Helu, Carter, Powell, etc; (1 Viewer)

[Cato]

If you believe this then you paid no attention to the history lesson that was the heart of the thread.

I think the OPost was stating that to many long shot RB's are going way to high in rookie draft's and with the exception of Helu, he is probably right.. It's nice to hit on that lottery ticket draft pick, just dont use the first round to hit it when you might get the same player later in rd 2.

Can someone list 12 guys that aren't "long shots" that people should draft ahead of Carter and Helu?

Over Helu, probably not, over Carter, i can come up with 20.

That's not what I asked though. Some guys in this thread are acting like taking a WR or QB at the end of round one guarantees them success. I would say Carter and Helu have as good a shot at success as Hankerson, Cobb, or even Baldwin.

I think you make a good point, the success rate of lower round RBs, is not very high. That said, if we consider the reward for a RB to be the greatest, some dynasty GMs, like to invest in higher risk/higher reward stocks. To your point they are less likely to hit. For the sake of discussion, let's sayLower round RBs have a 10% chance of hitting with a reward of ... let's say 100 VBD for giggles.WR/QBs, have a 30% chance with a reward of... let's say 75 VBD for giggles.Is it unwise to play the lower chance stocks? Yeah, probably. But the smart market players can profit from this, take the dropping players at lower ADPs. Also I don't think one can blame the high risk stock players, for when they hit, they hit. (Michael Turner, Terrell Davis.)I think the best built dynasty team portfolio is medium risk, not a great pile of medium risk stocks, but rather a solid base core of low risk players to which one adds high risk players occasionally. The sum average of the team is medium risk, but the potential for high reward is what keeps people playing the high risk picks. I don't think one can blame the low risk stock investors, or the high risk stock investors, for the directions they take. Though, I think you're 100% right in highlighting it for discussion, neither approach is wrong though. Also I recognize your OP, **ONLY** refers to 4-5th round RBs, but the elephant in the room are Foster and Hillis who frankly have lower draft positions then that. We're all trying to catch lightning in a bottle sometimes, and as long as we're not doing it all the time, our roster risk level will probably balance out long term.

 

[barker132000]

One thing we need to remember ..... this isnt the same NFL we have been drafting for. Teams have finally realized that they dont need a high pick for a good running back. I think you are going to see more and more teams finding their backfield in rounds 3 through 7. Not to mention nearly every team uses a tandem now.....so now you have more rbs than ever putting up decent fantasy numbers. So naturally we all want to take our shots at securing another james starks...even though he has done very little...green bay thinks he fits their offense enough to be productive. Just like miami drafted daniel thomas to move the chains in their running based offense.....just like indy taking delone carter to run goal line and short yardage and clock killing situations...he fits. Helu probably gonna be the one cut and go guy shannahan wants. 1st round picks are too high a price for a rb these days when commitee is the word. Take your shots....i think helu, carter and powell are gonna get some carries....and thats what we are looking for.

 

[Athletic Supporter]

One thing we need to remember ..... this isnt the same NFL we have been drafting for. Teams have finally realized that they dont need a high pick for a good running back. I think you are going to see more and more teams finding their backfield in rounds 3 through 7. Not to mention nearly every team uses a tandem now.....so now you have more rbs than ever putting up decent fantasy numbers. So naturally we all want to take our shots at securing another james starks...even though he has done very little...green bay thinks he fits their offense enough to be productive. Just like miami drafted daniel thomas to move the chains in their running based offense.....just like indy taking delone carter to run goal line and short yardage and clock killing situations...he fits. Helu probably gonna be the one cut and go guy shannahan wants. 1st round picks are too high a price for a rb these days when commitee is the word. Take your shots....i think helu, carter and powell are gonna get some carries....and thats what we are looking for.

Well said

 

[Clifford]

Wow 2008 was a crazy good class for RBs

McFadden

F. Jones

Stewart

Chris Johnson

Mendenhall

Ray Rice

Jamaal Charles

Tashard Choice

Ryan Torain

Tim Hightower

Peyton Hillis

That's 5 guys that are first round fantasy picks, and the rest have been productive and shown they can hang if they're not injured.

 

[Go deep]

Wow 2008 was a crazy good class for RBsMcFaddenF. JonesStewartChris JohnsonMendenhallRay RiceJamaal CharlesTashard ChoiceRyan TorainTim HightowerPeyton HillisThat's 5 guys that are first round fantasy picks, and the rest have been productive and shown they can hang if they're not injured.

