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HC Sean Payton, DEN (1 Viewer)
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Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
I know there was bad coaching in Denver last year, but Wilson looked so bad in his own right. I could see Denver winning but it's hard to imagine that Wilson will be a big reason why.
Drake Hater
Footballguy
Payton setting the tone for dealing with Wilson's foolishness is going to be a great off season story.
Doug B
Footballguy
Love this:
The Twitterverse strikes out again -- though I'm sure 99% of that "we don't want Payton!" noise was gamesmanship by the Broncos.
LawFitz
Footballguy
I'm a fan of Payton and was/am very optimistic about this hire for the Broncos, but this comment from that article makes some intriguing points on the other side of that sentiment...
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
Tom Rock
@TomRock_Newsday
Sat with Terry Bradshaw for a bit. Interesting comments on Sean Payton, his co-worker for the past year at FOX.
Said Payton didn't want to go to Arizona bc of the QB.
Also said he didn't want to go to Denver bc of the QB!
Ultimately he took that job in spite of Russ.
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Super Bowl: Sean Payton took Broncos head coaching job in spite of Russell Wilson, Terry Bradshaw says
@TomRock_Newsday
Sat with Terry Bradshaw for a bit. Interesting comments on Sean Payton, his co-worker for the past year at FOX.
Said Payton didn't want to go to Arizona bc of the QB.
Also said he didn't want to go to Denver bc of the QB!
Ultimately he took that job in spite of Russ.
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Super Bowl: Sean Payton took Broncos head coaching job in spite of Russell Wilson, Terry Bradshaw says
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Drake Hater
Footballguy
So you go with the money 
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
Action Network
@ActionNetworkHQ
Gregg Williams admitted to Trent Dilfer that he stole his Ravens playbook when he was the Titans defensive coordinator
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Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
Geno Smith 2022 MVP Vote Getter
@LetDKCookAgain
Did it to the Jags too
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Gregg Williams stole Jaguars playbook in 1999 playoff loss
The Jaguars lost to the Tennessee Titans three times in the 1999 season, including in the AFC Championship game. Then Titans defensive coordinator Gregg Williams allegedly had a copy of the team's playbook.
..."First thing he said when he came in the door was ‘Hey, you know why you lost?' With a lot of other explicit words with that. He said he had our playbook. Greg Williams had our playbook. Our game plan on offense. He had our playbook."
...Arguably the best team in the NFL that season, the Jaguars were unceremoniously bounced from the playoffs by the Titans, making it three straight losses to Tennessee on the season. In each loss against the Titans that year, the Jaguars failed to score 20 points and had a combined 13 turnovers in those three losses. The Jaguars had just 10 combined turnovers in their other 15 games that season.
"I know how he got them," Wynn said. "He started getting playbooks when I was with him."
Hot Diggity Dog
Footballguy
Well, he has gotten his staff assembled. Off and running.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Hot Diggity Dog
Footballguy
He might find one in his own backyard.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
You have faith in Brett Rypien, huh?He might find one in his own backyard.
Hot Diggity Dog
Footballguy
Anything is possible.You have faith in Brett Rypien, huh?He might find one in his own backyard.
Tanner9919
Footballguy
This has the look and feel to it like Parcells in Dallas or Saban in MIami , just a coach drawing a check from an owner with deep pockets. Someone mentioned the Saints from office, and they're right.that same infrastructure isn't in place in denver. This smells so bad of following the money and laughing all the way to the bank.
I'd also like to see Payton's coaching record on grass as opposed to the Dome turf in n.o..
I'd also like to see Payton's coaching record on grass as opposed to the Dome turf in n.o..
Stoneworker
Footballguy
Thanks for the keen insight. Lions HC Dan Campbell apparently disagrees...and is most likely a little closer to the situation.
Detroit Lions coach Dan Campbell has an early prediction on what Broncos fans will see from first-year coach Sean Payton.
“Very rejuvenated, man,’’ Campbell said this week at the NFL owners meetings in Phoenix about Payton being back in coaching. “You can tell he’s hungry. He’s ready to go. Change of scenery.”
