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HC Dan Campbell, DET (2 Viewers)

This is hilarious. A life long packer fan "concerned" about poor clueless Lions fans. You just can't make this stuff up.
No clue what point you're making? I'm not concerned at all about Lions fans, just pointing out the shared belief that he's the best coach ever because he's aggressive. I am pointing out he gets too aggressive and will cost them eventually like the Dallas game because he's too stubborn and not the best coach ever. I'm not saying he doesn't make some great calls because he does, I'm saying there's a difference between ballsy and stupid.

Thanks for playing!

I’ll answer as simply as I can. Personally, I’ve bought in to the coaching style. It’s already yielded us a ton of positive plays and decisive moments which help to win games. Sometimes as directly as a TD on 4th down, or even icing a game. If we are in the SB I’ll totally believe that we are there because of the success of this style. You can’t start second guessing and changing up how you play just because of the size of the moment, even just for one reason that it would show self doubt in your entire ethos.

If that happened I’d be fine with it. Not happy of course because we have lost, but understand it’s the ethos that helped get us there and made the players play as well as they do. As it stands there’s unlikely to be any part of me that looks at Campbell in a bad light, all Lions fans owe the guy everything. Brad Holmes is good but Campbell has turned this entire club around with the way he goes about business and his mentality is the engine that keeps the whole thing ticking over
Nice answer.
 
So the Lions miss the SB or lose a SB by one play because he was too stubborn and makes a stupid call, and never get back in that position again in his tenure, you’ll sit back and say “oh well that was his style” and be fine with it?
I call BS.
Your presumption is that the Lions will miss or lose the Super Bowl due to a Dan Campbell decision.
It's more likely they'll make or win the Super Bowl due to a Dan Campbell decision.
Again there’s no presumption at all. It was a hypothetical, everyone but @TartanLion and @ignatiusjreilly deflected the question.
 
Gonna cost his team a SB
If the Lions lose because he was aggressive and it failed, us fans can live with that.
So the Lions miss the SB or lose a SB by one play because he was too stubborn and makes a stupid call, and never get back in that position again in his tenure, you’ll sit back and say “oh well that was his style” and be fine with it?
I call BS.
I get your point (and don't think you're trolling). Here's what I would say:

If he makes a call like the one in the Dallas game* that seems overly stubborn, and it backfires, and we look back on it afterward as the Lions last, best chance to make a Super Bowl, then yeah, I'll be incredibly bummed. I won't turn on him because of it -- as I've freely admitted here many times, I'm totally in the tank for him -- but I'll probably view it like a Greek tragedy, where the hero is brought down by his greatest flaw.

I really do wonder if in Dallas he was thinking beyond that one game, and was willing to take a calculated risk in order to send his team a message before their playoff run. I would hope he wouldn't make that decision again in the Super Bowl. But beyond that one decision, I'm having a hard time thinking of any calls of his that seemed overly aggressive. Maybe some of the fake punts deep in Lions territory? Then again, his record on fake punts is absolutely amazing, so it's hard to doubt him there.

Did I mention I'm totally in the tank for him?

* To be clear, I'm referring specifically to the decision to go for it even after the penalty put the ball on the 7. The original decision to go for it was totally defensible, especially given the play he had planned.
What I dislike about Campbell is going for it on 4th down and fake punts for either when it’s inside their own 30.
I do like when he has the chance to put a team away near the end of games he will take reasonable risk to avoid giving the ball back.
I still think he lost his cool in that Dallas game and how the Lions ran trick plays with Sewell etc this year vs Dallas was his still pent up frustration showing itself.
 
So the Lions miss the SB or lose a SB by one play because he was too stubborn and makes a stupid call, and never get back in that position again in his tenure, you’ll sit back and say “oh well that was his style” and be fine with it?
I call BS.
Your presumption is that the Lions will miss or lose the Super Bowl due to a Dan Campbell decision.
It's more likely they'll make or win the Super Bowl due to a Dan Campbell decision.
Again there’s no presumption at all. It was a hypothetical, everyone but @TartanLion and @ignatiusjreilly deflected the question.
But it’s his decision making, aggressive nature and demeanor that has changed the culture of the team, helped them win so many games and be in a SB to begin with. You can’t just throw all that out because of one call that fails at the end. If Detroit runs a trick play late in the 4th of the SB and it backfires and they lose because of it, will teams now cross Ben Johnson off their HC list? Would people think he should have changed his approach to play calling for that one single game?