Matt Forte and Steve Slaton before the neck injury.

 

[Clifford]

That has to be close to the best RB class of all time.

 

[loose circuits]

Looks like Carter and Helu were decent values in rookie drafts, no? cam is really only rookie in that range that has outperformed them at this point (never thought he would be able to come on this fast). maybe Cobb flashing in game 1. However, Hankerson, Smith, Baldwin, Brown, etc... have not even really gotten on the field?

 

[Crazy Tony]

In our rookie draft for dynasty league. I chose Greg Little #6, passing on Cam Newton...then taking D.Murray #9. Two weeks in a row now I'm regretting not taking CAM because I didn't want to 'wait' for him to develop into a starter. I'm glad it's taken him soooo long.

Ingram...nothing yet.

Dthomas...sorta paid off week 2

Williams out

Murray nothing yet

Carter not a ton yet

Same with Vereen and a few others.

Someone will likely show up soon just not sure who.

 

[EBF]

I don't know, but two weeks definitely isn't enough time to draw meaningful conclusions. What do we know about players like Titus Young, Jon Baldwin, Randall Cobb, and Greg Little? Basically nothing. It will be 2-3 years before we can look back at this class and judge the merits of players like Powell, Helu, and Carter with any accuracy.

 

[loose circuits]

I don't know, but two weeks definitely isn't enough time to draw meaningful conclusions. What do we know about players like Titus Young, Jon Baldwin, Randall Cobb, and Greg Little? Basically nothing. It will be 2-3 years before we can look back at this class and judge the merits of players like Powell, Helu, and Carter with any accuracy.

While I agree that is best to evaluate players over a long haul for real NFL purposes. For dynasty value where trades are made every day, I strongly disagree. When you are drafting players, there value today has everything to do with whether or not they were good picks. A guy like Baldwin is not paying dividends because you could buy at likely a lower price than what he cost in May/June. Possibly Little as well, but he has shown enough flashes where you have to be patient. These guys just haven't had the impact many thought they would when they bought. Your premise is like the stock broker who says, well we are down to 75% of what you bought at and tries to convince the stock owner that he still gave him good advice because it's a 'long term' investment. Would you be able to get Baldwin and more for Helu or Carter today? Obviously Leshoure and Williams both had other things that dropped their value, but it sure seems like the guys who drafted Carter or Helu late in the 1st are better off then guys who picked people who haven't had their opportunity. The value of these players can change, but for now the early returns go against the OP's premise. He got 2 of 3 wrong when you consider Powell is the only one who has decreased in value since rookie drafts while Carter has stayed the same because he's getting a shot and Helu looked really good on Sunday. Had I (or any other poster) listened to his advice and despite leaning towards Helu or Carter taken Baldwin, Hankerson, Smith, Vereen, etc... because they weren't 4th round draft picks then my team would be worse off. Will time give us a different story? possibly, but for now this thread looks like a big waste of everyone's time and not a lot learned when the OP kept saying he was teaching us all a lesson that we should all be thankful for????

 

[EBF]

Player values constantly ebb and flow.

Roddy White has had a much better career than Cadillac Williams, but Cadillac had considerably more trade value and production during their rookie seasons. So who would have been a better pick at 1.01 in a 2005 rookie draft: Roddy or Cadillac?

You can say that the best course of action would have been to draft Cadillac and then trade him for Roddy + extra value after his rookie season, but no one really knew at the time that Cadillac would fade into obscurity and Roddy would become a star. Chances are if you were a Caddy owner in 2005 and someone offered you Roddy + a future first for him after his rookie season, you would've turned it down without much hesitation.

In a hypothetical world where you can predict the future and make the according trades, it would've been best to take Cadillac at 1.01, but in the real world (with the benefit of hindsight) it would've been best to take Roddy because he's the much better player and the more valuable commodity.

It's pretty silly to look back on rookie drafts after two weeks of a player's career and try to say whether you were "right" or "wrong" about him. The reality is that it ebbs and flows depending on your frame of reference. I'm sure all the people who drafted Darren McFadden 1.01 in their rookie drafts felt like crap in 2009 when he looked like a bust while Rice, Mendenhall, and Johnson were starring. I bet those people feel a lot better about that pick today.