“You’re about to get the best product or the best version of him that there’s been in a while,’’ Campbell said.
Few people in football know the coach better than Campbell. He spent seven seasons as an NFL tight end under Payton when he was an assistant. Later, he worked for five years as an assistant under Payton in New Orleans.
Chaka
Footballguy
Payton threw some unprecedented shade at Hackett.
I know he's factually correct but to go public and say about another coach that they did "the worst coaching job ever" is stunning.
Payton doesn't do anything without clear calculation. It makes me wonder how fragile Russel Wilson's ego is that he needed his coach to publicly flog a peer.
You don't normally see that in the coaching ranks like that. I've never been a big fan of Sean Payton the person, always struck as a Bill Parcells starter kit, but I love the way he's not holding back.
Denver vs Jets in week 5.
Stoneworker
Footballguy
Whatever the psychology is re: Wilson it is initially having some positive effects. Russ has lost at least 15lbs and looks quite svelte and sharp in camp and workout videos.
No more eating cupcakes, I suppose.
nittanylion
Footballguy
Nat Hackett is not Payton's peer. Not by a long shot, at least IMHO.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
This is the same guy that was suspended an entire season, do people forget that?
I never agreed with what Goodell did to him but my goodness was Sean quick to make Hackett an all time worst like Jim Zorn
It was pretty bad, but I also think Payton is going to figure out that Wilson's best days are behind him
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Jim Zorn catching strays. Like, he wasn't good, but all time worst is strong, especially with Urban Meyer just happening. Denver is getting a monster HC upgrade, regardless of if Payton is a jerk.
I will say, Hackett was an unbelievably awful playcaller. I distinctly remember the Monday Night game where they had 3 timeouts in the last 2 minutes and played for a 64 yard FG, which was hilarious for Peyton Manning having a conniption fit about what they were doing.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Good points, I kinda forgot about Meyer after I watched JAX erase a 27-pt deficit and beat the LA Chargers last year during Wildcard Weekend
But I think you are forgetting how bad the end of the Jim Zorn experiment was for Washington
I remember how Zorn was publicly humiliated when he had play calling duties stripped of him.
He suddenly was riding the short bus into work
LawFitz
Footballguy
Luv it. Payton kicking *** and taking names already. Good coaching and strong leadership are so underrated in this game, by actual and fantasy football managers. Broncos should be on everyone's 2023 come up list if they are being valued anywhere near their 2022 production in drafts.
Agreed. They have a ton of talent there
And also Hackett was one of the worst coaches I have seen since Hue Jackson. Only reason he has a job is because of Aaron Rodgers IMO
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Lol, this is good stuff, Payton upset some people and someone put this out:
He’s got some iron lungs for a man his age, like ‘em just a bit more
Wanted to add that the tweet of Payton pulling on a bong was put out originally yesterday by The QB Collective in response to something Payton said about embarrasing behavior. They later deleted it but other people kept on circulating it.
The QB collective is basically the Shanahan coaching tree. Founded I believe by Mike and includes current NFL head coaches Kyle, McVay, McDaniels, LaFleuer, Stefanski and O'Connell. Hackett is of course a part of this tree.
This won't mean much for fantasy purposes, just adds a little extra spice, but I don't think it's a stretch that if any teams led from coaches among that tree have a chance to run the score up on Denver they won't hesitate to do it.
Stoneworker
Footballguy
IMO this will turn out to be much ado about nothing.
- Payton was an equal oppty basher in his comments, even calling out his own Broncos executives (specifically GM George Paton).
- It's not like the Jets players have any long-standing loyalty to their brand new OC, and everyone's smart enough to know he wouldn't even be there if not for an epic failure as a HC.
- And the actual shot at the Jets organization was only about being on Hard Knocks, and in the context of a larger point Payton was making about "pomp and circumstance" offseason distractions. Hardly bulletin board material.
There will be potentially marginal benefit for Broncos' players giving them a clean slate from last year's embarrassments, but by week 5 this will be largely forgotten
- Payton was an equal oppty basher in his comments, even calling out his own Broncos executives (specifically GM George Paton).
