HC Sean Payton, DEN (1 Viewer)

[Chaka]

More mea culpa..."I still had my Fox hat on...It was a mistake...I need a little bit more filter...I had one of those moments"

Payton Press Conference

yep, FULLLLLLL backpedal

Trying to put the toothpaste back in the tube. Good luck with that.

Week 5 Jets @ Denver is now must see TV. Think the Jets have that one circled on their calendar?

 

[Stoneworker]

Think the Jets have that one circled on their calendar?

Highly doubtful.

The only Jets players who would have the slightest amount of extra motivation would be the ones who played for Hackett in Green Bay (Rodgers, Cobb, Turner). Doubtful most of the others even knew who he was until OTA's.

And throwing shade at an organizational level at the choice of going on Hard Knocks is hardly bulletin board material for players.

Plus the game is Denver, so no J-E-T-S home crowd to work into a lather even if it is even still newsworthy by then, which it won't be because Payton will have already reached out to both Saleh and Hackett.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Plus the game is Denver, so no J-E-T-S home crowd to work into a lather even if it is even still newsworthy by then, which it won't be because Payton will have already reached out to both Saleh and Hackett.

Plus Denver will probably already be too irrelevant to circle on a calendar by then.
Raiders, Commanders, Dolphins, Bears…I’m seeing a .500 team at best.

Count me among those who don’t believe Russ has any magic juice left in him to cook with.

 

[Joe Bryant]

I am not disputing the veracity of his comments. I am questioning the need for making the comment at all.

It was a blindside attack with questionable logic, at best, behind it, if there was any logic at all and not just mindless ramblings.

100%.

What he said wasn't untrue. Just seemed like a really unprofessional thing to say with zero upside.

 

[Chaka]

Think the Jets have that one circled on their calendar?

Highly doubtful.

The only Jets players who would have the slightest amount of extra motivation would be the ones who played for Hackett in Green Bay (Rodgers, Cobb, Turner). Doubtful most of the others even knew who he was until OTA's.

And throwing shade at an organizational level at the choice of going on Hard Knocks is hardly bulletin board material for players.

Plus the game is Denver, so no J-E-T-S home crowd to work into a lather even if it is even still newsworthy by then, which it won't be because Payton will have already reached out to both Saleh and Hackett.

Pretty sure if it's on Rodgers's bulletin board it's on the whole team's bulletin board.

 

[Stoneworker]

Think the Jets have that one circled on their calendar?

Highly doubtful.

The only Jets players who would have the slightest amount of extra motivation would be the ones who played for Hackett in Green Bay (Rodgers, Cobb, Turner). Doubtful most of the others even knew who he was until OTA's.

And throwing shade at an organizational level at the choice of going on Hard Knocks is hardly bulletin board material for players.

Plus the game is Denver, so no J-E-T-S home crowd to work into a lather even if it is even still newsworthy by then, which it won't be because Payton will have already reached out to both Saleh and Hackett.

Pretty sure if it's on Rodgers's bulletin board it's on the whole team's bulletin board.

Aaron Rodgers hasn't said a thing publicly about this. But you can go on believing it's a big deal.

 

[Joe Bryant]

Pretty sure if it's on Rodgers's bulletin board it's on the whole team's bulletin board.

This one is the perfect setup for classic Rodgers in the post-game.

You know they'll have massive motivation to roll it up on Denver if they possibly can.

Let's say they do trounce the Broncos and the Jets offense plays great.

I can see Rodgers at the post game presser smirking and drinking an Orange Crush saying, "I'm not going to say that was 'one of the best coaching jobs in the history of the NFL' but I'm not going to say it wasn't..."

And then, something like, "I get credit as the QB but 'There were at least 20 hands' in helping make this offense run".

 

[Stoneworker]

100%.

What he said wasn't untrue. Just seemed like a really unprofessional thing to say with zero upside.

Disagree. Plenty of Broncos upside if it helps Russell Wilson regain his confidence by getting a clean slate. That was the point of the whole thing.

I don’t know Hackett. A lot of people had dirt on their hands. It wasn’t just Russell. He didn’t just flip. He still has it. This B.S. that he hit a wall? Shoot, they couldn’t get a play in. They were 29th in the league in pre-snap penalties on both sides of the ball.”