I don't think there's really any sense in talking about who were the "right" and "wrong" picks in the most recent rookie crop until we really get a chance to see these guys play over an extended time period. I don't think owners of players like Gabbert and Baldwin will be kicking themselves about missing out on the likes of Helu and Powell until we really see what the former duo can do. For all we know Gabbert and Baldwin will be Pro Bowlers in 2015.

That might be unlikely, but the broader point stands. Using a short term evaluation system can be problematic in dynasty leagues, where a long term outlook is sometimes more accurate. I think it's natural for people to judge players based on a "what have you done for me lately" outlook, but in dynasty I think the more important question is "what will you do for me in the future?" Players like Jon Baldwin, Andrew Luck, and CJ Spiller score high in this metric and should be valued accordingly, even if they're useless right now.

 

[loose circuits]

Player values constantly ebb and flow.Roddy White has had a much better career than Cadillac Williams, but Cadillac had considerably more trade value and production during their rookie seasons. So who would have been a better pick at 1.01 in a 2005 rookie draft: Roddy or Cadillac? You can say that the best course of action would have been to draft Cadillac and then trade him for Roddy + extra value after his rookie season, but no one really knew at the time that Cadillac would fade into obscurity and Roddy would become a star. Chances are if you were a Caddy owner in 2005 and someone offered you Roddy + a future first for him after his rookie season, you would've turned it down without much hesitation. In a hypothetical world where you can predict the future and make the according trades, it would've been best to take Cadillac at 1.01, but in the real world (with the benefit of hindsight) it would've been best to take Roddy because he's the much better player and the more valuable commodity. It's pretty silly to look back on rookie drafts after two weeks of a player's career and try to say whether you were "right" or "wrong" about him. The reality is that it ebbs and flows depending on your frame of reference. I'm sure all the people who drafted Darren McFadden 1.01 in their rookie drafts felt like crap in 2009 when he looked like a bust while Rice, Mendenhall, and Johnson were starring. I bet those people feel a lot better about that pick today. I don't think there's really any sense in talking about who were the "right" and "wrong" picks in the most recent rookie crop until we really get a chance to see these guys play over an extended time period. I don't think owners of players like Gabbert and Baldwin will be kicking themselves about missing out on the likes of Helu and Powell until we really see what the former duo can do. For all we know Gabbert and Baldwin will be Pro Bowlers in 2015. That might be unlikely, but the broader point stands. Using a short term evaluation system can be problematic in dynasty leagues, where a long term outlook is sometimes more accurate. I think it's natural for people to judge players based on a "what have you done for me lately" outlook, but in dynasty I think the more important question is "what will you do for me in the future?" Players like Jon Baldwin, Andrew Luck, and CJ Spiller score high in this metric and should be valued accordingly, even if they're useless right now.

you are assuming those guys end up on the same team for the long haul. That doesn't always happen especially in the leagues I play where teams are constantly trading. those McFadden owners that sold for peanuts I'm sure are even more frustrated when he broke out. Same goes for Roddy White. Likewise, I'm sure there were Caddy owners who made out like a bandit. guess it's just a difference in philosophy, but I love trading and think it's the funnest thing about fantasy football and drafting guys whose value decreases in year 1 doesn't help anything.I guess it's just a difference in philosophy, but I rarely draft a player and keep him for the long haul. In fact, there isn't 1 player on any of my leagues that have been around for a while that I selected in rookie drafts and have had longer than 2-3 years

 

[EBF]

Yep. Lots of people are like that. I've seen countless teams achieve success by treating their players like trading chips. I can see how people with that philosophy would have no interest in buying someone with the intention of holding him.

I can't speak for anyone else, but that's not how I run my teams. When I make a rookie pick, I'm not necessarily looking to get the player whose value will increase the most in year one. I'm just looking for the best long term player. I don't mind sitting on a player for years if I think he'll pay dividends. For me, taking a guy like Spiller or Baldwin over a Helu/Powell is a no-brainer.

Arguing that Powell > Baldwin doesn't really resonate with me because I'm not the type to judge my rookie picks after two weeks unless they're just really exceptional. Cam Newton is really the only rookie I drafted in any leagues whose value has changed considerably for me since April. Most of these rooks are just finding their footing. That's not the best time to grade them, IMO.

