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Vaccines not mandatory. We've been asked to inform the company once we are vaccinated. But it's all voluntary/honor system.Leeroy Jenkins said:
Because the vaccines are not 100 percent. None of them have said they were.
Think of it in terms of PPE. You have a choice between the mask PPE and the vaccination PPE. That really doesn't seem like an unreasonable thing for a company to ask.
To repeat what I said, you don't think its unreasonable for unvaccinated people to wear masks for the rest of their lives?
Probably until some time in 2022, depending on the region and time of year. Also could depend on percentage of vaccination in your company, office, and/or location.
At work? No, not at all. I don't see it any different than wearing a hard hat, safety glasses, or a shoe with a steel toe. I wouldn't push any of that that on someone in their personal life, but it's reasonable for working a job.
If you are vaxxed you have absolutely nothing to worry about. An article came out a day or so ago that doctors are saying its near universal that everyone currently being hospitalized with COVID are unvaccinated.
That really is not relevant to this thread or my question(s). Debate this stuff elsewhere.
Because an individual's comfort level is not relevant to the policy I am seeking information about. Reasonable accommodations are another topic.
The people working in our clean room at work don't seem to mind that they've been wearing masks at work for decades.
Yeah, but you're also not supposed to ask if a person is vaccinated. So the company has some defense there, if they don't know.
I don't know that a policy of "the honor system" is a defensible one. A company can require vaccination or proof of vaccination under the EEOC's latest guidance. Under HIPPA, that information is protected and limited to certain people within the company.
And if people who are unvaccinated are at work without a mask it puts themselves and other unvaccinated workers at risk. The company has an interest in keeping its workers healthy and productive, so I can see why they would want unvaccinated employees to wear masks for the time being.
Logically, I agree with you.
Herd immunity does not mean 100% of Covid is eliminated so these two statements are conflicting.
I think the proper phrasing is no longer a public health risk and/or pandemic. When community spread has been limited, then we are in a different place. It is probably something we don't know until we are already through it really. Given vaccination in some states here and worldwide, it could be another year of heightened spread and risk for the unvaccinated and immuno-compromised.
I get every state is different but what do you consider limited community spread? The case positivity rate in NY is 0.4%
Very well as far as I can tell. I’m not aware of anyone breaking the rules and I think everyone is complying for the most part. Our gym and cafeteria are closed, there are limitations regarding in person meetings, and work stations have been modified, so it’s not like folks are spending lots of time together in groups within close proximity. (Also, I have an office so I’m really not close to people much at all.)
I pray to be allowed to wfh permanently, I'll even settle for a couple days a week. I would love permanently wfh with the understanding of going in for test support etc
Yes. Upload card into HR system. Healthcare software. We sell to hospitals. 600 employees. $170 millionLeeroy Jenkins said:
Hopefully we never ask this country to have to make hard sacrifices for each other. I don't think we have it in us.
This is spot on. If a bunch of people at work are unvaccinated and end up getting really sick -- or even dying -- that's on them. Since I'm vaccinated, the odds are low that I'll get infected, extremely low that I would even have symptoms, and ridiculously low that anything serious would happen. I'm far more likely to die driving to work or driving to the airport for a flight. And again, if the unvaccinated folks at work get really sick, that #### is on them at this point.
It’s also on the company as employees getting sick and/or dying increases health care costs for the company, undermines productivity and efficiency, increases recruiting, onboarding and training costs, hurts employee morale, etc.
You forgot the positives...You cull the un-educated from your work force without the threat of wrong termination lawsuits.
Not to mention the fact that some people are unable to receive the vaccine due to medical reasons. Arguing that “it’s on them” as an objection to an employer putting workplace precautions into place to protect them doesn’t really apply with respect to those employees.
There is the rub. You have to treat all in vaccinated people the same. So if I can't get a vaccine I should be afforded protections around other unvaccinated people. The anti people saying why do you care if I wear a mask if you are vaccinated. I don't, it's the others
This is exactly where we are. Through this whole thing we managed not to infect ourselves (a number of our positions are folks that must be on site).
We opened our gym back up. With the above I don't see a reason to keep the gym closed.
I'm guessing that WFH has an expiration date associated with it...or will sometime soon.
So you think if someone chooses to not vaccinate for covid they should lose their livelihood?
There are exceptions, but if you charted IQ vs. vaccination status you would find a strong correlation. In our office the only people who haven't been vaccinated are those with no college.
Absolutely. Unless for medical reasons including pregnant women.
