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[Oracle]

Re…DHA 12:15 all hands… verified that anybody that took deferred resignation would need to leave pretty much immediately, and the position/billet will be left unfilled. Also guaranteed payment through September 30 even though they/ everybody is currently under a CR through March. Unsure as to why they are comfortable saying that.

 

[Gally]

verified that anybody that took deferred resignation would need to leave pretty much immediately,

Everything in the email and what I have read seems to say it us up to the organization you are in and that you are to hand off responsibilities etc and that the leave date is up to your supervisors..........not you.

 

[Capella]

Not saying yesterday’s plane crash is because of people resigning or anything to do with either this administration or the prior one…but it’s an indication of things that we just take for granted in this country that may begin to show cracks in the system if 10-20% of the federal workforce quits or is reduced. I don’t think people have any idea how bad this could be.

 

[Oracle]

verified that anybody that took deferred resignation would need to leave pretty much immediately,

Everything in the email and what I have read seems to say it us up to the organization you are in and that you are to hand off responsibilities etc and that the leave date is up to your supervisors..........not you.

I was surprised by that as well. Maybe the guidance that is supposed to be put out tomorrow by SOD’s office will shed light on this (at least for DOD and any of their sub agencies).

 

[-OZ-]

I visited the local VA today, they seem to be doing alright.

Related- I’m feeling old, now that I need hearing aids due to hearing loss in high pitch range and tinnitus.

 

[Max Power]

[Non-DoD Source] Fork in the Road FAQs

We have received a number of questions regarding the deferred resignation program. Below are our top FAQs:

Q:​	Am I expected to work at my government job during the deferred resignation period?
A:​	No.
Q:​	Am I allowed to get a second job during the deferred resignation period?
A:​	Absolutely! We encourage you to find a job in the private sector as soon as you would like to do so. The way to greater American prosperity is encouraging people to move from lower productivity jobs in the public sector to higher productivity jobs in the private sector.
Q:​	Will I really get my full pay and benefits during the entire period through September 30, even if I get a second job?
A:​	Yes. You will also accrue further personal leave days, vacation days, etc. and be paid out for unused leave at your final resignation date.
Q:​	Can I take an extended vacation while on administrative leave?
A:​	You are most welcome stay at home and relax or to travel to your dream destination. Whatever you would like.

Reminder that the deferred resignation program is available until Thursday, February 6.

Additional FAQ’s and instructions on accepting deferred resignation can be found on the OPM website by navigating to “Fork” from the top menu.

 

[Sleestak]

PSA #1 for Fed here who are considering the buyout offer. Not intended to be political.

Breaking Down OPM’s ‘Fork in the Road’ Email to Federal Workers

Though the subject line borrows a phrase from Musk’s Twitter email, the federal government is not a private company, and its HR policies are arcane and legally binding.

www.lawfaremedia.org

 

[Sleestak]

I also recommend reading Robert Reich's substack "Some advice to federal workers". Not linking because Reich might be viewed by some here as too politically flavored, and I am trying to comply with Joe's wishes. Just trying to provide pertinent information that I personally found useful.

 

[CletiusMaximus]

[Non-DoD Source] Fork in the Road FAQs

We have received a number of questions regarding the deferred resignation program. Below are our top FAQs:

Q:​	Am I expected to work at my government job during the deferred resignation period?
A:​	No.
Q:​	Am I allowed to get a second job during the deferred resignation period?
A:​	Absolutely! We encourage you to find a job in the private sector as soon as you would like to do so. The way to greater American prosperity is encouraging people to move from lower productivity jobs in the public sector to higher productivity jobs in the private sector.
Q:​	Will I really get my full pay and benefits during the entire period through September 30, even if I get a second job?
A:​	Yes. You will also accrue further personal leave days, vacation days, etc. and be paid out for unused leave at your final resignation date.
Q:​	Can I take an extended vacation while on administrative leave?
A:​	You are most welcome stay at home and relax or to travel to your dream destination. Whatever you would like.