 

[Multiple Scores]

Just picked up Cam Newton at pick 20. Helu went late in this draft at 12, carter at 14, Hunter at 15.

I am not a fan of Cam at all yet if were talking lottery tickets I think his upside is far beyond the 3 rbs I mentioned. What are the odds the #1 overall NFL draft pick has success.

1.01 1. Carolina Panthers Ingram, Mark NOS RB ® Sun May 8 12:56:21 p.m. ET 2011 52.80 1.02 2. New York Jets Green, A.J. CIN WR ® Sun May 8 6:19:17 p.m. ET 2011 83.20

1.03 3. San Francisco 49ers Jones, Julio ATL WR ® Sun May 8 8:38:20 p.m. ET 2011 36.60

1.04 4. New York Giants Williams, Ryan ARI RB ® Sun May 8 9:45:37 p.m. ET 2011 -

1.05 5. Kansas City Chiefs Thomas, Daniel MIA RB ® Mon May 9 9:41:12 a.m. ET 2011 40.10

1.06 6. San Francisco 49ers Leshoure, Mikel DET RB ® Mon May 9 12:44:35 p.m. ET 2011 -

1.07 7. Dallas Cowboys Vereen, Shane NEP RB ® Wed May 11 10:41:06 a.m. ET 2011 0.50

1.08 8. Oakland Raiders Little, Greg CLE WR ® Wed May 11 12:17:24 p.m. ET 2011 25.40

1.09 9. Philadelphia Eagles Brown, Vincent SDC WR ® Wed May 11 12:17:25 p.m. ET 2011 3.60 Pick made based on Pre-Draft List

1.10 10. Miami Dolphins Cobb, Randall GBP WR ® Wed May 11 8:58:10 p.m. ET 2011 41.57

1.11 11. San Francisco 49ers Baldwin, Jon KCC WR ® Thu May 12 2:49:49 a.m. ET 2011 15.60

1.12 12. Pittsburgh Steelers Helu, Roy WAS RB ® Thu May 12 2:49:50 a.m. ET 2011 23.30 Pick made based on Pre-Draft List

2.01 13. Carolina Panthers Gabbert, Blaine JAC QB ® Thu May 12 2:49:50 a.m. ET 2011 57.48 Pick made based on Pre-Draft List

2.02 14. New York Jets Carter, Delone IND RB ® Thu May 12 9:16:23 a.m. ET 2011 41.80

2.03 15. Kansas City Chiefs Hunter, Kendall SFO RB ® Thu May 12 10:30:44 a.m. ET 2011 34.63

2.04 16. New York Giants Murray, DeMarco DAL RB ® Thu May 12 9:04:00 p.m. ET 2011 48.80 Too good to pass up.

2.05 17. Kansas City Chiefs Hankerson, Leonard WAS WR ® Thu May 12 9:34:15 p.m. ET 2011 2.30

2.06 18. Pittsburgh Steelers Smith, Torrey BAL WR ® Thu May 12 9:34:16 p.m. ET 2011 52.60 Pick made based on Pre-Draft List

2.07 19. Dallas Cowboys Miller, Von DEN LB ® Thu May 12 10:35:04 p.m. ET 2011 47.50

2.08 20. San Francisco 49ers Newton, Cam CAR QB ® Thu May 12 10:48:58 p.m. ET 2011 216.32 Thanks for taking those RBS and leaving me this guy. NYG took the one RB recently I was considering

2.09 21. Philadelphia Eagles Rodgers, Jacquizz ATL RB ® Thu May 12 10:49:37 p.m. ET 2011 16.30

2.10 22. Miami Dolphins Young, Titus DET WR ® Fri May 13 12:49:55 a.m. ET 2011 33.50

2.11 23. Kansas City Chiefs Salas, Greg STL WR ® Fri May 13 9:09:17 a.m. ET 2011 21.75

2.12 24. Pittsburgh Steelers Gates, Clyde MIA WR ® Fri May 13 9:09:18 a.m. ET 2011 13.89 Pick made based on Pre-Draft List

3.01 25. Carolina Panthers Powell, Bilal NYJ RB ® Fri May 13 9:09:18 a.m. ET 2011 - Pick made based on Pre-Draft List

3.02 26. New York Jets Locker, Jake TEN QB ® Fri May 13 9:27:42 a.m. ET 2011 0.48

3.03 27. San Francisco 49ers Kaepernick, Colin SFO QB ® Fri May 13 9:27:43 a.m. ET 2011 1.20 Pick made based on Pre-Draft List

3.04 28. New York Giants Dalton, Andy CIN QB ® Fri May 13 11:29:26 p.m. ET 2011 108.36

Pretty happy with how my dynasty draft turned out, and glad I practice what I preach.