If some no name person with zero political success starts a presidential campaign for the Green Party only using Tik Tok and social media, no main stream media appearances at all and they go from obscurity to missing out on being President by 1 State, would people be like “oh what a dumb strategy they used, they should have gone on CNN and SNL and done an interview with Bret Baier?”

No. You have an approach, a belief, a philosophy and you embody it. When that proves successful, you don’t change. You lean in. You know what would be 100x worse than him being aggressive and losing the SB because of it? Him making a conservative call because the moment was so big, it not working and having to live with that betrayal the rest of his life.
 
Is approaching a decision with your hair on fire instead of common sense always the right decision? Probably not, but a lot of you are aguing you do what brought you there. I can't really argue with that, but would I go for it on 4th and 1 from my own 30, trailing by 14 in the first half of the Super Bowl? Probably not, but then again I'm not Dan Campbell.
 
Is approaching a decision with your hair on fire instead of common sense always the right decision? Probably not, but a lot of you are aguing you do what brought you there. I can't really argue with that, but would I go for it on 4th and 1 from my own 30, trailing by 14 in the first half of the Super Bowl? Probably not, but then again I'm not Dan Campbell.
I can’t say I agree with every decision he’s ever made. Definitely not. But I also don’t think a good successful poker player should change how they play just because the stakes are higher.
 
So the Lions miss the SB or lose a SB by one play because he was too stubborn and makes a stupid call, and never get back in that position again in his tenure, you’ll sit back and say “oh well that was his style” and be fine with it?
I call BS.
Your presumption is that the Lions will miss or lose the Super Bowl due to a Dan Campbell decision.
It's more likely they'll make or win the Super Bowl due to a Dan Campbell decision.
Again there’s no presumption at all. It was a hypothetical, everyone but @TartanLion and @ignatiusjreilly deflected the question.
But it’s his decision making, aggressive nature and demeanor that has changed the culture of the team, helped them win so many games and be in a SB to begin with. You can’t just throw all that out because of one call that fails at the end. If Detroit runs a trick play late in the 4th of the SB and it backfires and they lose because of it, will teams now cross Ben Johnson off their HC list? Would people think he should have changed his approach to play calling for that one single game?

If some no name person with zero political success starts a presidential campaign for the Green Party only using Tik Tok and social media, no main stream media appearances at all and they go from obscurity to missing out on being President by 1 State, would people be like “oh what a dumb strategy they used, they should have gone on CNN and SNL and done an interview with Bret Baier?”

No. You have an approach, a belief, a philosophy and you embody it. When that proves successful, you don’t change. You lean in. You know what would be 100x worse than him being aggressive and losing the SB because of it? Him making a conservative call because the moment was so big, it not working and having to live with that betrayal the rest of his life.
But enough about Kyle Shanahan…..
 
Is approaching a decision with your hair on fire instead of common sense always the right decision?
The only decision that applies to the above was going for 2 against Dallas from the 7 yard line. I haven't always agreed with him but the rest of his decisions were well thought out.
 
Gonna cost his team a SB
If the Lions lose because he was aggressive and it failed, us fans can live with that.
So the Lions miss the SB or lose a SB by one play because he was too stubborn and makes a stupid call, and never get back in that position again in his tenure, you’ll sit back and say “oh well that was his style” and be fine with it?
I call BS.
Because something is the “right” play doesn’t mean it’s going to work out 100 percent of the time.
Football analytics are still evolving. What they thought was “right” 30 years ago isn’t close to right today. Look at all the coaches who go for it on fourth down now. That used to never happen.
My point being, what you think is a negative EV decision may turn out to be positive. We Lions fans see the results and honestly I think most of us think he’s actually making the correct decisions. Other coaches will catch up eventually.

So yes. I can live with a SB loss in the scenario you suggest because I trust that he knows what’s best for this team in a given situation.
I don't actually believe you, because I know how difficult it is to get back to the SB. I guess we'll see......
I don’t know how to answer this.
 
We'll see how it plays out. Again, I love Campbell. Just think that he goes too far with the going for it on 4th down deep in his own territory stuff. Show me analytics where they say it's the right option. Play with fire - gonna get burned. I admire the Lions fans who are saying we agree, this is our DNA, etc. We'll see if everyone's singing the same tune if he goes for it on his own 25, doesn't convert, and they lose in the playoffs.
 
We'll see how it plays out. Again, I love Campbell. Just think that he goes too far with the going for it on 4th down deep in his own territory stuff. Show me analytics where they say it's the right option. Play with fire - gonna get burned. I admire the Lions fans who are saying we agree, this is our DNA, etc. We'll see if everyone's singing the same tune if he goes for it on his own 25, doesn't convert, and they lose in the playoffs.