 

[Joe Bryant]

Disagree. Plenty of Broncos upside if it helps Russell Wilson regain his confidence by getting a clean slate. That was the point of the whole thing.

That's cool. We'll definitely disagree there.

And if that were true, if Wilson's confidence is so shot it takes a brain cramp like that from Payton to help him, Denver's in all kinds of trouble. I tend to think Wilson will rebound. But that was a really boneheaded thing for Payton to say. As he acknowledged today.

 

[Stoneworker]

Disagree. Plenty of Broncos upside if it helps Russell Wilson regain his confidence by getting a clean slate. That was the point of the whole thing.

That's cool. We'll definitely disagree there.

And if that were true, if Wilson's confidence is so shot it takes a brain cramp like that from Payton to help him, Denver's in all kinds of trouble. I tend to think Wilson will rebound. But that was a really boneheaded thing for Payton to say. As he acknowledged today.

Cool with me too.

Payton has had two broad themes to his approach since taking over the Broncos: 1) erase the stench from Hackett's regime that permeated every inch of the locker room in order to effect a boot-camp like reboot for the players and 2) eliminate distractions to focus on work (hence the pomp and circumstance/Hard Knocks reference).

Obviously he erred in poor execution with his comments so that's on him.

But Wilson has showed up to camp focused and 15-20 lbs lighter, so early returns are that something about Payton's approach is working.

 

[Deamon]

Disagree. Plenty of Broncos upside if it helps Russell Wilson regain his confidence by getting a clean slate. That was the point of the whole thing.

That's cool. We'll definitely disagree there.

And if that were true, if Wilson's confidence is so shot it takes a brain cramp like that from Payton to help him, Denver's in all kinds of trouble. I tend to think Wilson will rebound. But that was a really boneheaded thing for Payton to say. As he acknowledged today.

Totally a dumb thing to say. I do, however, think it might give Russ confidence. But he could have just bashed the former coach in the locker room to his team.

 

[Joe Bryant]

Obviously he erred in poor execution with his comments so that's on him.

That's my main point and what I said above and it having zero upside.

On a more interesting note, Wilson is a fascinating case this year. I always defended the cornball cringe stuff. But last year was tough. I'm fascinated to see how it plays out.

 

[Stoneworker]

Obviously he erred in poor execution with his comments so that's on him.

That's my main point and what I said above and it having zero upside.

On a more interesting note, Wilson is a fascinating case this year. I always defended the cornball cringe stuff. But last year was tough. I'm fascinated to see how it plays out.

I think we're on the same page.

What I'm hearing is that the degree to which Payton went too far likely negated any otherwise constructive intent that a more filtered approach would have achieved. Yes. I'm definitely in agreement with that.

For example, IMO the filtered statement would have been constructive. But the mention of Hackett turned it into a tactless distraction.

“I don’t know Hackett. A lot of people had dirt on their hands. It wasn’t just Russell. He didn’t just flip. He still has it. This B.S. that he hit a wall? Shoot, they couldn’t get a play in. They were 29th in the league in pre-snap penalties on both sides of the ball.”

 

[Joe Bryant]

Obviously he erred in poor execution with his comments so that's on him.

That's my main point and what I said above and it having zero upside.

On a more interesting note, Wilson is a fascinating case this year. I always defended the cornball cringe stuff. But last year was tough. I'm fascinated to see how it plays out.

I think we're on the same page.

What I'm hearing is that the degree to which Payton went too far likely negated any otherwise constructive intent that a more filtered approach would have achieved. Yes. I'm definitely in agreement with that.

For example, IMO the filtered statement would have been constructive. But the mention of Hackett turned it into a tactless distraction.

“I don’t know Hackett. A lot of people had dirt on their hands. It wasn’t just Russell. He didn’t just flip. He still has it. This B.S. that he hit a wall? Shoot, they couldn’t get a play in. They were 29th in the league in pre-snap penalties on both sides of the ball.”

No, I think you were right above in we disagree. Zero upside in doing what he did.

I honestly was pretty shocked by it. One brain cramp doesn't define a person but he's not a guy I thought would do something like that.

He definitely succeeded in turning up the already high pressure on himself and the coaching staff. Will be interesting for sure.

 

[Stoneworker]

Obviously he erred in poor execution with his comments so that's on him.

That's my main point and what I said above and it having zero upside.