- It's not like the Jets players have any long-standing loyalty to their brand new OC, and everyone's smart enough to know he wouldn't even be there if not for an epic failure as a HC.
- And the actual shot at the Jets organization was only about being on Hard Knocks, and in the context of a larger point Payton was making about "pomp and circumstance" offseason distractions. Hardly bulletin board material.
There will be potentially marginal benefit for Broncos' players giving them a clean slate from last year's embarrassments, but by week 5 this will be largely forgotten
For sure nothing will come of this other then Payton alienating many people in the coaching ranks. Which for him, where he is in his career, means nothing.
I did hear Allbright say yesterday that lot of people inside the Bronco's building were not at all happy with his comments. Which makes sense on multiple levels but no one is in position to do anything about it.
Almost every single person who knows Payton has said this was all intentional and again to that I'd say of course it was. It's still all a little surprising because we don't often hear coaches talk about other coaches like that. That fraternity is so close knit it's kind of annoying at times and why I enjoyed this talk from Payton, it's kind of refreshing to see one of them break ranks.
The Duff Man
Footballguy
Adds a huge level of hilarity if he crashes and burns in year one.
Stoneworker
Footballguy
Agreed.
The general take locally is that, while the ostensible intent to finally come out and support Wilson et al. publicly was solid (and even necessary), he went way too far by naming individuals (directly or indirectly).
And in fact he was even hypocritical by creating a distraction himself while commanding his players all offseason to avoid such things.
My guess is he's already gotten admonished by Penner, it'll come up in the next presser, he'll do some sort of backpedaling, and then it'll fade fairly soon once real football stories take over.
BroncoFreak_2K3
sucker for Orange
damn right
Pip's Invitation
Footballguy
He has eyes and saw what everyone who watched the Broncos last year saw. It's rare to see an offense that ineptly run at the NFL level. Most coaches are cautious with their words, but Payton is the kind of person who says what he thinks, and he thinks the same thing that anyone does who watched the Broncos offense last year.
Chaka
Footballguy
That's not kicking ***. It can easily be viewed as a guy who has lost his mental fastball and is starting to say every stupid and unnecessary thing that pops into his head.
If this was a calculated attack the only viable reasons are he felt Wilson needed to hear him say it or he thinks his team will suck in 2023 and is building his excuses for why it's not his fault.
It was a bush league move.
Stoneworker
Footballguy
This is a bit extreme. There was exactly zero in what Payton said that was fabricated or hyperbolic. It was simply unvarnished truth that was merely too unfiltered for some.
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Stoneworker
Footballguy
To my point earlier, Payton has already begun the backpedaling tour...
Today, Payton sounded a conciliatory note, saying that he respects Saleh and that he’d like to talk to him.
“I think the world of Robert. I know him. I don’t know Nathaniel. But at the right time. It certainly will bring more interest in the game when we play them, but that seems like years from now. But I’ll handle it the right way,” Payton said.
www.nbcsports.com
Today, Payton sounded a conciliatory note, saying that he respects Saleh and that he’d like to talk to him.
“I think the world of Robert. I know him. I don’t know Nathaniel. But at the right time. It certainly will bring more interest in the game when we play them, but that seems like years from now. But I’ll handle it the right way,” Payton said.
Sean Payton: I think the world of Robert Saleh, I'll reach out at the right time
Broncos head coach Sean Payton may be hoping to smooth things over after his harsh words for last year's Broncos coaching staff, and this year's Jets.
www.nbcsports.com
Stoneworker
Footballguy
More mea culpa..."I still had my Fox hat on...It was a mistake...I need a little bit more filter...I had one of those moments"
Payton Press Conference
Payton Press Conference
Deamon
Footballguy
yep, FULLLLLLL backpedal
Chaka
Footballguy
I am not disputing the veracity of his comments. I am questioning the need for making the comment at all.
It was a blindside attack with questionable logic, at best, behind it, if there was any logic at all and not just mindless ramblings.