Reminder that the deferred resignation program is available until Thursday, February 6.

Additional FAQ’s and instructions on accepting deferred resignation can be found on the OPM website by navigating to “Fork” from the top menu.

Its been quite a while since I was a fedgov employee but this does not read like anything we would normally receive. The reference to productivity in the private/public sectors seems so juvenile and unprofessional if not outright bizarre.

 

[BassNBrew]

[Non-DoD Source] Fork in the Road FAQs

We have received a number of questions regarding the deferred resignation program. Below are our top FAQs:

Q:​	Am I expected to work at my government job during the deferred resignation period?
A:​	No.
Q:​	Am I allowed to get a second job during the deferred resignation period?
A:​	Absolutely! We encourage you to find a job in the private sector as soon as you would like to do so. The way to greater American prosperity is encouraging people to move from lower productivity jobs in the public sector to higher productivity jobs in the private sector.
Q:​	Will I really get my full pay and benefits during the entire period through September 30, even if I get a second job?
A:​	Yes. You will also accrue further personal leave days, vacation days, etc. and be paid out for unused leave at your final resignation date.
Q:​	Can I take an extended vacation while on administrative leave?
A:​	You are most welcome stay at home and relax or to travel to your dream destination. Whatever you would like.

Reminder that the deferred resignation program is available until Thursday, February 6.

Additional FAQ’s and instructions on accepting deferred resignation can be found on the OPM website by navigating to “Fork” from the top menu.

Sounds to good to be true.

 

[thecatch]

[Non-DoD Source] Fork in the Road FAQs

We have received a number of questions regarding the deferred resignation program. Below are our top FAQs:

Q:​	Am I expected to work at my government job during the deferred resignation period?
A:​	No.
Q:​	Am I allowed to get a second job during the deferred resignation period?
A:​	Absolutely! We encourage you to find a job in the private sector as soon as you would like to do so. The way to greater American prosperity is encouraging people to move from lower productivity jobs in the public sector to higher productivity jobs in the private sector.
Q:​	Will I really get my full pay and benefits during the entire period through September 30, even if I get a second job?
A:​	Yes. You will also accrue further personal leave days, vacation days, etc. and be paid out for unused leave at your final resignation date.
Q:​	Can I take an extended vacation while on administrative leave?
A:​	You are most welcome stay at home and relax or to travel to your dream destination. Whatever you would like.

Reminder that the deferred resignation program is available until Thursday, February 6.

Additional FAQ’s and instructions on accepting deferred resignation can be found on the OPM website by navigating to “Fork” from the top menu.

Its been quite a while since I was a fedgov employee but this does not read like anything we would normally receive. The reference to productivity in the private/public sectors seems so juvenile and unprofessional if not outright bizarre.

It's insane. These emails aren't just going out to office techs in [insert your least favorite agency here]. Secret Service and FBI agents and people on the front line of keeping our country and communities safe are getting this. It is a heck of a message to be sending those people.

 

[Max Power]

[Non-DoD Source] Fork in the Road FAQs

We have received a number of questions regarding the deferred resignation program. Below are our top FAQs:

Q:​	Am I expected to work at my government job during the deferred resignation period?
A:​	No.
Q:​	Am I allowed to get a second job during the deferred resignation period?
A:​	Absolutely! We encourage you to find a job in the private sector as soon as you would like to do so. The way to greater American prosperity is encouraging people to move from lower productivity jobs in the public sector to higher productivity jobs in the private sector.
Q:​	Will I really get my full pay and benefits during the entire period through September 30, even if I get a second job?
A:​	Yes. You will also accrue further personal leave days, vacation days, etc. and be paid out for unused leave at your final resignation date.
Q:​	Can I take an extended vacation while on administrative leave?
A:​	You are most welcome stay at home and relax or to travel to your dream destination. Whatever you would like.