He does that now, sometimes it works out, sometimes it doesn't. Sometimes they overcome it (see Week 6 at MIN).

We. Are. Good. Either. Way.

You know would really suck and what would be ****ing impossible to get over years later?

Having the best, most efficient quarterback in the NFL, little over two minutes left in the NFCCG, down 8 points, first and goal from the 8.....

and kicking a field goal.
 
We'll see how it plays out. Again, I love Campbell. Just think that he goes too far with the going for it on 4th down deep in his own territory stuff. Show me analytics where they say it's the right option. Play with fire - gonna get burned. I admire the Lions fans who are saying we agree, this is our DNA, etc. We'll see if everyone's singing the same tune if he goes for it on his own 25, doesn't convert, and they lose in the playoffs.

He does that now, sometimes it works out, sometimes it doesn't. Sometimes they overcome it (see Week 6 at MIN).

We. Are. Good. Either. Way.

You know would really suck and what would be ****ing impossible to get over years later?

Having the best, most efficient quarterback in the NFL, little over two minutes left in the NFCCG, down 8 points, first and goal from the 8.....

and kicking a field goal.
Amen. As a Packer fan, it still pisses me off.
 
We'll see how it plays out. Again, I love Campbell. Just think that he goes too far with the going for it on 4th down deep in his own territory stuff. Show me analytics where they say it's the right option. Play with fire - gonna get burned. I admire the Lions fans who are saying we agree, this is our DNA, etc. We'll see if everyone's singing the same tune if he goes for it on his own 25, doesn't convert, and they lose in the playoffs.

He does that now, sometimes it works out, sometimes it doesn't. Sometimes they overcome it (see Week 6 at MIN).

We. Are. Good. Either. Way.

You know would really suck and what would be ****ing impossible to get over years later?

Having the best, most efficient quarterback in the NFL, little over two minutes left in the NFCCG, down 8 points, first and goal from the 8.....

and kicking a field goal.
Amen. As a Packer fan, it still pisses me off.

It did make for one of the greatest Final Jeopardy! answers of all-time.
 
What Dan Campbell has done with this team with a ridiculous number of injuries is nothing short of amazing.

It will be criminal if he doesn't win coach of the year.

Usually the award goes to the coach who exceeded expectations the most

KOC deserves it on that basis
 
What Dan Campbell has done with this team with a ridiculous number of injuries is nothing short of amazing.

It will be criminal if he doesn't win coach of the year.

Usually the award goes to the coach who exceeded expectations the most

KOC deserves it on that basis
Agree that, based on how it usually works, KOC will probably get it. But the fact that, in the most important game of the year, he got thoroughly outcoached by his main competition may sway some voters. And I don't just mean "outchoached" in the sense that Detroit won and Minnesota lost. Campbell coached a great game, KOC had probably his worst of the season. His high-powered offense couldn't do anything against a historically banged-up D, and pretty much all of his 4th down calls blew up in his face
 
What Dan Campbell has done with this team with a ridiculous number of injuries is nothing short of amazing.

It will be criminal if he doesn't win coach of the year.

Usually the award goes to the coach who exceeded expectations the most

KOC deserves it on that basis
Agree that, based on how it usually works, KOC will probably get it. But the fact that, in the most important game of the year, he got thoroughly outcoached by his main competition may sway some voters. And I don't just mean "outchoached" in the sense that Detroit won and Minnesota lost. Campbell coached a great game, KOC had probably his worst of the season. His high-powered offense couldn't do anything against a historically banged-up D, and pretty much all of his 4th down calls blew up in his face
Agreed. KOC was good this year, but lost to DC twice - and the latest was in the highest profile game of the season - everything on the line, division crown, #1 seed, home throughout the playoffs, etc - and it wasn't close.

I'd rather take the wins than the awards.

Let's go Lions!
 
The Vikings coach is 14-1 vs the rest of the NFL, but 0-2 vs Dan Campbell.

Last 3 years:
  • Campbell 36-15 .706 | 15-3 v North | 5-1 v MIN
  • KOC 34-17 .667 | 10-8 | 1-5


Have a lot of respect for KOC, they have a great culture in Minneapolis. 13 and 14 win seasons the last 3 years, they're a very good team.
It's the most fun and respectful rivalry I can recall honestly. Feels like a lot of the fans are rooting for the success of the other if they can't make it themselves.
 