On a more interesting note, Wilson is a fascinating case this year. I always defended the cornball cringe stuff. But last year was tough. I'm fascinated to see how it plays out.

I think we're on the same page.

What I'm hearing is that the degree to which Payton went too far likely negated any otherwise constructive intent that a more filtered approach would have achieved. Yes. I'm definitely in agreement with that.

For example, IMO the filtered statement would have been constructive. But the mention of Hackett turned it into a tactless distraction.

“I don’t know Hackett. A lot of people had dirt on their hands. It wasn’t just Russell. He didn’t just flip. He still has it. This B.S. that he hit a wall? Shoot, they couldn’t get a play in. They were 29th in the league in pre-snap penalties on both sides of the ball.”

No, I think you were right above in we disagree. Zero upside in doing what he did.

I honestly was pretty shocked by it. One brain cramp doesn't define a person but he's not a guy I thought would do something like that.

He definitely succeeded in turning up the already high pressure on himself and the coaching staff. Will be interesting for sure.

No worries. You can have the last word. Carry on.

 

[Ray Barboni]

My thoughts?

I believe Sean is throwing out this aggressive persona - in order to distance himself from a failing Russ, and what’s probably going to be a bad team.

I feel like he sees it. And being dubbed the “savior coach” coming in to turn things around, he has nothing to loose by spouting off to the media right now.

If Russ performs? Well then he gets the accolades - if Russ blows? Well then Sean can easily point back to his “tough talk” this off-season. Of course it couldn’t possibly be his fault???? Right???

He’s Sean Malcom Payton.

 

[Joe Bryant]

Count me among those who don’t believe Russ has any magic juice left in him to cook with.

This question and then of course the question of "Can Payton be the guy that brings him back" is one of the more interesting storylines of the summer.

 

[Joe Bryant]

My thoughts?

I believe Sean is throwing out this aggressive persona - in order to distance himself from a failing Russ, and what’s probably going to be a bad team.

I feel like he sees it. And being dubbed the “savior coach” coming in to turn things around, he has nothing to loose by spouting off to the media right now.

If Russ performs? Well then he gets the accolades - if Russ blows? Well then Sean can easily point back to his “tough talk” this off-season. Of course it couldn’t possibly be his fault???? Right???

He’s Sean Malcom Payton.

Thanks Ray. But I think it puts all the pressure on him. He basically said Wilson is great and it was all the coaches fault last year.

If Wilson is great, it'll be Payton as the hero bringing Wilson back.

But if Wilson stays terrible, there will be tons of people that take Payton at his word and say clearly it's Payton and the coaching to blame.

Now he's got enough leverage and contract that he's not worried about a hot seat 10 games in.

I was mostly just surprised at the unforced error. By a guy who is not known for making unforced errors.

 

[Chaka]

Aaron Rodgers hasn't said a thing publicly about this. But you can go on believing it's a big deal.

Why would he say anything publicly?

If there is anything we know about the delicate genius that is Aaron Rodgers is he hears everything and remembers it all.

 

[Chaka]

I have a high degree of confidence in Payton's ability to maximize Wilson's talent.

Stupid, stupid comments aside the dude is still one of the top offensive minds in the game.

 

[Ray Barboni]

My thoughts?

I believe Sean is throwing out this aggressive persona - in order to distance himself from a failing Russ, and what’s probably going to be a bad team.

I feel like he sees it. And being dubbed the “savior coach” coming in to turn things around, he has nothing to loose by spouting off to the media right now.

If Russ performs? Well then he gets the accolades - if Russ blows? Well then Sean can easily point back to his “tough talk” this off-season. Of course it couldn’t possibly be his fault???? Right???

He’s Sean Malcom Payton.

Thanks Ray. But I think it puts all the pressure on him. He basically said Wilson is great and it was all the coaches fault last year.

If Wilson is great, it'll be Payton as the hero bringing Wilson back.

But if Wilson stays terrible, there will be tons of people that take Payton at his word and say clearly it's Payton and the coaching to blame.

Now he's got enough leverage and contract that he's not worried about a hot seat 10 games in.

I was mostly just surprised at the unforced error. By a guy who is not known for making unforced errors.

I disagree that it would fall on Payton if Russ continues to struggle - he was BAD last year, if he continues to be bad, then he’s just bad - no fault on Payton. Easily Chalk it up to “Russ being toast”.