Reminder that the deferred resignation program is available until Thursday, February 6.

Additional FAQ’s and instructions on accepting deferred resignation can be found on the OPM website by navigating to “Fork” from the top menu.

Its been quite a while since I was a fedgov employee but this does not read like anything we would normally receive. The reference to productivity in the private/public sectors seems so juvenile and unprofessional if not outright bizarre.

It's insane. These emails aren't just going out to office techs in [insert your least favorite agency here]. Secret Service and FBI agents and people on the front line of keeping our country and communities safe are getting this. It is a heck of a message to be sending those people.

Agree on the professionalism part.

I'm guessing they haven't received the response they were expecting and are trying to "sell it" a little harder now.

I'm DoD and we've been informed we aren't eligible at this moment, but I'm still getting the emails.

 

[the moops]

The way to greater American prosperity is encouraging people to move from lower productivity jobs in the public sector to higher productivity jobs in the private sector.

Such an odd time to be alive

 

[dgreen]

Not sure if this is related to the lack of professionalism in these emails, but there are reports that OPM a couple significant positions have recently been filled by a 21-year-old and someone who just graduated HS last year.

 

[Max Power]

Not sure if this is related to the lack of professionalism in these emails, but there are reports that OPM a couple significant positions have recently been filled by a 21-year-old and someone who just graduated HS last year.

Its possible. A couple years ago I saw that about 30% of the federal workforce is nearing/at retirement age.

 

[the moops]

Not sure if this is related to the lack of professionalism in these emails, but there are reports that OPM a couple significant positions have recently been filled by a 21-year-old and someone who just graduated HS last year.

Its possible. A couple years ago I saw that about 30% of the federal workforce is nearing/at retirement age.

The overall numbers are closer to 40%, so not sure that federal number is anything to be alarmed about

 

[CGRdrJoe]

Per DHS guidance issued on Jan. 30, 2025, the U.S. Coast Guard civilian workforce, along with other DHS operational components, is not allowed to participate in the Deferred Resignation Program.

we won't have to worry about losing our civilian workforce which is good news for us blue suitors.

 

[-OZ-]

Per DHS guidance issued on Jan. 30, 2025, the U.S. Coast Guard civilian workforce, along with other DHS operational components, is not allowed to participate in the Deferred Resignation Program.

we won't have to worry about losing our civilian workforce which is good news for us blue suitors.

Interesting. Last I heard DoD could. But not DHS?

 

[Brunell4MVP]

Not sure if this is related to the lack of professionalism in these emails, but there are reports that OPM a couple significant positions have recently been filled by a 21-year-old and someone who just graduated HS last year.

Its possible. A couple years ago I saw that about 30% of the federal workforce is nearing/at retirement age.

Many of the old would simply never leave. I haven't been a govie for 15+ years, but there were people over 65 in the office that refused to use a computer that were un-fireable. Those people were bound and determined to die in the office. It's what made me leave. The next generation needed to come along with better skills and attitude, but it couldn't because it's hard to get promoted into a job that never opens up. They can only create so many new reqs.

Then while the benefits are great, the starting salaries stink. My son graduated 4.0 from a top college. He applied to CIA and DoS and they offered him GS9 Step 1. It was less than half what he made going private. He basically got a GS15 salary in the private world.

And due to the above, nobody is going to come back to govt unless they don't know any other way of life (ie DOD civilians re-hired into the same job they already had).

The result is a lack of qualified mid level staff and managers. They will find someone to move up to senior roles, but they won't be as skilled as the people the govt already ran into private enterprise from the above issues.

There are smart people in govt. Especially at the GS15+ level. But at the lower level, I'm fine with them hiring HS grads. I worked with one woman that was a GS7 Step 10 after 25 years of work. No desire to get promoted or learn. She stared at the wall all day. Give me some kids that have some initiative.

 

[belljr]

Not sure if this is related to the lack of professionalism in these emails, but there are reports that OPM a couple significant positions have recently been filled by a 21-year-old and someone who just graduated HS last year.