 

[Multiple Scores]

That has to be close to the best RB class of all time.

 

[loose circuits]

not sure what you are trying to prove by posting that draft other than you are lucky Hankerson didn't fall to you. Seems like anyone following an ADP chart would have drafted the same thing...

 

[Multiple Scores]

Murrays name has never came out of my mouth. I have insisted on 4-5th round rbs. Baldwin, Torrey smith, Cobb, cam, locker, gabbert should go ahead of hunter, helu, Carter, Powell. HTH,

disappointed in the weak response from the OP, there are outliers in statistics. Just the way it is when dealing with human judgement.

I laid out the history of 4th/5th round RBS. That is just the facts. Marion Barber is the only RB taken in Round 1 of Rookie Drafts in the past TEN YEARS who was taken in the 4th/5th round of NFL drafts that had more than slight success. If this doesn't sound like sound advice to avoid that trap it's your choice. I will continue to take the QBS/WRS drafted in the first 2 rounds of NFL drafts over RBS taken in the 4th/5th rounds of NFL drafts. I just hope that there always remain members in my leagues who reach on 97% bust rate RBS in round 1 of my drafts.

A few things: you still never responded with who is being "over drafted" and who you would take ahead of them. All i've heard is maybe cam newton, but you don't really like him? Are you saying all 6 QB's 1st & 2nd round QB's should be drafted ahead of Helu, Carter, Powell, Murray, Hunter, etc...I disagree with your assumption that these 4th rounder are like those 4th rounders. If fantasy football has taught me anything it is that the unlikely can happen. Especially in a year where there was so much variance among different RB rankings. Pigeon holing a player because of draft position is ridiculous. Only need to look at QB's who have gone 1st overall to compare. Is Peyton Manning like Jamarcus & Alex Smith? Is there anything similar about them other than being drafted at the same time? Saying 9% of RB's succeed or whatever it is past history. It does not mean that is what is going to happen in the future. There are just too many other factors & variables to be able to conclude anything with any type of certainty. The 1st and most important being an opportunity to get on the field- tough to do anything with no reps in practice or games

So glad I kept Murray out of this.

 

[Multiple Scores]

not sure what you are trying to prove by posting that draft other than you are lucky Hankerson didn't fall to you. Seems like anyone following an ADP chart would have drafted the same thing...

Reading through this thread I notice you got 100% owned. How is Helu, Carter, Powell working out for you? I know Cam, Baldwin and even Murray are working out well for me. For you to keep commenting is embarrassing if you read through the old posts.

 

[loose circuits]

not sure what you are trying to prove by posting that draft other than you are lucky Hankerson didn't fall to you. Seems like anyone following an ADP chart would have drafted the same thing...

Reading through this thread I notice you got 100% owned. How is Helu, Carter, Powell working out for you? I know Cam, Baldwin and even Murray are working out well for me. For you to keep commenting is embarrassing if you read through the old posts.

actually Helu and Carter both look like they have significant potential. I never once argued for those guys over Baldwin, in fact I clearly state in post 105 that nobody in their right mind would take one of these RB's over Baldwin. Also in post 109, clearly state that Powell was in a much lower tier.Are you deflecting the question I asked. Wouldn't someone specifically drafting from an ADP sheet have drafted the same way you did?

 

[loose circuits]

Murrays name has never came out of my mouth. I have insisted on 4-5th round rbs. Baldwin, Torrey smith, Cobb, cam, locker, gabbert should go ahead of hunter, helu, Carter, Powell. HTH,

disappointed in the weak response from the OP, there are outliers in statistics. Just the way it is when dealing with human judgement.