The Vikings coach is 14-1 vs the rest of the NFL, but 0-2 vs Dan Campbell.

Last 3 years:
  • Campbell 36-15 .706 | 15-3 v North | 5-1 v MIN
  • KOC 34-17 .667 | 10-8 | 1-5


Have a lot of respect for KOC, they have a great culture in Minneapolis. 13 and 14 win seasons the last 3 years, they're a very good team.
It's the most fun and respectful rivalry I can recall honestly. Feels like a lot of the fans are rooting for the success of the other if they can't make it themselves.

Feel the same way about the Bills

I’m never going to root for another team but I do like when teams do things the right way
 
late February-early March, 2021

Dan Campbell, introduced a few weeks ago as the Lions 28th Head Coach, tours a Ford factory at the height of COVID.

:rolleyes:

What's the old saying, "That guy could sell ice to an eskimo"?

But he's not a specious salesman from Glengarry Glen Ross, nor is he the tragic Willie Loman from Death of a Salesman, who errs in believing charm alone - far more than hard work and persistence - was the key to becoming a great man.

This seemed pretty cheesy when it came out. In fact, my cynical thought was, "Holy cow....the pandemic is killing the global economy, Ford's inventory is massively backed up, and these cheapskates (general reference to the Ford family) are loaning out there football coach as a motivational speaker. They have no shame."

:doh:

This has nothing to do with football or coaching, but really is the essence of who Dan Campbell is as a person.

He genuinely cares about Detroit. He played here almost 20 years ago, he knows this is a football town with a ihistorically bad franchise. He came here thinking if they ever had a winner, they could be playing in front of the loudest fans in the league. That's not lost on other former players - he's not the only NFL alumni who has voiced the opinion (paraphrasing) "If the Lions ever figure out what they have, man, look out. That fanbase is unbelievable."
 
late February-early March, 2021

Dan Campbell, introduced a few weeks ago as the Lions 28th Head Coach, tours a Ford factory at the height of COVID.

:rolleyes:

What's the old saying, "That guy could sell ice to an eskimo"?

But he's not a specious salesman from Glengarry Glen Ross, nor is he the tragic Willie Loman from Death of a Salesman, who errs in believing charm alone - far more than hard work and persistence - was the key to becoming a great man.

This seemed pretty cheesy when it came out. In fact, my cynical thought was, "Holy cow....the pandemic is killing the global economy, Ford's inventory is massively backed up, and these cheapskates (general reference to the Ford family) are loaning out there football coach as a motivational speaker. They have no shame."

:doh:

This has nothing to do with football or coaching, but really is the essence of who Dan Campbell is as a person.

He genuinely cares about Detroit. He played here almost 20 years ago, he knows this is a football town with a ihistorically bad franchise. He came here thinking if they ever had a winner, they could be playing in front of the loudest fans in the league. That's not lost on other former players - he's not the only NFL alumni who has voiced the opinion (paraphrasing) "If the Lions ever figure out what they have, man, look out. That fanbase is unbelievable."
I've always told friends, "if you think the Red Wings, Pistons or Tigers celebrations were something, imagine the PARTY if the Lions ever won the Super Bowl".

Detroit is a football town. We love our football. Ford Field will be incredible in 2 weeks. Wish I could afford 2 tickets.
 
Week 18 Locker Room Speech

game balls for 26, 21 & welcome back 34
how can't you love the guy? he's awesome and you can see why players are lining up to play for him.

I can think of reasons not to like him
  • his wife put up 7 Christmas trees in the house this year
  • his dogs are kind of small
gimme a minute, I'll think of more
well, we put up 4 and my 2 kids each have small ones in their rooms which explains why we likely see eye to eye.

small dogs and their annoying barking do suck but not enough to turn the needle against DC!!
 
TE Dan Campbell signs with Lions

Tom Kowalski reports that Dallas Cowboys TE Dan Campbell signs a 5-year contract with the Lions. The 29-year old blocking specialist is a Texas A&M alum. Here's more from Killer.

TomKowalski: You're going to love ... campbell ... a real easy-going funny guy ... but he did say something interesting today ... he said that when he was with the giants and cowboys, they always looked at the lions like "when are they going to wake up? it's just a matter of time.''
19 year old post, one that was more than a little prophetic.
 
TE Dan Campbell signs with Lions

Tom Kowalski reports that Dallas Cowboys TE Dan Campbell signs a 5-year contract with the Lions. The 29-year old blocking specialist is a Texas A&M alum. Here's more from Killer.