Not sure if this is related to the lack of professionalism in these emails, but there are reports that OPM a couple significant positions have recently been filled by a 21-year-old and someone who just graduated HS last year.

Its possible. A couple years ago I saw that about 30% of the federal workforce is nearing/at retirement age.

Not sure if this is related to the lack of professionalism in these emails, but there are reports that OPM a couple significant positions have recently been filled by a 21-year-old and someone who just graduated HS last year.

Its possible. A couple years ago I saw that about 30% of the federal workforce is nearing/at retirement age.

Many of the old would simply never leave. I haven't been a govie for 15+ years, but there were people over 65 in the office that refused to use a computer that were un-fireable. Those people were bound and determined to die in the office. It's what made me leave. The next generation needed to come along with better skills and attitude, but it couldn't because it's hard to get promoted into a job that never opens up. They can only create so many new reqs.

Then while the benefits are great, the starting salaries stink. My son graduated 4.0 from a top college. He applied to CIA and DoS and they offered him GS9 Step 1. It was less than half what he made going private. He basically got a GS15 salary in the private world.

And due to the above, nobody is going to come back to govt unless they don't know any other way of life (ie DOD civilians re-hired into the same job they already had).

The result is a lack of qualified mid level staff and managers. They will find someone to move up to senior roles, but they won't be as skilled as the people the govt already ran into private enterprise from the above issues.

There are smart people in govt. Especially at the GS15+ level. But at the lower level, I'm fine with them hiring HS grads. I worked with one woman that was a GS7 Step 10 after 25 years of work. No desire to get promoted or learn. She stared at the wall all day. Give me some kids that have some initiative.

Read the same thing. I'm all for new blood but handing the keys to be in charge of HR to a 21 year old ain't that.

Also catch 22 you keep gutting/picking on the workforce why would a young person want to sign up.

 

[Capella]

I worked with one woman that was a GS7 Step 10 after 25 years of work.

Man, that’s crazy

 

[Max Power]

Not sure if this is related to the lack of professionalism in these emails, but there are reports that OPM a couple significant positions have recently been filled by a 21-year-old and someone who just graduated HS last year.

Its possible. A couple years ago I saw that about 30% of the federal workforce is nearing/at retirement age.

Many of the old would simply never leave. I haven't been a govie for 15+ years, but there were people over 65 in the office that refused to use a computer that were un-fireable. Those people were bound and determined to die in the office. It's what made me leave. The next generation needed to come along with better skills and attitude, but it couldn't because it's hard to get promoted into a job that never opens up. They can only create so many new reqs.

Then while the benefits are great, the starting salaries stink. My son graduated 4.0 from a top college. He applied to CIA and DoS and they offered him GS9 Step 1. It was less than half what he made going private. He basically got a GS15 salary in the private world.

And due to the above, nobody is going to come back to govt unless they don't know any other way of life (ie DOD civilians re-hired into the same job they already had).

The result is a lack of qualified mid level staff and managers. They will find someone to move up to senior roles, but they won't be as skilled as the people the govt already ran into private enterprise from the above issues.

There are smart people in govt. Especially at the GS15+ level. But at the lower level, I'm fine with them hiring HS grads. I worked with one woman that was a GS7 Step 10 after 25 years of work. No desire to get promoted or learn. She stared at the wall all day. Give me some kids that have some initiative.

We have a couple dinosaurs who won't retire either. Boomers are hanging around too long and it's screwing up the wealth inequality, but that's a different rant for another day.

 

[-OZ-]

Not sure if this is related to the lack of professionalism in these emails, but there are reports that OPM a couple significant positions have recently been filled by a 21-year-old and someone who just graduated HS last year.

Its possible. A couple years ago I saw that about 30% of the federal workforce is nearing/at retirement age.

