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Gorilla Rescues Toddler at Zoo, Gorilla Euthanized (3 Viewers)

fantasycurse42 said:
I don't know what there is to say. They had to kill the gorilla, it isn't the 3 year olds fault that his parents are irresponsible morons. The zoo should also make it impossible to get into the enclosure. Whole thing is sad, parents are most liable, zoo needs to adjust and make sure it isn't difficult, but impossible for it to happen again.

If the parents file a frivolous lawsuit, I hope them and the attorney representing them are eaten by crocodiles.
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If they file a lawsuit, I'm flying to Cincy just to punch them in the cooter. 

 
fantasycurse42 said:
I don't know what there is to say. They had to kill the gorilla, it isn't the 3 year olds fault that his parents are irresponsible morons. The zoo should also make it impossible to get into the enclosure. Whole thing is sad, parents are most liable, zoo needs to adjust and make sure it isn't difficult, but impossible for it to happen again.

If the parents file a frivolous lawsuit, I hope them and the attorney representing them are eaten by crocodiles.
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Every parent who loses a kid says they just took their eye off the kid for just a second.  Its one of the biggest lies out there and we shouldn't let them get away with it.  No believes they took their eyes off the kid JUST ONE TIME for JUST ONE SECOND.  Truth of the matter is usually the opposite, they pretty much don't watch the kid at all.  If you watch your kid then you should be watching them like a hawk at the gorilla exhibit especially when the kid says he wants to play with the gorillas and there are big holes in the gate he can climb through.

 
Sinn Fein said:
I don't know TIm.  I hear what you are saying about kids being kids sometimes.  But, you should know the propensity of your kid to do something like try to get in a Gorilla exhibit.  The more of a daredevil you have, the more you need to keep him (her) under constant surveillance.
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Do you recall there being any railing with large holes, or trap doors near the Gorilla exhibit?  I haven't even seen a picture of the area yet.

 
Porkchop Express said:
As soon as there is an end to poaching and habitat destruction there will be much less of a need for zoos, but since that isnt gonna happen sometimes the only way we can ensure the survival of these species is to keep them in zoos.
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The zoos need to reevaluate their enclosures. Plexiglass, and plenty of it.

 
parasaurolophus said:
I hate this mentality. Parents just need to watch their kids. It really isn't that hard. 
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When we became grandparents one of the first things we did was to baby proof our house.  It is an on-going process as they get older and have the capability to get into more stuff that could be dangerous.   I don't think asking a zoo that has dangerous animals to do the same is unreasonable.  

Any exhibit that contains potentially deadly animals should be constructed in a way that is virtually impossible for a child to climb, crawl, or wander into.   This was obviously not the case here and the exhibit should be closed until that is done.

 
The world does not owe you or your kid a bubble to live in.  Its dangerous, and if you do something dumb, you might get hurt.

Is it reasonable to expect the zoo to anticipate that a kid is going to fall into a Gorilla exhibit?  It hadn't happened in the 40+ years the exhibit has been open.  So, whatever they were doing seems reasonable to me.

 
Sinn Fein said:
The world does not owe you or your kid a bubble to live in.  Its dangerous, and if you do something dumb, you might get hurt.

Is it reasonable to expect the zoo to anticipate that a kid is going to fall into a Gorilla exhibit?  It hadn't happened in the 40+ years the exhibit has been open.  So, whatever they were doing seems reasonable to me.
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And it's not even like he was in line for an ice cream and randomly fell into a gorilla pit. He declared his intention verbally to his mother just before it happened..."I WANT TO GO PLAY WITH THE ANIMALS" and then went to do just that.

And not getting enough attention are the morons screaming their heads off because I guess that's just what some people have to do when #### is going down? That didn't do anybody involved any favors and it looks a lot like the gorilla was actually protecting the kid from the dip#### mammals flipping out up above.

 
I'm not going to read the first 5 pages here, but if I know this place the way I think I do, probably a lot of animal nerds going bananas over a dead monkey.  Angry at the parents for looking away for a moment.  Angry at a 4 year old for being a 4 year old.  

If there is such sentiment in here, LOL at you animal nerds.  It's always strange and sad to me the way people value animal life above human life.  What happened is a tragedy and an accident, period.  But let's try and keep just a smidgen of perspective.  One animal died.  The world will continue to turn.

Carry on.

