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Houston Texans sign DE Mario Williams (1 Viewer)
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kaso
Footballguy
Wow.
Go out for a nice dinner with my girlfriend and come back to find that everything that I have read over the last couple of days to be useless now. Why didn't Houston call me to let me know this was going on?
This could turn out to kick off a whole lot of trades tomorrow.... I CANNOT wait to see what happens!!
Go out for a nice dinner with my girlfriend and come back to find that everything that I have read over the last couple of days to be useless now. Why didn't Houston call me to let me know this was going on?
This could turn out to kick off a whole lot of trades tomorrow.... I CANNOT wait to see what happens!!
Sidewinder
Footballguy
Short by 200+ on value (early third round pick). Who the heck knows if the value chart holds in a situation like this though...
Texasmouth
Footballguy
Wow, thank you captain obvious Mort. No crap the titans would take him, as would any other team except the Texans. No way he makes it past 2. The Saints dont really want the guy. The Jets will have Bush, and who better to teach him how to be a pro than Curtis Martin one of the best pros in the league.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
I think the Texans are overreacting to information that will blow over in the next two months.
Unless Bush has more going on (negatively) than we know about.
Unless Bush has more going on (negatively) than we know about.
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cstu
Footballguy
Honestly, I think the Titans still take Leinart. I would be close but they need a QB much more than RB.Wow, thank you captain obvious Mort. No crap the titans would take him, as would any other team except the Texans. No way he makes it past 2. The Saints dont really want the guy. The Jets will have Bush, and who better to teach him how to be a pro than Curtis Martin one of the best pros in the league.
myhousekey
Footballguy
1.04 & 1.29 = 2440SF 2 picks = 2380
Saints #2 pick = 2600
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Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Texasmouth
Footballguy
Yeah, I agree. This just made the decision tougher for them. Think what you want about Vince Young, the coaching staff likes Lienart but the guy who writes the checks likes Young...Honestly, I think the Titans still take Leinart. I would be close but they need a QB much more than RB.Wow, thank you captain obvious Mort. No crap the titans would take him, as would any other team except the Texans. No way he makes it past 2. The Saints dont really want the guy. The Jets will have Bush, and who better to teach him how to be a pro than Curtis Martin one of the best pros in the league.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Only if they don't bring back McNair.
Those who say that taking Williams over Bush makes sense are idiots. I value defense just as much as offense, but Reggie Bush is all-world and Mario Williams just has a lot of potential--Reggie White my ###. Another thing, if the Jets can't get Bush in a trade, they would be crazy to pass on Leinart if available. First, I don't think Vince Young will be that good for all the reasons Merill Hoge has stated. Second, the notion that Leinart's arm is not strong enough and so he should drop out of the top ten is crazy. Leinart has enough arm strength and he knows how to win. He also is very polished and accurate. I am not saying that he is going to be a Hall-of-Famer, but I do think he will be extremely good. How many times have so-called experts favored a guy with arm-strength over an accurate qb and been totally wrong (Ryan Leaf, Kyle Boller, Patrick Ramsay). As long as a qb has a threshold level of arm strength (not a wimp like Danny Wuerfel or post-injury Chad Pennington), he will be fine if accurate (Steve Young). Don't overthink. It gets GMs in trouble.
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Texasmouth
Footballguy
Especially if they bring back McNair. He is still a great mentor and that way the rookie wont be forced into playing but can step in if McNair gets hurt. McNair is the equivalent to a 97 year old man with all the abuse his body has taken.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Now that I've had time to digest this, I say this with all certainty:
The Texans have doomed themselves to history.
It won't be long before this is at the top of "Worst moves in sports history" lists.
Wonder why Casserly is being given his walking papers after this draft.
The Texans have doomed themselves to history.
It won't be long before this is at the top of "Worst moves in sports history" lists.
Wonder why Casserly is being given his walking papers after this draft.
Texasmouth
Footballguy
Better or worst than selecting David Carr as the #1 overall pick.Now that I've had time to digest this, I say this with all certainty:
The Texans have doomed themselves to history.
It won't be long before this is at the top of "Worst moves in sports history" lists.
Wonder why Casserly is being given his walking papers after this draft.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Much worse.Better or worst than selecting David Carr as the #1 overall pick.Now that I've had time to digest this, I say this with all certainty:
The Texans have doomed themselves to history.
It won't be long before this is at the top of "Worst moves in sports history" lists.
Wonder why Casserly is being given his walking papers after this draft.
Houston turmOiler
Footballguy
msommer
Footballguy
For those who pointed out that the Jets play Houston on November 26th - please remember that the Titans play Houston twice - every year!