Many of the old would simply never leave. I haven't been a govie for 15+ years, but there were people over 65 in the office that refused to use a computer that were un-fireable. Those people were bound and determined to die in the office. It's what made me leave. The next generation needed to come along with better skills and attitude, but it couldn't because it's hard to get promoted into a job that never opens up. They can only create so many new reqs.

Then while the benefits are great, the starting salaries stink. My son graduated 4.0 from a top college. He applied to CIA and DoS and they offered him GS9 Step 1. It was less than half what he made going private. He basically got a GS15 salary in the private world.

And due to the above, nobody is going to come back to govt unless they don't know any other way of life (ie DOD civilians re-hired into the same job they already had).

The result is a lack of qualified mid level staff and managers. They will find someone to move up to senior roles, but they won't be as skilled as the people the govt already ran into private enterprise from the above issues.

There are smart people in govt. Especially at the GS15+ level. But at the lower level, I'm fine with them hiring HS grads. I worked with one woman that was a GS7 Step 10 after 25 years of work. No desire to get promoted or learn. She stared at the wall all day. Give me some kids that have some initiative.

We have a couple dinosaurs who won't retire either. Boomers are hanging around too long and it's screwing up the wealth inequality, but that's a different rant for another day.

It’s odd to me, as the biggest reason I’m in the government is it’s a decent work life balance, low stress, and gives me time and energy to do other things. I’m looking forward to doing those other things full time and adding more, but complacency does seem to rule some.

 

[Sleestak]

70% cut of OPM staff very soon, per Federal News Network

Could break the retirement system and health system (FEHB).

 

[BassNBrew]

I know it's not the federal gov't, but we've been waiting on a death certificate for over a year. Congress persons / office have been no help.

 

[Judge Smails]

DOGE's mandate was reduced to improving federal IT systems, if you weren't aware.

If they would get the VA to stop trying to push CERNER out, that would be great.
Retired VA employee here, and haven't been in this thread in a while. Retired 2.5 years now, after 35 with VA.
I've chatted with a few former coworkers to see what they are hearing. We were Regional IT and had all been working from home prior to COVID. I was 100% at home starting in 2015.
So far, nobody has been told to return to a facility.

I'm a trainer for this software on the DoD side, and I while agree with you 100% that the Cerner program is a goat rodeo (their 3-year deployment plan on the DoD side took almost 8 years to complete, for example, and 'lessons learned' was a myth). They are slowly centralizing all training and IT support related to it, and while the GS trainers of the legacy system were allowed to be trained on the new system, they will not be replaced as they age out, and I believe the youngest of us are in our 50s so it won't be long until all support for it will be handled by a cadre of remotely located Cerner/Oracle staff--and who knows, may even eventually outsourced to India, as all they use now is a notebook cross-reference by keywords so that one doesn't have to know anything other than how to read, and in an ironic twist, don't have restrictions on working from home. This plan makes Cerner/MHS Genesis the poster child for reducing government payroll, no matter how unremarkable it is and how galactically stupid the plan is.

There is a reason that Epic dominates. Cerner losing market share every day. This has been a debacle of the biggest proportions

 

[SFBayDuck]

Google offers ‘voluntary’ buyouts to hardware and platform teams.

Y'all are learning all about the big tech playbook - without the stock options, in-office massages, ping pong, and a fine selection of beers and kombuchas on tap. No surprise considering who is apparently pulling all the strings on this.

Godspeed and good luck to all of you.

 

[Sleestak]

Just announced that they are authorizing VERA government-wide. THAT will get some people to move.

VERA: Eligible at 50 years with 20 years service, or at any age with 25 years service. No age-based annuity reduction, unlike the 5% per year under age 62 if you retire normally at minimum retirement age (MRA). My MRA is 57, for instance, so normally my annuity would be reduced 25% (5% per year for 5 years) if I took it immediately upon retiring at 57. Also, you get SRS even if normally not eligible (30 years+ of service required). Assuming SRS survives this, which I doubt it will.