 
I wonder whether the gorilla had any exposure to gorilla young, and if so how he treated them.  Was this a gentle dominant male, or an aggressive one when around toddler-sized primates.  Do we know anything of the history of his temperament?

 
And by the way, if there is fault here, it's 100% on the zoo.  If a four year old child can crack your security, you probably need to rework your security.  TIA

 
Otis said:
I'm not going to read the first 5 pages here, but if I know this place the way I think I do, probably a lot of animal nerds going bananas over a dead monkey.  Angry at the parents for looking away for a moment.  Angry at a 4 year old for being a 4 year old.  

If there is such sentiment in here, LOL at you animal nerds.  It's always strange and sad to me the way people value animal life above human life.  What happened is a tragedy and an accident, period.  But let's try and keep just a smidgen of perspective.  One animal died.  The world will continue to turn.

Carry on.
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Ape, not a monkey.  Dr. Zaius would have your ###.

 
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Quez said:
Everyone is blaming the mother, but the zoo is responsible for this.  I just can't comprehend how there is anyway a toddler can get into any exhibit.  It's not like an 8yo who can climb a tree.  The entire zoo should be closed, and every square inch examined.
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Not sure if this has been said yet, but watched a local press conference on this yesterday and the zoo rep said the same barrier has worked for 38 years.  38 years!  Also, they get inspected on a regular basis by at least two government agencies and all of their barriers are up to snuff.  If someone decides they want to climb in though, they can do it.  The alternative (and I'm fearful this is the way it's going to go once the lawyers get their way) is to increase the difficulty to make it impossible for anyone to get in.  So, imagine barbed wire fences and such around all of the exhibits.  Will make for a beautiful zoo...  And, don't think it's only going to happen to this zoo.  It will happen everywhere.

All that being said, I'm not a huge fan of zoos in the first place.  I'd rather see a gorilla living free in the wild vs. locked up in a cage.  Though I understand that if it weren't for zoos, I'd never actually "see" a gorilla live.

 
TripItUp said:
There are only  hundreds of mountain gorillas left in the world and there are billions of humans.(that are destroying the earth)

Perhaps I'm bias because I've actually been to Uganda and spent time with the gorrilas in the wild, but the wrong decision was made here IMHO and it's not even close.
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I agree but even if the gorilla bred like the wanted it to there would have been only 1-2 more and all living in captivity. That is not going to save the gorilla population from poachers. 

As far as safety for visitors look at any Zoos safety record compared to amusement parks..it is superior.   Or attending a pro sporting event where the all the animals in the stands are not in an enclosed area.    

 
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HellToupee said:
Zoo was put in a no win situation, imagine if the gorilla killed the boy
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Yep.  Also this also is a prime example of the world being much worse off since the innernets. When people actually read about the story and think for a second, this really is a series of crappy events. Truly a #### happens. The zoo made a gut wrenching choice, but the only choice in a ####ty situation. The mom screwed up a bit, but every parent has done the exact same thing (lost track of their kid for an instant). The kid was being a kid and the gorilla was being a gorilla. If I'm throwing out Percentages of Blame I go: 15% Mom, 5% Zoo (took 40 years but the code did get broken) and 80% dumb random luck.

Reading any news comments or certainly the Zoo Facebook page it's truly the worst of the worst of humanity and "how do you tie your shoes in the morning" dumb people. Couple that with the true scum of the earth sociopaths (kill the mom! Kill the kid!! Kill the zookeepers!) and it's a real crap show.  Before the internet you could pretend these people didn't exist or certainly not so prevalent. Ignorance was bliss.  Oh, they're out there....lots of them....and you weep for humanity. Shut it down.

 
I was at a big BBQ yesterday.  When we add together all of the burgers, dogs, and drumsticks everyone ate yesterday it must add up to a few chickens, a couple pigs, and a good portion of a cow.  It was tasty.   I think we kill like 100k cows, 300k pigs, and almost 25 MILLION chickens a day to feed people in this country.   I understand we don't have a ton of gorillas left and I understand that some animals are cuter or more "personable" than others.  But seriously, they're animals.  Suggesting that we should let a child die before killing any animal for any reason, even if the child was responsible, is insane.

People get nuts about this stuff when a dog or cat is killed, a gorilla is shot, someone hunts a lion and posts a facebook picture.  It's so emotional and devoid of any kind of logic.  The number of animals we slaughter because they're tasty, every single day, is like an ocean to a dixie cup compared to the things that happen in these news stories.  I don't want animals to suffer needlessly, animal cruelty should be punished, we should steward what we've been given the best that we're able.  But taking a human life, any human life over an animal's life, any animals life is ridiculous.