I laid out the history of 4th/5th round RBS. That is just the facts. Marion Barber is the only RB taken in Round 1 of Rookie Drafts in the past TEN YEARS who was taken in the 4th/5th round of NFL drafts that had more than slight success. If this doesn't sound like sound advice to avoid that trap it's your choice. I will continue to take the QBS/WRS drafted in the first 2 rounds of NFL drafts over RBS taken in the 4th/5th rounds of NFL drafts. I just hope that there always remain members in my leagues who reach on 97% bust rate RBS in round 1 of my drafts.

A few things: you still never responded with who is being "over drafted" and who you would take ahead of them. All i've heard is maybe cam newton, but you don't really like him? Are you saying all 6 QB's 1st & 2nd round QB's should be drafted ahead of Helu, Carter, Powell, Murray, Hunter, etc...I disagree with your assumption that these 4th rounder are like those 4th rounders. If fantasy football has taught me anything it is that the unlikely can happen. Especially in a year where there was so much variance among different RB rankings. Pigeon holing a player because of draft position is ridiculous. Only need to look at QB's who have gone 1st overall to compare. Is Peyton Manning like Jamarcus & Alex Smith? Is there anything similar about them other than being drafted at the same time? Saying 9% of RB's succeed or whatever it is past history. It does not mean that is what is going to happen in the future. There are just too many other factors & variables to be able to conclude anything with any type of certainty. The 1st and most important being an opportunity to get on the field- tough to do anything with no reps in practice or games

So glad I kept Murray out of this.

Locker and Gabbert have looked great

 

[loose circuits]

Just saw your edit. My only criteria I am speaking for is 4th/5th rounders. You won't catch me shying away from Williams,leshore,vareen in drafts, those are the type of players I want on my teams.

For the record, i never said that all the RB's would outperform all the QB's, nor do i recommend taking any RB you can get over any of the QB's. Just thyat a lottery ticket on a RB is worth more than a lottery ticket on a QB.

I would rather have a QB if that lottery ticket had a 50% chance of hitting over a 3% chance of hitting.

You think the QB's have a 50% chance of hitting? Also, i thought the RB's chance was 9%, what happened to the other 6%?

ETA, also, i was refering to all RB's after the top 4( not just the 4th and 5th rounders) in the sentence you quoted me on.

if we are gonna play this silly game, how did that work out for those guys?

 

[loose circuits]

Last post. I will bump this after the 2011, 2012 and 2013 seasons.

i thought you were gonna wait till after the season?

 

[duaneok66]

Just picked up Cam Newton at pick 20. Helu went late in this draft at 12, carter at 14, Hunter at 15.

I am not a fan of Cam at all yet if were talking lottery tickets I think his upside is far beyond the 3 rbs I mentioned. What are the odds the #1 overall NFL draft pick has success.

1.01 1. Carolina Panthers Ingram, Mark NOS RB ® Sun May 8 12:56:21 p.m. ET 2011 52.80 1.02 2. New York Jets Green, A.J. CIN WR ® Sun May 8 6:19:17 p.m. ET 2011 83.20

1.03 3. San Francisco 49ers Jones, Julio ATL WR ® Sun May 8 8:38:20 p.m. ET 2011 36.60

1.04 4. New York Giants Williams, Ryan ARI RB ® Sun May 8 9:45:37 p.m. ET 2011 -

1.05 5. Kansas City Chiefs Thomas, Daniel MIA RB ® Mon May 9 9:41:12 a.m. ET 2011 40.10

1.06 6. San Francisco 49ers Leshoure, Mikel DET RB ® Mon May 9 12:44:35 p.m. ET 2011 -

1.07 7. Dallas Cowboys Vereen, Shane NEP RB ® Wed May 11 10:41:06 a.m. ET 2011 0.50

1.08 8. Oakland Raiders Little, Greg CLE WR ® Wed May 11 12:17:24 p.m. ET 2011 25.40

1.09 9. Philadelphia Eagles Brown, Vincent SDC WR ® Wed May 11 12:17:25 p.m. ET 2011 3.60 Pick made based on Pre-Draft List

1.10 10. Miami Dolphins Cobb, Randall GBP WR ® Wed May 11 8:58:10 p.m. ET 2011 41.57

1.11 11. San Francisco 49ers Baldwin, Jon KCC WR ® Thu May 12 2:49:49 a.m. ET 2011 15.60

1.12 12. Pittsburgh Steelers Helu, Roy WAS RB ® Thu May 12 2:49:50 a.m. ET 2011 23.30 Pick made based on Pre-Draft List