 

[Sleestak]

Also, current lingo ties VERA to electing for that "deferred resignation" email that I'm not touching. They need to offer a clean Early Retirement without that 8 months off hokey pokie.

 

[Capella]

VERA: Eligible at 50 years with 20 years service, or at any age with 25 years service.

So this isn’t full retirement (30 years then) - just your 20 year rate moved up?

 

[FarFromHome]

I worked with one woman that was a GS7 Step 10 after 25 years of work.

Man, that’s crazy

Curious why that's crazy? My only GS job was Bureau of Prisons. The next for her is GS8. That's the first competitive promotional grade. At the BOP those old timers loved being a GS7 stepped out. They get all the good posts and get all the good vacation days. For context, it took 5 years for me to sniff a summer vacation day. GS8 for us came with a ton of stress. Maybe it's different in other agencies?

 

[dgreen]

VERA: Eligible at 50 years with 20 years service, or at any age with 25 years service.

So this isn’t full retirement (30 years then) - just your 20 year rate moved up?

For those eligible, it’s based on their current number of years. So, for me, I am eligible because I hit 25 years last year. Since I’m currently at 26 years, I’d get 26% of my current high 3.

 

[Capella]

I worked with one woman that was a GS7 Step 10 after 25 years of work.

Man, that’s crazy

Curious why that's crazy? My only GS job was Bureau of Prisons. The next for her is GS8. That's the first competitive promotional grade. At the BOP those old timers loved being a GS7 stepped out. They get all the good posts and get all the good vacation days. For context, it took 5 years for me to sniff a summer vacation day. GS8 for us came with a ton of stress. Maybe it's different in other agencies?

The way he worded it was she had no motivation to ever get past the gs 7 level. Sitting at a 7-10 for over a decade is just wild to me. A lot of those years we didn’t even get COLAs.

 

[Charlie Steiner]

DOGE's mandate was reduced to improving federal IT systems, if you weren't aware.

If they would get the VA to stop trying to push CERNER out, that would be great.
Retired VA employee here, and haven't been in this thread in a while. Retired 2.5 years now, after 35 with VA.
I've chatted with a few former coworkers to see what they are hearing. We were Regional IT and had all been working from home prior to COVID. I was 100% at home starting in 2015.
So far, nobody has been told to return to a facility.

I'm a trainer for this software on the DoD side, and I while agree with you 100% that the Cerner program is a goat rodeo (their 3-year deployment plan on the DoD side took almost 8 years to complete, for example, and 'lessons learned' was a myth). They are slowly centralizing all training and IT support related to it, and while the GS trainers of the legacy system were allowed to be trained on the new system, they will not be replaced as they age out, and I believe the youngest of us are in our 50s so it won't be long until all support for it will be handled by a cadre of remotely located Cerner/Oracle staff--and who knows, may even eventually outsourced to India, as all they use now is a notebook cross-reference by keywords so that one doesn't have to know anything other than how to read, and in an ironic twist, don't have restrictions on working from home. This plan makes Cerner/MHS Genesis the poster child for reducing government payroll, no matter how unremarkable it is and how galactically stupid the plan is.

There is a reason that Epic dominates. Cerner losing market share every day. This has been a debacle of the biggest proportions

IIRC, the main criteria wanted for replacing the legacy system was they wanted something off the shelf and wanted one that gave them access to civilian population health numbers, so naturally choosing not the #1 EHR was the choice. And as an added bonus, there were features in the legacy system that also existed in Cerner but weren't included in the original sales price, so they got to soak the government to turn them on.

Regarding being a debacle of the biggest proportions, I would be remiss if I didn't say that the decision ~25 years ago to select what is the current legacy system (AHLTA, which was a GUI interface that sat on top of the former UNIX-based system, CHCS, aka VISTA for my newest GB @Mjolnirs, instead of replacing the outdated, command-driven system with a brand-new civilian off-the-shelf product. The deciding vote was cast by someone who had a fat consultant gig with the company that created AHLTA waiting for them. For those not familiar with AHLTA, it was a dumpster fire for the first 6-8 years of its existence, and when it had become stable and MEDCOM had gotten to the point where they made it workable, the decision was made to scrap it.

