burst my bubble and tell me this story about how Roger Staubach got decked.

In 1976, Clint Longley sucker punched Staubach. Gil Brandt immediately traded Longley for a first round pick that ended up being the #2 overall that the Cowboys used on Tony Dorsett.

Clint who?

DEMPSEY

Jesus, can't you read?

 

[PatsWillWin]

It was never my intention to harm anyone.

IKWow, imagine he actually DID try to harm someone.

When you punch someone in the face, I wonder what goal you could be out for, other than to harm someone.

 

[JetMaxx]

He just lost millions over the course of his career over $600.00? How are people this stupid?

Perhaps the most insightfully deficient post in this thread and that is saying something.

 

[seahawk 17]

Multiple NFL players have said today, if Geno was respected this would have been stopped right away.

 

[Madden Curse]

The only thing that would exonerate Geno would be if the LB was an unhinged maniac and attacked Geno before anyone knew what was happening. (And of course the question would then be why coaches allowed a total nut to join the team.)

For Geno to aggravate a teammate to the point where it publicly escalates to violence in front of the rest of the team shows poor leadership and a lack of teammates' respect for Geno. A leader knows how to defuse anger and get people to work together, and if team members respected a teammate they would rush to their defense and break up an altercation before it worsened.

Bowles must be fuming about this, but he must also have known about Geno's character when he took the job. I guess he thought he could correct the character issues faster than this.

 

[BustedKnuckles]

"It's a lack of leadership on Geno Smith's part that he would put himself in harms way to get sucker punched" Cris Carter on @SportsCenter

Looooooooooooollllllllll come on, Cris

I agree with his statement. No way your starting QB should ever be in this situation.

I don't know how someone can possibly say that without knowing exactly how things went down. Awfully bold move to blame the victim without knowing the circumstances, especially when the team's coach referred to it as a sucker punch.

Yes ... very bold. In my experience, people don't get knocked out without reason. When is the last time you heard of a veteran QB getting punched by a teammate? I feeling pretty comfortable with my stance here. The number of scenarios where I'm right greatly out weigh the number of scenarios where I'm wrong. I'll take those odds.

So I assume you would agree that Roger Staubach was a poor leader that deserved to be punched in the face?

Yup ... that's it. I'm having some fun with this but go ahead and burst my bubble and tell me this story about how Roger Staubach got decked.

this wasnt someone playing the knock out game?

 

[Dr. Octopus]

The only thing that would exonerate Geno would be if the LB was an unhinged maniac and attacked Geno before anyone knew what was happening. (And of course the question would then be why coaches allowed a total nut to join the team.)

For Geno to aggravate a teammate to the point where it publicly escalates to violence in front of the rest of the team shows poor leadership and a lack of teammates' respect for Geno. A leader knows how to defuse anger and get people to work together, and if team members respected a teammate they would rush to their defense and break up an altercation before it worsened.

Bowles must be fuming about this, but he must also have known about Geno's character when he took the job. I guess he thought he could correct the character issues faster than this.

Bowles realizes this now, which is why he has basically said that Geno will not be the starting QB when he comes back (without saying those exact words).

I think the new regime had little choice but to give Geno one more chance before moving on, but never really felt comfortable about that situation. Now they will go with the journeyman and hope to build some success on the field while grooming a young talent and kicking the can down the road a bit on the future at the position.

 

[Rubi]

Since he is now referred to as "the linebacker",do you think the Jets vote "the linebacker" as their MVP after Fitzpatrick leads them into the playoffs?

 

[Chaka]

I absolutely am not defending it and you show me one sentence I typed here that says I am. You just seem hell bent on making it look like I am.

You do realize you just quoted me saying "Not saying it's right in all scenarios" to correctly state it's "seldom right in any scenario". OK ... so that was important to get our percentages correct. Got it.

I think he's an idiot for punching Smith. I believe I just said that in the post you just replied to telling me I'm defending him. I also think Smith is an idiot for allowing this to escalate to this point and by the sounds of it, he helped it along by acting in an aggressive manner with this guy.

Listen, if you want to debate with me that's fine but don't lecture me about right and wrong while you're twisting my words to create an argument that simply isn't there.

I appreciate the clarification that you were not defending the linebacker and I recognize that you have called him an idiot several times in this thread. However what you intend and what you are saying don't always align in a web forum format.

When you say things like what I quoted below (and excuse me for pulling snippets and not the whole posts but that would just make this far too long, I don't believe that I removed any important context) it comes off as victim blaming and that doesn't sit very well with me (obviously).

Also, just so you know, I am well aware that no one in the history of the internet has ever won or lost a debate. So it is not my intent in any discussion to accomplish that.

That's one guy being bold enough to invade another guy's personal space in a disrespectful manner and getting put to sleep.

Geno was probably being a tool and got lit up.

If you don't want to get knocked out, stop mouthing off and getting into altercations with your teammates. Be a leader and learn how to diffuse situations like this as apposed to making them worse.

I don't know where you grew up but I learned at a very young age that a finger pointed in someone's face is loosely translated to "please knock me the ##### out".

In all seriousness, that's not what I expect out of my starting QB.

1. What's he doing in a "childish" argument with a teammate?

2. Why is he making said childish argument worse by demeaning said teammate instead of trying to diffuse the situation like a true leader would do?