Maybe it’s because Sean has been out of the league for a bit - but it’s surprising to hear him being so aggressive with his takes. Maybe the “booth” did him wrong?

Just feels like a coach that is being overly pompous ahead of time - that way if things don’t work, he can easily push blame everywhere else.

 

[Joe Bryant]

I think this is going to be a super fun edition of the age old question, "Is it the QB or the Coach"?

Bill Belichick without Tom Brady is an interesting situation.

Andy Reid and his effect on players is something.

Jared Goff with Jeff Fisher and Sean McVay is something.

Pete Carroll with Russell Wilson and then Geno Smith is something.

Should be fun with this one.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Count me among those who don’t believe Russ has any magic juice left in him to cook with.

This question and then of course the question of "Can Payton be the guy that brings him back" is one of the more interesting storylines of the summer.

I agree - but I also have long felt Payton was slightly overrated. When he’s had a HOF QB he’s been amazing.

And the whole bounty thing really left a bad taste. I’ve had a difficult time rooting for the guy since, so I’m kinda hoping the Broncos flame out.

It’s a tough division though, so I’ll definitely give both he & Russ their props if they manage to make the playoffs.

 

[Stoneworker]

What's actually most interesting about the Week 5 Jets-Broncos matchup is not at all related to Payton's comments, but the fact that two recently failed ex-Broncos head coaches will be going head-to-head on the field as DC/OC coordinators (Vance Joseph vs. N. Hackett).

 

[Chaka]

What's actually most interesting about the Week 5 Jets-Broncos matchup is not at all related to Payton's comments, but the fact that two recently failed ex-Broncos head coaches will be going head-to-head on the field as DC/OC coordinators (Vance Joseph vs. N. Hackett).

That sounds like a headline for sure.








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[rockaction]

Jets didn't have a choice whether or not to go on Hard Knocks. It was mandated by the league. By all accounts the Jets did NOT want to go on Hard Knocks.

So there's a faulty premise there.

What Payton said about the Jets? Big deal. Jets fans are waiting to see results, too. There are no PR passes here. Let's see if they can actually play. They've got a tough schedule. Let's see if they can even make the playoffs.

I wouldn't be mouthing off about other teams if I were Denver though.

That was ugly last year and they quit that game in L.A. Just flat out quit.

 

[Stoneworker]

What's actually most interesting about the Week 5 Jets-Broncos matchup is not at all related to Payton's comments, but the fact that two recently failed ex-Broncos head coaches will be going head-to-head on the field as DC/OC coordinators (Vance Joseph vs. N. Hackett).

That sounds like a headline for sure.








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[Cowboysfan8]

It was a bush league move

Agreed

 

[Chaka]

What's actually most interesting about the Week 5 Jets-Broncos matchup is not at all related to Payton's comments, but the fact that two recently failed ex-Broncos head coaches will be going head-to-head on the field as DC/OC coordinators (Vance Joseph vs. N. Hackett).

That sounds like a headline for sure.








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Perhaps only for those interested in the football game itself and not tabloid headlines.

I'm not here to change your mind.

Judging by the response from inside the football world it sems pretty clear to me which is the important storyline.

YMMV

 

[Stoneworker]

What's actually most interesting about the Week 5 Jets-Broncos matchup is not at all related to Payton's comments, but the fact that two recently failed ex-Broncos head coaches will be going head-to-head on the field as DC/OC coordinators (Vance Joseph vs. N. Hackett).

That sounds like a headline for sure.








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Perhaps only for those interested in the football game itself and not tabloid headlines.

I'm not here to change your mind.

Judging by the response from inside the football world it sems pretty clear to me which is the important storyline.

YMMV

It's a non-divisional midseason game. In Denver. Nearly three months from now.

You have blown this WAY out of proportion with the whole "important storyline" and laughable "Rodgers is a delicate genius who sees all and remembers all" angles.

Thankfully, MMMV

 

[massraider]

The coaching is a fraternity, everyone knows everyone there's like two degree of separation among all off them.

Of course all of mocked Hackett behind his back. But they would never do it public.

Payton showing who he is--again. Super happy he decided to tie himself to that albatross of a a QB contract.