 

[Orange&Blue]

Just announced that they are authorizing VERA government-wide. THAT will get some people to move.

VERA: Eligible at 50 years with 20 years service, or at any age with 25 years service. No age-based annuity reduction, unlike the 5% per year under age 62 if you retire normally at minimum retirement age (MRA). My MRA is 57, for instance, so normally my annuity would be reduced 25% (5% per year for 5 years) if I took it immediately upon retiring at 57. Also, you get SRS even if normally not eligible (30 years+ of service required). Assuming SRS survives this, which I doubt it will.

that will get a lot of attention

 

[FairWarning]

I may have missed the goal, how much do they want to downsize, 20%? I'm sure there is a lot of bloat.

 

[CGRdrJoe]

Per DHS guidance issued on Jan. 30, 2025, the U.S. Coast Guard civilian workforce, along with other DHS operational components, is not allowed to participate in the Deferred Resignation Program.

we won't have to worry about losing our civilian workforce which is good news for us blue suitors.

Interesting. Last I heard DoD could. But not DHS?

guess not

 

[Charlie Steiner]

So, the head of my department set up a text distribution list to make notifications for inclement weather, delayed openings, share holiday greetings, etc. I woke up this morning to one of them having put out the following: "Response from ChatGPT about resignation proportion letter received from OPM:" then followed by a long, detailed response.

I replied:

I heard Trump's next move is to shut down ChatGPT.

 

[Nugget]

I may have missed the goal, how much do they want to downsize, 20%? I'm sure there is a lot of bloat.

Why are you sure of that? I’m reading about lots of groups that are understaffed.

 

[FairWarning]

I may have missed the goal, how much do they want to downsize, 20%? I'm sure there is a lot of bloat.

Why are you sure of that? I’m reading about lots of groups that are understaffed.

I’m sure there is some of that also.

 

[belljr]

I may have missed the goal, how much do they want to downsize, 20%? I'm sure there is a lot of bloat.

Why are you sure of that? I’m reading about lots of groups that are understaffed.

I’m sure there is some of that also.

I don't think they have an actual plan. There is definitely places of bloat but it's need to be evaluated on a group by group basis not one giant axe imo

 

[the moops]

I may have missed the goal, how much do they want to downsize, 20%? I'm sure there is a lot of bloat.

Why are you sure of that? I’m reading about lots of groups that are understaffed.

I’m sure there is some of that also.

I don't think they have an actual plan. There is definitely places of bloat but it's need to be evaluated on a group by group basis not one giant axe imo

Yea this should be obvious. There are in all likelihood departments where a 20% cut is perhaps not even enough. Yet there are others where a 20% increase is needed. A blanket approach is easy but misguided.

 

[dgreen]

I may have missed the goal, how much do they want to downsize, 20%? I'm sure there is a lot of bloat.

Why are you sure of that? I’m reading about lots of groups that are understaffed.

I’m sure there is some of that also.

I don't think they have an actual plan. There is definitely places of bloat but it's need to be evaluated on a group by group basis not one giant axe imo

Yea this should be obvious. There are in all likelihood departments where a 20% cut is perhaps not even enough. Yet there are others where a 20% increase is needed. A blanket approach is easy but misguided.

Yeah, agreed. However…that’s been the mostly failed approach forever. Ask any government manager what resources they need and what kind of budget they need, and almost nobody says they can function with less. No manager is going to say their program needs to be eliminated. It’s incredibly hard to dissolve those offices and programs that need to be dissolved. This current method sucks, but it also might be the only realistic way to get rid of the bloat.

 

[Orange&Blue]

If you haven't frozen your credit reports yet, it probably isn't a bad idea to do so today.