And I don't know who is suggesting these parents get shot or lose their kids or whatever else but I'm guessing most of them don't have kids.  This exact thing happens to parents all over every single day.  Every day a kid gets lost at the mall or at the park or runs off in a store or accidentally tumbles down some stairs.  If you're a parent and you tell me you've never had that moment when you've spun around in a panic because you've lost your kid for a moment then I'll call you a liar. It happens to us all occasionally.  In this case the danger wasn't due to extra negligence it was due to the unfortunate circumstance of where they were.  It was an accident and could have happened to anyone.  And all this nonsense about being super careful because you're around deadly animals must, once again, be coming mostly from non-parents.  You don't walk around the zoo at super high alert because of the deadly animals.  You're at the zoo, millions of people walk around thousands of zoos a day without dying.  You have a much better chance of dying on the way in the car than being attacked by a gorilla or lion.  It's a completely illogical expectation.

This whole thing is nuts.  Poor family had a traumatic event that, thank God, did not turn tragic.  The poor zoo lost a very loved animal and valuable exhibit.  The poor animal had his life cut short but luckily doesn't appear to have suffered.  There are no winners but honestly this could have turned out so much worse.  The kid is safe and that's all that REALLY matters in this story.

 
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lombardi said:
 The kid is safe and that's all that REALLY matters in this story.
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Not everybody agrees with your conclusion here.

Why don't we just go ahead and kill all wild animals...since human life is "REALLY all that matters."

:rolleyes:

 
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They're going to remember this. After the plague has struck and we need their help to get the power back on, don't think they won't remind us about this incident. 

 
Rove! said:
The minute they made it way too easy for a stupid kid and irresponsible parents to create the situation, they were screwed...
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That 4 year old figured out a way into the gorilla exhibit that had alluded other 4-year olds for 38+ years and now you call him stupid?

 
parasaurolophus said:
I hate this mentality. Parents just need to watch their kids. It really isn't that hard. 
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I understand this and in principle agree with it.

Here is where it is flawed - you will never rid the world of irresponsible morons, never going to happen, not even close. It isn't a child's fault his parents are ####### idiots, at 3 years old you really have a limited concept on just about everything. 

Knowing this, these enclosures just need to be 100% moron-proof, unfortunately.

 
All of you blaming the parents if that was your kid I assume you would have asked the zoo not to harm the gorilla and found an alternate method to get your child?  Then you would have given the child to social services because of your ####ty parenting?  Come on. 

 
Ramblin Wreck said:
All of you blaming the parents if that was your kid I assume you would have asked the zoo not to harm the gorilla and found an alternate method to get your child?  Then you would have given the child to social services because of your ####ty parenting?  Come on. 
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Yes, my alternative would've been making sure my son wasn't in a gorilla cage :shrug:

 
What would the outcry be like if the kid had gotten into an alligator or snake enclosure and they killed one to save the kid?

 
Ramblin Wreck said:
All of you blaming the parents if that was your kid I assume you would have asked the zoo not to harm the gorilla and found an alternate method to get your child?  Then you would have given the child to social services because of your ####ty parenting?  Come on. 
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At the very least I'd admit that Im guilty of losing track of my kid long enough for him to climb into a gorilla enclosure.

 
Ignoramus said:
What would the outcry be like if the kid had gotten into an alligator or snake enclosure and they killed one to save the kid?
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Some, but much less. If your point is that the popularity of the animal plays an important part in the reaction, I think you're right. 

 
I don't know about some of you and where you live, but I live in a very large city, crowded streets, crowded roads with fast moving cars, and a lot of bad people around. I stop paying attention for more than 5-10 seconds, and the results could be catastrophic. 

I'd hope in a zoo (or 100's of other places) most parents would keep a similar mindset. 

Apparently some others do have a different mindset, oh they're just kids, I can't control everything. While that might be true to a degree, you can 100% prevent your kids from climbing into an animal enclosure, no excuse for that at all, zero/none. Anyone who can even try to defend these parents isn't even irresponsible, just of lower intelligence.  

 
Put me in the lower intelligence group then. I take a kid the same age to that same zoo and it would take my kid about 4 seconds of me looking down or messing with the baby to get in that gorilla area..or many other areas. TBH I'm scared to go right now and I'm not sure how it doesn't happen more.  

 
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