 

[Chaka]

What's actually most interesting about the Week 5 Jets-Broncos matchup is not at all related to Payton's comments, but the fact that two recently failed ex-Broncos head coaches will be going head-to-head on the field as DC/OC coordinators (Vance Joseph vs. N. Hackett).

That sounds like a headline for sure.








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Perhaps only for those interested in the football game itself and not tabloid headlines.

I'm not here to change your mind.

Judging by the response from inside the football world it sems pretty clear to me which is the important storyline.

YMMV

It's a non-divisional midseason game. In Denver. Nearly three months from now.

You have blown this WAY out of proportion with the whole "important storyline" and laughable "Rodgers is a delicate genius who sees all and remembers all" angles.

Thankfully, MMMV

Am I really blowing it out of proportion? It's been the lead, above the fold, for two news cycles during training camp.

If it was a nothing story, no one would be talking about it. Including you.

This will die down, probably tomorrow, and will absolutely be pushed back to the front page after the week four games have been played.

 

[massraider]

What's actually most interesting about the Week 5 Jets-Broncos matchup is not at all related to Payton's comments, but the fact that two recently failed ex-Broncos head coaches will be going head-to-head on the field as DC/OC coordinators (Vance Joseph vs. N. Hackett).

That sounds like a headline for sure.








(below the fold)

Perhaps only for those interested in the football game itself and not tabloid headlines.

I'm not here to change your mind.

Judging by the response from inside the football world it sems pretty clear to me which is the important storyline.

YMMV

It's a non-divisional midseason game. In Denver. Nearly three months from now.

You have blown this WAY out of proportion with the whole "important storyline" and laughable "Rodgers is a delicate genius who sees all and remembers all" angles.

Thankfully, MMMV

Am I really blowing it out of proportion? It's been the lead, above the fold, for two news cycles during training camp.

If it was a nothing story, no one would be talking about it. Including you.

This will die down, probably tomorrow, and will absolutely be pushed back to the front page after the week four games have been played.

And also because it's a New York team. Bigger coverage.

 

[Mister CIA]

Joe is a working man.

 

[Stoneworker]

What's actually most interesting about the Week 5 Jets-Broncos matchup is not at all related to Payton's comments, but the fact that two recently failed ex-Broncos head coaches will be going head-to-head on the field as DC/OC coordinators (Vance Joseph vs. N. Hackett).

That sounds like a headline for sure.








(below the fold)

Perhaps only for those interested in the football game itself and not tabloid headlines.

I'm not here to change your mind.

Judging by the response from inside the football world it sems pretty clear to me which is the important storyline.

YMMV

It's a non-divisional midseason game. In Denver. Nearly three months from now.

You have blown this WAY out of proportion with the whole "important storyline" and laughable "Rodgers is a delicate genius who sees all and remembers all" angles.

Thankfully, MMMV

Am I really blowing it out of proportion? It's been the lead, above the fold, for two news cycles during training camp.

If it was a nothing story, no one would be talking about it. Including you.

This will die down, probably tomorrow, and will absolutely be pushed back to the front page after the week four games have been played.

I'm personally talking about it alot primarily because of the back-and-forth of differing opinions, not the magnitude of the story.

And IMO the fact that it's the beginning of training camp is exactly why it's gotten so much airtime since nothing else is going on of note.

I definitely agree with you that the week of the game the media will try to resuscitate the whole thing as a storyline.

But Payton never spoke directly or indirectly about any Jets players, so that is why I'm so adamant it will be a nothing-burger from their perspective (outside Cobb and Turner).

But it's cool if we disagree. IMO today's backpedaling from Payton kind of defused it significantly.

 

[LawFitz]

Payton is either completely lost or a calculated emeffer trying to simultaneously vouch for and light a fire under his albatross QB. I'm thinking the latter.

For sure, I am upgrading both Jets and Broncos predrafts on this turn. You go, Suga Sean.

 

[LawFitz]

More mea culpa..."I still had my Fox hat on...It was a mistake...I need a little bit more filter...I had one of those moments"

Payton Press Conference

4D chess. Or maybe just an idiot.

I hate the Broncos. Perhaps more than any team in the league. Maybe. But I respect Sean Payton and think he is trolling to a master's degree.

 

[Chaka]

You were saying?

 

[Stoneworker]

Why would he say anything publicly?