2.01 13. Carolina Panthers Gabbert, Blaine JAC QB ® Thu May 12 2:49:50 a.m. ET 2011 57.48 Pick made based on Pre-Draft List

2.02 14. New York Jets Carter, Delone IND RB ® Thu May 12 9:16:23 a.m. ET 2011 41.80

2.03 15. Kansas City Chiefs Hunter, Kendall SFO RB ® Thu May 12 10:30:44 a.m. ET 2011 34.63

2.04 16. New York Giants Murray, DeMarco DAL RB ® Thu May 12 9:04:00 p.m. ET 2011 48.80 Too good to pass up.

2.05 17. Kansas City Chiefs Hankerson, Leonard WAS WR ® Thu May 12 9:34:15 p.m. ET 2011 2.30

2.06 18. Pittsburgh Steelers Smith, Torrey BAL WR ® Thu May 12 9:34:16 p.m. ET 2011 52.60 Pick made based on Pre-Draft List

2.07 19. Dallas Cowboys Miller, Von DEN LB ® Thu May 12 10:35:04 p.m. ET 2011 47.50

2.08 20. San Francisco 49ers Newton, Cam CAR QB ® Thu May 12 10:48:58 p.m. ET 2011 216.32 Thanks for taking those RBS and leaving me this guy. NYG took the one RB recently I was considering

2.09 21. Philadelphia Eagles Rodgers, Jacquizz ATL RB ® Thu May 12 10:49:37 p.m. ET 2011 16.30

2.10 22. Miami Dolphins Young, Titus DET WR ® Fri May 13 12:49:55 a.m. ET 2011 33.50

2.11 23. Kansas City Chiefs Salas, Greg STL WR ® Fri May 13 9:09:17 a.m. ET 2011 21.75

2.12 24. Pittsburgh Steelers Gates, Clyde MIA WR ® Fri May 13 9:09:18 a.m. ET 2011 13.89 Pick made based on Pre-Draft List

3.01 25. Carolina Panthers Powell, Bilal NYJ RB ® Fri May 13 9:09:18 a.m. ET 2011 - Pick made based on Pre-Draft List

3.02 26. New York Jets Locker, Jake TEN QB ® Fri May 13 9:27:42 a.m. ET 2011 0.48

3.03 27. San Francisco 49ers Kaepernick, Colin SFO QB ® Fri May 13 9:27:43 a.m. ET 2011 1.20 Pick made based on Pre-Draft List

3.04 28. New York Giants Dalton, Andy CIN QB ® Fri May 13 11:29:26 p.m. ET 2011 108.36

Pretty happy with how my dynasty draft turned out, and glad I practice what I preach.

no one cares.

 

[Touchdown There]

Helu looking good.

 

[Dr. Awesome]

Helu looking good.

Agreed.

 

[Concept Coop]

This thread is silly. It is all about format. Roy Helu is worth a heck of a lot in my RB heavy league (MOX). For reference, I would gladly trade a guy like Brandon Marshall for him. In other leagues, it would take a couple Helus+ for Marshall.

 

[Concept Coop]

1.03 3. San Francisco 49ers Jones, Julio ATL WR ® Sun May 8 8:38:20 p.m. ET 2011 36.60

1.06 6. San Francisco 49ers Leshoure, Mikel DET RB ® Mon May 9 12:44:35 p.m. ET 2011 -

1.11 11. San Francisco 49ers Baldwin, Jon KCC WR ® Thu May 12 2:49:49 a.m. ET 2011 15.60

2.08 20. San Francisco 49ers Newton, Cam CAR QB ® Thu May 12 10:48:58 p.m. ET 2011 216.32 Thanks for taking those RBS and leaving me this guy. NYG took the one RB recently I was considering

3.03 27. San Francisco 49ers Kaepernick, Colin SFO QB ® Fri May 13 9:27:43 a.m. ET 2011 1.20 Pick made based on Pre-

The only picks that fit your criteria are Newton and Baldwin.

Baldwin has potential, but nothing to prove your point. You would have been much better off taking Helu or Murray, epsecially in this format. It would take multiple Baldwins to match the value of Murray (good thing you left him out of this).

Cam was great value at that point, and you got lucky. He should have been drafted much higher, and was in most drafts.