 

[Orange&Blue]

I may have missed the goal, how much do they want to downsize, 20%? I'm sure there is a lot of bloat.

Why are you sure of that? I’m reading about lots of groups that are understaffed.

I’m sure there is some of that also.

I don't think they have an actual plan. There is definitely places of bloat but it's need to be evaluated on a group by group basis not one giant axe imo

Yea this should be obvious. There are in all likelihood departments where a 20% cut is perhaps not even enough. Yet there are others where a 20% increase is needed. A blanket approach is easy but misguided.

Yeah, agreed. However…that’s been the mostly failed approach forever. Ask any government manager what resources they need and what kind of budget they need, and almost nobody says they can function with less. No manager is going to say their program needs to be eliminated. It’s incredibly hard to dissolve those offices and programs that need to be dissolved. This current method sucks, but it also might be the only realistic way to get rid of the bloat.

my issue isn't with the what. it's the how. Trump won the election as such he gets to implement his policies. if people don't like it they should have voted or voted differently.

But how they should be doing this is telling the agencies:

1) eliminate all DEI within 30 days.
2) return to office within 60 days.
3) identify 20% RIF positions and identify quantifiable risks to mandatory program execution requirements within 60 days and plan to execute by end of calendar year.

The agencies know what to do, and with trump appointing agency heads he can ensure his mandates are followed. But this current method is just crazy and asking for serious issues to everyday Americans.

 

[-OZ-]

My only GS job was Bureau of Prisons. The next for her is GS8. That's the first competitive promotional grade. At the BOP those old timers loved being a GS7 stepped out. They get all the good posts and get all the good vacation days. For context, it took 5 years for me to sniff a summer vacation day. GS8 for us came with a ton of stress. Maybe it's different in other agencies?

It’s not necessarily the agencies that are different, but different offices have different needs. I’ve only been a DAC for 7.5 years now, but have never been denied a day off I wanted and our office closes on holidays. That isn’t true for those in jobs that must be performed every day.

 

[Sleestak]

If you haven't frozen your credit reports yet, it probably isn't a bad idea to do so today.

Just curious, why do you say that? (FTR I froze mine years ago)

 

[the moops]

My only GS job was Bureau of Prisons. The next for her is GS8. That's the first competitive promotional grade. At the BOP those old timers loved being a GS7 stepped out. They get all the good posts and get all the good vacation days. For context, it took 5 years for me to sniff a summer vacation day. GS8 for us came with a ton of stress. Maybe it's different in other agencies?

It’s not necessarily the agencies that are different, but different offices have different needs. I’ve only been a DAC for 7.5 years now, but have never been denied a day off I wanted and our office closes on holidays. That isn’t true for those in jobs that must be performed every day.

I have never worked at a place that has denied a day off I wanted. And if a place did, I would hand in my resignation letter immediately.

 

[-OZ-]

My only GS job was Bureau of Prisons. The next for her is GS8. That's the first competitive promotional grade. At the BOP those old timers loved being a GS7 stepped out. They get all the good posts and get all the good vacation days. For context, it took 5 years for me to sniff a summer vacation day. GS8 for us came with a ton of stress. Maybe it's different in other agencies?

It’s not necessarily the agencies that are different, but different offices have different needs. I’ve only been a DAC for 7.5 years now, but have never been denied a day off I wanted and our office closes on holidays. That isn’t true for those in jobs that must be performed every day.

I have never worked at a place that has denied a day off I wanted. And if a place did, I would hand in my resignation letter immediately.

I was denied occasionally on active duty but that’s expected.
Actually that’s not really true, I wouldn’t ask.

 

[SFBayDuck]

If you haven't frozen your credit reports yet, it probably isn't a bad idea to do so today.

Just curious, why do you say that? (FTR I froze mine years ago)

I assume he’s referencing this. Elon Musk’s Team Now Has Access to Treasury’s Payments System