TomKowalski: You're going to love ... campbell ... a real easy-going funny guy ... but he did say something interesting today ... he said that when he was with the giants and cowboys, they always looked at the lions like "when are they going to wake up? it's just a matter of time.''
19 year old post, one that was more than a little prophetic.

Killer was so awesome. Miss him.
 
Week 18 Locker Room Speech

game balls for 26, 21 & welcome back 34
how can't you love the guy? he's awesome and you can see why players are lining up to play for him.

I can think of reasons not to like him
  • his wife put up 7 Christmas trees in the house this year
  • his dogs are kind of small
gimme a minute, I'll think of more
We only had five Christmas trees and two were ceramic and small dogs are the best.
 
How would any Lions fan ever blame Campbell for losing a Super Bowl? It is a silly hypothetical.

The reason the Lions became the best team in the league after a 60-year history of failure is Dan Campbell. I know every decision Dan makes he put his heart and soul into and that is all you can ever ask for. I don't care what some anal-list says with the benefit of their hiney-sight and no knowledge of the team says. No one else on the planet could have done what Dan has done to this franchise. Dan has completely earned the respect and support of true Lions fans
 
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Righteous coach. Would run through a wall for him. Forget one bad situation (Dallas) and one unconventional but correct (San Fran) call. This guy has taken two-and and made it and-two.

Can’t get sweeter than that.

Good luck, fellas.
 
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He is a true leader. He is a player’s coach because they love to play for him, for their team and for their city.

In this “Mr first” world, coach Dan Campbell and their team is a breath of fresh air. And Detroit and their long suffering fans are thrilled.

It’s just a joy to watch him coach and also watch this team play.
 
It's going to be an interesting offseason for DET with Johnson/Glenn likely gone.

Also, and it sounds weird to say this after a 15-2 season, but each of the last 2 seasons IMO, the Lions exceeded expectations. This season, they fell pretty dramatically short of them and there is more of a ground up build that will need to executed to get back to this point.
 
He admitted he sh!t the bed
Glenn sh!t the bed
Johnson sh!t the bed BIG TIME!
But I'll gladly take Dan Cambell as my head coach
Glenn was going to a gunfight with a knife. He didn't have a chance, especially without Amik Robertson. The tackling was atrocious. I don't think there was anything Glenn could do. He simply didn't have the horses.
Yeah, this season makes it clear how good of a coach Glenn is
 
He admitted he sh!t the bed
Glenn sh!t the bed
Johnson sh!t the bed BIG TIME!
But I'll gladly take Dan Cambell as my head coach
Glenn was going to a gunfight with a knife. He didn't have a chance, especially without Amik Robertson. The tackling was atrocious. I don't think there was anything Glenn could do. He simply didn't have the horses.
Yeah, this season makes it clear how good of a coach Glenn is
A lot of us have been saying Glenn will get a HC job before Johnson and it still holds true imo.
 
But I'll gladly take Dan Cambell as my head coach
OK, but he also has to realize that coaching in the playoffs is different than coaching in the regular season. Sometimes you just take the points, especially if you are the better team, which they probably were last night despite all the injuries on defense. I totally got Quinn rolling the dice all night because he knew his defense couldn't stop the Lions (only Jared Goff could). Look at Fat Andy. FG, FG, FG, FG. Win by 3. Win is a win. All season, the Lions ran the score up on teams and I think that made them overconfident going into last night. Confidence is good, but over confidence is a killer.

As as aside, I love Johnsons play calling but the Williams pass was plain foolish. If you're going to run that play at that time, maybe someone less emotional than Williams. The play wasn't there but Williams throws it anyway, into double coverage. St. Brown probably would have taken a few yards and lived to fight another play.
 
He admitted he sh!t the bed
Glenn sh!t the bed
Johnson sh!t the bed BIG TIME!
But I'll gladly take Dan Cambell as my head coach
Glenn was going to a gunfight with a knife. He didn't have a chance, especially without Amik Robertson. The tackling was atrocious. I don't think there was anything Glenn could do. He simply didn't have the horses.
He kept blitzing even though Daniels was carving the defense up when he did.
The few times he played press coverage and didn't blitz Daniels couldn't find anyone open
He had to tuck and run
For a lot fewer yards than his blitz beating passes were gaining
Glenn is a very good coach,he should be a head coach next season
But in my humble opinion he could have adjusted a little better last night
Yes he was undermanned,but when the blitzing kept getting beat over and over
At least try to do something different
 

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