In my experience, people don't get knocked out without reason.

I think the only thing we have to tidy up is the fact that only one of us thinks you shouldn't be surprised that you got laid out when you were in a heated argument pointing your finger in someone else's face. Not saying it's right in all scenarios ... just saying you shouldn't be surprised.

These quotes (and posts by many others in this thread) suggests that, with the facts we had at the time (Geno put his finger close to the LBs face), that it was Geno's fault for getting punched. That is victim blaming, plain and simple.

The simple truth is that putting your finger in someone's face is a non-violent action and a violent response is always inappropriate*. Sorry but you don't get to punch people just because they piss you off and, again with the facts we had at the time, that is exactly what the LB did. You don't get to do it over money, or if someone slept with your girlfriend or any other situation* where someone was non-violent towards you.

*I admit that I have not considered every single possible scenario but I am hard pressed to come up with a situation where someone putting their finger in my face would mandate me punching that person in the face. I can see wanting to do it but I can't see a situation where it would be the appropriate response.

 

[Chaka]

The only thing that would exonerate Geno would be if the LB was an unhinged maniac and attacked Geno before anyone knew what was happening. (And of course the question would then be why coaches allowed a total nut to join the team.)

For Geno to aggravate a teammate to the point where it publicly escalates to violence in front of the rest of the team shows poor leadership and a lack of teammates' respect for Geno. A leader knows how to defuse anger and get people to work together, and if team members respected a teammate they would rush to their defense and break up an altercation before it worsened.

Bowles must be fuming about this, but he must also have known about Geno's character when he took the job. I guess he thought he could correct the character issues faster than this.

Bowles realizes this now, which is why he has basically said that Geno will not be the starting QB when he comes back (without saying those exact words).

I think the new regime had little choice but to give Geno one more chance before moving on, but never really felt comfortable about that situation. Now they will go with the journeyman and hope to build some success on the field while grooming a young talent and kicking the can down the road a bit on the future at the position.

Yeah it definitely looks like Geno has lost the team and won't be a Jet by the start beginning of next off season.

 

[rockaction]

I absolutely am not defending it and you show me one sentence I typed here that says I am. You just seem hell bent on making it look like I am.

You do realize you just quoted me saying "Not saying it's right in all scenarios" to correctly state it's "seldom right in any scenario". OK ... so that was important to get our percentages correct. Got it.

I think he's an idiot for punching Smith. I believe I just said that in the post you just replied to telling me I'm defending him. I also think Smith is an idiot for allowing this to escalate to this point and by the sounds of it, he helped it along by acting in an aggressive manner with this guy.

Listen, if you want to debate with me that's fine but don't lecture me about right and wrong while you're twisting my words to create an argument that simply isn't there.

I appreciate the clarification that you were not defending the linebacker and I recognize that you have called him an idiot several times in this thread. However what you intend and what you are saying don't always align in a web forum format.

When you say things like what I quoted below (and excuse me for pulling snippets and not the whole posts but that would just make this far too long, I don't believe that I removed any important context) it comes off as victim blaming and that doesn't sit very well with me (obviously).

Also, just so you know, I am well aware that no one in the history of the internet has ever won or lost a debate. So it is not my intent in any discussion to accomplish that.

That's one guy being bold enough to invade another guy's personal space in a disrespectful manner and getting put to sleep.

Geno was probably being a tool and got lit up.

If you don't want to get knocked out, stop mouthing off and getting into altercations with your teammates. Be a leader and learn how to diffuse situations like this as apposed to making them worse.

I don't know where you grew up but I learned at a very young age that a finger pointed in someone's face is loosely translated to "please knock me the ##### out".

In all seriousness, that's not what I expect out of my starting QB.

1. What's he doing in a "childish" argument with a teammate?

2. Why is he making said childish argument worse by demeaning said teammate instead of trying to diffuse the situation like a true leader would do?

In my experience, people don't get knocked out without reason.

I think the only thing we have to tidy up is the fact that only one of us thinks you shouldn't be surprised that you got laid out when you were in a heated argument pointing your finger in someone else's face. Not saying it's right in all scenarios ... just saying you shouldn't be surprised.

These quotes (and posts by many others in this thread) suggests that, with the facts we had at the time (Geno put his finger close to the LBs face), that it was Geno's fault for getting punched. That is victim blaming, plain and simple.

The simple truth is that putting your finger in someone's face is a non-violent action and a violent response is always inappropriate*. Sorry but you don't get to punch people just because they piss you off and, again with the facts we had at the time, that is exactly what the LB did. You don't get to do it over money, or if someone slept with your girlfriend or any other situation* where someone was non-violent towards you.

*I admit that I have not considered every single possible scenario but I am hard pressed to come up with a situation where someone putting their finger in my face would mandate me punching that person in the face. I can see wanting to do it but I can't see a situation where it would be the appropriate response.

Somebody ####s my girlfriend and wags their finger in my face, and I'm probably not knocking them out, but I sure can see the response as justified. Because the only thing keeping me from it is the criminal justice system, which can certainly be amended a bit.

eta* Heck, there's a whole area of criminal law where if somebody's ####### your wife and you kill them, it was (at least up until recently) once considered justified. I forget the doctrine.