That aside, I don't see Bush falling to the Titans - unless there are some skeletons in the closet we do not know about - some serious nasty hairy ones - and if there are he could keep falling.
That aside, I don't see Bush falling to the Titans - unless there are some skeletons in the closet we do not know about - some serious nasty hairy ones - and if there are he could keep falling.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
To paraphrase a mid-20th century dictator:
"Is Houston burning?"
"Is Houston burning?"
Aaronstory
Footballguy
Funny. I find myself in agreement with you on almost every point you make.But on this, you are 100% incorrect. This is the first excellent move of Casserly's tenure in Houston.Much worse.Better or worst than selecting David Carr as the #1 overall pick.Now that I've had time to digest this, I say this with all certainty:
The Texans have doomed themselves to history.
It won't be long before this is at the top of "Worst moves in sports history" lists.
Wonder why Casserly is being given his walking papers after this draft.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Don't get me wrong, I think Mario will be a good player.I also really liked the Kubiak hiring.
If you look at the situation, Mario is a better fit.Facts are, GMs were split on who the #1 player was.
If Bush was 8.0, Mario was 7.9. Texans needed D more.
They picked Mario.
Bush wanted 30 mil guaranteed? Gotta be kidding me. 25% higher then what a QB got last year at #1? Bush's agent was reading too much ESPN. Reports are that the Texans offered Bush LESS then Mario. Clearly the Texans were trying to hype up Bush in order to trade down. It failed, so they took the guy they had on the radar the whole time. Mario.
Texans made the best football move. Not the best for the fans or the media.
Chase Stuart
Footballguy
I'm only up to page 10 of 18, but no one's really harped on this yet.
I generally don't like to bash GMs for not maximizing value, but how could Houston NOT trade down?
It seems very likely that they could have received the 29th picks, a fourth round pick, and the 4th pick from the Jets. It then seems pretty likely that Mario Williams would have been available to them at four, at a SIGNIFICANTLY reduced price. Probably could knock off $10M on the contract, pick up a first and a fourth, and lose nothing.
Even if Williams wouldn't last to four, that means Ferguson would be there. The Texans just granted the Saints a HUGE windfall. Stunning that they wouldn't maximize value here and trade that 1st pick.
It's akin to in your '06 fantasy draft taking Clinton Portis with the first pick. No reason not to trade down to 3 or 4 and get a huge bonus.
I generally don't like to bash GMs for not maximizing value, but how could Houston NOT trade down?
It seems very likely that they could have received the 29th picks, a fourth round pick, and the 4th pick from the Jets. It then seems pretty likely that Mario Williams would have been available to them at four, at a SIGNIFICANTLY reduced price. Probably could knock off $10M on the contract, pick up a first and a fourth, and lose nothing.
Even if Williams wouldn't last to four, that means Ferguson would be there. The Texans just granted the Saints a HUGE windfall. Stunning that they wouldn't maximize value here and trade that 1st pick.
It's akin to in your '06 fantasy draft taking Clinton Portis with the first pick. No reason not to trade down to 3 or 4 and get a huge bonus.
myhousekey
Footballguy
This is where I think opinions differ.
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
ESPN's Merrill Hoge is reporting that Bush is still a probable 1st day pick.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Houston turmOiler
Footballguy
God I miss the Oilers.....
never thought I'd say that.....
never thought I'd say that.....
Texasmouth
Footballguy
Someone needs to report on how Hodge has a job. The guy sucks. He is a horrible analyst and he says the dumbest things. Vince Young and Matt Lienart are second round picks at best.....this guy is an idiot.
Pat Patriot
Footballguy
Interesting contract, 6 years and $54 million. Alex Smith got 6 years and $45 million. Is a 25% bump year over year for the #1 pick right? People keep saying that the negotiations and what Bush wanted played a factor in Houston taking Williams. It doesnt look to me like they got him cheap at all.
diesel7982
Footballguy
McNair coming back to play for TEN has about as much chance as Jim Brown coming back to play for the Browns.Oh, and the Titans would pass on Leinart or Young in a heartbeat for Bush.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
I know. I'm just sayin'. If you get Bush, you may be inclined to keep McNair since you didn't get one of the Big 3.
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Texasmouth
Footballguy
They can be in the hunt all they want, doesn't mean anything. I think the Jets put together a better package for Bush, they need him more in my opinion and where better for Bush to be than New York?That being said, I agree that the Titans may in fact land Bush and if they do, it would be a helluvan incintive for McNair to renegotiate and give it another shot.....Ahhh, the voice of sanity! Thank you. Titans are absolutely POSITIVELY in the hunt for Bush...*Kool-Aid Guy Voice* "Oooohhh Yeaaaa!"
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