If there is anything we know about the delicate genius that is Aaron Rodgers is he hears everything and remembers it all.

You were saying?

 

[Chaka]

Why would he say anything publicly?

If there is anything we know about the delicate genius that is Aaron Rodgers is he hears everything and remembers it all.

You were saying?

I was wrong?

Y'know, it didn't hurt to say that.

 

[Stoneworker]

Why would he say anything publicly?

If there is anything we know about the delicate genius that is Aaron Rodgers is he hears everything and remembers it all.

You were saying?

I was wrong?

Y'know, it didn't hurt to say that.

I was wrong about it not turning into a bigger deal than it should be. Is that what you're looking for me to say.?

But now by going public with his own equally classless personal attack, Rodgers has simultaneously escalated and lost any moral high ground his side may have had. He should have just said nothing and used that energy for a competitive advantage, but instead gave the Broncos their own bulletin board material. So now it's game on.

And regardless of how much Rodgers attempts to defend Hackett, he's never going to convince anyone that what Payton said wasn't 100% true.

 

[Chaka]

Why would he say anything publicly?

If there is anything we know about the delicate genius that is Aaron Rodgers is he hears everything and remembers it all.

You were saying?

I was wrong?

Y'know, it didn't hurt to say that.

I was wrong about it not turning into a bigger deal than it should be. Is that what you're looking for me to say.?

But now by going public with his own equally classless personal attack, Rodgers has simultaneously escalated and lost any moral high ground his side may have had. He should have just said nothing and used that energy for a competitive advantage, but instead gave the Broncos their own bulletin board material. So now it's game on.

And regardless of how much Rodgers attempts to defend Hackett, he's never going to convince anyone that what Payton said wasn't 100% true.

Hand to God, I wasn't looking for you to say anything. I didn't @ you for a reason. It's not about you and me.

But this is absolutely a bigger deal than many people are trying to make it out to be. Payton crossed a line and he realized it too late.

Grand scheme: it means very little, but in 2023 it means quite a bit for these two franchises.

 

[Stoneworker]

Why would he say anything publicly?

If there is anything we know about the delicate genius that is Aaron Rodgers is he hears everything and remembers it all.

You were saying?

I was wrong?

Y'know, it didn't hurt to say that.

I was wrong about it not turning into a bigger deal than it should be. Is that what you're looking for me to say.?

But now by going public with his own equally classless personal attack, Rodgers has simultaneously escalated and lost any moral high ground his side may have had. He should have just said nothing and used that energy for a competitive advantage, but instead gave the Broncos their own bulletin board material. So now it's game on.

And regardless of how much Rodgers attempts to defend Hackett, he's never going to convince anyone that what Payton said wasn't 100% true.

Hand to God, I wasn't looking for you to say anything. I didn't @ you for a reason. It's not about you and me.

But this is absolutely a bigger deal than many people are trying to make it out to be. Payton crossed a line and he realized it too late.

Grand scheme: it means very little, but in 2023 it means quite a bit for these two franchises.

No worries, GB. My bad for misinterpreting the "you" was directed my way (since AR going public was part of our dialogue).

Agree with your comments.

Payton definitely shoulders most blame for breaking the code, but I personally underestimated Rodgers' adolescent ego not being able to resist taking his own cheap shot (even after Payton's acts of contrition).

 

[Deamon]

Damn I can't wait for week 5 now

 

[Faust]

Jets QB Aaron Rodgers: Sean Payton's comments on Nathaniel Hackett-era Broncos 'way out of line'

 

[Stoneworker]

Sigh. The media had their fun and now back to football.

“As expected, Sean Payton asked about Aaron Rodgers comments … ‘No. We’re past it.'”

When pressed, "No. It’s Over!"

 

[massraider]

Sean Payton listed some things he doesn’t want to see in Friday’s preseason opener, including players wearing “Gilligan hats” on sidelines when done playing.

 

[Stoneworker]

Sean Payton listed some things he doesn’t want to see in Friday’s preseason opener, including players wearing “Gilligan hats” on sidelines when done playing.

Hmmm...I wonder why

 

[rockaction]

Gilligan hats. Oh, God. I owned one of those in college. It was a crushable, white bucket hat.

What a loo-zar.

 

[rockaction]

Hmmm...I wonder why

Oh my ****ing God. LOL.